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    Default Re: Ye Olde Fortified Village

    On a lark, I perused local real estate listings for properties over $1 million, and found many with large amounts of land in the countryside. This led me to the thought that a prospective group of "Ringers" could buy such a place, and use the main house for construction crew lodgings while the dual ring village in under construction. 300 charter subscribers could chip in $10,000 and have a nest egg of $3 million.

    In the past, I presumed that Ringers would only be looking at unimproved land, and made assumptions accordingly. However, if a parcel already has a house on it, basic utilities should be available, too.

    The end result is to build a prosperous cooperative community, that generates far more usable surplus to trade and enjoy.

    Here's an example - a bit pricey (asking $3+ mil, but the sale history shows it was 1.4 mil recently) - bet they'd take a low ball cash offer. 164 acres. Private lake. Large garages suitable for storing construction equipment. Near Alabama border, 60 miles due west of Atlanta, GA. Could possibly fit 3 or more DRVs. Have your own retirement community with on-site amenities and luxuries. . . even better, set it up as a Church owned parcel and keep it off the tax rolls. Members could have life estates and thus establish their inhabitant status.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1...69920250_zpid/
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    Poultry farms are a big thing in the area. If you like chicken and catfish, fresh from the lake, you're going to like it there.



    Ah, dream on - - -

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    A MEGA CITY (over 10 million inhabitants) w/ 1000 in each DRV, would need a minimum of 10,000 DRVs, arranged in concentric circles, forming 59 rings, (550 ft overall radius, inc. outer ring roadway) thus would have worst case distance of (59 x 2) +1) DRV widths.
    ( (550ft x 2) x 119) = 130,900 ft, or 24.79 miles at the widest.
    [482.72 sq miles; population density = 20,715/ sq mi]
    [Comparisons :
    San Francisco = 18,440 / sq mi;
    Mexico City = 21,750;
    St Petersburg = 22,069]

    Logistically speaking, it would be very efficient, able to move cargo and passengers throughout the megacity, with speed and frugality.
    (What "it"? The intrinsic subway tunnel network that was excavated with the DRV foundations. A 4 track rail system can support up to 100,000 passengers per hour, have dedicated express and local service, and is fault tolerant to blockages and breakdowns. The hexagonal grid of DRVs would have 3 tangent lines, each with parallel rights of way, providing up to 118 rights of way, or 10 million per hour.)

    35 Megacities would have a 700 million capacity.
    THE ONE RING THAT BINDS THEM

    Instead of the current paradigm to use skyscrapers to support the concentration of businesses and services in close proximity to each other, in a city center, let’s consider a totally different approach... and let’s use the previous megacity values.

    Let’s imagine laying all those skyscrapers on their sides, and joining them into one big ring.
    If a circumferential ring building surrounded the concentric circles, it might have the diameter of 131,000 ft (24.8 mi) or a circumference of 77.9 miles.
    Let’s make the “one” ring 100 ft thick x 5 stories tall (50').
    [World Trade Tower 1 had an exterior dimension of 208' x 208', but inside that square shape, the widest portion for office space was only 60' (2 sections). The 88' wide core was taken up by elevators, express & local, engineering, and emergency escape stairwells.]
    77.9 miles x 100 ft thick x 5 stories = approx 205,686,354 sq ft of floorspace
    If 1/20 the population worked there, that would be 400 sq ft per worker.
    [In comparison, Manhattan houses more than 463 million square feet of office space, the majority of which is in Midtown.]
    If we extend the foundation depth to 5 stories, that doubles the available floorspace, approaching Manhattan’s capacity.

    That’s one big building - perfect site for a business district or an industrial base - or the seat of local government - or an airport and hangars (circular runway as envisioned by Henk Hesseklink) - or transient lodgings - or more apartments - or service industries - or warehouses - or studios - or perhaps all of those functions, and more.

