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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    Xidaijena, hello.

    I saw this article that this particular Chinese government is committing what appears to be human rights violations, forcibly displacing citizens in a very pretty area. Apparently the citizens had no say in the matter, kicked out, and not compensated in any fair and acceptable way. Seems to me a government based on those "Communistic Principles" that can do that really is not so nice? If the State says 'this is how it will be' there is no freedom to say otherwise, correct? Haven't we seen this sort of State-organized abuse before, communities being kicked out because the State wants something, and the people can not say otherwise? In other words, there is no EQUALITY across the board, there are superiors who set policy and there are workers who serve that superior, right?

    Quote China is creating/building a massive Five-hundred-metre Aperture Spherical Telescope (FAST) in the country's southwest, which began operations in September and cost 1.2 billion yuan ($180 million) to build, is the world's largest radio telescope.

    Once fully operational, FAST will be able to peer deeper into space than ever before, examining pulsars, dark matter and gravitational waves—and searching for signs of life.

    Authorities also hope it will bring tourist dollars to the province of Guizhou, one of China's poorest regions.



    But it comes at the cost of forcibly displacing about 9,000 villagers who called the site in Pingtang county their home.

    Many were outraged at being forced to leave the valley surrounded by forested karst hills and hundreds of families are now suing the government, with some cases being heard this week.
    Octogenarian Han Jingfu drank pesticide days after being made to sign a relocation contract and died at his front door, neighbours and relatives said.

    China built FAST as part of efforts to take on international rivals and raise its embarrassingly low tally of Nobel Prizes, explained Peng Bo, director of China's National Astronomical Observatories, which oversees the telescope.

    The 500-metre-wide (1,640 feet) dish dwarfs its nearest competitor, the US's Puerto Rico-based Arecibo telescope, which is only 305 metres across.


    Source article at: http://phys.org/news/2016-11-aliens-...-huge.html#jCp

    The Guardian (UK) said this:

    Quote Massive relocation projects have long been a Communist party specialty.

    Millions of Chinese citizens have been displaced in recent decades to make way for hydro-electric dams and other infrastructure projects or as part of “poverty alleviation” schemes.

    Those forced from their homes often complain of poor compensation.
    It just seems that in reality, looking at projects such as this and more massive, under the concept that "Only Communism Can Save Mankind", poverty is not alleviated, citizens displaced, and a "glorious" technological Communist party reigns supreme over citizens. The OP title thread says "Only Communism can Save mankind" - with such projects abuse apparently of human rights, property/land, it seems contradictory and glossing over issues such as technological advancement at the expense of humanity. What am I missing?

    If the existing "Communism" system as applied in China currently is not "working as it 'should' " would the people then up-rise and overthrow the unworkable parts of the system? In other words, force Xuefeng-style communism on the government, the population, taking apart that unworkable existing system? How can a peaceful revolution/evolution evoke positive change against those who forcibly harm it's citizens?

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    I must strongly disagree... communism is a path to suffering ... the human being will always yearn for freedom... one person telling everyone else what they can and cannot do , history teaches us that way fails in every time it is tried... jehovah and Allah have been trying for over 2,000 years and all it has done is create hatred, war, and suffering ... the way to save the world is each person being responsible for themslves, for thir thoughts , actions, and feelings... limiting what they choose so as not to cause harm to others ... freedom , love, harmony , peace is the way , as long as we look to anything outside self responsibility the world will continue to stumble around in the darkness , like it has for 389,000 years , cultures rise and fall , kings, idols, leaders come and go, at the end of it all , its the sum of the choices of the person in the mirror, incorrect thinking leading to bad choices, leading to the law of causality... you reap what you sow ...you grow what you plant, you live in the words you speak , you speak from your thoughts, correct thnking is the starting point, the ETs say we have 740 more years before we get it ...the answer is inside you, waiting, that still small inner voice ...

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    In the English language, 'Communism' is rather a 'loaded' word, as we say.

    It has so many connotations and so much historical baggage, and often triggers so many thoughts, feelings and images, that it might be best (safer!) to use another term: maybe something like 'organized communal living'.
    It must be very difficult to establish alternative communities in a country that is as unfree and controlled as China. The Chinese state is very eager to not allow people to be sovereign, therefore any creation of an alternative community seems to me like a massive feat, more so than in many other countries.

