Only Communism Can Save Mankind

[Morbid]

Posted by christian (here)
China is trapping a billion people in poverty. China is the biggest hellhole when it comes to the environment. And it's all sanctioned by the Communist party. The country is literally spilling over with toxins.

that is the case ONLY because the west has a rather unhealthy addiction for consumption

[The Freedom Train]

Posted by Bubu (here)
In simple terms people caring and people sharing is what everyone needs to do. Dont understand why we have to complicate things. communism socialism and all the ism are merely labels. Fact is no "ism" can save humanity. People realizing that we are one can.

TRUTH. Thank you!

[Praxis]

Removed by me

[shaberon]

A lot of it depends on who it's done with.

When I sit here and criticize the governments and corporations, all that stuff is true, but then looking at a lot of the "little people" that are supposed to need protection, help, freedom, and all that...I kind of have to put my foot in my mouth. As a "human farm", the U. S. simply produces a lot of defects. When looking at the multitude of predators--whether on a criminal level, or common selfish behavior--well, it's quite overwhelming. I really think it is different in other places. I personally only have a small experience in visiting Europe, but the whole time I was there, I would say the common standard of street-level experience was far higher than the U. S. (I did not want to come back here).

On the whole, I think a lot of it sounds fine, but that is because I agree more with Tao than with things that originate anywhere near me.

[Yetti]

Comunism only great achievement is the equal , economic, social and spiritual distribuition of misery ! Do not believe it? Go to live at cuba! Or venezuela

[rgray222]

Words matter and it is very unfortunate that the author of this piece decided to use the word communism. What is being described in this article certainly has some aspects of communism associated with it but it seems to be leaning in the direction of a communal or kibbutz lifestyle. Also just as a point of interest, fertiliser had a lot more to do with population growth than capitalism.

The world and the universe at large has an uncanny way of self-correcting. Capitalism has served a purpose and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other ism that ever was, but it is fast approaching a point where change will become necessary. There will be a tipping point when people demand change. The tipping point generally arrives when 12-15% of the population take an active role demanding change. Capitalism, especially in it bastardised form (government intervention and control) is beginning to centralize vast sums of monies into the hands of few elites. Change is inevitable.

At the present time, there is no economic system equipped to handle the needs and desires of every man woman and child on earth. A system will have to be patched together or invented from all the others that have been experimented with in the past. A hybrid that takes the best from each. The success of any new economic system will be dependent on two things, education and finding people to put in charge. I have always believed that a council of elders would be our best bet for implementing something of this magnitude.

[ceetee9]

I must agree with what many here have already stated; no “ism” is going to solve our problems or save humanity. They have all been tried multiple times and they have all failed or are failing.

The problem is with us, human beings. We have all been raised under one or more systems and have been taught (programmed) to believe that that system is best (or at least good) and all (or most) others are bad or deficient in some manner. So we continue to argue over, fight and die for our beloved systems of enslavement. We fool ourselves into believing that previous incarnations failed because of this or that and that we are smarter now and have learned not to make the same mistakes and how to fix it so it won't fail again this time—or the next. Forgive me, I'm not meaning to point fingers here (and I am just as guilty), but this is even evident in many of the comments in this thread.

What I mean when I say the problem is with us is that it is we who create our own enslavement and misery. We do so in so many ways it's quite remarkable that we haven't already self-destructed. We create governments and give them power and authority to rule over us and to protect us from others and to provide for services that we want but really don't want to pay for or do ourselves and then we're shocked when they become corrupt and ever more powerful and tyrannical. We create religions to guide us to spiritual enlightenment yet we still support them when they are so judgmental of others such as when they tell us that those who don't follow “our” religion are bad or evil and must be converted, ostracized, or destroyed. We create charitable organizations to help others or to help save the environment, but we do nothing when we learn that much of the funding never makes it to help the environment or those in need or it's stolen by those who head up the organization. We claim we care about our dwindling resources yet we continue to use more water, food, fossil fuels, etc. than we need. We work for corporations that build products designed to be thrown away and wear out quickly so consumers must continue to buy more of those products.

In this country, we claim we care about freedom and human rights yet we do nothing to reduce the 2.5 million human beings incarcerated in our prisons—more than China and Russia combined. In fact, we continue to seek more laws to lock up more people so we can “feel” safer. We've created a trillion dollar military industrial complex and continue to build more weapons of mass destruction and weapons that are used to arm both sides of a conflict, but we don't seem to care. We didn't even care that 2 trillion dollars couldn't be accounted for in 2001. Who knows how much more money has gone “missing” since then and we still do nothing.

I could go on and on, but, hopefully, I've made my point. Until we take a good hard look in the mirror and start changing the way each and every one of us think and behave toward one another and our planet, no government “ism” or religion or corporation or any other organization we can dream up to avoid searching within for the root cause of our troubles is going to fix anything for us, IMHO.

[nomadguy]

Posted by christian (here)
Capitalism is defined by (a) private property and (b) a free market. Right now, both are heavily curtailed and distorted by the state, who is influenced by agents of a corporatocracy. That's what's happening right now. Some call it crony-capitalism. Only the economically uneducated and ideologists call it capitalism, I'm sorry to say that.