    And while excavating the deep foundation, install a six track wide subterranean rail right of way. 4 tracks for high speed passenger (local, express) and 2 tracks for slow heavy freight. . . with requisite spurs to keep the tracks clear.
    [Each track has the equivalent carrying capacity of a 9 lane superhighway -- with no intersections]
    No point on the ring is more than 39 miles away (24.8 mi, if a commuter cross town line is available), nor inaccessible by mass transit. (With express rail, approx. 40 minutes or less; with high speed mag-lev (ex: Shanghai 268 mph (431 km/h), approx. 9 minutes or less.)
    Suspended monorails may be even better - since the cars can tilt with the curve as speed increases.

    Benefits : reduced energy costs to move passengers, freight, and resources; reduced area needed for building core; reduced risk of being trapped by fire & accidents; reduced risk from earthquakes, less channeled wind, and less risk from objects falling off (like glass from broken windows) and other extremes. Also not likely to be hit by airplanes.

    Of course, it may be more practical to use a smaller diameter continuous ring, and have it surrounded by neighborhood rings, inside and outside the perimeter. But that will depend on the particular situation, and if the requirement for a circular runway is important.

    The net result is a much greater efficiency of surface area, while preserving the quality of life for the ten million "Ringers."

    The DRV portion = 482.72 sq miles (of mixed use habitat & parkland)
    The circumferential ring only adds 1.47 sq miles to the overall megacity, while adding 410 milllion square feet of industrial space, a convenient rail corridor, and enhanced transportation logistics.

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    Default Re: Ye Olde Fortified Village

    Continuing in the vein of a circumferential ring 'round a mega city . . .

    City of JEFFERSON, District of New Columbia
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    Let's imagine relocating the nation's capital from foggy bottom, Washington, D.C. to a new central location.

    It is not impossible to amend the constitution, and give a grant of land to form a new Federal district, independent of any state.

    As to relocating to a place close to the geographic center, which is located (in a 1918 survey) at 39°50′N 98°35′W, in Kansas about 2.6 miles (4.2 km) northwest of the center of Lebanon, approximately 12 miles (19 km) south of the Kansas-Nebraska border... why not?

    In fact, the new grant might be increased from 10 miles x 10 miles, to perhaps 20 miles x 20 miles, to better accommodate the expansion of the government's administrative and military offices. It could be a planned city with a network of subways installed before any buildings are erected, providing convenient mass transit for the huge workforce. Operating on 2 minute headways using traffic signal progression, a well-designed two-track system can handle up to 30 trains per hour per track, achieving peak rates of over 20,000 passengers per hour in each direction. More advanced systems with separate rights-of-way using moving block signaling can exceed 25,000 passengers per hour per track. That's approaching 100,000 passengers per hour in a four track system. In contrast, highways have ultimate capacity limits of 2,000 vehicles per hour, due to safety. The average car occupancy on many roads carrying commuters is only about 1.2 people per car, which means that a 4 track system (express and local) would have the equivalent capacity of 41 lanes of superhighway.

    As a precaution against terrorism, the construction of deep sublevels, immune from conventional explosions, would be wise. So we combine the excavation of the subways with foundations, where applicable.

    Even the city layout could go against convention. Instead of a concentration of offices in the center (a tempting target) the various government installations could form a contiguous ring... a security perimeter, if you will. Visualize a circle with a 10 mile radius. A ring building 63 miles in circumference - that's BIG. Inside the enclosed ring, apartments, parks, lakes and memorial areas could be located, in relative safety. A circular bidirectional subway would efficiently serve all the offices in the ring building, without the need for turnabouts, intersections, sidings and crossings. If the express track runs at 125 mph (200 kph) no location is more than 15 minutes away (31.5 miles half way around).

    And any expansion outside the district for bedroom communities would have a shorter commute, to reach the ring subway and any other mass transit radiating from the center of the ring, such as streetcars / trams.

    Logistics would be simple, too. Freight and other cargo can run on subway tracks, as well. To insure no interference with the high speed express service, slow freight may be run on a parallel pair of tracks. If you're already building deep subterranean levels and foundations, what's the barrier to adding another 24 feet of width?

