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    Quote Posted by Hermoor (here)
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    I understood all of that except 'connard' - looked it up and can't stop laughing now!

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    A snapshot from the start of a cheeky "businessMEN” “gay” porn movie.

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    I thought I should maybe share this here.

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    ... More than 1.2 million march in France over plan to raise pension age to 64
    Protesters aim to ‘bring France to standstill’ as President Macron struggles to delay retirements by 2 years

    Protesters demonstrate in Paris against the government's planned reform of the pension system. © Mohammed Badra/EPA

    Angelique Chrisafis in Paris
    The Guardian

    Tue 7 Mar 2023 16.26 GMT
    Last modified on Tue 7 Mar 2023 21.07 GMT

    More than 1.2 million protesters marched in France on Tuesday as rail workers and refinery staff began rolling strikes and trade unions stepped up their campaign to try to stop Emmanuel Macron’s plan to raise the pension age to 64.

    For the sixth time since the start of the year, trade unions called a nationwide day of strikes and demonstrations. Many protest rallies attracted bigger crowds than previous ones organised since mid-January, including in Marseille, one of France’s biggest cities, authorities and local media said.

    “The idea is to bring France to a standstill,” said Fabrice Michaud of the railway workers’ branch of the CGT trade union.

    Rail unions called for rolling, open-ended strikes, which could affect all national trains as well as international routes including the Eurostar. Bin collectors and truck drivers joined the action.

    By midday, approximately 39% of workers at the state rail operator SNCF were on strike, a union source told Agence France-Presse – the highest number since the first strike against the pension changes on 19 January.

    Local urban buses and subway trains in large cities were affected, as were airlines, with up to 30% of flights cancelled on Tuesday and Wednesday as air traffic controllers went on strike. About 24% of public sector workers stopped work, and many schools closed as teachers held a one-day strike. Some students, including at Rennes 2 University in Brittany, began blockading faculties on Monday night.

    Refinery and energy workers also took part in strikes. The CGT union said fuel deliveries from refineries across France had been blocked from Tuesday morning, which could see petrol stations running short if the protests continue.

    “The government has to take this [resistance] into account when there are so many people in the street, when the government is having so much trouble explaining and passing their reform,” Laurent Berger, the head of the moderate CFDT union, said at a Paris demonstration.

    Macron’s proposals to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 and increase the number of years of work required to claim a full pension are being debated in the French senate.

    Macron has been left severely undermined on the domestic front after his centrist grouping failed to win an absolute majority in parliamentary elections last June amid gains for the far right and radical left.

    Without a majority, the government must rely on the rightwing Les Républicains to back pensions changes, but their senators and lawmakers are pressing for alterations.

    Discussions are forecast to conclude by the end of March. It is expected that a committee made up of legislators from both houses of parliament will seek a potential deal on a joint version of the text, to eventually be presented for approval at the national assembly and then the senate. But tensions remain as to the level of support.

    The government is determined to press on with the pensions changes, and its spokesperson said there were more important issues facing the country than the strikes, such as the cost of living crisis.

    “I can understand that not many people want to work two more years, but it’s necessary to ensure the viability of the system,” the prime minister, Élisabeth Borne, told France 5 TV.

    An Ifop poll for the Sunday paper Le Journal du Dimanche found that only 32% of French people supported Macron’s pension changes. An Elabe poll found 56% of French people supported rolling strikes, and 59% backed the call to bring the country to a standstill.




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    There's a huge protest today in Paris (and surely all over France as well) against Macron's pension reforms that is being live streamed in this vid. There was one instance at 2:34 of a guy being dragged along by one leg by the police.


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    ... French protests: Violence erupts in Paris as police clash with protesters at Place de la Concorde

    Niamh Lynch
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    Fri, 17 Mar 2023 21:16 UTC


    Protesters are angry about President Emmanuel Macron's decision to force a bill through parliament to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 without a vote. © AP

    Police have clashed again with protesters angry at the French government's plans to raise the country's retirement age.