Likewise, only the naive and uneducated dream of a system of global Communism. Did anyone of you read the Communist Manifesto? It says that this egalitarian system should be brought about through despotic interventions upon people's private property. In other words, make people equal through brute force, and once everybody is made equal, people will just love it and suddenly become content and altruistic like never seen before. Eternal peace through total war. Egalitarianism brought about through the wise orders of the Communist elite who's planning and guiding people's lives. Did anyone of you read George Orwell's Animal Farm? It spells it all out.

Regarding this community project, well go for it if you like it. Produce organic, that's great. If you don't want the concept of a traditional family, if you don't want to have children, if you don't like the concept of personal sovereignty, have it your way. Just don't force anybody to live like that as well. It may be good for you, but it's certainly not superior and I would never accept this lifestyle being imposed on me.

This corporatocracy that has been the model that the West has used to create a technological boom over the past 100 years or so, is giving way to a new form of control => Technocracy. Here you have a form of control that can and will subvert all other forms of governance and be ruled by the smallest fraction of people on earth. The PTBS as it were...

[Flash]

The OP is bringing in the idea of communal work and communal lifestyle base on values and ways of doing accepted by its members.

And, to be part of it, a very tight screening is done, not everyone has access - aren't we already starting with a kind of 1% vs 99% sort of thinking? If we cannot integrate those of different values, or those with basic screwed up mind or genetic, we cannot have something sustainable on a larger scale.

Does anyone remembers the numerous communes that existed in the sixties and seventies in the western world? They did resemble pretty much what our Chinese OP is presenting to us. They were successful for a while, and they moslty all disintegrated.

Anyone has done any research on why those communes did not survived (apart from too much weed consumption lolll)? That would be interesting to know what happened with these communes and why they died.

Furthermore, those ecological villages where people regroup to have natural lifestyles with local electricity provided by local resources, often on a house by house basis, and local markets etc. Aren't they other styles of communes? How productive (in terms of local wealth and comfort) and how steady are they?

Finally, religious communauties like the Hare Krishna, Jehovah witnesses and many others, catholic, christians of muslim, for example, are based on shared values, shared forms of living, quite a lot of internal exchange, etc. Could they be named communal life? If so, why don't we all subscribe to them?

You see, there is a very large gap between Chinese culture and Western cultures, so wide that most of the things applying well to Chinese and easily accepted by them would not apply without major modifications to the Western cultures. Nothing to do with greed or capitalism but everything to do with basic cultural understandings and values. And vice-versa when we, in the West, want to impose our ways to the East.

However, thinking about it is a worthwile exercise in my opinion.

and congratulation for that Chinese community who is trying something new.

I would have a lot to say about the article analysing the Western capitalistic societies as well, thinking there is a lot of misunderstandings or misinterpretations of the Western world in it, but not tonight.

[xidaijena]

Imagine, where mankind could be today, if we would use our resources for common wealth, not for private profits.
We would be able to live in paradise. Now.

Agree with you.

[xidaijena]

Does the state see this as a challenge to its economic plans?

I think it is.

[xidaijena]

Fact is no "ism" can save humanity. People realizing that we are one can.

The question is that how do people realize that we are one?

[xidaijena]

Only on the soullevel this can be solved, pple living a spiritual life connnected to source

Agree with you, the main connotation of Xuefeng-style communism is to revere the Greatest Creator, LIFE, and nature. We think the source is the Greatest Creator.

[Bubu]

Posted by xidaijena (here)

Fact is no "ism" can save humanity. People realizing that we are one can.

The question is that how do people realize that we are one?

I agree that the kind of lifestyle you describe above will awaken our innate nature of caring and sharing which has been dormant due to brainwashing. However it has a part that is of negative brainwashing and that is saying that "only communism can save mankind. Why cant we just say "only caring loving and sharing can save mankind". My take is that since we have been brainwashed to make our innate nature (positive virtues) dormant then maybe we can use the same procedure "positive brainwashing" to make people realize we are one.

[Baby Steps]

Human genetics is not of the 'selfish gene' variety - where males fight over females to propagate their genes.

There are other more altruistic & cooperative models - how about the 'meerkat model'?

Humans have for most of their history lived in small mutually supportive groups or communities whether agricultural or hunter-gatherer.

The challenge of a hard environment, resource scarcity etc are met by working together. The Genetic advantage being that one's own genes and those of close relatives who share genes, are promoted, because cooperation facilitates survival.
( I think many of these group models would guard against in breeding by having traditions of bringing in new blood regularly as mentioned in the 'Clan of the cave bear ' books)

Essential for group survival would be specialism of tasks- individuals would acquire skills, such as tool making, herbalism, foraging, mid-wifery, shamanism, because the group provided for those specialists collectively. In indigenous societies there is a trade or barter that goes on, so it is not quite communistic.

Humans facing a dynamic environment, and collapsing systems need to WORK TOGETHER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQt41wwfEw8

[Alberto e Daniela]

What is our paradigm ?

