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    Kanye surfaces...

    at Trump Tower!!!



    You can't make this "stuff" up.


    Good to see Mr West doing well. It's not easy exposing what's behind the corporate music industry curtain imho.


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    The obvious interpretation of all of this for me is that Kayne is having a "falling out," to put it lightly, with his controllers in Hollywood and the music industry, and he recognized that Trump would be willing to help keep him safe because Trump's administration is going to be looking to prosecute all of these satanic pedophile criminals who run these businesses. Dave Chappelle is somebody else to keep an eye on. He fled to Africa when "they" started trying to get to him, and he's suggested as much in multiple interviews.

    If Trump can make it to January 20th it will be very interesting. I pray that he does.

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    I am also watching more Alex Jones -- but I've never shunned him -- nor these alternate places for info.
    Recall Kayne West having been wonderfully outspoken years ago about racism in US.
    Do also think rather suspicious that Britney Spears became such a topic as a "loser" in our press -- seemed
    very unusual. And probably Kayne W and what's going on right now.
    Yes -- psychiatry has been abusive through the ages. An excellent book on this is "Murder on the Couch"
    The power to label people is a very dangerous one.

    And, certainly, people in Hollywood love power.


    PS: On the topic of psychiatry -- the New Yorker had an article this Spring on Schizophrenia -- you can probably find it on internet -- Title: "It Runs in the Family." Very simple family story included which you can ignore.
    But very interesting contributions to our knowledge as studies come together -- those studying the brain, those studying the eyes, especially.

    What they found was that those suffering hallucinations were actually getting messages from their brains suggesting what they were seeing was real. Same for hearing. Not something totally imaginary.

    As for Schizophrenia, I notice that it has a great deal in common with Autism.
    In both cases, what they have in common is Synopses -- and problems seem to stem from over-pruning of these synopses or under-pruning. Don't recall which way it worked in either case -- but one was the opposite of the other.

    In the case of Autism, we have many strange substances being injected into children. And, certainly pollution of this earth -- by mining for one, can affect health. Btw, we have these very serious allergies developing in children -- very notably to peanuts. Imo, it's quite significant that peanut oil has been used in vaccines.

    Night --
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    Quote Posted by TODD & NORA (here)
    Kanye was and has been smoking serious weed laced with PCP and doing too much blow mixed with Molly. He spent all his money and had to fake a robbery to get insurance money. He has a history of nervous breakdowns. He created his problems. As for pizza gate, it is a political psyop to keep you busy on the Clinton conspiracy track. It is as real as the Elders of Zion was real. Wake the **** up people. You are being manipulated.
    After a lengthy analysis of the pizzaagate thing, I would put my money on TODD & NORA calling this one right. I feel like a fool that I was played. Does this mean I am not open minded with regards to claims of organized child sex trafficking, SRA and SRH&AS? Not at all... but in the case of pizzagate, I think we have been sorely had.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Quote Posted by TODD & NORA (here)
    Kanye was and has been smoking serious weed laced with PCP and doing too much blow mixed with Molly. He spent all his money and had to fake a robbery to get insurance money. He has a history of nervous breakdowns. He created his problems. As for pizza gate, it is a political psyop to keep you busy on the Clinton conspiracy track. It is as real as the Elders of Zion was real. Wake the **** up people. You are being manipulated.
    After a lengthy analysis of the pizzaagate thing, I would put my money on TODD & NORA calling this one right. I feel like a fool that I was played. Does this mean I am not open minded with regards to claims of organized child sex trafficking, SRA and SRH&AS? Not at all... but in the case of pizzagate, I think we have been sorely had.
    Hi Sam I am curious as to why you think this? Do you have any links to key points that helped you come to this conclusion. For me I first became aware of the possibility of a satanic pedophile ring comprising many at the top levels of society back when i was studying sociology in the 90's. There were tons of victim statements...but we were taught that even though so many sounded convincing it was impossible because it woild mean there was a massive conspiracy..which of course was ludicrous...hmmmm. initially i believed this interpretation, but over time i cam across more and more info that supported the victims' claims. To me the whole pizzagate thing...as much as i have looked into it seems to align with all the rest of the stuff i have looked at over the years. So i am curious to understand how you have come to believe that it is a hoax. Cheers

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    Hi - I don't believe hoax is the best word. I suspect it may have been a psyop. I suspect that if it was indeed a psyop, then not only did I fall for it, but so have many others. I base my new, current opinion only on my own reconsideration analysis of things that transpired before the election and then after in relation specifically to Comet Pizza. And this is all and only my own experience of it all as of today that I base my current opinion.

