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    I have made a few posts there, though I can't quote my friend's research without her permission.
    Well, gosh dang it, get her permission! If she isn't afraid to be around us crazies, perhaps she should become a member of Avalon so she can post her own thoughts!

    Quote She's raring to go for some road trips next year, who knows what we might unearth!
    Probably, at long last, the real location of Atlantis.

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    Probably, at long last, the real location of Atlantis.
    No pressure then, Kryztian!

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    I've been watching these over the past few days from the Asha Logos channel, he discusses the Oera Linda Boek against the broader topic of antiquity and subsequent history. There is a particularly interesting segment in the third one, about a community in New Zealand whose ancestral origin tales have been confirmed by DNA testing.

    It's just over 3 hours of viewing, but well worth it.






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    I'm sorry that you feel triggered by what I wrote, that was never my intention as I always aim to debate rather than provoke. Perhaps we could agree to disagree?
    Oh no need to worry! I was kind of joking when I said "triggered", I'm really not that type at all. A better phrase would be "piqued", as in my interest in this theme was piqued and it prompted me to respond.

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    I have read the Iliad and Odyssey, at school and university as I did aim for a degree in Classics, but never graduated. I've had 3 attempts at graduating but something calamitous always arose, forcing me to give it up - even though I only need to do a final year to get my 360 points, I'm not tempting fate anymore! I also did some archaeology modules and had some sotto voce conversations with a very frank lecturer who - as well as other subjects - acknowledged the Schliemann site anomalies; too small, and the burn layer doesn't look extensive.
    Fascinating. And I'm very glad you've read the Odyssey and Iliad. Yes the principle edifices of the citadel at Hisarlik are quite small, but what standard are we employing here? Mycenae is similarly small, as is the Palace of Knossos. But surrounding the citadel at Troy was an urban sprawl; they suggest at least 70-acres in size. How far exactly this settlement extended three thousand years ago is impossible to gauge accurately sans the remains of any stone structures. Because likely these buildings were simple, made of wattle and thatch, so could have covered an even wider area.

    There is no doubting, whatever one believes, that "Hisarlik" was a substantial, important, and rich principality at the right time and in the right place for Homer's Iliad. The Trojan war I strongly suspect did not occur in the way Homer describes, i.e. the famous "quarrel" over Helen, the face that launched a thousand ships. More likely, the poem recollects not one but probably a series of wars between Greece and neighbouring rival powers on the Aegean. Given the existence of significant ruins on the northwestern peninsula of Turkey dating to the right time, Hisarlik is simply a very good fit.

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    Without going into any depth as I've covered it before, I had a deep dive into Fomenko's work last summer with a friend. We double-checked his facts as much as we could and corroborated much of it, and the fact remains that there are no copies of the Classics that pre-date the Renaissance, with the exception of the fragments of Plato and Asclepius that were found at Nag Hammadi.
    That doesn't quite gel with me. For example the Iliad is sourced in its complete form from the Venetus A, dating to the 10th century. It's assumed it was copied down from earlier material, pre-dating even Homer, right back to its probably oral origin. The Iliad can also be traced and tracked in religious and cultural artwork, architecture, and inscriptions throughout the 1st millennium BC. We also have Herodotus of course, whose work Histories survives on scraps of papyrus. He references many ancient writings, including the Iliad and the Odyssey, and much of the Epic Cycle. Certainly the Epic of Gilgamesh is ancient due to engraved tablets nearly 4,000 years old. We also have the Suda, a Byzantine collection long before the Renaissance, that references authors from Homer to Apollonius, listing their works.

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    The demand by aristocrats for ancient manuscripts at that time was so great, with huge sums of money paid for them, that we cannot discount that some may have been forged.
    I agree, it's quite probable there were many forgeries and counterfeits, but they do not discount or discredit - in my view - the authenticity (or historicity) of the Classics.
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    Thanks SM for the info on Venetus A, I hadn't come across that before so I stand corrected!

    The Iliad and Odyssey clearly have a very old provenance as the style of narrative certainly suggests oral transmission. I wonder if they were chanted or sung? I've seen footage from India in which they chant their sacred texts as that aids the learning of it, and keeps the text intact and unaltered through the generations.

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    The Iliad and Odyssey clearly have a very old provenance as the style of narrative certainly suggests oral transmission. I wonder if they were chanted or sung? I've seen footage from India in which they chant their sacred texts as that aids the learning of it, and keeps the text intact and unaltered through the generations.

    Yes!

    Think: Orpheus.

    I would say that is what is behind a lot of this sort of thing; same with Druidry.

