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    With Johnson's kipper tie, the Piscean age comes to an end with a whimper: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-industries


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    Several months way too late, I've just come across this utterly delightful 3 minute clip from Yes Minister.

    Why the UK is in the EU


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    Several months way too late, I've just come across this utterly delightful 3 minute clip from Yes Minister.

    Why the UK is in the EU

    Yes Avalon Founder! But this rather contradicts the prevalent forum view that Brexit was necessary in order to escape the evil cabal in Brussels. So which is it to be? This video presents the acceptable face of perfidious Albion: self-deprecatory British humour. Humour is a two-edged sword; it can be a way to convey unpalatable truths (there’s many a true word spoken in jest, as they say); or it can be a way to play down those unpalatable truths. The rise of the buffoon Johnson would seem to suggest the latter, Brexit being the next step in the ongoing process of fomenting trouble. Even now we can say that any future step such as an application to rejoin the EU is doomed to create just more trouble.

    It is also worth considering many earlier steps long before Orwell said War is peace. In the mid-19th century, Victor Hugo was bemoaning the perverse genius of Britain and Russia at the Congress of Vienna of 1814-15. In Le Rhin (1858), Hugo explains how Britain and Russia created a permanent motive for hatred between Germany and France at a time when they were destined to become reconciled. The main plank of the post-Napoleonic peace, he says, was taking the left bank of the Rhine from France and giving it not just to Germany but to ‘the youngest and strongest of the German peoples’, Prussia,’ capable of never giving something up once it has gained control’. Writing over a decade before the Franco-Prussian War, Hugo describes this move as ‘a masterpiece of hatred, cunning, discord and calamity.’


    Even today, France is highly ambivalent over Napoleon, whose bicentenary fell only the other week. Briefly, as I understand it, the huge benefits of the French revolution are inextricably bound up with the war in Europe, the problem being, as the Soviets later discovered, how to establish revolution in one country. Creating goodwill/peace is not everyone’s ‘cup of tea’. It takes some stretch of the imagination to conceive of the current English administration working in that direction. On the contrary, it is a part of their success so far to have turned round the alternative community, winning over conspiracy theorists by focussing their attention away from their own misdeeds.


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    But this rather contradicts the prevalent forum view that Brexit was necessary in order to escape the evil cabal in Brussels.
    Well, the sketch is a joke, of course. Yes Minister was a satirical political comedy. (And one of the very best, as well.)

    But a Brexit-supporting cynic could wryly point out that all ended well, because after joining the EU, Britain ended up destablizing it substantially by then leaving dramatically. Just like someone being invited to join an important decision-making committee and then upsetting the applecart by walking out again and talking to the press waiting outside the door.

    Given that the EU was one of the NWO's beta tests for a supranational conglomeration of nation states, one step towards their planned abolition, weakening the EU was a very positive thing to happen. It made the North American Union, the South American Union, the African Union, the Asian Union, and the Pacific Union just a little less easier to put together.

    Vive la révolution.

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    But this rather contradicts the prevalent forum view that Brexit was necessary in order to escape the evil cabal in Brussels.
    Well, the sketch is a joke, of course. Yes Minister was a satirical political comedy. (And one of the very best, as well.)

    But a Brexit-supporting cynic could wryly point out that all ended well, because after joining the EU, Britain ended up destablizing it substantially by then leaving dramatically. Just like someone being invited to join an important decision-making committee and then upsetting the applecart by walking out again and talking to the press waiting outside the door.

    Given that the EU was one of the NWO's beta tests for a supranational conglomeration of nation states, one step towards their planned abolition, weakening the EU was a very positive thing to happen. It made the North American Union, the South American Union, the African Union, the Asian Union, and the Pacific Union just a little less easier to put together.

    Vive la révolution.
    Bill, it is not a valid objection to say this is comedy, since I covered that question in my post. Interesting that cynicism should be brought into it; I imagine that cynicism is something for which David Hawkins would award pretty low vibrational marks. But let me make a clumsy attempt at bringing the comedy up to date.