    Note that it is only my current opinion and really means nothing. I am dead tired right now but I will try and cover the data points in the AM. Understand, I wanted this all to be sadly true as I thought that if it actually were true and the white hats in NYPD got the info to white hats in the FBI then perhaps a chain of events could occur which might lead to a global change in the underlying practices the pizzagate affair is linked to. Practices which I am quite open minded (wishing that it would NOT be true) are actually occurring - practices documented incredibly well in perhaps the most important thread on this entire forum - Horus-Ra...

    Note also that about a month ago I told a very good and respected member of PA that I had my doubts about one of the posters who stated pizzagate was BS. What I am saying is that my judgment then has changed. What this also says is that I am able to change my views on matters when I have additional information even if that change of opinion means I look like a fool for having my prior judgment.

    I would rather be honest than have to always be right.

    Tomorrow I will cover the data points.
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    Default Re: Kanye West hospitalized, under psychiatric evaluation

    Quote Posted by Hazelfern (here)
    Could it be he is just in rehab. Simple as that.
    I wished.
    At his level of fame and influence, this day and age with decades of MK being refined, I say,"no".

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    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Hi - I don't believe hoax is the best word. I suspect it may have been a psyop. I suspect that if it was indeed a psyop, then not only did I fall for it, but so have many others. I base my new, current opinion only on my own reconsideration analysis of things that transpired before the election and then after in relation specifically to Comet Pizza. And this is all and only my own experience of it all as of today that I base my current opinion.

    There are so many areas one has to invest a little time in to have the prerequisite fortitude and understanding to tackle this topic.

    If you digest the Cathy O'Brien material and I mean truly digest it, what is stated with Pizzagate doesn't sound quite as shocking.
    Cathy O'Brien implicated the Clintons as far back as 95'.
    Now think about that, she not only implicated Bill but also Hillary as a lesbian and this was way the ef back man, and only now has it come out that Hillary's girlfriend is Huma Abadein and such, but this isn't really the important stuff.
    The important info from Cathy O'Brien would be the implications in regards to the Neo-Cons and their personal involvement in pedophilia.
    Cathy O'Brien discusses MKULTRA, ritual sex abuse in the family and the prevailance of this practice in the intelligence community and fraternal organizations.
    Cathy O'Brien points out that Gerald Ford (the unelected president) had dealings with the mafia in Michigan in dealing pedophilia pornography.
    So it seems that human trafficking and pedophilia practiced as a result of human trafficking is probably as prevalent as it has ever been.

    She also points out that Gerald Ford's cabinet was
    Donald Rumsfield - Secretary of State
    George Bush - Head of CIA
    Dick Cheney - Secretary of State

    These guys never really left power and the Clintons are literally in bed with them.
    Do you doubt the Clinton trips with Jeffrey Epstien, and the implications that association has?
    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Note that it is only my current opinion and really means nothing. I am dead tired right now but I will try and cover the data points in the AM. Understand, I wanted this all to be sadly true as I thought that if it actually were true and the white hats in NYPD got the info to white hats in the FBI then perhaps a chain of events could occur which might lead to a global change in the underlying practices the pizzagate affair is linked to. Practices which I am quite open minded (wishing that it would NOT be true) are actually occurring - practices documented incredibly well in perhaps the most important thread on this entire forum - Horus-Ra...
    I will give it up to you Sam for making some amazing contributions on the Horus-Ra thread, you actually wrote vast and copious statements in your own words, but in my opinion that thread was over rated. The OP of that thread was basically just cut and pasting from Eve Lorgen's site http://evelorgen.com/wp/ . And when that well ran dry cut he began to cut and paste from other sources. There was very little original information posted by the OP, if anything it served as a beacon for pointing folks to study the material of Barbara Bartholic and Dr. Karla Turner, and for those who are brave enough to do this I commend them, but how much credit should we really give to folks who are just cut and pasting? By contrast the thread Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings was begun seven months before the Horus-Ra thread and the information is all personal revelations by the OP and the folks posting, very little cut and pasting. Just saying

    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Note also that about a month ago I told a very good and respected member of PA that I had my doubts about one of the posters who stated pizzagate was BS. What I am saying is that my judgment then has changed. What this also says is that I am able to change my views on matters when I have additional information even if that change of opinion means I look like a fool for having my prior judgment.

    I would rather be honest than have to always be right.