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    • Our Subverted History, Part 5.1 | The Oera Linda Book:

    • Our Subverted History, Part 5.2 | The Oera Linda Book:

    • I red about this story/discovery long long time ago in our Frontier Magazine Netherlands ... am so happy to see it is picked up internationally
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    As a matter of fact, the Dutch are actually Danish, time forgot though (we still have a similar sense of humor which is not always understood by others, except the Danes, :-)
    I never heard of the danish/dutch correlation. Actually it is more obvious that the Dutch and the Germans are pretty much the same (I'm German btw). "Deutsch" is the german word for "German" which I'm pretty sure the english word "dutch" arrives from - and it is obvious from their national anthem where there is a line "ben ik, van Duitsen bloed" (a (not brainwashed) German will hear this as "von deutschem Blut" (of "German blood").
    --> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Het_Wilhelmus

    Ironically the Germans do not use the word "dutch" for people or things from Holland, their word for it is "holländisch" (from "Holland") or "niederländisch" (from "Netherlands").

    Thinking about that, how ironic that the English use the same words for that country but only for the country - when they speak of the habitants it all of a sudden becomes "dutch". I always wondered about that peculiar word but it's pretty obvious to me now.

    I think in German the use of "dutch" would be frowned upon because there's been a divide that has been implanted into the "Dutch" and "Germans", almost bordering on hate (often visible when it comes to football). The word "dutch" would counter that as it shows direct connectiveness.

    Of course that (mental) divide has been foisted on pretty much all of the Germanic tribes/people -over the centuries. For instance, you also have this separation between Germans and British (Again, quite visible in football). I mean, helloooo? "Anglo-Saxons" - how much more obvious can it get with the word Saxons - in case people don't know, the Saxons were a Germanic tribe and there are still three states in Germany today that have the word Saxony in them (Sachsen, Niedersachsen and Sachsen-Anhalt)).

    Of course if we go by the Germanic extrapolation it IS safe to say that the Danish are also related to the Dutch - but also to the Germans, the British, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Rus etc. (by and large)

    And if we go even further, one might say that they all have Atlantean origin. That Atland location from the beginning of the thread has been written about by a German author for several decades (starting in the 50s I believe). -->

    https://www.amazon.de/s?k=j%C3%BCrge...f=nb_sb_noss_1

    A free pdf copy of one of his most "famous" books (one may say notorious):
    https://ia801306.us.archive.org/24/i...h-atlantis.pdf

    I don't know if any of his works have ever been translated into English. Personally, I find his work very intriguing/convincing, especially with the Bernstein (amber stone)/ Electrum connection. Bernstein can primarily be found in the northern seas of Germany, Baltica and Holland where it gets washed ashore. Plato (?) or somebody mentions Electrum as a stone highly valued and dealed with by the Atlanteans. Since Atlantis sunk it makes sense that this stuff emerges from the seas where it was located. But this is one point of many.

    (Yes, there's also a gold-silver alloy namend Electrum but back in those days that term might have been used for amberstone. A lot of the traits described fit the bill for amberstone (as Spanuth outlines) - and interestingly enough, amberstone is actually electric! One of the tests for authenticity (there are fakes of amberstone on the market) is to rub the stone against your clothes (cotton,wool,velvet). If it is real this will make it electrostatically chargend so that pieces of paper, hairs and lint will cling onto it. (Like a magnet) (As a quick link: https://www.romadesignerjewelry.com/...mber-from-fake)

    Nonetheless, I'm not actually sold on the idea that around Helgoland was THE Atlantis (as Spanuth proposes and also apparently the Oera Linda manusscript). But some colony or outpost of Atlantis. (The Dogger Bank may tie into this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank) It is much more likely to me that the actual continent of Atlantis was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as there are maps of this (can be found on the net) and they really strike a cord with me. And even as kid I was very convinced that the Atlantic Ocean derived its name from Atlantis.

    Btw, I've been told a couple of times that I had a previous lives in Atlantis but of course I can't tell if it is true - it would make a lot of sense to me though as I feel very connected to and very electrified on the subject of Atlantis. I'm pretty sure this applies to others here in the forum, too.

    The actual Atlantis must have been much bigger than just some tiny land/expansion north of Frisia. But maybe "Atland"/Helgoland was the location of the famous city of Atlantis? (with the rings) Then maybe Frisia/Denmark/Germany/Holland were the Greater Atlantis and everything beyond were the outposts/colonies....
    but that exactly doesn't feel right to me either. All I know is that Germanic/Atlantis is very much connected and obviously it is something that the National Socialists used and promoted. I don't believe this was made up by them (only maybe exaggerated), there really is something there (that makes German(ic) people respond to this).