    I assume that state surveillance poses a constant threat to alternative communities in China, therefore it's probably helping the cause of any alternative community in China to publicly praise 'communism,' cause it may just appease state authorities.

    It's marvelous that a person from China can share her experiences about her community here on the forum with people who are mostly from a very different culture.
    Thank you, dear friend. This is also the reason that I want to thank Bill for giving me the chance to share.

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    Quote Posted by Warlock (here)
    So who is going to be in charge of this grand utopia and how much wealth are THEY going to accumulate at the expense of those that will be enslaved by this system?


    Warlock
    Guide Xuefeng will be in charge of this grand utopia and every member has the chance to freely use money in the community. But few members will use. Because, we are already having everything in the community. You can ask the member who is in charge of procurement to buy anything you need.

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    Well, to be fair, rather than thinking about "isms" or the Chinese state...click through the links on xidaijena's signature and there's the direct examples.

    There is a pretty fair amount of New Age-y belief system, but no religion, no birthdays, no family, no organization, no crime, no newborns, at least according to them. They did tell the president of China they had successfully achieved communism. The state did shut down their locations for a year or two. Yunnan is traditionally matriarchal without the typical "nuclear family".

    It sounds a lot like "volunteerism", you work six hours six days a week, basic needs are taken care of. There really didn't seem to be anything we could call "government". Now, this place is probably not going to invent the next super-computer or spaceship or anything like that, and so to some extent it will always rely on the "outside world" for materials. But over time they anticipate starting 256 locations world-wide. It wouldn't be to everyone's liking to choose such a lifestyle, but I don't see why it wouldn't work out for some.
    I hope there will be a branch of New Oasis for Life Community in US.

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    In simple terms people caring and people sharing is what everyone needs to do. Dont understand why we have to complicate things. communism socialism and all the ism are merely labels. Fact is no "ism" can save humanity. People realizing that we are one can.
    Sorry, I can't agree with what you say here. I think not every one knows that we are one. Even though you are living in a community ( or eco-villages), you need to solve the relationships among other members. Saying that we are one is one thing, but acting as we are one is another thing. Only you did it that I can agree with what you say.
    He is correct. The point is that it doesn't matter what model we come up with, its the illusion that keeps corrupting everything. The illusion of separation must be overcome for true peace and sharing, because you are only giving to yourself by sharing. We need to have enough people reach the "Yellow" Stage of pyschological development (Sprial Dynamics). This is the stage of integration of opposites. Breaking the illusion of duality. Last I heard about 15 years ago, maybe 3% of the west achieved that stage.

    I can build a utopia community of 10 people. That is not much of a reality. Its not hard to find 10 highly evolved beings to do that. THe problem is large scale. How are you going to stop the psychopaths and crazed egomaniacs from ruining everything? They have all the power and resources already.

    Even if you take 1000 amazing people and build a perfect community, you are building an All-Star team of 1000 people from 8 billion. lol It is like picking the top 1000 musicians and saying, look what everyone can achieve thru music. The people with no musical talent will need to have a massive psychological awakening in order to develop like those 1000 All-Star musicians.

    Yes, it could set an example and grow from there like a seed. But, billions of buffoons are mind controlled and are very very greedy.
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    Xidaijena and the rest of Celestials,


    I trust you mean well but there is lots we have learned about today’s human society already, your vision is too big to be contained in short time,
    outside of modern China,
    small communities can be built on similar ideals and survive long as possible,
    small and even partially self sustainable communities

    but we all depend on the larger whole
    where you inevitably bump into predators of human race.

    Anyone who try to claim the power of heaven and earth at uneven times were hosted out of their own residencies and empires, be they metaphorical ,
    and sent to wander to the world out there,

    the not so safe , not so well baked bullion headed world out there
    to get a full experience and appreciation of human life and mind.

    True to your high ideals, ultimately the choice always rests upon the people.



    Peace to you 🙏🌟🙏🕊🕊🕊 and many blessings on your Way,
    that’s only one.

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    If Xuefeng is in charge, its not really a utopia. Heirachies are not very advanced. If the body had to wait on a Chief Neuron to make decisions for the whole body, it would be dead instantly. A holoarchy is an interconnected network with nobody in charge and everyone empowered, although i suppose could have some degree of leadership. The body is a holoarchy, since its far more complex than our government systems. A heirarchy will collapse after a certain level of complexity.