    Locating two airports, one commercial, one military, a short distance away, also served by high speed rail, takes care of air transport concerns while not flying over the capital.
    Or better yet, build a circular runway (as envisioned by Henk Hesseklink) a convenient distance from the Big Ring.

    Now what do we do with all that excavated earth? Imagine if the curved walls were built of rammed earth, 3 meters thick? Now we have a robust, barrier wall for the exterior. A five story design (50' high) should be more than sufficient to deal with any foreseeable flood. 10ft (3m) is sufficient thickness to shield against gamma radiation, as well as Mother Nature's wrath (tornado, flood, snow drifts, temperature extremes, etc), providing insulation, acoustic isolation, protection from flying debris, and so on. It's not perfect, but it will endure far more natural calamities than conventional construction.

    And such a design could accommodate over 4 million Ringers, in an optimized urban setting, with plenty of greenspace, parks, play areas, wildlife habitat, minimal vehicles on the road, no heavy trucks doing deliveries, and all within a security perimeter.

    Of course, governments do not run on common sense, so this is an exercise in pure fantasy.


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    Default Re: Ye Olde Fortified Village

    "Punk Amish" DRV

    “Punk” Amish - as in self sufficient / low consumption lifestyle, but not necessarily devoid of technology. However, the most advanced (and frugal) items are the result of a long line of ever more expensive predecessors.
    Ex: Computers that were $2000 in 1984, are surpassed (in computing power) by smart phones, costing 1/10... in debauched “currency.”
    This fact underscores the problem of “preparation” before knowing what is to come.
    A general rule - the less you need to buy at retail, the less you need to earn / have. Assuming that you haven’t “withdrawn” from the socialist democracy, you would still have obligations and taxes based on those privileges. Reducing those would be helpful.

    Envisioning the Punk Amish DRV - - -
    Prosperity is not based on "their" money tokens, however they're configured. Real prosperity is based on prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. That's why we know we're being hosed, because the rising population means more laborers, whose output can be multiplied and amplified by tools, machines, automation, etc, to generate surplus. Yet we can readily see poverty all around. "Someone" is taking a mighty "skim" for themselves... and not contributing any useful labor in exchange.

    Moving on -

    Imagine a modest DRV, using previous examples, but with a few twists: A raised annulus pond down the middle of the ring street, providing inexpensive water transport 'round the ring. A small child could tow several tons of cargo. . . for fun.

    This raises the question : how does one cross the raised pond to reach the inner ring or the round park within? Tunnel under or bridge over? (Depends on the design clearance for cargo on the annulus and thus the height of all bridges)

    And if there are many DRVs in a ring city, add "roller coaster" gravity powered rail mass transit, linking various roundabout stations. Again, low consumption, high standard of living.

    If the exterior helical ramp system is incorporated into the "new" urban paradigm, providing extensive wildlife habitat, one might consider the benefits of an internal helical ramp - for wheeled vehicles : bicycles, electric unicycles, wheel chairs, skateboards, etc., etc. Also add a continuous moving grab line for those who don't have the strength to roll up the ramp.

    For example, a 310ft radius outer ring wall, might have a 270 ft radius inner wall, with a circumference of 1,696.46 ft (517.06 meters)
    A ramp rise of 10 ft over 1,696.46 is very shallow (0.5 % gradient)
    An ADA curb ramp must have no more than a 1:12 ratio, or no greater than a 8.33% slope.
    A ramp on the inner ring outer wall will be a "steeper" gradient, but not by much. Again, it depends on the width of the ring road.
    If we assume two 12' ring lanes + 12' annulus pond, then the ramp radius might be 234 ft (270 - 36); and a circumference of 1,470.2 ft.

    It may be simpler to run multiple ramps using 1/3 to 1/4 the circumference.

    These ramps can have landings on each of the continuous balconies, providing easy access for Ringers. Folks can roll and stroll, up and down, and all around.

    In this way, Ring life can be "rich" without needing a lot of resources, fuel, power, etc.

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