    Protestors lit a fire and gathered in the Place de la Concorde, near the National Assembly building in Paris where they faced a line of riot police.

    Images of tear gas being used by police to deal with the crowds was broadcast by Reuters TV, while other protesters were heard chanting "Macron, resign".

    Police have detained 61 people following the protests on Friday, according to French broadcaster BFMTV.

    This is in addition to a further 310 people who were arrested on Thursday, 258 of those in Paris, French Interior Minister, Gerald Darmanin said.

    Smaller scale protests and rallies are also taking place in Bordeaux and Toulouse.

    The ongoing demonstrations follow two motions of no confidence that were tabled against the French president, one of which came from Marine Le Pen's party Rassemblement National and was signed by 88 cross-party MPs.

    Another group of independent politicians put forward a second motion which was signed by 91 MPs from five parliamentary groups.

    Earlier on Friday, police pepper sprayed young protesters near the Sorbonne University, while other protestors blocked traffic, bin collections stopped and students walked out of lectures.

    Many are angry at Mr Macron's decision to force a bill through parliament to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 without a vote.

    Mr Macron ordered Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne to use a special constitutional power known as Article 49.3 to force through the controversial reform in the National Assembly, France's lower house of parliament.

    On Friday morning, Paris's peripherique - the main ring road around the capital - was disrupted at almost 200 points during peak rush hour, according to French media.

    Mr Macron's risky strategy has infuriated unions, opposition politicians and many citizens.

    Opposition parties were expected to start the process for a no-confidence vote in the government later on Friday, however the vote is likely to take place next week.

    The controversial reform has prompted nationwide strikes since January but the increasingly chaotic political situation has sparked immense anger.

    Yellow Vest demonstrators, or the Gilets Jaunes - the protest group that has brought France to a standstill at several points in recent years - are also expected to take to the streets later.

    Outside the largest waste incinerator in Europe, rubbish collectors insisted they would intensify the strikes to force the government to reverse course.

    The collectors had voted to continue their strike action until at least 20 March, France Info reported.

    More than 9,000 tonnes of waste has not been collected in Paris since the start of the strike.

    "I call, and the CGT union calls, for a massive movement and for workers to go on strike massively," said CGT union representative Régis Vieceli.

    "That's the only thing that will get them to back down. We need to hit them financially. When they start seeing the financial impact, they'll go and cry on Macron's shoulder."

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    ... Spring fever is rising:

    3 million attend France's 9th consecutive day of protests

    Kim Willsher
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    Thu, 23 Mar 2023 22:58 UTC


    Protesters in Marseille on Thursday. © Guillaume Horcajuelo/EPA

    Emmanuel Macron felt the full force of French anger on Thursday as protesters gathered across the country to demonstrate their opposition to the pension age being raised from 62 to 64.
    SOTT Comment: As with the Yellow Vest protests which erupted following a fuel tax hike, it seems these protests are about plummeting living standards, but the pension reform was the spark.
    Unions claimed 3.5 million people turned out across the country, while the authorities suggested the figure was much lower, at just under 1.1 million.
    SOTT Comment: The authorities regularly downplay figures, despite all evidence to the contrary.
    In Paris, union leaders claimed that a record 800,000 people took part in a mostly peaceful march through the city - the police gave the figure as 119,000 - to demand that the government drop the fiercely contested change.

    However, the national day of action was marred by outbreaks of violence and vandalism. In the south-western city of Bordeaux, the front door of the city hall was set on fire, while in Paris police and groups of protesters clashed late into the night.


    The city hall is set on fire in Bordeaux. © Ugo Amez/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock

    In the capital, the official demonstration, made up of a large cross-section of French society - young, old, professional, unemployed - set off from Place de la Bastille in the early afternoon and made its way to Place de l'Opéra along the Grands Boulevards, the main east-west road through the northern part of central Paris.

    French union members, carrying flags and banners, were flanked by their own stewards to ensure their security. The crowd was dense and angry with the government and president, but the mood was also festive and motivated by a show of solidarity.