    - Grandpa, tell me how the great human awakening came about that saved the world, the universe and everything.
    - Well, son, it was like this. You had a few million working-class Labour-voting northerners. They were mostly miners in the 1970s, but they lost their jobs under Thatcher, a Conservative. Why? Because they were the main culprits behind global warming, which only became a big issue in the 21st century. Later, when an Eton-educated loser came along – another tory – they were heard to say, ‘I voted for Boris, because he’s a good laugh’. (And so, one supposes, was that son of a miner Dominic Cummings.) Many people were incensed that this tiny minority should vote so stupidly and so effectively against their own interests, but the fact is that it made Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson the king and saviour of the world, so we can all live happily ever after. Just stop scratching your head, there’s a good boy. You need to understand that any kind of union is and was a very bad thing, unless it is the United Kingdom or Manchester United. The great Bill Ryan said this:
    Quote Given that the EU was one of the NWO's beta tests for a supranational conglomeration of nation states, one step towards their planned abolition, weakening the EU was a very positive thing to happen. It made the North American Union, the South American Union, the African Union, the Asian Union, and the Pacific Union just a little less easier to put together.
    - Grandpa, what was the NWO?
    - It was a union of evil forces that extended worldwide and beyond into the solar system and the galaxy.
    - So what was the awakening all about?
    - It was about bringing together all the forces for good in a supraplanetary conglomeration of positive-oriented souls. ETs could finally approach Earth safe in the knowledge that humans were speaking with one voice.
    - So, they had become like a flock of sheep?
    - Yes. No!! Hey, it’s way past your bedtime.


    Breakdowns in logic are an endless source of comedy. If some kind of unity is your goal, then any breakdown in logical unity will produce unwelcome comedy. If some kind of universal love is your unity, then there is nothing funny about universal love per se. On the contrary, it is no joking matter. Comedy dwells on the imperfections; love dwells on the core perfection.


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    It’s always interesting when a post gets zero likes If it happens to you, don’t be discouraged: press where it hurts.

    There’s many a true word spoken in jest, I wrote. When Victor Hugo said in all seriousness that already way back Britain was up to no good in Europe, he has a prior claim to the idea. If the same thought appears in late 20th c. TV comedy satire, then it has a serious historical basis and is fulfilling the purpose of satire according to its dictionary definition, namely ‘intended to expose and discredit foolishness or vice’ (Longman Dictionary, p. 1320). That is the intention; unfortunately, when things begin to appear altogether too ridiculous, the intention can be undermined by the comic effect. The British are very good at laughing at themselves, but satire is wasted on them because they overlook the serious intent. It is a recipe for… conservatism. The silliness is priced into Englishness, all the way to putting a clown in 10 Downing St. Viewing this old TV show with 40 years hindsight just adds a whole new comical layer to the business.

    Against this, to say ‘Vive la révolution’, especially in French, is clearly to adopt a pro-European stance. The French revolution went hand in hand with the American Revolution, the difference being that the French were doing it from home, the Americans having withdrawn to a distant colony. They had already gotten out of Europe; it was now a matter of getting London out of America. Britain is the least revolutionary nation in the world because it is the target of revolution, being the home of the imperialist status quo, with everything to lose. Clinging to this past is what makes sense of both the frantic efforts to join the Common Market and Brexit 40 years later: two imperialist reactions to a continent that had moved on.

    There IS a huge contradiction in all of this that has to be addressed. And it is not simply about the intuitively offensive idea that a beneficial outcome for humanity could in any way be deliberately planned and carried out by this bunch of borderline sociopaths. On the other hand, it may that a beneficial outcome for humanity could be brought about by the same, accidentally and at great cost to their own people.

    I pointed out some time ago on the ‘Anglo-Saxon mission’ thread that the meeting setting out that agenda was overheard not in Brussels but among elite figures in London, people therefore who are bankrolling the English government, not the EU. As I never got a satisfactory response to this issue, I have been working on one myself and will report back in due course. Meanwhile, let me make a start right now. It irons out the contradictions, which are due to the Brits playing a double game of outmoded imperialism in an age of international cooperation. Instead, you have a consistent tale over time: Victor Hugo was describing the same thing back in the 1850s. (Interestingly, in Kim Stanley Robinson’s SF novel Blue Mars, two centuries into our future, with colonies on Mars, Mercury, the asteroid belt, on the way to the stars, you find Earth humanity still messing around with all these fledgling independent civilizations.)

