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    Question What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Some time ago, Dr. Bill Deagle posted global population forecast which shows the US at a fraction of its current population. It seemed to have disappeared but showed up at allnewspipeline just recently. (See link below)

    http://allnewspipeline.com/images/Sc...-31_154926.jpg



    Does anyone know where these numbers came from? Any theories?

    Thank you, norski
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Quote Posted by norski (here)

    Does anyone know where these numbers came from? Any theories?
    Yes, they came from here (a forecast for 2025)

    http://deagel.com/country/forecast.a...udget&ord=DESC

    Note that this is http://deagel.com — NOT Bill Deagle!
    (I edited the thread title, assuming that was okay)

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

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    Quote Posted by norski (here)

    Does anyone know where these numbers came from? Any theories?
    Yes, they came from here (a forecast for 2025)

    http://deagel.com/country/forecast.a...udget&ord=DESC

    Note that this is http://deagel.com — NOT Bill Deagle!
    (I edited the thread title, assuming that was okay)
    Here's the background to that forecast, as they see things... N

    There have been many questions about the countries forecast specially the one focusing on the United States of America (USA). They won't be answered one by one but below you can find some explanation, thoughts and reflections. We are going to keep this as short as possible.

    The majority of the economic and demographic data used in the making of the forecasts is widely available by institutions such as the CIA, IMF, UN, USG, etc. You can see the most relevant data at every single country's page. There is a tiny part of data coming from a variety of shadow sources such as Internet gurus, unsigned reports and others. But all these sources are from the internet and are of public domain for at least a minority. For example, several years ago Dagong, the Chinese ratings agency, published a report analyzing the physical economy of the States comparing it with those of China, Germany and Japan. The conclusion was that the US GDP was something between $5 to $10 trillion instead of $15 trillion as officially reported by the USG. We assume that the official data, especially economic, released by governments is fake, cooked or distorted in some degree. Historically it is well known that the former Soviet Union was making up fake statistics years before its collapse. Western as well as other countries are making up their numbers today to conceal their real state of affairs. We are sure that many people out there can find government statistics in their own countries that by their own personal experience are hard to believe or are so optimistic that may belong to a different country.

    Despite the numeric data "quantity" there is a "quality" model which has not a direct translation into numeric data. The 2014 strain of Ebola has a death rate of 50-60% but try to imagine what would happen if there is a pandemic of Ebola with hundreds of thousands or millions infected with the virus. So far the few cases of Ebola-infected people have "enjoyed" intensive healthcare with anti-viral and breathing assistance but above all with abundant human support by Physicians and nurses. In a pandemic scenario that kind of healthcare won't be available for the overwhelming number of infected leading to a dramatic increase of the death rate due to the lack of proper healthcare. The "quality" factor is that the death rate could increase to 80-90% in a pandemic scenario from the stated 50-60% rate. The figure itself is not important what is relevant is the fact that the scenario can evolve beyond the initial conditions from a 50% death toll to more than 90%. By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

    The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!!

    We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

    The Demographic crisis in the former Soviet Union countries has extended for over two decades, if we accept that it ended early in this decade (2010s). The demographic crisis will hit the World in the near future and is projected to last between three and eight decades more or less depending on technological breakthrough and environmental issues. The aftermath is more likely a frozen picture with the population numbers staying the same for a very, very long period of time. The countries forecast population numbers do reflect birth/deaths but also migratory movements. Many countries are going to increase their gross population due to immigration while their native population may shrink.

    Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.

    Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God's word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.

    Sunday, October 26th, 2014

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Goodness, poor old Blighty, check out page two, it goes from 63,740,000 to 22,570,600, thats a lot to lose.. 41,169,400 to be precise.. in ten years.. N

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    Goodness, poor old Blighty, check out page two, it goes from 63,740,000 to 22,570,600, thats a lot to lose.. 41,169,400 to be precise.. in ten years.. N
    Going through the pages and assigning each country a place on an imaginary game of risk in my mind, I see several obvious trends, according to these so called projections or predictions..

    It looks like countries currently supported by the current five eyes world economy shrinking somewhat in population, but not hugely, the big losers, or the ones losing a third to half of their populations or more are the US, Canada, Japan, Australia, UK, Central and Eastern Europe gets hit to the same degree as does the middle east.

    China and India saw to great heights, although Russia loses quite a lot in the conflict, it survives and is also a contender on the supposed future world stage. Africa for the most part is unaffected, as is most of South America and Asia...