    If the Xuefeng community becomes highly successful, grows and starts gaining power and influence. Let the attacks begin. Infiltration and endless resources and advanced tech to make sure the "Utopia" will not be competition or threat to the overlords. lol

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    Unlike Capitalism, that can operate in any environment alongside any other method of commerce, for communism to actually work properly it must be global and the only system sanctioned.

    If one has become immersed in capitalism, where the merits of an individual determine their advancement, communism seems like the preferred method of the lazy and non-ambitious.

    Nothing builds wealth faster than unbridled and unmitigated greed. Capitalism fosters just those qualities. Communism emphasizes cooperation and rejects personal ownership and gives to each according to their needs. Who is more needy than the needy? So one system uplifts the poor, the other system uplifts the wealthy. If both co-exist, which do you think will gather more wealth faster?

    For these reasons and many more, the communists are the globalists and their objective is to destroy the capitalist market of the 'free' world and impose their communist playbook upon the world. If they are successful we will not like the transition not one bit...

    A form of communism might be the ideal way forward but there will always be those who wish to 'capitalize' on their ideas and hoard the profits for themselves. In a communist world such individuals will have to be eliminated. The problem with that is that those individuals are the personification of 'individualism' - the first victim of communism.
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    Quote Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
    Quote Posted by xidaijena (here)
    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    In simple terms people caring and people sharing is what everyone needs to do. Dont understand why we have to complicate things. communism socialism and all the ism are merely labels. Fact is no "ism" can save humanity. People realizing that we are one can.
    Sorry, I can't agree with what you say here. I think not every one knows that we are one. Even though you are living in a community ( or eco-villages), you need to solve the relationships among other members. Saying that we are one is one thing, but acting as we are one is another thing. Only you did it that I can agree with what you say.
    He is correct. The point is that it doesn't matter what model we come up with, its the illusion that keeps corrupting everything. The illusion of separation must be overcome for true peace and sharing, because you are only giving to yourself by sharing. We need to have enough people reach the "Yellow" Stage of pyschological development (Sprial Dynamics). This is the stage of integration of opposites. Breaking the illusion of duality. Last I heard about 15 years ago, maybe 3% of the west achieved that stage.

    I can build a utopia community of 10 people. That is not much of a reality. Its not hard to find 10 highly evolved beings to do that. THe problem is large scale. How are you going to stop the psychopaths and crazed egomaniacs from ruining everything? They have all the power and resources already.

    Even if you take 1000 amazing people and build a perfect community, you are building an All-Star team of 1000 people from 8 billion. lol It is like picking the top 1000 musicians and saying, look what everyone can achieve thru music. The people with no musical talent will need to have a massive psychological awakening in order to develop like those 1000 All-Star musicians.

    Yes, it could set an example and grow from there like a seed. But, billions of buffoons are mind controlled and are very very greedy.
    Hi Merkaba360, thank you for your questions. I value them a lot.

    So this is why we shall learn Lifechanyuan values and perfect our soul garden. And besides, our community can't have 1000 people in every branch. The maximum number of each branch will less than 300 people. This is Xuefeng's demand. He tells us it is copied from the thousand-year world. and every member will live in every branch only for three years. so this may reduce the problem you mean.

    How to solve the problem you mention?

    1. First: learn 800 values for New Era Human Being and Xuefeng's Articles
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/fe811c90a...c810f005716da3

    2. Second: Live in the New Oasis for Life Communities
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/dc09cb64c...e5befb453e417e

    Only living in it, you can meet the people who share the same values and have some nice hobbies. You will work with them, play with them and sublimate with them together. You just need to do one job that you like, and we will have monthly party to let you learn how to sing and dance, we also have games for you to happily play. The most important thing is that you can find true love without any conditions. Sex and Love is free in our community, but when you want to control somebody, you will feel guity in your heart and if you hurt somebody's heart or body, you will be out from the community.We also have life meetings to solve daily problems.

    BTW...We will and hope to build 256 branches of our communities around the world. So you may know, if you are one of our members, you will have many chance to visit different places' views and meet so many nice people. So, your love and frequency will surely get improved, right?

    Hope my answer can help you to undersrtand more about our community. Thank you so much.

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    Xidaijena and the rest of Celestials,


    I trust you mean well but there is lots we have learned about today’s human society already, your vision is too big to be contained in short time,
    outside of modern China,
    small communities can be built on similar ideals and survive long as possible,
    small and even partially self sustainable communities

    but we all depend on the larger whole
    where you inevitably bump into predators of human race.