    Tomorrow I will cover the data points.
    Not only Cathy O'Brien but Bryce Taylor's information needs to be digested as well.


    If you understood what these women went through, and the powerful well known people who were very involved in their degradation, torture, rape and childhood crucifixion, then pizza-gate wouldn't seem as shocking in my opinion.


    The Pizzagate deal is so multi-faceted.
    What part do you not believe in?
    The Podesta pedophile art that he adorns his house with?
    The Podesta FBI deciphered secret language used for pedophilia?
    The pedophilic art decorating comet ping pong?
    The social media exhanges used by the owner of Comet Ping Pong?
    The pictures of real children in suggestive poses shown on social media by the owner of comet ping pong?
    The fact that the Government is now attacking alternative media due to the fear this very topic has brought on?
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    Hi - I don't believe hoax is the best word. I suspect it may have been a psyop. I suspect that if it was indeed a psyop, then not only did I fall for it, but so have many others. I base my new, current opinion only on my own reconsideration analysis of things that transpired before the election and then after in relation specifically to Comet Pizza. And this is all and only my own experience of it all as of today that I base my current opinion.

    Note that it is only my current opinion and really means nothing. I am dead tired right now but I will try and cover the data points in the AM. Understand, I wanted this all to be sadly true as I thought that if it actually were true and the white hats in NYPD got the info to white hats in the FBI then perhaps a chain of events could occur which might lead to a global change in the underlying practices the pizzagate affair is linked to. Practices which I am quite open minded (wishing that it would NOT be true) are actually occurring - practices documented incredibly well in perhaps the most important thread on this entire forum - Horus-Ra...

    Note also that about a month ago I told a very good and respected member of PA that I had my doubts about one of the posters who stated pizzagate was BS. What I am saying is that my judgment then has changed. What this also says is that I am able to change my views on matters when I have additional information even if that change of opinion means I look like a fool for having my prior judgment.

    I would rather be honest than have to always be right.

    Tomorrow I will cover the data points.
    Regrettably, personal matters arose which have consumed my Monday. Also I will be mostly indisposed for the next few weeks. I will have to delay fulfillment of my promise to produce the various data points referred to in the above post. I take my promise seriously and plan to make good on this as soon as I have the time and stamina to create the proper post the PA community deserves.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Quote Posted by TODD & NORA (here)
    Kanye was and has been smoking serious weed laced with PCP and doing too much blow mixed with Molly. He spent all his money and had to fake a robbery to get insurance money. He has a history of nervous breakdowns. He created his problems. As for pizza gate, it is a political psyop to keep you busy on the Clinton conspiracy track. It is as real as the Elders of Zion was real. Wake the **** up people. You are being manipulated.
    After a lengthy analysis of the pizzaagate thing, I would put my money on TODD & NORA calling this one right. I feel like a fool that I was played. Does this mean I am not open minded with regards to claims of organized child sex trafficking, SRA and SRH&AS? Not at all... but in the case of pizzagate, I think we have been sorely had.
    I just got back into a position to post (respond to others after my post of January 8 that I quoted above).

    12 days have passed and there's a great deal new "information" as well as posts on this forum which put me in a position where what I wanted to expand upon 12 days ago is rendered semi-obselete.

    But there was one of several points I wished to raise that still applies. Before I make this point, I want to ask folks the following.

    Is "pizzagate" all and only the purported scandal(s) that directly involved Comet Pizza or is the term "pizzagate" used to point to something that may or may not involve specifically Comet Pizza but that definitely implies something along the lines of -

    "There's an elite driven, well organized network of folks involved in pedophilia and perhaps even more - that more being SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and SRH&AS (Satanic Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice)."

    The answer to this is important for me to write my response and I hope folks weigh in on this so I feel there's a consensus about the meaning of the term "pizzagate."
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Thanks for getting back to this Sam. For me the answer is two.

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    The origin of the pizza reference is the Wikileaks emails, not Comet Ping Pong, that was only a part of what was discovered when people were looking into the emails containing the weird code talk, so it's this -

    Quote or is the term "pizzagate" used to point to something that may or may not involve specifically Comet Pizza but that definitely implies something along the lines of -

    "There's an elite driven, well organized network of folks involved in pedophilia and perhaps even more - that more being SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and SRH&AS (Satanic Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice)."
    Update: Good article => Pizzagate: Podesta Pedo Perps and Clinton’s International Child Sex Trafficking Ring Exposed
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    Default Re: Kanye West hospitalized, under psychiatric evaluation

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    For me, 'Pizzagate' has always been about
    Quote "There's an elite driven, well organized network of folks involved in pedophilia and perhaps even more - that more being SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and SRH&AS (Satanic Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice)."
    Some people are purposefully trying to defuse this by TRYING to make it seem as if it's all about James Alefantis. (Of course it's not.)

