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    FBI caught letting pedophiles go free rather than revealing their investigative techniques

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    The Federal Bureau of Investigations and the Department of Justice would rather let hardened pedophiles go free than to turn over information related to their methods of gathering evidence against such suspects.
    In some cases, the FBI has reportedly run porn sites in order to gather information on child porn seekers. And in other instances, the FBI has infected suspects' computers with malware, all in an effort to gather the evidence necessary for a conviction.

    Labeled "The Playpen," the FBI's kiddie porn sting operation on Friday saw the latest suspect to walk free. His name is Jay Michaud. His lawyer successfully argued in court that the FBI must turn over to his team of lawyers information regarding the Network Investigative Technique (NIT) it used to gather evidence on Mr. Michaud. The FBI said it would not turn over any information regarding NIT to the defense team, and the judge in the case, Judge Bryan then ruled all evidence gathered from NIT must be therefore suppressed.

    As a result of the FBI's refusal to turn over any information about the NIT used to gather information on Michaud, the FBI then chose to let Mr. Michaud go free. According to Techdirt, this is a common practice for the FBI when forced to choose between handing over technical data or letting a suspect walk free.

    "The FBI is developing quite the reputation for dropping prosecutions in the face of challenges of its secret tools and techniques. The NDAs it hands out to every law enforcement agency seeking to purchase Stingrays not only tells them to obscure the device's use, but to let suspects walk if it seems some of this info might make its way into the courtroom," Techdirt writes.

    The FBI has been criticized for its practices in evidence gathering. Techdirt writes, "The FBI argues in court (often obtaining the court's agreement) that these questionable tactics (deploying malware, warrants that ignore jurisdictional limits, running child porn sites rather than shutting them down, etc.) are justified because the people it's going after (child porn viewers/distributors) are that terrible. But then it turns around and lets the very bottom of its basket of criminal suspect deplorables go free rather than hand over information to the defense. It does this even though the defense, the judge, and the DOJ would do all they could to protect as much of the NIT information as possible, including sealing documents and redacting those that are published."

    During the trial, the FBI drew the criticism of the court which found it acted in an "outrageous" manner. The court then described the six ways the FBI acted recklessly in its evidence gathering against child porn suspects.
    (1) The Government ignored the statute forbidding such conduct: "In any criminal proceeding, any property or material that constitutes child pornography . . . shall remain in the care, custody and control of either the Government or the Court." 18 U.S.C § 3509(m).

    (2) The Government facilitated the continued availability of Website A, a site containing hundreds of child pornographic images for criminal users around the world.

    (3) The Government, in fact, improved Website A's technical functionality.

    (4) The Government re-victimized hundreds of children by keeping Website A online.

    (5) The Government used the child victims as bait to apprehend viewers of child pornography without informing the victims and without the victims' permission—or that of their families.

    (6) The Government's actions placed any lawyer involved in jeopardy for violating ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct 8.4, and raise serious ethical and moral issues for counsel.
    It is the conclusion of the court that the FBI ran a kiddie porn website, used kids as "bait," and improved access to the child porn website, all in an effort to gather evidence on porn users. The most damning criticism from the statements seems to be the knowledge that child porn victims, the children, and their images, were used without their knowledge, once again, to draw in pedophiles to the government-run website.

    It really seems unnecessary doesn't it? Here at TFTP, there's absolutely no mercy for pedophiles, especially when those perpetrators are police officers, or people in positions of authority, such as pastors, missionaries, or priests. But knowing the government is in the business of kiddy porn to entrap such people is arguably more disturbing.

    Even after being caught red-handed, instead of sharing the technology behind their evidence gathering, they chose to let the perpetrators, whom they admitted are the worst of society, walk free. Those actions may serve to demonstrate the FBI has a greater commitment to its secrecy than it does to protecting children caught up in the world of child pornography.

    In light of the fact that Edward Snowden has revealed to the world the capabilities the federal government has to spy on all Americans, what harm would come from revealing the small ways the government was able to gather information on child porn purveyors and users? If they are, after all, the dregs of society, and we believe they are and should be shown no mercy, then risking exposing your methods to jail a pedophile predator, is more than worth taking that chance.

