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    Where's the sound ? I just saw this clip and there is no sound when posted...

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    Yemen Conflict: "War is a very profitable business for the USA"



    Published on 13 Oct 2016


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    Yemen: The Anguish, Bloodshed and Forgotten Heroes in a Forgotten War

    By David on 14 October 2016 GMT








    Yemen: The Anguish, Bloodshed and Forgotten Heroes in a Forgotten War

    October 13, 2016 By Vanessa Beeley 1 Comment


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    ‘It should be personal to all of us. Yemen, regularly portrayed as the poorest nation in
    the Arab world, is proving itself to be the richest in courage, resourcefulness and resilience…

    …Yemen are a people under attack by an undeclared superpower coalition comprised of the
    Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, US, UK, EU, UAE and Israel. Like in Syria, while the Yemeni people
    are under attacks by power powers, they are simultaneously being collectively punished by
    the illegal sanctions imposed by a corrupt United Nations body, on the pretext of legitimizing
    an illegitimate fugitive ex-president, Saudi Arabia and Washington’s hand-picked puppet leader,
    Mansour Hadi, who demanded that neighbouring Saudi Arabia to bomb his own people – even
    after Hadi had resigned twice from an already over-extended presidential term, before fleeing
    to his alma mater in Riyadh.’

    Read more: Yemen: The Anguish, Bloodshed and Forgotten Heroes in a Forgotten War

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/1...forgotten-war/

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    ‘Apparent war crime’: Human Rights Watch blasts Saudi carnage at Yemen funeral, slams US & UK arms supplies

    By David on 14 October 2016 GMT


    RT NEWS....

    ‘Apparent war crime’: HRW blasts Saudi carnage at Yemen funeral, slams US & UK arms supplies


    Published time: 14 Oct, 2016 00:42
    Edited time: 14 Oct, 2016 04:58



    ‘Human Rights Watch has accused the Saudi-led coalition of war crimes following
    an airstrike on a funeral in Yemen, which left at least 110 dead and over 600 wounded.
    The watchdog has also lambasted the US and the UK for supplying weapons to the Saudis.

    On October 8, at least two air-dropped munitions penetrated the roof of a hall containing
    over 1,000 mourners, killing at least 110 people and wounding 610 during the funeral
    ceremony of Ali al-Rawishan, the father of the Sana’a-based administration’s interior
    minister, Jalal al-Rawishan.

    “A Saudi Arabia-led coalition airstrike on a crowded funeral ceremony in Yemen’s capital,
    Sanaa, on October 8, 2016, is an apparent war crime,” Human Rights Watch said, calling
    the strike “unlawfully disproportionate.”’

    Read more: ‘Apparent war crime’: Human Rights Watch blasts Saudi carnage at Yemen
    funeral, slams US & UK arms supplies

    https://www.rt.com/news/362712-hrw-s...ampaign=chrome
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    Iranian warships deployed off Yemen coast after US bombs Houthi targets



    Published on 14 Oct 2016
    Iran has deployed a fleet of warships to the Gulf of Aden, the republic's naval
    commander has confirmed. The deployment follows US cruise missile strikes
    on Yemeni positions thought to be under Houthi rebel control.

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    And then there's Yemen: The Arab World's overlooked proxy war



    Published on 14 Oct 2016

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    While Syria burns and Libya teeters, civilians are bearing the brunt of another Arab world civil war.
    The rest of the planet appeared largely indifferent to the plight of Yemen until two events: Saturday’s
    Saudi-led air strike against a funeral wake in the capital that left 140 dead, and now the US retaliating
    against the targeting of its navy with strikes of its own against suspected bases of Houthi militias. How
    to reconcile Yemenis and get regional powers to take their rivalry elsewhere?


    Part 2.....

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    BoJo REJECTS UN Saudi Yemen inquiry




    .
    I want to offer these predictions.

    It seems to me that Boris is acting like a lackey.
    There's no justifiable reason for his support for the slaughter in Yemen.
    He's doing what someone's telling him... the NWO... USA... Israel .. someone.
    Someone's pulling his strings.

    My predictions are, we will eventually find out:
    (1) he's participating in satanic rituals and/or he's raping children.
    (2) he's in the masons.
    (3) he will become prime minister in the next few years.

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    Missile attack on US warship 'false flag operation': Analyst

    By David on 15 October 2016 GMT




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    Missile attack on US warship 'false flag operation': Analyst
    Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:35AM



    ‘The failed missile attacks against American warships off the coast of Yemen bear the hallmarks
    of false flag operations that the US is known to have staged in the past to justify military action,
    says a former American intelligence linguist.

