Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

[felixq78]

It's a figment of its own imagination. It thinks that it is "the self" but it is no more than layers of experience day by day piled up on top of itself. Like yesterday's newspapers sitting in a pile, the daily record of experience isn't what we are it's merely what we've done.
It doesn't really exist but it will go to all lengths to prove that it does, even to the point of destroying the physical body. The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".
I think I read something like this in "A Course In Miracles" and it stuck with me.
Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

[greybeard]

Posted by felixq78 (here)
It's a figment of its own imagination. It thinks that it is "the self" but it is no more than layers of experience day by day piled up on top of itself. Like yesterday's newspapers sitting in a pile, the daily record of experience isn't what we are it's merely what we've done.
It doesn't really exist but it will go to all lengths to prove that it does, even to the point of destroying the physical body. The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".
I think I read something like this in "A Course In Miracles" and it stuck with me.
Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

Very astute felix
Thanks for your contribution.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Thinking is a journey of ideas about the self until the self rememebers itSelf; Mastery is the journey of the unknown to the known.

The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".

Yet in that insanity the ego's thought system is convincing and follows an apparently coherent string of logic. Its major premise is the reality of the body and the body's eventual demise: materiality and death.
It is what happens when that which is everything pines for something more...

[greybeard]

Everything happens for a reason there are no accidents, the whole history of the universe brings what it will into this moment, into this happening.
It is a vanity to think we can change any thing or anyone, particularly event that have already happened.
It is as it is-- we can learn from it -- change it no.

Its a vanity to think we can change anyone by anything other than example, kind words, encouragement and very rarely tough love..

C

Ps thanks Ernie your posts promote much positive thought within me.
C

[Shadowland]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

[greybeard]

Posted by Shadowland (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

Thinking is detrimental to competence is a fact.

There is the working mind and the emotional mind.
The working mind is extremely competent. the emotional mind is a distraction to that competence.

One can be focusing totally on the job in hand in the present moment--- THEN-- the emotional mind puts pay value/agenda into the situation.
Self talk --- this is a very difficult job and its essential it gets done correctly, your promotion/hapiness/well being depends on the result.
Thats looking to the future -- unconscious to the moment-- awareness of the task is lost.

Self talk part two-- remember the last time you did this, you screwed up, it was a disaster-- you got reprimanded for your incompetence- the boss was on your case!!!!

So do you think you are unaffected by this emotional voice in the head ? (its ego)

Of course you are, you got pulled from the moment into future and past. You lost it!!!! You became unconscious to the moment.

The ego requires past and future to survive.

When you are fully focused in the NOW are very alive and getting the most out of the moment--- not distracted.

Chris

PS the working mind has no need to speak--- it just does what it does with brilliance,.

[greybeard]

“What the ego cannot lift with all its might is like a feather to the Grace of God.” (Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, p. 56) David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

“Straight and narrow is the path … waste no time.” David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

[Shadowland]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Shadowland (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

Thinking is detrimental to competence is a fact.

There is the working mind and the emotional mind.
The working mind is extremely competent. the emotional mind is a distraction to that competence.
.......

Hm?
Certainly emotions such as anger, rage, jealousy, guilt, etc. are distractions to the working mind, however, the notion of the working mind devoid of emotion as extremely competent raises warning bells.

Firstly, emotions such as fear may remain unexpressed and slither in the crevices of memory distorting thoughts which are then presented to the working mind without a hint of their toxic distortion. An example would be say; a thought of defending something as a brilliant prudent strategy. However, defense presupposes attack and attack is based on fear.

On the other hand, when the working mind is coupled with heart centered emotions; gratitude, compassion, forgiveness, humility, etc., the mind becomes inspired rather than just competent. I suggest that only by harnessing the ego with this combination can the ego take its rightful place in steering humans in this 3D reality.

There is now substantial scientific research claiming that the heart is the real center of intelligence, sending signals to the brain in advance of thought. It has been demonstrated that when a person is frustrated, the heart send distorted signals to the brain. Whereas the heartwave of accomplished meditating monks is smooth and results in a sense of peace and harmony.