    Briefly, what this means is that the ‘NWO’ concept – which my spellchecker unfailingly turns into ‘NOW’ – is unfit, or no longer fit, for purpose. If one applies the slogan ‘Vive la révolution’ to the NOW, it is massively incompatible with the ‘Britannia rules the waves’ slogan still being bandied about. Contrary to conspiracist theory, Britannia cannot or can no longer use maritime law to rule the continents of America or Europe, which are huge land masses governed by ‘the law of the land’. The New World Order was a suitable concept as a desirable future for the Old World Order; that is all it ever was. Yet this is the major stumbling-block that keeps the alternative community out of the mainstream, as a minority of nutters who see an overarching conspiracy to rule the world. That major stumbling-block is removed by taking the view that the alternative community is caught up in the madness of a tiny minority of nutters who may well be dreaming of running an overarching conspiracy to rule the world. To awaken would then be to emerge from this collective psychosis – just as an analyst, having got into the patient’s head in order to understand, must at some point come out the other side and declare a cure.

    It’s game over; the past is past. Time to move on, otherwise the vanguard becomes the rearguard. I will take the NOW not as a spellcheck error but as the oppositional force to the THEN, aka the NWO with its Orwellian twist whereby new=old. With these two terms you can generate all the conflict in the world: bloody status quo –> bloody revolution –> bloody counter-revolution ->... This is the Ickean mantra, that travesty of Hegelian dialectics that does not bear another mention. It is a travesty of Hegelian dialectics because it passes back and forth from thesis to antithesis without ever bothering with the synthesis that, normally speaking, becomes the next thesis to be antithesized and synthesized. Hegelian dialectics is not some laboratory tool: it is how the real world actually works. Progress is simply moving forward in time; one ‘makes progress’ in the ameliorative sense by keeping up with that process. Some diehards create difficulties by seeking to stand still. However, visionaries can also create difficulties by getting ahead of themselves and everyone else.

    Hence the synthesis of the THEN and the NOW is going to be the UPCOMING: whatever comes after the stage currently coming into being. This embryonic form is what will eventually turn today’s NOW into tomorrow’s THEN and so on. Hence there are two ways of misperceiving the situation. The first of course is the reactionary one, i.e. seeing the NOW (e.g. all the good things happening that never get into the news) exclusively in terms of the THEN. The other is a reverse effect, seeing the NOW exclusively in terms of the UPCOMING, and therefore all the relative shortcomings of the NOW, notably surviving elements of today’s THEN. To take a positive angle on the same data is to focus on where emergent phenomena are heading as part of the bigger process, rather than where they are coming from.

    To wind up this post, let me come back to the EC, as a work in progress (NOW). Imperialism (THEN) meant divide and conquer. The Treaties of Vienna and Versailles sought to weaken the aggressor by punishing the French and then the Germans. In the latter instance it didn’t work: the Germans came back even stronger than before. The origins of the EC show it to be an attempt to solve that issue, and history shows that, for all its imperfections, it has succeeded in that regard, thereby placing it in a position to do something about those imperfections. The serious subtext of both the above ‘Yes Minister’ clip and the Brexit saga is to highlight what happens when a nation fails to keep up with the progress of history.

    In earlier times it was a consistent policy of weakening the aggressor that was applied, only inconsistent in that it had to punish different nations. Unfortunately, weakening Peter (later Paul) only strengthened Paul (later Peter), which is how ‘the peace’ just paved the way for the next war. What the UK has arguably been doing during this extended peace has been sniping at anything and anyone showing a little more strength and creating a kind of cold war among allies. Whether or not Britain is seeking to come out stronger in the process is neither here nor there; it may well be simply an uncontrollable reflex. The method that always worked with the colonies no longer works when dealing with equals; Britain (or England) is fast becoming irrelevant. This is in line with international relations under Johnson as described by Cummings only yesterday (with reference to covid): thriving on chaos because it shows people he is in charge – a totally meaningless stroking of his narcissism, because chaos literally means that no one is in charge.

    We are getting very close to CS Lewis’s pandemonium. Brexit may turn out to be a very good thing, not for the UK, but for everyone else.