    “Obviously something may have been fired at a ship in international waters; whether it came from
    the Houthi [Ansarullah movement] or whether it came from Houthi-controlled areas has not been
    proven, certainly these kinds of false flags have been used in the past,” Scott Rickard told Press
    TV’s Debate program.The analyst said the US is complicit in the destruction of Yemen through the
    sale of millions of dollars of weaponry to Saudi Arabia.’

    Read more: Missile attack on US warship ‘false flag operation’: Analyst

    http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/14/...ard-Mouracadeh


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    PRESS TV....

    US preparing for invasion of Yemen’s western coast: Houthi
    Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:29AM



    Abdul Malik al-Houthi, the leader of Yemen's Houthi Ansarullah movement


    The leader of Yemen's Houthi Ansarullah movement has warned that the US
    military is preparing the ground for an act of aggression against the war-torn Arab
    country.In a televised speech on Thursday, Abdul Malik Badreddin al-Houthi
    slammed Washington’s recent missile attacks against three mobile radar sites on
    Yemen’s Red Sea coast, saying the nation and armed forces should stay vigilant
    and stand fully ready to face the invaders.

    “The US is after laying the groundwork for making an invasive move against
    [western coastal] Hudaydah Province,” the statement said, adding, “Through this
    measure, the US is after building up pressure on and harassing the people of
    Yemen.”

    http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/14/...i-Saudi-Arabia
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    Yemen conflict: Saudis blame funeral hall bombing on mistake
    2 hours ago


    At least 140 people were killed in the bombing

    The Saudi-led coalition bombing Houthi rebels in Yemen has said it attacked a
    funeral hall in the capital, Sanaa, based on "bad information".At least 140 people
    were killed, most of them civilians, in the attack on 8 October - one of the single
    worst death tolls in the two-year conflict.An inquiry blames "non-compliance with
    coalition rules of engagement" and "the issuing of incorrect information".

    The attack was heavily criticised internationally.

    The 14-nation Saudi-led inquiry, carried out by the Joint Incidents Assessment
    Team, said coalition aircraft were wrongly told that the funeral hall was full of
    Houthi leaders. It said "a party affiliated to the Yemeni presidency of the general
    chief of staff" was to blame.


    read more...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37666698

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    .S. warship targeted in failed missile attack from Yemen



    Published on 16 Oct 2016
    A U.S. Navy destroyer is targeted in a failed missile attack from territory in
    Yemen controlled by Iran-aligned Houthi rebels, the third such incident in
    the past week. Diane Hodges reports.

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    US Secretary Kerry visits London for Syria and Yemen talks


    22 minutes ago


    US Secretary of State John Kerry is meeting his UK, French, German and
    Italian counterparts in London as part of renewed Syria peace efforts.
    On Saturday he met Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, along with
    representatives from other countries with stakes in the five-year conflict.
    Nothing concrete resulted but the US and Russia spoke of "ideas" emerging.

    The London talks began with discussions about Yemen and a call for a
    ceasefire in the two-year conflict.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670528

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    Somewhere around sixteen Saudi/Gulf Monarchy ships have been sunk by the Yemenis. The American one has Electronic Counter-Measures (ECM) to force most missile attacks to fail. I would think if the Yemenis actually initiated this, they would say so; furthermore, the radar towers were already defunct from Saudi strikes. The Iranian Navy may go about making things a little more complicated.

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    Saudi airstrikes violate Yemen’s UN-brokered brief truce

    By David on 21 October 2016 GMT


    PRESS TV....

    Saudi airstrikes violate Yemen’s UN-brokered brief truce
    Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:2AM



    This photo shows a destroyed bridge following a Saudi airstrike in the Harf Sufyan district of
    the Yemeni northern province of Amran on October 20, 2016. (Photo by al-Masirah TV network)


    ‘Two separate deadly Saudi airstrikes against civilian sites in Yemen’s northwestern provinces of
    Amran and Sa’ada have broken the United Nations-brokered ceasefire in the war-ravaged Arabian
    Peninsula state.Three people lost their lives on Thursday, when Saudi fighter jets struck a bridge
    in the Harf Sufyan district of Amran province, located 53 kilometers northwest of the capital Sana’a,
    Yemen’s Arabic-language al-Masirah television network reported.

    Another three people were killed in the Baqim district of Sa’ada when Saudi warplanes struck a residential building.’

    Read more: Saudi airstrikes violate Yemen’s UN-brokered brief truce

    http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/21/...-funeral-Sanaa

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    I posted this here in the Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Iran, Putin and World War III thread but it also seems relevant in this thread.