    The atmosphere was soured by a group of young people called casseurs (smashers), dressed in black and wearing masks, who had positioned themselves at the head of the march and destroyed bus shelters, advertising hoardings, shop windows, the front of a McDonald's, and newspaper kiosks, leaving a trail of glass and piles of burning bins in their wake.
    SOTT Comment: The likelihood is that some of these 'smashers' are agent provocateurs - they've been repeatedly exposed at previous protests in France - and some will be disgruntled youth, either way, their actions don't represent the majority.
    They also pulled up cast-iron grilles around trees and broke up paving stones, which they then threw at police.

    The worst clashes took place in Place de l'Opéra and later at Place de la Bastille where police attempted to disperse them with teargas.


    Protesters kick away teargas canisters during clashes with police in Paris. © Nacho Doce/Reuters

    Elsewhere, a woman reportedly had part of her hand blown off by a teargas grenade in the city of Rouen, where between 14,800 and 23,000 protesters gathered, according to figures from police and unions. There were large protests in Marseille, Lyon, Besançon, Rennes and Arles, as well as other French towns and cities.

    Even before the president's centrist government pushed the pension changes through parliament last Thursday using a constitutional measure that avoided a vote, record numbers of workers had taken to the streets in the previous weeks.
    SOTT Comment: As an example of how widespread and long running the discontent is, France's doctors were striking on January 2nd of this year.
    On Monday, Macron's administration narrowly survived a vote of no confidence - by nine votes - but the way the law was passed inflamed the public mood.

    On Thursday, police had been notified of more than 200 protests across France and were gearing up for a massive turnout. Along the route in Paris, banks and businesses were boarded up early in the morning and vanloads of police and gendarmes were stationed along roads.

    Many of the protesters, particularly the young, said they had been galvanised by Macron's appearance on television on Wednesday in which he said the protests were "legitimate" but would not lead to a U-turn on the law, which not only raises the official retirement age, but requires workers to make contributions to the pension system for longer.

    Among the angriest were women protesters, who said the new legislation was a double punishment for those who had taken time out of their careers to raise children and who were more likely to have low-paid and menial jobs.

    "Everyone is angry. Everyone thinks this law is unfair, but it particularly penalises women who are expected to produce future generations of the nation, and then find they are punished for doing so," said Marie, 46, a social worker.

    Juliette, 51, a teacher, said: "They want to raise it to 64 today. Will it be 66, 67, 68 tomorrow? They tell us life expectancy is longer, but are we to work until we collapse and are carted off to the crematorium?"
    SOTT Comment: In some places in the UK that indeed seems to be the plan: Work till you die: UK town where life expectancy is lower than planned state pension age
    Many protesters accused the president of showing "contempt and arrogance" for those opposed to the changes, which were a keystone of his re-election campaign last year.

    On Thursday evening, the interior minister, Gérald Darmanin, said the majority of the 103 people arrested in Paris on Thursday were "mostly young" and were known members of "ultra left" groups. The authorities said more than 120 police officers and gendarmes had been injured. There were no figures available for the number of protesters hurt.

    The prime minister, Élisabeth Borne, criticised the violence. "To demonstrate and make ones grievances heard is a right. The violence and destruction that we have seen today are unacceptable," she tweeted.
    SOTT Comment: Unsurprisingly there's no word from the PM on the unnecessary aggression from the police:
    'Article R. 434-14 of the police code of ethics: "The police are at the service of the population. His relationship with her is imbued with courtesy and requires the use of formal address. » Practical case '
    The radical left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon called on Macron to withdraw the law. He said he did not agree with violence, but added: "We must redouble our protests and blockades. In France there is a sense of a drift towards authoritarianism; many people are beginning to say it is going too far now."

    Widespread strikes and industrial action led to major transport disruption on the roads and flights cancellations. Airport authorities said the protests would have a knock-on effect on the weekend's flights, with up to 30% of those scheduled to depart from Orly, south of Paris, cancelled on Friday and Saturday, along with up to 20% of departures from Marseille, Bordeaux and Lyon. Protesters blocked terminal 1 at Charles de Gaulle airport north of Paris on Thursday morning.