    And so goes the game of risk that is proposed by this web site. It would be so much easier to understand all these numbers as a graphic, a before and after graphic...

    Anyway, I hope this brief dissection helps you visualize the numbers... N

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    just come across this, how true will this be to current scamdemic?
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Deagal's forcast is based on the opinion that between now and 2025 we will witness the collapse of the western financial system in a big way which will lead to: the devaluation of the US dollars, Euro and Pound, mass migration from the 1st world to the 3rd world, mass suicides, the degradation of the health system, rioting and violence!

    So scamdemic or not, they are pretty convinced this is gonna happen anyway! It is a scary forcast ... something that is frankly overdue since 2008.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    https://www.deagel.com/forecast
    Check this forecast for 179 countries in the year 2025, I have no idea how it was forecasted and I don't know if it could be related with a 2020 October surprise. First thing I noticed was a drastic reduction of population in the US.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Quote Posted by onesoul (here)
    https://www.deagel.com/forecast
    Check this forecast for 179 countries in the year 2025, I have no idea how it was forecasted and I don't know if it could be related with a 2020 October surprise. First thing I noticed was a drastic reduction of population in the US.
    Interesting, they are showing a 70% drop in population for the US by 2025! That's some serious depopulation right there!! There are similar drops for countries worldwide.

    This is the 'Disclaimer' from the website which explains the rational behind the predictions..

    Quote "In 2014 we published a disclaimer about the forecast. In six years the scenario has changed dramatically. This new disclaimer is meant to single out the situation from 2020 onwards. Taking about the United States and the European Union as separated entities no longer makes sense. Both are the Western block, keep printing money and will share the same fate.

    After COVID we can draw two major conclusions:

    The Western world success model has been built over societies with no resilience that can barely withstand any hardship, even a low intensity one. It was assumed but we got the full confirmation beyond any doubt.
    The COVID crisis will be used to extend the life of this dying economic system through the so called Great Reset.
    The Great Reset; like the climate change, extinction rebellion, planetary crisis, green revolution, shale oil (…) hoaxes promoted by the system; is another attempt to slow down dramatically the consumption of natural resources and therefore extend the lifetime of the current system. It can be effective for awhile but finally won’t address the bottom-line problem and will only delay the inevitable. The core ruling elites hope to stay in power which is in effect the only thing that really worries them.

    The collapse of the Western financial system - and ultimately the Western civilization - has been the major driver in the forecast along with a confluence of crisis with a devastating outcome. As COVID has proven Western societies embracing multiculturalism and extreme liberalism are unable to deal with any real hardship. The Spanish flu one century ago represented the death of 40-50 million people. Today the world’s population is four times greater with air travel in full swing which is by definition a super spreader. The death casualties in today’s World would represent 160 to 200 million in relative terms but more likely 300-400 million taking into consideration the air travel factor that did not exist one century ago. So far, COVID death toll is roughly 1 million people. It is quite likely that the economic crisis due to the lockdowns will cause more deaths than the virus worldwide.

    The Soviet system was less able to deliver goodies to the people than the Western one. Nevertheless Soviet society was more compact and resilient under an authoritarian regime. That in mind, the collapse of the Soviet system wiped out 10 percent of the population. The stark reality of diverse and multicultural Western societies is that a collapse will have a toll of 50 to 80 percent depending on several factors but in general terms the most diverse, multicultural, indebted and wealthy (highest standard of living) will suffer the highest toll. The only glue that keeps united such aberrant collage from falling apart is overconsumption with heavy doses of bottomless degeneracy disguised as virtue. Nevertheless the widespread censorship, hate laws and contradictory signals mean that even that glue is not working any more. Not everybody has to die migration can also play a positive role in this.

    The formerly known as second and third world nations are an unknown at this point. Their fate will depend upon the decisions they take in the future. Western powers are not going to take over them as they did in the past because these countries won’t be able to control their own cities far less likely countries that are far away. If they remain tied to the former World Order they will go down along Western powers but won’t experience the brutal decline of the late because they are poorer and not diverse enough but rather quite homogenous used to deal with some sort of hardship but not precisely the one that is coming. If they switch to China they can get a chance to stabilize but will depend upon the management of their resources.

    We expected this situation to unfold and actually is unfolding right now with the November election triggering a major bomb if Trump is re-elected. If Biden is elected there will very bad consequences as well. There is a lot of bad blood in the Western societies and the protests, demonstrations, rioting and looting are only the first symptoms of what is coming. However a new trend is taking place overshadowing this one.