    Quote Just came across an interesting email from Wikileaks re the UAE, Erik Prince and mercenaries in the Middle East. I am not sure this is the best place for it but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread.

    https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/574850

    Secret Desert Force Set Up by Blackwater’s Founder
    Email-ID 574850
    Date 2011-05-15 17:19:14 UTC
    From vince@hackingteam.it
    To mork@ork.it, costa@hackingteam.it, emanuele.levi@360capitalpartners.com, rsales@hackingteam.it

    La nuova "Legione Straniera" , con forti aspirazioni in tutti i paesi nel Golfo Persico.

    David
    Translation: La nuova "Legione Straniera" , con forti aspirazioni in tutti i paesi nel Golfo Persico. = The new "Foreign Legion", with strong aspirations in all the countries in the Persian Gulf.

    Quote Secret Desert Force Set Up by Blackwater’s Founder Adam Ferguson/VII Network
    Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, has a new project.

    By MARK MAZZETTI and EMILY B. HAGER
    Published: May 14, 2011

    ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates — ...

    Sheik Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi hired Erik Prince to build a fighting force.

    The army is based in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, but will serve all the emirates.

    ...

    Mr. Prince, who resettled here last year after his security business faced mounting legal problems in the United States, was hired by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi to put together an 800-member battalion of foreign troops for the U.A.E., according to former employees on the project, American officials and corporate documents obtained by The New York Times.

    The force is intended to conduct special operations missions inside and outside the country, defend oil pipelines and skyscrapers from terrorist attacks and put down internal revolts, the documents show. Such troops could be deployed if the Emirates faced unrest in their crowded labor camps or were challenged by pro-democracy protests like those sweeping the Arab world this year.

    The U.A.E.’s rulers, viewing their own military as inadequate, also hope that the troops could blunt the regional aggression of Iran, the country’s biggest foe, the former employees said. The training camp, located on a sprawling Emirati base called Zayed Military City, is hidden behind concrete walls laced with barbed wire.
    ...

    In outsourcing critical parts of their defense to mercenaries — the soldiers of choice for medieval kings, Italian Renaissance dukes and African dictators — the Emiratis have begun a new era in the boom in wartime contracting that began after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. And by relying on a force largely created by Americans, they have introduced a volatile element in an already combustible region where the United States is widely viewed with suspicion.
    ...

    //

    Among many other interesting things from this article: I have seen it reported that the Saudi's are using Colombian mercenaries in the war in Yemen. Perhaps this is where that plan originated and the UAE, in "support" of its larger looming neighbour, handed over the troops for this?
    Seems the use of Colombian mercenaries met with mixed/poor results in the initial stages as reported above - which does not bode well for either side fighting in the Yemen.
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    Default The starving of Yemen's people

    Some more on the conflict in Yemen:

    From the Ron Paul Liberty Report:
    Who's Starving Yemen's Children?

    Quote The US-facilitated Saudi blockade is leading to severe food and water shortages in Yemen. When Iran tried to land a humanitarian cargo plane in Yemen this week, the Saudis blew up the runway so it could not land. What's behind this escalation? Where might it lead?
    From Iraq English:
    Starvation in Yemen

    A comment from a Youtube viewer 2 weeks ago:
    Quote oh god. usa uk ships are enforcing the embargo that is starving yemen. saudi warplanes refuelled by USA flew to hudaydah port and smashed the cranes at the port. so unless aid ships have their own cranes, no aid can come into yemen. i Sanaa city, the Oxfam centre with a stock of aid was purposely targetted and bombed by Saudi war planes. now there is a deadly cholera outbreak in Taiz, Aden and other parts of Yemen.
    From RT:
    Shocking images of starved toddler show horrors of Yemen’s civil war (Graphic)

    Quote The horrors of Yemen’s civil war have been encapsulated by photographs showing a toddler suffering from severe malnutrition. UNICEF estimates that 320,000 children are facing starvation, while over two million youngsters need urgent assistance.
    Saudi Arabia causing famine in Yemen

    Call at the UN for declaration of Yemen as a crisis zone. Reports of famine, destruction of food warehouses and farms, cholera, dengue fever, and more.
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    The House of Saud is literally depopulating the middle east of Arabs, to the north through its support of ISIS and to the south through its own continuing assault on Yemen.

    If they aren't really crypto-Jews playing their part in the Oded Yinon plan, they're sure acting like it.
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    At Christmas, Yemen's Blood is On Our Hands

    By Voiceless Yemen
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    December 21, 2016



    This attack on a funeral hall Oct 8 which killed hundreds was not the act of ISIS. This was the work of the people behind ISIS, Israel, US & UK. The Saudis are merely there to take the blame.