    If one wants to find closer relatives or actual descendants of the Atlanteans that are still alive today (even though only in small numbers after having been butchered/conquered by the Spaniards) one should look at the white skinned natives of the Canary Islands - the Guanches. -->
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches
    It is very possible that the Canary Islands (and also the Azores) are mountain/volcanic remnants of Atlantis (the one located in the Atlantic Ocean)....

    (As an aside, I vacated on Tenerife a few times when I was a teenager and I can tell that it is a very magical place....I'm kinda longing to go back there someday

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    There is a very old map, 15th or 16th century, that shows Atland off the coast of Ireland and Scotland in the Atlantic. The island and its small outlying islands correspond with the present topography of the ocean bed.

    Busy making dinner at the mo, I'll add an image once I've eaten.

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    A free pdf copy of one of his most "famous" books (one may say notorious):
    https://ia801306.us.archive.org/24/i...h-atlantis.pdf

    I don't know if any of his works have ever been translated into English. Personally, I find his work very intriguing/convincing, especially with the Bernstein (amber stone)/ Electrum connection.
    I haven't read Spanuth, but I've read about him, as I have most Atlantologists. He was certainly a worthy contributor to understanding bronze age culture, for sure, but I think he was off-track with the Atlantean jigsaw puzzle he was trying to make fit together. I rather suspect he was following in the footsteps of Herman Wirth. One of the errors Spanuth makes (and another example of an author trying fiddle with the facts to make them fit his theory) was changing Plato's date for the destruction of the Atlantean epoch from 9,000 years ago (from the time of Plato) to 9,000 months ago, placing the deluge at around 1,300 BC.

    There really are so very many theories for Atlantis, and I fear nearly all of them have some sort of underlying agenda. The Germanic/Hyperborean theory that Spanuth (and Wirth) espoused, had much in common with the Volkisch movement. However that began, it became severely distorted by the Nazi propaganda machine when they used this ideology to advance its notion of Aryan supremacy.

    It's worth noting that Wirth was correct in believing that the North Pole wandered, and that the continents shifted their location (tectonics). But his idea that the nordic race originated in the Polar religion is probably not accurate - at least not in regards to Atlantis. I strongly believe the original Atlanteans were brown/red, and if you were to search for any genealogical link to them today you'd find them in South America and in Native American peoples. The final Atlantis (~10,000 BC) was populated however by more of a mix of ethnicities, much like anywhere in the west today. For various and quite interesting reasons I believe the Basque region in northern Spain is a good candidate for a post-Atlantean colony, Ireland also (the Tuatha Dé Danann), and of course Egypt (where Atlantean religion started over).

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    Plato (?) or somebody mentions Electrum as a stone highly valued and dealed with by the Atlanteans.

    (Yes, there's also a gold-silver alloy namend Electrum but back in those days that term might have been used for amberstone. A lot of the traits described fit the bill for amberstone (as Spanuth outlines)
    I know of the amber argument, and maybe there's something in it, I've no idea. But the substance Plato discusses is orichalcum, a legendary metal alloy - and I rather suspect the theory that it was simply a variant of bronze or brass is more correct.

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    It is much more likely to me that the actual continent of Atlantis was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as there are maps of this (can be found on the net) and they really strike a cord with me. And even as kid I was very convinced that the Atlantic Ocean derived its name from Atlantis.
    Exactly what I think too. It always was in the Atlantic. The likes of Wirth and Spanuth would have us believe it was in the extreme north, and after the 'break-up' all that remained was Greenland (that was Wirth's position). I think it much more likely that after the break-up at the end of the final epoch, all that remained of Atlantis was the Azores.

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    Btw, I've been told a couple of times that I had a previous lives in Atlantis but of course I can't tell if it is true - it would make a lot of sense to me though as I feel very connected to and very electrified on the subject of Atlantis. I'm pretty sure this applies to others here in the forum, too.
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    Trying to get my facts right with my mind on cooking is never a good idea... the island shown on old maps is Frisland, not Atland, but Frisland does suggest a linguistic connection with Frisians. The name Atland suggests migration; Atland - Alt-Land - Old Land, just as the Americas were called the New World, with Europe being the Old World.

    There are two legends that speak of a magical island to the west of the British Isles and Ireland; the land of Lyonesse, lying to the west of Britain, features in the Arthurian legends and might have been borrowed from an earlier legend. In Ireland, there is the tale of Tir-Na-nOg, a mystical and enchanted island to the west where the people have eternal life.