    Anyone who try to claim the power of heaven and earth at uneven times were hosted out of their own residencies and empires, be they metaphorical ,
    and sent to wander to the world out there,

    the not so safe , not so well baked bullion headed world out there
    to get a full experience and appreciation of human life and mind.

    True to your high ideals, ultimately the choice always rests upon the people.



    Peace to you 🙏🌟🙏🕊🕊🕊 and many blessings on your Way,
    that’s only one.
    "the not so safe , not so well baked bullion headed world out there
    to get a full experience and appreciation of human life and mind."

    Hi Agape, thank you for you kind words and concern, I got you. But plz understand, we, Lifechanyuan and chanyuan members are not normal persons who are just wanting to live a greedy life. Our wish is to build a new life model for all human beings to make Mother Earth become a paradise. I know that, there will be large people not accepting our life model. they can't live simple life as we do. We just look for small number of kind people who are from heaven. They will and already did what we do. Just like the Thailand branch, there are already many Buddists doing and liking our lifemodel. We just need to find them. Besides, there are also many people contacting me from China or other countries, they are also liking our community. I do believe that the Greatest Creator will help us and Tao (the consciousness /will of the Greatest Creator) will arrange. We, chanyuan memebers, are just doing what we shall do.


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    You appear to have come to the Project Avalon forum with a personal agenda to push, which is really not what this forum is for.
    I hope you will save us all some time and effort by finding a better venue for your purpose, but I think you will find this is not the place.
    Quote Posted by xidaijena (here)

    Hi Merkaba360, thank you for your questions. I value them a lot.

    So this is why we shall learn Lifechanyuan values and perfect our soul garden. And besides, our community can't have 1000 people in every branch. The maximum number of each branch will less than 300 people. This is Xuefeng's demand. He tells us it is copied from the thousand-year world. and every member will live in every branch only for three years. so this may reduce the problem you mean.

    How to solve the problem you mention?

    1. First: learn 800 values for New Era Human Being and Xuefeng's Articles
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/fe811c90a...c810f005716da3

    2. Second: Live in the New Oasis for Life Communities
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/dc09cb64c...e5befb453e417e

    Only living in it, you can meet the people who share the same values and have some nice hobbies. You will work with them, play with them and sublimate with them together. You just need to do one job that you like, and we will have monthly party to let you learn how to sing and dance, we also have games for you to happily play. The most important thing is that you can find true love without any conditions. Sex and Love is free in our community, but when you want to control somebody, you will feel guity in your heart and if you hurt somebody's heart or body, you will be out from the community.We also have life meetings to solve daily problems.

    BTW...We will and hope to build 256 branches of our communities around the world. So you may know, if you are one of our members, you will have many chance to visit different places' views and meet so many nice people. So, your love and frequency will surely get improved, right?

    Hope my answer can help you to undersrtand more about our community. Thank you so much.
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    Quote Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
    If Xuefeng is in charge, its not really a utopia. Heirachies are not very advanced. If the body had to wait on a Chief Neuron to make decisions for the whole body, it would be dead instantly. A holoarchy is an interconnected network with nobody in charge and everyone empowered, although i suppose could have some degree of leadership. The body is a holoarchy, since its far more complex than our government systems. A heirarchy will collapse after a certain level of complexity.

    If the Xuefeng community becomes highly successful, grows and starts gaining power and influence. Let the attacks begin. Infiltration and endless resources and advanced tech to make sure the "Utopia" will not be competition or threat to the overlords. lol
    Hi Merkaba360, your questions are sharp but I do like to answer simply.

    First, Guide Xuefeng is the founder of Lifechanyuan Community, but he is also a chanyuan member.
    In society, the person who has the money has the power.
    But in our community, money is open or public in the inner webbsite. Money can only be used for the communities.
    Guide Xuefeng once worked in Zimbabwe and denated one million RMB to build the community in Yunnan, and now he is still working for Canada branch with his wife. and make money for the whole community.