    Quote "Millions face starvation just so a dictator is returned to power."

    The author is a young Yemeni housewife with a degree in English residing in central Sana'a. She is an example of the fact that Muslims are our allies in the resistance to the Zionist Occupational Government of the West. The Zionists are behind war, terrorism, ISIS and Islamophobia.

    Sanaa -Twenty-two straight months of airstrikes, blockade and the silence of global complicity. This is life in ancient land of the Queen of Sheba, Yemen. There are no flights , no embassies, no commerce, no electricity, no wages and no sign of relief anytime soon. This, in a region submerged by wealth, luxury and decadence which supersedes logic and limits.


    (A diamond studded (4.8 million USD) Mercedes owned by one Saudi prince is only the 38th in his collection.)


    The October 8th airstrike on a funeral hall gathering in Sana'a is a hallmark example of insanity of Saudis led warcrimes on Yemen.

    A hall packed with nearly 3,000 people being viciously struck not once but twice (double tap) by a high flying F-16 fighter jet. The result: hundreds killed and injured in one of the bloodiest and boldest attacks on civilian targets in modern day history. This was not the act of ISIS. This was the work of the people behind ISIS. This was the work of Israel, US and UK. The Saudis are merely there to take the blame. This is why, in June, they were protected when the UN declared the airstrike killings in Yemen as warcrimes on children.

    The axis of evil bailed out their cronies and prolonged the killing and destruction of Yemen.


    (Hell on earth. Burned corpse of funeral hall airstrike bombing victim)


    Ex-president and Saudi/Western puppet, Hadi, still claims to be president and still is issuing executive orders out of a hotel in Riyadh. He resigned and fled in 2014, but his Zionist masters are godlike. They can rise the dead back to life.

    A conspiracy to liquidate most of the paper currency in Yemen was followed by a 'presidential' order In September to move the central bank from the capital Sana'a to the currently occupied (by British agents UAE) port city of Aden.

    This move was deemed catastrophically inhumane by all observers. Since most of Yemenis are dependent on some form of a government salary many are barely coping. Up until now, the central bank in Sana'a has only been able to pay a fraction of overdue salaries. The US/UK backed Saudi/UAE forces control the gas and oil fields as well as the ports, tariffs and boarder checkpoints. Most all federal revenue goes to the Saudi/Hadi camp while the vast population struggles to survive airstrikes, siege and now this economic warfare.

    DOUBLE STANDARD
    Syria has been destroyed by western backed terror groups just to oust one man. In Yemen it's the exact opposite. Millions face starvation just so a dictator is put back into power. It matters not the ambitions and desire of Millions who took to the streets to voice their approval of their current government and leadership.

    All that matters is the "international community" who still recognizes the traitorous fugitives and unlawful puppet ex-government whom are hiding scattered in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE and Qatar.

    The Saudis, though the prime aggressor, has had the least to gain from this disastrous war; if you can call it a war. Since the start of the onslaught in late March of 2015, Saudis have not only managed to nearly bankrupt their economy, but they have also exposed and isolated themselves not just from the Muslim world but from an already restless and impatient global list of nations such as Russia.

    In October Saudi government decreased government employee salaries by 20%.

    Economic experts forecasts complete bankruptcy and meltdown of government in less than four years. The kingdom has bitten off more than it can chew. They have financed conflicts all over the Middle East and Northern and central Africa to the tune of billions of dollars. In Yemen, the war has cost the Saudis a mind boggling 800 billion dollars. Low oil prices are not helping either.

    Teetering on the brink of not just financial collapse, the Saudis are also on the verge of a civil war for control of the throne.

    Rumors and predictions has it that king Salman will vacate the throne by March 2017. If so, this would be the the very last days of this British-Wahabi kingdom.

    WHAT ZIONIST-CONTROLLED WEST HAS DONE
    Here's a sample look at what this Zionist/Western inspired onslaught looks like in numbers. It almost seems miraculous that Yemenis are still even standing up at this point. Amongst the Airstrike targets thus far has been:
    5183 business establishments
    254 factories
    641 foodstuff warehouses
    476 food trucks/deliveries
    515 markets and shopping centers
    294 gas and oil stations
    216 gas taker trucks/deliveries
    1376 farms/agricultural land
    1553 government facilities
    719 schools and learning institutions
    675 mosques
    263 hospitals and healthcare centers (including doctors without boarders)
    202 tourist attractions (including UNICEF heritage sites, cities and structures)

    9th century mosque destroyed saudi-led airstrike on Sanaa


    Although nearly obliterated, thanks to the over 300,000 airstrikes and blockade, Yemen still stands to emerge as victor. Not only is the impoverished nation surviving a 20 mega-nation coalition and a silent global complicity but they also managed to light the spark that will rid the world of this short-lived demonic British colony state of 'Saudi Arabia'. Now it's time for its sister state, the Rothschild parasitic entity known as 'Israel' to follow.