After the working mind reaches a decision, a practical application of this concept is to specifically check in on how we 'feel' about the decision. If we feel at peace then it will be a wise decision.

[sirac]

Posted by felixq78 (here)
Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

this is very true, every evil sprang from the muddle of consciousnesses active until now.(i just put an extender on that, unintentional, but then i move with the felicity of a snake)

but it is also true that an organ of religion was used to suppress the masses by getting them to self-critique their ego.....(catholocism & the poverty conscious it maintains in 3rd world countries is a notorious example)

It is also true as the man above in post, above mine,
comes to the phase decisions that if we have more logic then naturally we won't bring harmful influences within thee driving mechanisms known as the ego

[jimbojp]

I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim.

[sirac]

Posted by jimbojp (here)
I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim.

see underlined
i'd say {*} this is encompassed therewithin, cause....
*the phase consciousness i describe
cause .. at the moment what we observe is that the phase consciousnesses are trying to break forth (, or something along this line)
there is some form of seeking integration.
this line is cross intersected by what Inelia suggests of consciousnesses agreeing to change the game.

what was it,...the soul
Nietzsche discussed soul within the context of Zarathustra, describing phase characteristics (know to that he Freud counted N. as a teacher),
in a much deeper work -i forget where
he discusses soul as a thin membrane stretched,
a reactor of sorts perhaps,..one never knows were N. analytical method was bound to touch.

so this soul is what i posit as 'ego taken care of'

[jimbojp]

Sirac,

"*the phase consciousness i describe
cause .. at the moment what we observe is that the phase consciousnesses are trying to break forth (, or something along this line)
there is some form of seeking integration.
this line is cross intersected by what Inelia suggests of consciousnesses agreeing to change the game."


Are you saying that at this point in time there is an urgent need to change the timeline, if so I'd agree completely.
Do you think that we are trying to remember something, what is it?

Thanks,
jim

[greybeard]

Posted by jimbojp (here)
I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim.

All the problems of world are caused by an inflated ego.
The ego is acquisitional
Enough is not enough
More land, more women, more power, more wealth. more control.
So there lies the problem
The ego was necessary as a seperation device, it helped us to tell the diference from edible and in edible, what led to pleasure what led to pain.
Trouble was it became very judgmental willful and greedy hence the fall of consciousness in The Garden of Eden
The fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Eventually we are so dependent on the Ego that we imagined that we are separated from God.
So thats just a story but it illustrates where the ego took us.

The Buddha is of the same consciousness as us but ours is "diluted, watered down" by the belief that we are separate from God and everything else.
If we follow of the teachings of any enlightened sage then we get closer and closer to the LIGHT which burns of the ego and leaves us free of the bondage of ignorance,
Then we no longer reincarnate on earth--- karma is also burned of in the process.

The source of the ego is God but it is but the "me" thought which we identify with.
We are also thoughts of God "WE ARE GOD."
You could say Maya and illusion are both products of the ego.

There is nothing outside of us-- in that we are interlinked, joined with and affected energetically, with the most distant star.

Hope this helps Jim

Regards Chris

[jimbojp]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by jimbojp (here)
I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim.

All the problems of world are caused by an inflated ego.
The ego is acquisitional
Enough is not enough
More land, more women, more power, more wealth. more control.
So there lies the problem
The ego was necessary as a seperation device, it helped us to tell the diference from edible and in edible, what led to pleasure what led to pain.
Trouble was it became very judgmental willful and greedy hence the fall of consciousness in The Garden of Eden
The fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Eventually we are so dependent on the Ego that we imagined that we are separated from God.
So thats just a story but it illustrates where the ego took us.

The Buddha is of the same consciousness as us but ours is "diluted, watered down" by the belief that we are separate from God and everything else.
If we follow of the teachings of any enlightened sage then we get closer and closer to the LIGHT which burns of the ego and leaves us free of the bondage of ignorance,
Then we no longer reincarnate on earth--- karma is also burned of in the process.