    In the community, he only has the right to write articles and point out some members' problem, but whether the member can correct or notice his/her problem, it still depends on himself/herself. Besides, Guide Xuefeng is also an imperfect person. He also needs chanyuan members to find his faults. Who are Lifechanyuan's boss? I think, the Greatest Cretaor is. Why do I say so? Because, our heart will tell you it is true. Because we do believe in the Greatest Creator, we are already seeing and noticing the power of the Greatest Creator. When we do the right things, we will feel happy in our heart and feel grateful to the Greatest Creator. But when we do wrong things, we will feel painful in our heart and may get sick. This is also the law of Karma of punishment of the Tao. So I guess, all of you are luckier than us who are Chinese people. The Greatest Creator is strict to Chinese people in somehow.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Unlike Capitalism, that can operate in any environment alongside any other method of commerce, for communism to actually work properly it must be global and the only system sanctioned.

    If one has become immersed in capitalism, where the merits of an individual determine their advancement, communism seems like the preferred method of the lazy and non-ambitious.

    Nothing builds wealth faster than unbridled and unmitigated greed. Capitalism fosters just those qualities. Communism emphasizes cooperation and rejects personal ownership and gives to each according to their needs. Who is more needy than the needy? So one system uplifts the poor, the other system uplifts the wealthy. If both co-exist, which do you think will gather more wealth faster?

    For these reasons and many more, the communists are the globalists and their objective is to destroy the capitalist market of the 'free' world and impose their communist playbook upon the world. If they are successful we will not like the transition not one bit...

    A form of communism might be the ideal way forward but there will always be those who wish to 'capitalize' on their ideas and hoard the profits for themselves. In a communist world such individuals will have to be eliminated. The problem with that is that those individuals are the personification of 'individualism' - the first victim of communism.
    Hi Ernie Nemeth, plz allow me to use one of Guide Xuefeng's article to reply your question, okay? To be honest, your questions are difficult for me to think. Becasue, I do care little about capitalism. Hope you can forgive my simple thinking.

    这个共产主义社区不仇富
    雪峰

    一提起共产主义,有些人想当然地认为就是“共产共妻”,其实不是那样的,比如生命禅院创建的第二家园这个共产主义社区就不“共产共妻”。
    首先,这个共产主义社区里没有婚姻和家庭,所以不存在夫妻关系,既然没有夫妻关系,当然就没有“共妻”现象。
    其次,这个共产主义社区内部,一切属于家园所有,社区生活的成员一律做到了一无所有拥有一切,但没有实行强制的“共产”,也就是说,成员愿意给家园奉献,欢迎!若不愿意奉献,你可以保持你自己的财产,这一切都完全 建立在自觉自愿的基础之上。对于家园外部,我们不仇富,不提倡以任何借口和理由去剥夺甚至抢夺富人的利益。
    平均主义是社会最大的剥削和不公正,“均贫富”心理和做法不仅伤害靠勤劳创造积累了财富的富人,更是对社会生产力和创造性的极大破坏,维护富人们的利益就是维护社会的公正。
    积累财富不是一件简单容易的事,拥有财富的人比没有财富的人要付出更多的艰辛,要冒更大的风险,要克服更多的困难,要动更多的心思,要有更多的创造,他们创造财富的过程就是为社会奉献的过程,一个公正的社会,应当 是富人越多越好。
    所以,我们这个共产主义社区的存在与社会上富人的存在没有一点矛盾,我们没有仇富心理,相反,我们尊重靠勤劳、智慧、节俭、创造积累了财富的富人们,这就像牡丹和玫瑰,可以和谐地共存于社会中。
    我们永远不会去做剥夺富人利益的事,相反,我们维护富人的利益不受侵犯,因为我们也是富人,我们的富裕主要体现在精神和心灵领域,一个精神和心灵领域富足的共产主义社区不会去伤害物质上富足的人们。
    社会应该是多元化的,不应该千篇一律,应该允许各种生产和生活方式的存在,不应该搞“一刀切,”公民愿意过什么样的生活,应当给予选择的权力,政府不应当“打土豪,分田地,”谁愿意过传统的婚姻家庭生活,就让他们 过,谁愿意过共产主义生活,就让他们过,谁愿意一辈子独身,应当受到尊重,谁愿意勤奋劳作创造过资本主义生活,也应当受到尊重。
    消灭资本主义,绝对是错误的思想和做法,那是对勤劳者和善于创造者的打击和摧残,是对社会生产力的极大破坏,不符合自然法则。
    消灭共产主义,绝对是人类史上最野蛮、最残忍、最无情的思想和做法,那是对广大勤劳、善良、纯朴、守信、真诚者美好心灵的摧残和亵渎,是人间最没有仁慈心的表现,是没有人性的标志,必然会导致社会的混乱和暴力,使 社会失去正常的秩序,结果是谁也活不好。
    人类社会的文明发展到今天,一切事务应当以人为中心展开,所有的法律法规想法做法都应当最大限度做到不伤害人,和谐永远是文明发展的主题,而和谐,主要是人与人之间的和谐,只要人与人之间和谐,社会就会和谐,只要 社会和谐,人与大自然的关系就能做到和谐。
    发展经济,要靠富人,穷人是发展不了经济的,所以,社会要尊重富人。
    保障社会的和谐稳定长治久安,要靠共产主义,富人是保障不了社会的和谐稳定和长治久安的,所以,要鼓励和发展共产主义社区。
    2013/5/16