    It's the same kind of tactic as trying to say that anyone wanting to discuss the limitation of immigration is a racist. In many cases — but of course not all — its purpose is to shut down legitimate discussion of an important topic, altogether.

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    Steve Bannon's play is scorched earth. Trust no one except dear leader. The pedophile networks cross all party lines and class. Personally I believe it is fueled by POVERTY (people sell their kids) the glut of aggressive pornography in advertising, predatory porn on the internet, and sex addiction. It is run by criminal networks and is growing faster than drugs or weapons.

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    Ok (enfoldedblue, Innocent Warrior and Bill - thanks!) - this is an important clarification because when I made my post, my reference to "pizzagate" was meant strictly and only with regard to the Comet Pizza element. And why? Because much of the mainstream media uses the word "pizzagate" all and only in reference to what happened in relation to Comet Pizza.

    So my post of January 8th came about based on my own wonderment as to what happened with TODD & NORA, two folks who I do not know in any way other than their interesting posts on PA which I have followed to some extent over the years (which includes some PA posting name changes if I also recall correctly).

    At that time (Jan 8) I went back and read T&N's last several posts and it appeared to me that they felt they were being attacked by posters for stating their opinion (and perhaps a view that is backed by information they have which they believe comes from reliable sources) that the "Comet Pizza" aspect of the whole affair was actually a psyop. The primary reason I opened my mind that in fact it may very well be a psyop was when that B actor guy, Edgar Maddison Welch, went to "free the imprisoned children" with a few weapons. This was at the same time there was this major media blitz against what they wished to label as "fake news" all at the same time some new US Federal laws appeared which I could see being used as the tool that "some folks" (prosecutors) might use to get some of the alternative media shut down. Note, just after the Welch event, Megan Kelley went after Alex Jones and I noted that he seemed to have cleaned all his videos and website of all references to Comet Pizza and I have yet to hear him use the term "pizzagate" since (though maybe he has).

    Based on all the above, I started to make odds higher than 50 / 50 that the Comet Pizza component to the overall story was an attempt to distract from what really may be going on (which I make odds almost 100% it really is going on) as well as to strengthen the ability for "authorities" to shut down REAL NEWS that comes forth from the alternative community... news which the MSM would never ever come out with, in hopes that the dark cabal folks might somehow pass through the eye of the needle they find themselves confronted with of late.

    THAT is what bothered me about the Comet Pizza thing and then I started to feel pretty bad that (at least it appeared to me) TODD & NORA left the forum for stating their opinion (and perhaps telling folks the opinion was informed) and were treated pretty roughly for doing so.

    So now to the first point. Why would folks on PA run off sources of information and opinion such as TODD & NORA, especially when their posts demonstrate some degree of "insider" position? It doesn't mean they are right and speculators are wrong. It doesn't mean that there can't be folks out there who are on some sort of payroll or who have some sort of motivation to intentionally promote disinfo here at PA (as they might on any other forum). I just thought we could do better than that. I do not know of or have any information that TODD or NORA are involved in anything which is abusive to others... so why would the posts go so hard on them such that they would retire?

    Apologies I was unable to make this post when I should have but personal matters prevented it. Good personal matters, but personal and priority one matters.
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    Perhaps as former CIA Robert David Steele says in this video posted on the pizzagate thread, it might be best to call this "pedogate."

    the video again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KgZyJpLPO0
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    Thanks Sam. Personally I saw the initial Comet Pizza as a real glitch in the façade, a little tear that showed a bit of what was really occurring in the bowels of society. This little tear got a lot of attention, enough to get implicated people worried...and in order to stem the run from this tear, that had the potential to shatter the façade, damage control was quickly administered. The mainstream media megaphones began yelling about FAKE NEWS, and a flase flag was organized to show just how dangerous the people who believe this fake news really are. This is my take...but I certainly have no inside info...just what it looks like from my side of the keyboard. I have no idea about Todd and Nora.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    For me, 'Pizzagate' has always been about
    Quote "There's an elite driven, well organized network of folks involved in pedophilia and perhaps even more - that more being SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and SRH&AS (Satanic Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice)."
    Some people are purposefully trying to defuse this by TRYING to make it seem as if it's all about James Alefantis. (Of course it's not.)