The source of the ego is God but it is but the "me" thought which we identify with.
We are also thoughts of God "WE ARE GOD."
You could say Maya and illusion are both products of the ego.

There is nothing outside of us-- in that we are interlinked, joined with and affected energetically, with the most distant star.

Hope this helps Jim

Regards Chris

Thanks for you reply Chris,

Yes that makes sense to me.

It all gets a bit confusing to me, when conspiracy theory comes into it,
I mean if it was my choice to eat the apple in the garden of Eden then I should take responsibility for everything that follows, right?

Maybye conspiracy theories are a blind alley in that respect.

Do you think the tree of knowledge thing was part of the original plan of God?

Maybye I'm just going round and round in circles here...

All the best,
Jim

[greybeard]

Conspiracy is conspiracy is conspiracy.
I dont go for any of it.
Its a can of worms.

The ego, loves to get its snout into anything and everything.

If the powers that be really wanted to take our mind of our true nature, Divine nature, than what better way than to distract us with conspiracy theories?

Conspiracy is the fertile soil for separation.

People get busy looking for the enemy, and coupled with that, something is wrong, we have been cheated we have been controlled by the enemy.
Victim mentality--- then there is hate, betrayal, get even. FORGIVE them!!!! you must be joking!!! All aspects of the ego.
All totally contrary to the teachings of Jesus or any enlightened sage.

Trouble is the good people fall into the trap of wanting to expose the wrong doers and make everything right.

I realize that statement wont prove popular but you wont cure the alis of the world by fighting.

It been tried--- Yesterdays freedom fighter todays Dictator.

You wont change anything by using the same energy that created it.

You can see clearly from history that egoic energy does not work, it creates as many challenges as it purports to solve.

All is an illusion but unconditional love.

God gave us free will along with the ego so you cant blame God if we allowed the ego to do what it does.

Chris

[jimbojp]

Cheers Chris,

Yep, sounds good to me, I've certainly put to much attention in searching for an outer enemy, hasn't helped me much or anyone else!

Kind regards,
jim.

[greybeard]

Posted by jimbojp (here)
Cheers Chris,

Yep, sounds good to me, I've certainly put to much attention in searching for an outer enemy, hasn't helped me much or anyone else!

Kind regards,
jim.

That is very astute Jim
It took me a long while to realize that while I was looking "out side" trying to sort the World I was actually in avoidance of personal issues, family situations that needed to be lovingly worked out.
If everybody sorted their own self and own backyard then all would be well.
The ego of course does not want to accept responsibly for personal mistakes.
Being found out is a killer to the ego, which will it fight against, deny to the bitter end, all that shows it up to be lesser than it claims to be.

One small cover up lie, leads to another, till the whole of ones existence becomes a cover up.
You have lost your self in the lie.
We have all been there--- small time or big time.

Chris

[sirac]

Great last 3 series of posts Greybeard,
they are certainly lieing in my stores for energetic consideration on another date.

i either came upon this from my own path, or a learnt this from Kabala,
but they say that the Maya, or the world at large, is merely a parable for our internal state,
& i know to from my own readings of history, that i've sort of applied a cleanser on myself to get rid of those tendencies within myself, that are seen displayed in history....
...cause if i am in this consciousness state, then certainly too the world around me will be in this state.

Hi Jimbojp
be careful of my words, many times they come forth in what might be called a bombastic format,
but i am just adjectivizing most of my sentences and saying we say, when it is merely my observation.
but other than this...
i have thought of ego/soul in the same context as timelines,
interesting statement you make in
"are we trying to remember something"
I know what ties with this, are the parables from some saying we agreed for a split consciousness from each other and to manifest in this time,
so if we as Inelia says, as a pool of consciousnesses we'd have to agree to change the game,
then I think this is what our soul tries to deal with.
you see that Greybeard has more experiences of our tries and failures, for him, and i'd tend to agree, this is not a now thing, and has probably been so from the first time such an era of ours was instantiated, say at Eden,
i just wonder what is the next step,
certainly i can give a record in my soul of all my intentions but would then have to see the ball game on the ground to see how it actually works out