    Google Translation:

    This communist community does not hate the rich
    Xuefeng

    When it comes to communism, some people take it for granted that it is a "communist communist wife", but it is not like that. For example, the communist community, the second home created by the Life Zen Academy, is not a "communist communist wife."
    First of all, there is no marriage or family in this communist community, so there is no husband and wife relationship. Since there is no husband and wife relationship, of course there is no "co-wife" phenomenon.
    Secondly, in this communist community, everything belongs to the homeland. All members of the community have achieved nothing and everything, but there is no compulsory "community", that is, members are willing to contribute to their homeland, welcome! If you are unwilling to give, you can keep your own property, all of which are based entirely on voluntariness. Regarding the outside of our homeland, we do not hate the rich, and do not advocate depriving or even snatching the interests of the rich with any excuses and reasons.
    Equalitarianism is the greatest exploitation and injustice in society. The psychology and practice of "equalizing the rich and the poor" not only harms the rich who have accumulated wealth through hard work, but also greatly destroys social productivity and creativity. Safeguarding the interests of the rich is safeguarding Social justice.
    It is not a simple and easy task to accumulate wealth. People with wealth have to pay more hardships, take greater risks, overcome more difficulties, move more thoughts, and have more thoughts than those without wealth. More creation, their process of creating wealth is a process of dedication to the society, a just society should have more rich people, the better.
    Therefore, there is no contradiction between the existence of our communist community and the existence of the rich in society. We do not have the psychology of hatred for the rich. On the contrary, we respect the rich who have accumulated wealth through hard work, wisdom, frugality, and creation, just like peony and Roses can coexist harmoniously in society.
    We will never do things that deprive the rich of the interests of the rich. On the contrary, we protect the interests of the rich from infringement, because we are also rich. Our wealth is mainly reflected in the spiritual and spiritual realms, a communist that is rich in spiritual and spiritual realms. The socialist community will not harm materially rich people.
    Society should be diversified, should not be the same, should allow the existence of various production and lifestyles, should not engage in "one size fits all," what kind of life citizens are willing to live, should be given the right to choose, and the government should not "beat local tyrants," Divide the fields, "Whoever wants to live a traditional marriage and family life, let them live, whoever wants to live a communist life, let them live, whoever wants to be single for a lifetime should be respected, and whoever is willing to work hard to create a capitalist life, also Should be respected.
    The elimination of capitalism is absolutely wrong thinking and practice. It is a blow and destruction to the hardworking and good creators, a great destruction of social productivity, and does not conform to the laws of nature.
    The elimination of communism is definitely the most barbaric, cruel, and ruthless thought and practice in human history. It is the destruction and blasphemy of the beautiful hearts of the industrious, kind, innocent, trustworthy, and sincere, and it is the most unkind expression in the world. , Is a sign of inhumanity, it will inevitably lead to social chaos and violence, causing society to lose its normal order, and as a result, no one can live well.
    The civilization of human society has developed to this day, all affairs should be people-centered, and all laws, regulations, ideas and practices should be done to the greatest extent not to harm people. Harmony is always the theme of civilization development, and harmony is mainly between people. As long as people are harmonious, society will be harmonious. As long as society is harmonious, the relationship between man and nature can be harmonious.
    The development of the economy depends on the rich. The poor cannot develop the economy. Therefore, the society must respect the rich.
    To ensure the harmony and stability of the society, we must rely on communism. The rich cannot guarantee the harmony, stability and long-term stability of the society. Therefore, we must encourage and develop the communist community.
    2013/5/16

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You appear to have come to the Project Avalon forum with a personal agenda to push, which is really not what this forum is for.
    I hope you will save us all some time and effort by finding a better venue for your purpose, but I think you will find this is not the place.
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    Hi Merkaba360, thank you for your questions. I value them a lot.