    According to the court, "The only justification for the acts of the Government, as provided by counsel, is that the end justifies the means, or in the Government's words, 'Because those who create, obtain, trade, distribute and profit from the imagery of the rape and sexual exploitation of children have turned to Tor in an effort to hide their activities, the United States has been forced to employ creative means to unmask the individuals engaging in the destructive and heinous criminal conduct.'"

    But instead of revealing those creative measures, they're now letting the despicable crooks go back to their pedophile ways, possibly emboldened to keep their activities further hidden from the prying eyes of big brother.

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    Doesn't that make the whole operation pointless if they if they aren't willing to provide the evidence that will put these predators behind bars? As a result of their running of a child porn site for two weeks (as part of their investigative techniques) "the number of visitors to Playpen while it was under Government control [increased] from an average of 11,000 weekly visitors to approximately 50,000 per week. During those two weeks, the website's membership grew by over 30 percent, the number of unique weekly visitors to the site more than quadrupled, and approximately 200 videos, 9,000 images, and 13,000 links to child pornography were posted on the site,"

    One wonders if the FBI has other agendas, such as furthering and even improving the distribution of child pornography.
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    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    I've seen this guy post a fair bit on Voat. Didn't realise he was going as far as to contact James Alefantis...

    Thanks for this video 7alon. If indeed this exchange did happen and it certainly seems to be the real deal to me, then this is pretty scary. It deserves to be bumped for further analysis and commentary.

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    This was a disturbing video -- but you would think that this Voat guy would have recorded the phone calls with Alefantis making these explicit threats against him and his family? In any event, these texts, if truly coming from Alefantis, certainly show a guy throwing his 49th most powerful man in DC weight around -- hardly the "nice" guy and hapless victim of a false conspiracy the NYT and WaPo are trying to paint him as in their "debunking" articles.

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    Default Re: Pizzagate: pedophilia in American elite (with links to related threads)

    That poor, brave guy took on more than he bargained for.
    I certainly hope the personal sacrifice will prove to be worth it.
    He deserves our prayers.
    Hopefully some law enforcement officials will be shamed into actually doing something.
    It can't be legal to threaten someone's life, even in an email, and at least he has the evidence to prove that Alefantis did that.
    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Quote Posted by Debra (here)
    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    I've seen this guy post a fair bit on Voat. Didn't realise he was going as far as to contact James Alefantis...

    Thanks for this video 7alon. If indeed this exchange did happen and it certainly seems to be the real deal to me, then this is pretty scary. It deserves to be bumped for further analysis and commentary.

    THANKYOU
    This was a disturbing video -- but you would think that this Voat guy would have recorded the phone calls with Alefantis making these explicit threats against him and his family? In any event, these texts, if truly coming from Alefantis, certainly show a guy throwing his 49th most powerful man in DC weight around -- hardly the "nice" guy and hapless victim of a false conspiracy the NYT and WaPo are trying to paint him as in their "debunking" articles.
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    Default Re: Pizzagate: pedophilia in American elite (with links to related threads)

    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Quote Posted by Debra (here)
    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    I've seen this guy post a fair bit on Voat. Didn't realise he was going as far as to contact James Alefantis...

    Thanks for this video 7alon. If indeed this exchange did happen and it certainly seems to be the real deal to me, then this is pretty scary. It deserves to be bumped for further analysis and commentary.

    THANKYOU
    This was a disturbing video -- but you would think that this Voat guy would have recorded the phone calls with Alefantis making these explicit threats against him and his family? In any event, these texts, if truly coming from Alefantis, certainly show a guy throwing his 49th most powerful man in DC weight around -- hardly the "nice" guy and hapless victim of a false conspiracy the NYT and WaPo are trying to paint him as in their "debunking" articles.
    This thread is interesting: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1546248

    He posted this and then deleted this! http://archive.is/A5UbV http://archive.is/tLvDY

    James Alefantis's phone number was in the vid. How do I know it's James Alefantis? Because of this: http://archive.is/4JDnk.

