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    Transgenderism has existed in many cultures and religions, i.e. it's hard to tell whether some deities (angels) are male or female.
    People can believe in whatever they choose, and no harm done.

    Nonetheless, today's transgenderism is different. It follows a definite agenda: the New World Order.
    I look at who is promoting today's transgenderism and draw my own conclusions.

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    Dear Avalon friends,

    I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

    But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

    Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

    Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

    PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

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    Dear Avalon friends,

    I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

    But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

    Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

    Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

    PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

    Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

    How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?

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    Dear Avalon friends,

    I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

    But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

    Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

    Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

    PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

    Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

    How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?
    It is a really, really bad idea.

    There is probably a very good reason why we are born the way we are born. I mean, the Universe, or our Higher Self, aren't stupid.

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    Dear Avalon friends,

    I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

    But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

    Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

    Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

    PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

    Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

    How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?
    It is a really, really bad idea.

    There is probably a very good reason why we are born the way we are born. I mean, the Universe, or our Higher Self, aren't stupid.

    I'll give my personal opinion on this and it really is just my personal opinion. I've always felt that folks who are born one gender and say they don't feel comfortable in that gender and identify as another gender are folks who have been incarnating as one and the same sex out of some kind of comfort zone thing and at some point their Higher Self is like "dude, it's time to learn things through the other sex" and as such they agree to be born a sex they are not comfortable with in an attempt to learn but they bristle and fight it once they engage in the incarnation opposite what they are used to.

    What's wrong with gender fluidity? I'm a dude and I enjoy being a dude, but if I were to be born a woman I would have enjoyed the hell out of that as well.

    As a soul I'm a firm believer that we incarnate as both sexes to learn the lessons we were intended to learn.

    I suppose if you do not believe in reincarnation then this post is a lot about nothing.
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    Default Re: Transgenderism: Is it Mental Illness?

    Boosting my own post from earlier in the thread, since it contains what I think is the simplest and most logical explanation of the cause of transgender problems, and it's really not that mysterious.

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I attended some classes in the Bay Area years ago that were given by a group of psychics.
    Among the subjects that came up were reincarnation, androgeny and homosexuality.
    It was generally agreed upon by the psychics (and it seems very likely true to me) that as androgynous souls who have come here (whether willingly or not) we must experience this reality on Earth (though it may be different elsewhere) as both genders, through a series of many incarnations.
    But many souls may have a preference for one gender or the other, and so they will choose to incarnate as their chosen gender again and again until the time comes inevitably, when their Higher Self steps in and sees to it that the soul begins to incarnate as their least favorite gender, uncomfortable as that may be.
    This can seem like an unnatural ordeal to some, and the changeover may take many lifetimes to achieve successfully, before the soul adjusts, physically, mentally and emotionally.
    Electing to go so far as to have transgender surgery is a manifestation of resistance to a kind of natural law, as OMG said, yet it is certainly permissible karmically.
    It is, if nothing else, a sign that that soul is simply not yet willing to take on the characteristics of the unfavorite gender, but it will be a learning experience, in any case.
    Things are no doubt less complicated on worlds where the androgynous nature of the soul is more accepted.
    But part of 3D experiencing is very much about duality, and that can certainly create a lot of complications.
    Though we can also look at it as an interesting experience, of course!
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    I agree with you DNA and Onawah, to me it also sounds as the most logical explanation.

    Getting out of your "comfort-zone" can be a bit hard

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    Confusion over sexuality has been primarily caused by sexual repression in society: government, religion, schools, and family

    People are made to feel guilty about their sexual thoughts and feelings from a very early age, this causes the individual, both male and female, to try and hide their sexual feelings. To hide them the body and mind become involved to hold back the energy associated with sexuality. This causes an armoring of the mind and body preventing natural sexuality from developing in the individual, leading to chronic health problems and neurosis.

    The Trobriand Islanders had a matriarchal sexually open society--they had no crime, perversion, or neurosis.
    Anthropologist Dr. Bronislaw Malinowski, did a study on their way of life and wrote an excellent book all about his discoveries called The Sexual Life of Savages, book available here--
    https://archive.org/details/sexuallifeofsava00mali



    Dr. Wilhelm Reich was the leader in exposing how sexual repression damages the individual and wrote many important books on this subject.
    The Nazis went after him and he fled, eventually to America. Unfortunately the FDA went after him as well. Besides shaking the establishment's cage, he had found a natural way to reverse the effects of cancer. The FDA trumped up a way to put him in prison and burned his books in an incinerator in New York City. Reich died in prison.

    These books are a great starting point for understanding his work and how it relates to this forum thread--
    (The Theodore P. Wolfe translations are the best.)
    1. The Function of The Orgasm
    2. The Mass Psychology of Fascism




    Copy available here: http://whale.to/b/reich.pdf

    Short documentary on Wilhelm Reich "Man's Right To Know"

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    Default Re: Transgenderism: Is it Mental Illness?

    transexuality is a mental illness in my opinion.