1) Alien forces controlling from behind the scenes in order to keep the pain-factory of the world going for their own benefit and reward their faithful administrators ?

In this case, the easiest government type to control is, of course, a Dictatorship. "They" just have to influence or corrupt one person or a small number, and you have a whole country crying. Some of the worst dictatorships were called communism, some fascism, and they all placed a "load" on the associated words, as Bill wrote.

A truly bad Capitalism, on the other hand, requires the corruption of more people, but there are enough resources to do that, as we can see, and it's harder to correct, because there are so many rotten parts in the system, either humans or artificial entities: lobbyists, government officials, corporate giants, the super rich who do not care about the suffering of human kind, etc.

2) Do we also admit that man has been sleeping for thousand years, his Essence being wrapped in his ego, which makes his so likely to succumb to corruption, or to be enchanted by silly toys and delusion of power ?

In this case, the work of the occult controllers is easier, because the victim of their influence is even asleep, and easily falls prey of their enchantment.

A common living based on sharing resources can help because it removes some of the poisoned gifts which corrupt man, like an excess of power or riches, but the solution to the big conundrum is to come from the territory of Consciousness, because even in the best organization form, a truly bad ( i.e. egotic ) person can bring suffering and hatred. Personal work to grow the Essence and reduce the ego is necessary there.

[christian]

Posted by Morbid (here)

Posted by christian (here)
China is trapping a billion people in poverty. China is the biggest hellhole when it comes to the environment. And it's all sanctioned by the Communist party. The country is literally spilling over with toxins.

that is the case ONLY because the west has a rather unhealthy addiction for consumption

The responsibility is only with the Western countries and not at all with the Chinese themselves?

[Cardillac]

in my own cheep, 25-Cent opinion the only solution to the word's problems is a variable meritocracy that is constantly monitored by HONEST members of the general public and anyone stepping out of line to enrich their own lives at the expense of the general public is in need of severe reprimanding-

Larry

[Bob]

Xidaijena, hello.

I saw this article that this particular Chinese government is committing what appears to be human rights violations, forcibly displacing citizens in a very pretty area. Apparently the citizens had no say in the matter, kicked out, and not compensated in any fair and acceptable way. Seems to me a government based on those "Communistic Principles" that can do that really is not so nice? If the State says 'this is how it will be' there is no freedom to say otherwise, correct? Haven't we seen this sort of State-organized abuse before, communities being kicked out because the State wants something, and the people can not say otherwise? In other words, there is no EQUALITY across the board, there are superiors who set policy and there are workers who serve that superior, right?

China is creating/building a massive Five-hundred-metre Aperture Spherical Telescope (FAST) in the country's southwest, which began operations in September and cost 1.2 billion yuan ($180 million) to build, is the world's largest radio telescope.

Once fully operational, FAST will be able to peer deeper into space than ever before, examining pulsars, dark matter and gravitational waves—and searching for signs of life.

Authorities also hope it will bring tourist dollars to the province of Guizhou, one of China's poorest regions.



But it comes at the cost of forcibly displacing about 9,000 villagers who called the site in Pingtang county their home.

Many were outraged at being forced to leave the valley surrounded by forested karst hills and hundreds of families are now suing the government, with some cases being heard this week.
Octogenarian Han Jingfu drank pesticide days after being made to sign a relocation contract and died at his front door, neighbours and relatives said.

China built FAST as part of efforts to take on international rivals and raise its embarrassingly low tally of Nobel Prizes, explained Peng Bo, director of China's National Astronomical Observatories, which oversees the telescope.

The 500-metre-wide (1,640 feet) dish dwarfs its nearest competitor, the US's Puerto Rico-based Arecibo telescope, which is only 305 metres across.


Source article at: http://phys.org/news/2016-11-aliens-...-huge.html#jCp

The Guardian (UK) said this:

Massive relocation projects have long been a Communist party specialty.

Millions of Chinese citizens have been displaced in recent decades to make way for hydro-electric dams and other infrastructure projects or as part of “poverty alleviation” schemes.

Those forced from their homes often complain of poor compensation.

It just seems that in reality, looking at projects such as this and more massive, under the concept that "Only Communism Can Save Mankind", poverty is not alleviated, citizens displaced, and a "glorious" technological Communist party reigns supreme over citizens. The OP title thread says "Only Communism can Save mankind" - with such projects abuse apparently of human rights, property/land, it seems contradictory and glossing over issues such as technological advancement at the expense of humanity. What am I missing?

If the existing "Communism" system as applied in China currently is not "working as it 'should' " would the people then up-rise and overthrow the unworkable parts of the system? In other words, force Xuefeng-style communism on the government, the population, taking apart that unworkable existing system? How can a peaceful revolution/evolution evoke positive change against those who forcibly harm it's citizens?

==update==

I see doing a websearch, provided this link with answers provided by members:
http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.ph...hread&tid=5544

[norman]

I don't think Xidaijena is defending the Chinese government. Well, I didn't think that when I wrote my own post, did I miss something?