    The number was linked to Comet Ping Pong in 2007 by a user called james! number is 202 285 0567
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    Default Re: Pizzagate: pedophilia in American elite (with links to related threads)

    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Quote Posted by Debra (here)
    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    I've seen this guy post a fair bit on Voat. Didn't realise he was going as far as to contact James Alefantis...

    Thanks for this video 7alon. If indeed this exchange did happen and it certainly seems to be the real deal to me, then this is pretty scary. It deserves to be bumped for further analysis and commentary.

    THANKYOU
    This was a disturbing video -- but you would think that this Voat guy would have recorded the phone calls with Alefantis making these explicit threats against him and his family? In any event, these texts, if truly coming from Alefantis, certainly show a guy throwing his 49th most powerful man in DC weight around -- hardly the "nice" guy and hapless victim of a false conspiracy the NYT and WaPo are trying to paint him as in their "debunking" articles.
    This thread is interesting: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1546248

    He posted this and then deleted this! http://archive.is/A5UbV http://archive.is/tLvDY

    James Alefantis's phone number was in the vid. How do I know it's James Alefantis? Because of this: http://archive.is/4JDnk.

    The number was linked to Comet Ping Pong in 2007 by a user called james! number is 202 285 0567

    Look, I'm not convinced this is 100% real.. it COULD be faked... so that's in my mind.

    This is, unfortunately, anecdotal... I wonder if someone familiar with body language could look at this... the telling of it (so close to the incident of him actually being "super scared") seems a bit too matter of fact.

    I hate to be like this.. but burnt once, twice shy...

    Here's how you fake text messages:

    (from Iphone)
    http://iphonefaketext.com/


    so... grain of salt 'n all that.

    Does the iphone time and time that the "voat" or "youtube" video got took down line up?

    I'd investigate this more, but honestly, I'm already convinced on the Comet Pizza owner.. don't need to.


    This seems, maybe attention grabby... he's just not offering anything new other than "omg look at this" type of stuff



    I know the Alt communtiy pretty well by this point (not as long as some, but long enough)

    I could make **** like this left and right, I could probably make a LOT of money off the "alt community" if I had lower ethical standards (or maybe desperation)....

    /constantskeptic
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Quote Posted by Debra (here)
    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    I've seen this guy post a fair bit on Voat. Didn't realise he was going as far as to contact James Alefantis...

    Thanks for this video 7alon. If indeed this exchange did happen and it certainly seems to be the real deal to me, then this is pretty scary. It deserves to be bumped for further analysis and commentary.

    THANKYOU
    This was a disturbing video -- but you would think that this Voat guy would have recorded the phone calls with Alefantis making these explicit threats against him and his family? In any event, these texts, if truly coming from Alefantis, certainly show a guy throwing his 49th most powerful man in DC weight around -- hardly the "nice" guy and hapless victim of a false conspiracy the NYT and WaPo are trying to paint him as in their "debunking" articles.
    This thread is interesting: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1546248

    He posted this and then deleted this! http://archive.is/A5UbV http://archive.is/tLvDY

    James Alefantis's phone number was in the vid. How do I know it's James Alefantis? Because of this: http://archive.is/4JDnk.

    The number was linked to Comet Ping Pong in 2007 by a user called james! number is 202 285 0567

    Look, I'm not convinced this is 100% real.. it COULD be faked... so that's in my mind.

    This is, unfortunately, anecdotal... I wonder if someone familiar with body language could look at this... the telling of it (so close to the incident of him actually being "super scared") seems a bit too matter of fact.

    I hate to be like this.. but burnt once, twice shy...

    Here's how you fake text messages:

    (from Iphone)
    http://iphonefaketext.com/


    so... grain of salt 'n all that.

    Does the iphone time and time that the "voat" or "youtube" video got took down line up?

    I'd investigate this more, but honestly, I'm already convinced on the Comet Pizza owner.. don't need to.


    This seems, maybe attention grabby... he's just not offering anything new other than "omg look at this" type of stuff



    I know the Alt communtiy pretty well by this point (not as long as some, but long enough)

    I could make **** like this left and right, I could probably make a LOT of money off the "alt community" if I had lower ethical standards (or maybe desperation)....