    The situation between the three great powers has changed dramatically. The only relevant achievement of the Western powers during the past decade has been the formation of a strategic alliance, both military and economic, between Russia and China. Right now the potential partnership between Russia and the European Union (EU) is dead with Russia turning definitively towards China. That was from the beginning the most likely outcome. Airbus never tried to establish a real partnership but rather a strategy to fade away the Russian aerospace industry. Actually Russia and China have formed a new alliance to build a long haul airliner. Western Europe (not to mention the United States) was never interested in the development of Russia or forming anything other than a master slave relationship with Russia providing raw materials and toeing the line of the West. It was clear then and today is a fact.

    Russia has been preparing for a major war since 2008 and China has been increasing her military capabilities for the last 20 years. Today China is not a second tier power compared with the United States. Both in military and economic terms China is at the same level and in some specific areas are far ahead. In the domain of high-tech 5G has been a success in the commercial realm but the Type 055 destroyer is also another breakthrough with the US gaining a similar capability (DDG 51 Flight IIII) by mid of this decade (more likely by 2030). Nanchang, the lead ship of the Type 055 class, was commissioned amid the pandemic and lockdown in China.

    Six years ago the likelihood of a major war was tiny. Since then it has grown steadily and dramatically and today is by far the most likely major event in the 2020s. The ultimate conflict can come from two ways. A conventional conflict involving at least two major powers that escalates into an open nuclear war. A second scenario is possible in the 2025-2030 timeframe. A Russian sneak first strike against the United States and its allies with the new S-500, strategic missile defenses, Yasen-M submarines, INF Zircon and Kalibr missiles and some new space asset playing the key role. The sneak first strike would involve all Russian missile strategic forces branches (bombers and ground-based missiles) at the different stages of such attack that would be strategic translation of what was seen in Syria in November 2015. There was no report that the Russian had such a capability of launching a high precision, multiple, combined arms attack at targets 2,000+ kilometers away. Western intelligence had no clue. The irony is that since the end of the Cold War the United States has been maneuvering through NATO to achieve a position to execute a first strike over Russia and now it seems that the first strike may occur but the country finished would be the United States.

    Another particularity of the Western system is that its individuals have been brainwashed to the point that the majority accept their moral high ground and technological edge as a given. This has given the rise of the supremacy of the emotional arguments over the rational ones which are ignored or deprecated. That mindset can play a key role in the upcoming catastrophic events. At least in the Soviet system the silent majority of the people were aware of the fallacies they were fed up. We can see the United States claims about G5 being stolen from them by China or hypersonic technology being stolen by Russia as the evidence that the Western elites are also infected by that hubris. Over the next decade it will become obvious that the West is falling behind the Russia-China block and the malaise might grow into desperation. Going to war might seem a quick and easy solution to restore the lost hegemony to finally find them into a France 1940 moment. Back then France did not have nuclear weapons to turn a defeat into a victory. The West might try that swap because the unpleasant prospect of not being Mars and Venus but rather a bully and his dirty bitch running away in fear while the rest of the world is laughing at them.

    If there is not a dramatic change of course the world is going to witness the first nuclear war. The Western block collapse may come before, during or after the war. It does not matter. A nuclear war is a game with billions of casualties and the collapse plays in the hundreds of millions.

    This website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a game of numbers whether flawed or correct based upon some speculative assumptions."
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    There was a different website prediction posted on Avalon some time ago --similar figures -- seemingly used by the UK Army.
    Chris

    Ps It may have been the same website but this is an update.
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    The drastic population reduction can only be explained by natural events such as tsunamis set off by meteorite impacts. I have listed the countries in order of severity of population reduction. From the table you might be able to guess where the meteorites hit.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

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    The drastic population reduction can only be explained by natural events such as tsunamis set off by meteorite impacts. I have listed the countries in order of severity of population reduction.
    Thank you for this work. From here the US and the UK lose over 70% of their populations. China loses 2% and India gains 5%. In my opinion this could not occur by a process, but would require an event such as the tsunamis that you speculate.

    I'm not sure about all the medium countries like Australia, Italy, Canada, etc. They are in the 25-40% range and a totally diverse area.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

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    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    The drastic population reduction can only be explained by natural events such as tsunamis set off by meteorite impacts. I have listed the countries in order of severity of population reduction.
    Thank you for this work. From here the US and the UK lose over 70% of their populations. China loses 2% and India gains 5%. In my opinion this could not occur by a process, but would require an event such as the tsunamis that you speculate.