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    Author's Note: It appears Foreign Policy Magazine has other figures as to the true cost of Saudi-led war on Yemen: Try TWO TRILLION and 175 billion and 12 million Dollars!

    It's 6 billion a month. Multiply this by 22 months.

    So the cost of destroying a country and it's poor infrastructure and killing and injuring tens of thousands is costing more than building an entire nation from scratch.

    Absolute sign of human decline and end of times.


    Related:
    Yemen is Classic Western Imperialist War

    Housewife Reports from War Torn Yemen
    West Complicit in Rape of Yemen
    Why Yemen will be Donald Trumps' Litmus Test
    The Muslim View of Life
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    Default Re: US supported conflict in Yemen

    Here is my current understanding.

    The provinces, Najran, Asir, Jizan, were historically a part of Yemen. Houthis are consistently obliterating the Saudi military in these zones, and in the long run the provinces are likely to defect to Yemen. I have not yet seen any reports of the Yemenis expressly targeting civilians at all--the only non-military targets have been some Aramco oil facilities.

    A significant part of Saudi royalty (and some other Gulf monarchies) are fleeing their countries in anticipation of power shifts, or fear of assassination. Egypt has decidedly severed its ties from the Saudi machinations. Yet the Saudis (only country named after a family) have increased bonds with Israel (only country named for a long-dead historical kingdom).

    The U. S. went quiet after this naval "thing" a couple months ago.

    Saudi armies are down in Yemen to die, because they are inferior. If Yemenis advance much farther north, they will be able to target Riyadh and Mecca, which will probably give the Arabs a change of strategy. I honestly don't know of a fair payback for 22 months of F-16 bombing runs since the lives lost cannot be restored. Although the dismantling of the "House of Saud" is probably the consequence. It amazes me that there is some kind of "pipeline" to join Islamic State from France or Detroit, but nothing for the Houthis. As far as I can tell, this movement deserves everything.

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    Hrm, well, this first article is a bit "fuzzy", but more or less indicates that some of the militias who have been pointlessly defeated in Syria are going to pack up and head to Saudi Arabia (doesn't really say to regroup or attack):

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951012000722

    And perhaps this would be an opportune moment to change battlefields, as in the past week the Saudis are 0-78:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951012001382

    I...don't think I can come up with any historical precedent where an invader has lost that consistently, including in their own territory.

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    Here come some further embroilments.

    It is perhaps less than coincidental that this situation is a close rerun of the early 1960s. Yemen had been under an Imam since the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire which contained it, there were a few power shifts after his death. Eventually Egypt had a hand in one side, the Saudis in the other. It was pretty much the first instance of the UK starting to rely on retired SAS and privately-contracted mercenaries as their main group, and they were able to use it as a pretext to sell the Saudis an air force. Nasser stepped on his dogs a little bit by reducing Syria to a vassal state, which wound up hampering the pan-Arab position.

    At the moment, Turkey has dismissed interest in US air support for their maneuvers towards al Bab, as the US was mostly doing it with lip service:

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...tance-instead/

    While they may be relenting from the "Assad must go" camp:

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-syria-policy/

    Meanwhile, they are somewhat assisting Syria--by transporting al Qaeda elements to Yemen. A different kind of death sentence I suppose. They were flown to Aden, the old British stronghold, but it was no surprise, while the Saudis were getting thrashed again:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951016000788

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    Egypt may re-enter on the Yemeni side--possibly along with a few of those Russian jets:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951025001042

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Egypt may re-enter on the Yemeni side--possibly along with a few of those Russian jets:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951025001042
    It's not clear to me that Egypt and Russia would want to aid the Yemeni govt.
    I gather there's an allegation that the current govt in Yemen is a puppet regime,
    supported, funded, armed by foreign powers (surprise, surprise... usual story)

    My understanding is that the Yemeni govt is pro Saudi Arabia/Israel/USA.
    The Houthi rebels are opposed to this govt... (for a multitude of reasons)
    .. perhaps Egypt and Russia would have more kinship with the Rebels.

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