    So this is why we shall learn Lifechanyuan values and perfect our soul garden. And besides, our community can't have 1000 people in every branch. The maximum number of each branch will less than 300 people. This is Xuefeng's demand. He tells us it is copied from the thousand-year world. and every member will live in every branch only for three years. so this may reduce the problem you mean.

    How to solve the problem you mention?

    1. First: learn 800 values for New Era Human Being and Xuefeng's Articles
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/fe811c90a...c810f005716da3

    2. Second: Live in the New Oasis for Life Communities
    https://chanyuan.org/guide/dc09cb64c...e5befb453e417e

    Only living in it, you can meet the people who share the same values and have some nice hobbies. You will work with them, play with them and sublimate with them together. You just need to do one job that you like, and we will have monthly party to let you learn how to sing and dance, we also have games for you to happily play. The most important thing is that you can find true love without any conditions. Sex and Love is free in our community, but when you want to control somebody, you will feel guity in your heart and if you hurt somebody's heart or body, you will be out from the community.We also have life meetings to solve daily problems.

    BTW...We will and hope to build 256 branches of our communities around the world. So you may know, if you are one of our members, you will have many chance to visit different places' views and meet so many nice people. So, your love and frequency will surely get improved, right?

    Hope my answer can help you to undersrtand more about our community. Thank you so much.
    Sorry, dear onawah, I can't understand what you mean.
    Can you express your opinion more clearly?

    It seems that you mean I bother you here? Or I bother project Avalon members? If it is, oh, I'm so sorry. I just want to politely reply all of your questions. I don't want to push my thinking or my community's values on any body. just because you reply my post and share your thinking, I share my thinking, too.

    Only share not push. Hope you can understand me. Thanks.

    And if Bill also thinks I am pushing my ideas to all of you, okay, I will stop to reply on this post.

    Come on, is it because I am a Chinese who has strong will to challenging all your faith or diffferent culture values? So you feel pushed? Oh my, I also feel pushed by all of you before. Especailly when my English is weak...lol

    Okay, hope we are just chatting for fun not for battle.

    Let me share a nice song with you.

    Don't worry, be happy



    And this video shows: we are the same from child.



    Hope you can get me.

    Have a nice day and be happy.

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    I cannot even read this original post. This is the softening they are hoping for. Communism doesnt work because its not the "ism"
    its the human being that is the problem.

    show me an example of this system that works ? envy and greed is in the human, desiring, wanting, cheating and gaming the system.

    you will never get anyone to even things out, even among good people. and forget leaders. they are power mongers and will want to control all for their benefit

    there is a saying, take all the money everywhere and distribute it equally among everyone, and in no time it will be back in the same hands it was in.

    the ideal of "commune" ism is fine among 100 people on an island. beyond that, nope.

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    We don't have methodical communities as much, but we do have less dependant communities. They're scattered across people we've worked with, studied with at different levels, people from the street we have lived on (or currently live on), friends of friends... Personal activities, hobbies, ...well, it unites us because they are things we share love for. They're things like music bands, board games, ball bearing gun shooting (not for me). Some are very private groups, others less well known public groups. Some have no activity, but an outlook or trend in common.

    I still feel a sense of community with a party crowd I haven't seen properly since 2014. Ah yes, we are one of those, here on this forum, I just realised that. We have a few common phrases that express this phenomenon, phrases that have entered popular culture like "chosen family". I think of some of my social circles as this and others as a tribe. This sense of community is typically pure anarchy that manages to live amongst, what is otherwise, a very systematic lifestyle. Sometimes we talk about UK 'communes' but it doesn't appeal to me; I can be fussy about who I want to work and live with, if I have a choice.

    I'm thinking a (UK) commune would be like marriage and work combined into one consuming lifestyle where I am dependant on people that are asleep or people that don't really care. At least I can change job. But I am envious of the closer sense of family by (and this is an idiom 'living in and out of each others pockets', but I share a smaller sense of this with the groups I'm involved with. Thinking about it there are lots of people I would risk my life for. Thinking more, one friend gave another friend a kidney.