    I'm not sure about all the medium countries like Australia, Italy, Canada, etc. They are in the 25-40% range and a totally diverse area.
    The "medium areas" with a loss of some 10-30% are very bad already. Some of their major coastal cities would get a direct hit of meters high tsunamis in my conception. I remember about two years ago farsight had their next monthly news. Then Dick Agire described a disastrous situation of Sydney in which people were mass evacuating toward the higher western areas in muddy terrain. Maybe he saw far.
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

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    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    The drastic population reduction can only be explained by natural events such as tsunamis set off by meteorite impacts. I have listed the countries in order of severity of population reduction.
    Thank you for this work. From here the US and the UK lose over 70% of their populations. China loses 2% and India gains 5%. In my opinion this could not occur by a process, but would require an event such as the tsunamis that you speculate.

    I'm not sure about all the medium countries like Australia, Italy, Canada, etc. They are in the 25-40% range and a totally diverse area.
    The "medium areas" with a loss of some 10-30% are very bad already. Some of their major coastal cities would get a direct hit of meters high tsunamis in my conception. I remember about two years ago farsight had their next monthly news. Then Dick Agire described a disastrous situation of Sydney in which people were mass evacuating toward the higher western areas in muddy terrain. Maybe he saw far.

    I am a member of Dick Allgire's platform (the same platform the insider is on) and there are many RV data as to earth changes, asteroids, pole shift etc.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Quote Posted by Elainie (here)
    [...]

    I am a member of Dick Allgire's platform (the same platform the insider is on) and there are many RV data as to earth changes, asteroids, pole shift etc.
    There seems to be a "Minority Report" situation here, with the use of the looking glass or the Orion Cube (or something like that, like the Montauk chair) and the continuous manufacturing of events (false flags) to keep manifesting a particular time line:
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

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    Quote Posted by Elainie (here)
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    I am a member of Dick Allgire's platform (the same platform the insider is on) and there are many RV data as to earth changes, asteroids, pole shift etc.
    There seems to be a "Minority Report" situation here, with the use of the looking glass or the Orion Cube (or something like that, like the Montauk chair) and the continuous manufacturing of events (false flags) to keep manifesting a particular time line:
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    Randy Maugens who interviewed Kim early on thinks perhaps holographic inserts to fulfill prophecies..........Yes some of the data is showing it to be man made.

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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    If we look at the top six most inflicted countries, there seems to be some sort of karma going on. Historically in the last few centuries, without the exception of Luxemburg, they are the nations that inflicted the greatest sufferings on other nations and races. Japan seems to be left out (most westerners cannot comprehend what Japan did). However, if Edgar Cayce's prediction was correct, Japan would even disappear from the map of the world. Maybe after 2025. This seems to me to enhance the probability of the forecast and that it is meticulously prepared.
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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    I've just noticed that the page https://www.deagel.com/forecast has been removed. But it can be found here on archive.org. This (1 April 2021) is one of the last times it was archived, but there may be a few captures that are slightly more recent.
    There was a page published on beforeitsnews.com on 12 March 2021:
    ...stating that Dr Edwin Deagle (sic) himself died on 16 Feb 2021, and had worked for the Rockefeller Foundation, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the US Department of Defense.



    They cited his formal obituary here:
    ... which again, spells his name 'Deagle'. (That's evidently correct.) And there's quite a lot there about his most recent forecast, which predicts some dramatic falls in population in many countries by 2025.

    And here's a good article with a lot more information:
    And here are two YouTube videos, one short and one long, all about the forecasts (and in the second one, also the man).



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    Default Re: What do you think of Deagel.com's forecast for the future US population?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I've just noticed that the page https://www.deagel.com/forecast has been removed. But it can be found here on archive.org. This (1 April 2021) is one of the last times it was archived, but there may be a few captures that are slightly more recent.
    There was a page published on beforeitsnews.com on 12 March 2021:
    ...stating that Dr Edwin Deagle (sic) himself died on 16 Feb 2021, and had worked for the Rockefeller Foundation, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the US Department of Defense.



    They cited his formal obituary here:
    ... which again, spells his name 'Deagle'. (That's evidently correct.) And there's quite a lot there about his most recent forecast, which predicts some dramatic falls in population in many countries by 2025.

    And here's a good article with a lot more information:
    And here are two YouTube videos, one short and one long, all about the forecasts (and in the second one, also the man).



    Also removed from Webarchive? ... ? Seems not there at any date ...

    EDIT: Found it ... took some digging though ..
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