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    Just stumbled across this thread, wondering how many threads I have accidentally stalled over the years.


    As I am not too bright these days, I would welcome any views on how Brexit fits into the bigger picture as of late March 2022. The Ukraine wants to join the EU etc...


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    Just stumbled across this thread, wondering how many threads I have accidentally stalled over the years.


    As I am not too bright these days, I would welcome any views on how Brexit fits into the bigger picture as of late March 2022. The Ukraine wants to join the EU etc...
    My own personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that the UK vote to exit from the EU caused the Globalist gang to re evaluate their step by step plan of reaching a global auto-technocratic NWO system via forming regions of 'representational government free zones' that they could slowly join together. It simply wasn't working and falling apart.

    They decided to go for broke with the final end game that overrides ALL governments in one swoop. That's probably a lucky thing for us, really. They were not ready to make that move but they must have calculated that they were either going to try it and get lucky with it, or completely crash and burn, for sure.

    It wasn't just the UK exit from the EU that would have caused them to choose that option. They had a slightly bigger problem to get around, Trump in the Presidency of the US.

    So, my short answer is that Brexit, causing the EU to look like a complete failure, gave the globalists a panic rush that caused them to make a rash move they may never recover from.

    The media talk of Ukraine joining the EU is nothing more than taking points that mean nothing real. It's almost the same with talk of Ukraine joining NATO too. NATO is already fully embedded inside Ukraine and has been plotting there for a long time. It just wasn't politically official because the process of doing it politically would have blown up in their faced prematurely. Now Putin has made his move, it's blown up in their faces anyway ( prematurely ).
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    As to responsibility for all this, I could be persuaded to glance in the direction of a certain well-known henchman Boris appointed to his No. 10 office...
    A thought from last summer: Dominic Cummings, from a mining family of Durham, famous for explaining how the Tories couldn’t give a toss for people like himself, is clearly a traitor to his own and his own integrity. Notice how for people like this, Boris Johnson has previous: Leo Boland, another “son of a County Durham pitman” was his chief executive at London City Hall from 2009-11. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-london-boland

    What happened is that this civil servant, who built his reputation by making other people redundant, made himself redundant on the basis that he was doing Johnson’s job, and so gave himself a nice golden handshake at 58, thereby saving the taxpayer not a penny on his two-year early retirement!
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/bori...f-6565805.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hief-executive


    In view of recent developments this fetish for Durham miners’ sons takes on some importance. Here is a video presentation which I confess made me cringe: pretty dreadful from someone on that sort of salary.
    https://vimeo.com/15684975


    More interestingly, there is the going ahead with electronic vote-counting despite possible fraud: “Leo Boland takes decision to e-count in London 2012”
    https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog...in-london-2012
    A major reason for my much lower profile on Avalon these last few years has been frustration with the tendency – starting of course with my own – to sound off on all sorts of subjects and make huge mistakes while doing so. This has nothing to do with fake news or gullibility in that regard. I have a decent brain, certainly of the kind that should help democracy work ; and for all that, there is too much noise to make the right call on just about anything. Let me explain why I have chosen this thread to make this statement.


    With the hindsight of the last three years, I owe this Leo Boland a thousand apologies. Anyone who, to quote my above post, ‘made himself redundant on the basis that he was doing Johnson’s job’ now turns out to deserve universal applause. If they had a hundred Leo Bolands in Westminster,
    then maybe the UK could extricate itself from the situation created by this king of narcissists, because as we know the only way to deal with such people is to walk away. Here the fact of self-preservation as the only possible way out I have placed behind the appearance of self-serving.
    What we now see here is, somewhat unexpectedly, self-interest coinciding with the general good. In my earlier post, I focussed on the former. Today, focussing on the latter, I see we need to cut today’s dissidents a little slack.


    The above leads to a very concrete position. Anyone escaping Johnsonism in 2022 is derided for their previous performance as a useless sycophant. Whether or not this is true is beside the point : this is an emergency : when you rescue people from a blazing building, you don’t check their credentials first, political or otherwise.


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    More turmoil in the UK, but this 30 minute summary from Alexander Mersouris really belongs on the Brexit thread.

    Betrayal of BREXIT complete with Ursula, King Charles and Rishi


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