    It's not a cohesive community, or run by a method, and it might be distributed, ...scattered... we still manage to find something like it. I'm sure there's a place for the methodical, alternative approach you have found, and I can see you love it and advocate it, which speaks for itself Oh yes... 'Communism' has been weaponised in our language. It generally serves us OK in my humble opinion, because big-state communism is an actual threat to the anarchy we like to have, in and around the system. Hope that translates well

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    There is a solution. Move to a communist country and try it out. l have a friend suffering in Venezuela who will be happy to do an exchange with you.

    then report back

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    There is a solution. Move to a communist country and try it out. l have a friend suffering in Venezuela who will be happy to do an exchange with you.

    then report back
    If he is interested in Lifechanyuan, I will be happy to communicate with him...lol

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    THanks for you responses Xidaijena,

    One thing to know is that I don't think you challenge our values as westerners. The people on this forum are quite conscious rebels who have spent decades challenging our own systems, cultures, values, etc. As well as much of the rest of the world too. So, in general, we could care less about where ideas come from, we are critical thinkers of what works.

    We have been trying to think up EVERY possible way to solve the problems we are discussing on this thread and the forum. Its great to have "communes" creating different ways of living that are more harmonious and peaceful. Maybe many can be built around the world and have some positive influence.

    As Doug and I said, we understand what he this Xuefang is doing because we have similar communities like this as well for many decades. But, the model doesn't fit most people. If they could go live there and have lots of abundance and work little, then maybe this could change more people to want to join.

    Just look at the guidelines you shared:

    1. There is no marriage and no family. Also there is no currency within the community.
    - This one is a huge NO for 70% of the population maybe. Although it could very well be changing.

    2. Love is free, but there is no sexual promiscuity or venereal disease.
    - Yea humans cant really control sex and disease. Pretty sure this is a fantasy for young people at least. Love is free? Isnt it always free? If its romantic love is free, then I'd love to see someone convince all the women of that. lol

    3. Nobody has personal belongings. Everything belongs to the community and everyone is selfless.
    - 80% of Egoic self-centered people would have to be screened and banned from joining the commune.

    4. Illness is reduced to the minimum and the average expenditure on medical care is less than ¥200RMB per person, per year.
    - THen they must have hospitals in the commune. Those machines are expensive.

    5. Every member relocates to a new facility every three years to avoid aesthetic fatigue, forming cliques, or being trapped into relationships.
    - Very few people in the world will except leaving the people they love.

    6. There are no rules and no discipline with punishment. We comply only with the natural and civilization Tao.
    - You will need Lao Tzu to decide who joins, there sure are a lot of humans who need discipline. lol

    7. We are self-sufficient. We are not supported from the outside world nor do we need to be. We do not take capitalists’ wealth.
    - So, you build your own CPU's and computers? Or you don't use technology?


    That's some of the problems. Again, its a niche market. MOST Humans will NOT go for this and will thus support the machine which will soon become their enemy.

    Please understand, that we get the idea. These communities, because they are small and full of the people who like that kind of life, can be a better place than living in the city.
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    if people were honest, respectful, fair, caring, generous and concerned for others, if they treated others as they themselves wanted to be treated then any number of systems of collective living could work.
    Even people of god and atheists would do unto others the same

    its the nature of people that is the problem , therefore I still feel the free market capiltalist democratic system is still the best of all BAD systems . it demands you show up, bring something to the table, be accountable, in a system of meritocracy. it allows you to sit back and do nothing and get nothing, or get involved and attain more .

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    This discussion on political systems can also be seen from a spiritual perspective. We come from one source of conscious energy some call God. We choose to experience individual separation from that one. Thus, it seems to me it would be natural for us to gravitate to systems that either present individualism (capitalism) or Communism (collectivism). Unfortunately, both those systems have been manipulated and inverted by negative polarity individuals. This leaves us confused because we came to this dimension to experience extreme separation and individuation, thus communism seems completely antithetical to that aim. On the other hand, the goal of individuation is to gain experience and photonic energy and merge back to source. Thus, communism has an appeal to us. However that system of governance stifles our development and suffocates individual expression. It’s important IMO not to glorify communism since many here have experienced the inversion of Capitalism and to remember that communisms inversion has resulted in horrific atrocities and lack of soul growth for many. Those voices don’t even get to participate in forms like this to testify to truth of that assertion. Anarchy is not chaos but self-governance and learning to live collectively while governing oneself individually. A compromise in IMO.



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    The Reign of Terror | The Dark Origins Of Communism Series | Official Trailer | Crossroads
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