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    My feeling is.
    Make the best of what your born with.
    Cant see that surgery or any other way of changing your gender is going to bring lasting happiness.
    However if that's a persons choice, then that's their decision.
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    Quote Posted by Omni (here)
    transexuality is a mental illness in my opinion.
    That kind of insinuates you can cure it. And I don't think so.

    EDIT: I should probably also say though, I don't think they want to be "healed" or "cured", but then again I can't speak on behalf of transexuals, I don't know what they think like.
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    But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.
    Why should you apologize? You are not attacking anyone, even if there are some trangenders here.
    How much truth can be told (without personal attacks, of course) determines the quality of any given platform.

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    Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.
    It is not just the trans issue where "all hell breaks loose."

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    Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?
    Absolute yes. It is called Pavlovian conditioning. And those thus conditioned don't even know that they have been conditioned to react that way (whether they are trans or not).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning

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    Everyone has a battle thats important to them, some are just louder about it than others.

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    Quote Posted by SubjectCCCIX (here)
    Everyone has a battle thats important to them, some are just louder about it than others.
    and it's usually a VERY SMALL FEW that are so Loud that situations seem vastly larger than they are.

    as of 2016 transgenders make up around .6% of the population... why are we talking about this at all with those numbers... LGBTWQIJRTZ:DJTSJSGJTSX (what ever that collection of letters is up to) is only as high a ~7%.


    These are tiny amounts of people "over all" and they are "sucking all the air out of the room" IMO.... the fact that we focus on these tiny problems shows us how decadent our society has become.
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    Default Re: Transgenderism: Is it Mental Illness?

    Normally I'm a live and let live person. Several years back I would have been inclined to say transgender/queer is just another genetic and behavioral variation in the human species.

    Now though, I'm not so sure. Reason being, I have meet a fair share gay/lesbian people who were calm and well-adjusted. So far as I can tell, most of them are happy with just being able to marry/adopt and not being shamed.

    Whenever I encounter self-described transgender/queer individuals however, they always seem to have a host of other mental health issues. Greater social acceptance doesn't seem to be enough either, as their interests always seem to be tied to "tearing down heteronormative/cis standards". It's one thing to say your personality doesn't fit into cultural expectations of how most men/women act. When I was growing up I wasn't like most guys my age, as I was more passive and had little interest in sports.

    It's quite another thing though to be at war with your biology. Biology is what it is regardless of what your personality is like, and that's why it's frowned upon to let biological males into the same bathroom as young girls. There might be extreme cases where the suffering from dysphoria is changed by surgery, but as has been mentioned, the long time suicide rate still casts doubt on it.
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    Default Re: Transgenderism: Is it Mental Illness?

    Men built this world. It is about destroying the legacy of manhood. What better way than to introduce a fluid gender controversy to further confuse men. Maleness has been a bad word since I was a teen. We have been under economic attack for a long time, since before women entered the work force. Our paychecks are dwindling, our pride is a shame, our strength a weakness, our ability to weather any storm derided. Even our biological imperative to procreate has been used against us and called misogyny.

    If two breasts lead to interest and further lead to male genitalia, why not just follow through? What's the difference? Just like the chinese knock-off, a TS looks like the real thing until you get it home. Then you find out it only looks like the real thing and is really only a facsimile, a wish, a ruse, a play on reality. You can pretend, you can dress it up and make it look real but it ain't nothing but a sham, an empty promise, an illusion.

    Is the wish to be something one is not, taken to the ridiculous extent of parody, a mental illness?

    We are told that it is not. We are told that biology made a mistake, that this male should have been born female. Who are we to say otherwise, it is not our concern, and it is a private matter. But what happens when this very private matter is aired in public, shoved in the faces of those it does not concern, like drag queen story time, for instance? Does making a very rare disorder, common knowledge help those facing this dilemna? Or does it in fact encourage others who are on the fence, only mildly affected, take the drastic step of cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy?

    Airing this sort of dirty laundry in public only makes for an out of proportion reaction from the public, disproportionate to the numbers actually involved. It establishes a minority position for an unhealthy sub-sector that would benefit far more from psychological help than receiving sex-altering procedures and parading around as if they are normal.

    Constructing a systemic highway from out of the closet to off with the penis is at best a sideways move, it does not address the core issue. There should be some talk, a bit of soul-searching, a little time to think it through. It should never be fast-tracked and accepted as normal. It does not serve those affected by this possible malady.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    It is about destroying the legacy of manhood.
    I'd say there are multiple attacks, undermining masculinity is just one of them; destroying the "Family unit" and "individuality" are TWO of the 10 planks of communism.


    A lot of what I see today seems to be at least strangely parallel if not seemingly direct continuation of this fight between our Republic and the concept of Communism (in one of its forms).
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