    It's the same kind of tactic as trying to say that anyone wanting to discuss the limitation of immigration is a racist. In many cases — but of course not all — its purpose is to shut down legitimate discussion of an important topic, altogether.
    Seconded.

    But I think Alefantis is also guilty as hell. There's too much perverse stuff around him, from his connection to the Podestas, to his bizarre-ass Instagram photos that he removed from public view, to the fact that his business is across the street from people associated with the Clinton Foundation who were messing around in Haiti. When all of this started getting public attention I believe they easily arranged for a nut to come shoot off a round in their restaurant in order to attract sympathy. Easiest thing in the world to do and proves nothing about anything.

    Alefantis was also ranked as one of the most powerful people in Washington DC and met personally with Obama at the White House multiple times. Supposedly he's just a pizza shop owner. What's up with that? Met personally with Obama on the same day as human trafficking advisors.

    As if to stress the "pizza" code connection even more, check this out:

    Quote Dojo Pizza raided in alleged human trafficking ring

    Posted: Oct 23, 2015 3:33 PM EDT
    Updated: Oct 24, 2015 6:26 PM EDT

    ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOV.com) -- Federal agents, along with officers with the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department, raided Dojo Pizza on Morganford Road in connection with an alleged human trafficking ring Friday afternoon.

    Police on the scene say seven girls under the age of 17 were found "housed' in the establishment.

    "What we witnessed was them kicking down doors of the church and everything, said Cleven James."This supposed to be Dojo and a pizza joint, at the same time the community trusted that their kids go here. Parents drop them off, like a baby siting think or whatever. But they leave their kids here and to learn karate."

    Dojo Pizza, located in St. Louis' Bevo Mill neighborhood, also offers Karate and self defense classes, as well as dance lessons, their website states. They are listed as a Non For Profit Company.

    "It's real shocking because the man, he's been there for three to four years," said Helen David, a business owner in the area. "The intent was that he was keeping kids out of trouble and he did karate. They did dance. They sold pizza. I bought pizza from him."

    "I would say it's very popular with kids," one resident near Dojo Pizza said. "I noticed girls there dressed very comfortably, booty shorts, short shorts, pajama pants, and sleeping shorts." One resident even claims to have heard screaming coming from inside the building saying it happened about a month ago and sounded like two girls shouting "help me."

    No charges have been filed, but News 4 crews on scene saw one person being taken into custody. No other information was made immediately available.
    http://www.kmov.com/story/30336833/d...afficking-ring


    How much you want to bet someone planted in law enforcement shut that investigation down too. "No charges have been filed." But the owner was charged with possession of child pornography in an unrelated case. So that tells you something.

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    to AVftM,

    You have always done excellent research. I also have no doubt that your heart is in it all. It is just my opinion that despite how much research we do, we still could get something wrong. It is possible. It is within the possibility set. Maybe someone reading this has the 100% certainty about Comet Pizza and/or Alefantis. Anyone that does surely has that right.

    Yet none of the above has anything to do with my point. The point being that a forum like this is degraded when we run folks off who have alternative views based on their own sources of information, based on their own research, based on their own opinions and based on their own capacity to believe something may actually be going on or not.

    Let's play hypothetical for a moment... let's say someone (anyone) as a reader reads posts like the ones I saw by T&N and others that all seemed to lead up to T&N's retirement. And they have made up their mind that T&N are flat out wrong. They must then consider, are they wrong innocently, are they instead "part of the evil cabal network, doing their part to spread disinfo and perhaps even 'in on things' quite nefarious" or is there other possibilities in between and outside these two extremes? Why not try and find out first?

    The only way I can see to do this is to engage in a civil way, showing respect that folks can have their varying views and then consider engaging folks via PM and other private methods. If all those fail and someone decides a poster or a group of connected posters may be "bad guys" (a very tricky thing to outright throw on anybody), why not contact some of the staff that may know more, have more knowledge about the sources and/or the subjects, etc. as opposed to just running folks off?

    Having said all this I am hoping someone reading this might question my own authenticity in making the above statement. I will be happy to address this if the questions arise.

    Now I also have another important point but it is a point I am uncomfortable in making in a public post. I will be e-mailing the staff to raise my additional concern shortly and if the staff believes it is wise I post this second point, then I will. If anyone here PMs me about this, I will also respond after I have received the response back from the staff.
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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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