    I've added below a few 16th and 17th century maps showing Frisland in the Atlantic, apparently it no longer appears on maps after the 1660s. Although it is shown all over the place - off Ireland and Scotland, or closer to Iceland, or near Greenland - it is similar to the Piri Reis map that shows the land mass under the Antarctic ice sheet, so it could possibly have been drawn from earlier maps that no longer exist. This video also discusses the possible location of Atlantis, firstly the Richat structure and at 8 minutes it discusses Frisland, and ocean floor topography that corresponds with the old maps of Frisland.


    I'd also like to thank you SoulValor for your interesting post, I'll check out those links!
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    Of course that (mental) divide has been foisted on pretty much all of the Germanic tribes/people -over the centuries. For instance, you also have this separation between Germans and British (Again, quite visible in football). I mean, helloooo? "Anglo-Saxons" - how much more obvious can it get with the word Saxons - in case people don't know, the Saxons were a Germanic tribe and there are still three states in Germany today that have the word Saxony in them (Sachsen, Niedersachsen and Sachsen-Anhalt)).
    I don't know if you're aware of this, but our history was changed to Anglo-Saxon origins during the reign of the very unpopular Hanoverians who came over from Germany. Before then all the history books had a clear and consistent narrative that the British were descended from Brutus, who came from Troy (where Troy really was is another story!) and London was called Troia Nova (New Troy), which was romanised to Trinovantum.
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    It is much more likely to me that the actual continent of Atlantis was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as there are maps of this (can be found on the net) and they really strike a cord with me. And even as kid I was very convinced that the Atlantic Ocean derived its name from Atlantis.
    Exactly what I think too. It always was in the Atlantic. The likes of Wirth and Spanuth would have us believe it was in the extreme north, and after the 'break-up' all that remained was Greenland (that was Wirth's position). I think it much more likely that after the break-up at the end of the final epoch, all that remained of Atlantis was the Azores.
    I've always been fascinated by this topography of the Atlantic seabed, to the south-west of Madeira that made the news about 10 years or so ago (coordinates - 31.249965, -24.353817). They said it was caused by shipping! There's also a long straight line to Madeira - a road? I calculated the measurements of this rectangular structure - 50 miles by 30 miles.

    It's now a much darker blue on Google Earth, and harder to make out.
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    Trying to get my facts right with my mind on cooking is never a good idea... the island shown on old maps is Frisland, not Atland, but Frisland does suggest a linguistic connection with Frisians. The name Atland suggests migration; Atland - Alt-Land - Old Land, just as the Americas were called the New World, with Europe being the Old World.
    Most likely (my conclusion thus far), the migration was because of the flooding of (parts of) Atland. And I also think Frisland (the ‘mythical’ island) was part of Atland, where, given its name, the ancestors of the authors of the Oera Linda book most likely originally came from. Atland, I believe, was a larger country or maybe even a (con)federation. I still suspect that the Richat structure in Mauretania, as the capital city of Atlantis (Atland), as described by Plato, was part of that larger country.

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    As a matter of fact, the Dutch are actually Danish, time forgot though (we still have a similar sense of humor which is not always understood by others, except the Danes, :-)
    Ironically the Germans do not use the word "dutch" for people or things from Holland, their word for it is "holländisch" (from "Holland") or "niederländisch" (from "Netherlands").

    Thinking about that, how ironic that the English use the same words for that country but only for the country - when they speak of the habitants it all of a sudden becomes "dutch". I always wondered about that peculiar word but it's pretty obvious to me now.

    I think in German the use of "dutch" would be frowned upon because there's been a divide that has been implanted into the "Dutch" and "Germans", almost bordering on hate (often visible when it comes to football). The word "dutch" would counter that as it shows direct connectiveness.
    Indeed, we call our language Nederlands, but the earlier name of the language was Diets. But now Dutch people call the language of their neighbours Duits. The connection between German and Dutch is obvious indeed.

    I never experienced real hate towards Germans in my environment, only the generation who lived through WWII experienced that, which is understandable. And the football ‘hate’ is more like a tongue in cheek kind of animosity. Germany is like the big brother (in size) that the little brother likes to beat. And when he can’t - because it used to be that the German team would change the whole outcome of the game in their favor at the very last minute 😁 - he gets frustrated with him. It is a subject we always laughed about on birthday parties etc. Where you can hear in between the lines the brotherly love we actually have for our neighbors.

    But especially in these times, I notice a lot of solidarity between both people, especially the aware people who are against covid tyranny. I just read a German post on Telegram which called on other Germans to join the Dutch in their next protest march in Amsterdam.
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