    Schools were closed and colleges were blocked around France, including in Paris, Rouen, Marseille and Toulouse. Protesters blocked the entry to a petrol depot in the Bouches-du-Rhône.

    In his 30-minute televised interview on Wednesday, Macron ruled out the dissolution of parliament, a reshuffle of his centrist government and the resignation of his prime minister, Élisabeth Borne, as the opposition has demanded. He said his only regret was "that I have not succeeded in convincing people of the necessity of this reform".
    SOTT Comment: Pension reform might be necessary, and it would probably pass with less resistance if people felt as though the trade off was fair - that their lives had been improving sufficiently - however, evidently, they do not; and with the energy crisis, soaring inflation, and a precarious economic outlook that has been dragging on for at least a decade, they have a reason for their grievances.
    Valérie Rabault, the president of the Socialist party group in the national assembly, called on Macron to order a final debate in parliament before the pensions law is enacted.

    "We're putting all the options on the table. We have entered a very serious democratic crisis less than a year since the president of the republic was elected," she said, adding that the "blockades damage our democracy and damage France's image abroad".

    Marie Buisson, of the CGT union, told France Info radio that the protesters were "determined". "Since the [law] was passed by force, there is anger," she said. "Our objective is for the maximum number of people to stop work."
    SOTT Comment: More footage from the protests: https://www.sott.net/article/478609-...ll-set-on-fire

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    Default Re: Ça Chauffe! - Turmoil in France

    I similar, but more surreptitious, thing was done in the USA about 20 or so years ago. Congress hid a piece of legislation in an appropriations bill that increased the social security full benefits retirement age from 65 to at least 66 and to as much as age 70 depending on what year you were born.

    As the baby boomers began to retire they learned of this slight of hand maneuver. No protests here. Yet, at least.

    Remember: What governments give, governments can (and eventually will) take away.

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    Astonishing scenes here.

    A few reports have claimed that some French police have taken off their helmets and joined the protestors. (Can anyone confirm??)

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/50118


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A few reports have claimed that some French police have taken off their helmets and joined the protestors. (Can anyone confirm??)
    Seems false:

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    On ñ'oublie pas en direct


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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    On ñ'oublie pas en direct

    It's the literal embodiment of the This is Fine meme




    and another example

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/s...575073281?s=20

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    • France 🇫🇷 Is Furious: Anger Grows at Macron for Raising Retirement Age as Millions Strike & Protest

    French 🇫🇷 unions say nearly 3.5 million people took to the streets Thursday in a nationwide general strike to protest President Emmanuel Macron's deeply unpopular move to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64. Macron forced the legislation through the French National Assembly last week, using a constitutional clause to bypass a parliamentary vote. Macron's government survived a vote of no confidence Monday by just nine votes, but public anger shows no signs of abating, with France's major trade unions planning another nationwide protest for Tuesday. "Not only is the government trying to do this pension reform that people see as fundamentally unfair, but they're ignoring historically large protests even by French standards," says journalist Cole Stranger from Marseille. His new guest essay in The New York Times is headlined "France Is Furious."
    • MILLIONS Protest Macron Across France!

    Ever since President Emanuel Macron pushed through Parliament a raise in the retirement age from 62 to 64, the French 🇫🇷 public have been pouring into the streets with millions of protesters demanding the new law be revoked. Even firefighters and some police have joined in the protests — although many cops have continued to serve as the agents of state violence and cracked down on protesters.



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    Not sure about that. If the building they were in was on fire it would be a priority to put it out so they could continue their meal with friends and family. Fires outside don't get in the way

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    The "police joined the protesters" vid is not the case; see Bill's post on this on the Ça chauffe! thread. From what I know of Parisian police I would have thought that highly unlikely.

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    police marching in front and at the back of a protest is standard procedure and zero sign of them joining or supporting them, that's just standard procedure to guide a protest (and shield it from anti-protests)

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