    /constantskeptic

    Great points TargeT

    Then again, this might be his insurance policy as well to lay it out up front in plain sight, which is still scary but IF something physical does happen, and I don't wish that of course, then Alefantis would indeed be dragged up first.

    Though if what Hervé has posted further up about the FBI being totally useless with their gathered data on these networks, what hope has anyone have in tabling evidence these days. The system is so stacked against real justice. Very depressing.

    Is Alefantis - if this allegation is true - just brazen and confident of protection? Within this picture, we cannot ignore also the child sex age laws that are being primed in the State of California that Onawah has also brought to our attention.

    Point is, what can we do about this because leaving this in the hands of the agencies is clearly not enough. This depravity continues. Wholesale.

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    Default Re: Pizzagate: pedophilia in American elite (with links to related threads)

    Quick question: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?
    Does anyone know what this percentage is ?

    Question 2: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    And you grow up to become a child sex abuse offender.
    Statistically, on average, how many children will you abuse ?

    If you listen to David Icke (and others) this problem is rampant, it's everywhere.
    I'm wondering if this problem will only grow and grow over time.
    Perhaps each victim has (say) a 50% chance of becoming an offender as an adult.
    And maybe each adult creates ... (say) .. 12 victims.
    In which case, it's a problem that can only explode in the years ahead.
    Everything depends on it's transmission rate.

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    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Quick question: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?
    Does anyone know what this percentage is ?

    Question 2: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    And you grow up to become a child sex abuse offender.
    Statistically, on average, how many children will you abuse ?

    If you listen to David Icke (and others) this problem is rampant, it's everywhere.
    I'm wondering if this problem will only grow and grow over time.
    Perhaps each victim has (say) a 50% chance of becoming an offender as an adult.
    And maybe each adult creates ... (say) .. 12 victims.
    In which case, it's a problem that can only explode in the years ahead.
    Everything depends on it's transmission rate.

    be happy
    Good question Lucidity and it is a hard hitting very emotional one to a lot of people i would imagine.

    I was abused as a child (not sexually) but mentally and physically on a huge scale.. too many stories to put right here.

    As an adult i have only hit my children twice. both of these times were because they put themselves in great danger. For example running out on the road without looking or wandering off too far without thinking about it.

    These couple of times have done enough to let my children see the dangers in life, remember what can happen to them because of what i have told them around the time they got smacked, and to respect the hazards that are there for every child.

    I do not know if i am one of a few that have been through total and horrible abuse and have come out of it with a clear mind or not but i am hell sure that it has not affected me in a bad way toward my children

    Bu heaven forbid anyone else put harm on them ... then maybe bad things would happen.

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    Quote Posted by bennycog (here)
    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Quick question: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?
    Does anyone know what this percentage is ?

    Question 2: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    And you grow up to become a child sex abuse offender.
    Statistically, on average, how many children will you abuse ?

    If you listen to David Icke (and others) this problem is rampant, it's everywhere.
    I'm wondering if this problem will only grow and grow over time.
    Perhaps each victim has (say) a 50% chance of becoming an offender as an adult.
    And maybe each adult creates ... (say) .. 12 victims.
    In which case, it's a problem that can only explode in the years ahead.
    Everything depends on it's transmission rate.

    be happy
    Good question Lucidity and it is a hard hitting very emotional one to a lot of people i would imagine.

    I was abused as a child (not sexually) but mentally and physically on a huge scale.. too many stories to put right here.

    As an adult i have only hit my children twice. both of these times were because they put themselves in great danger. For example running out on the road without looking or wandering off too far without thinking about it.

    These couple of times have done enough to let my children see the dangers in life, remember what can happen to them because of what i have told them around the time they got smacked, and to respect the hazards that are there for every child.

    I do not know if i am one of a few that have been through total and horrible abuse and have come out of it with a clear mind or not but i am hell sure that it has not affected me in a bad way toward my children

    Bu heaven forbid anyone else put harm on them ... then maybe bad things would happen.
    Hi Bennycog,

    I don't think it's necessary for the abuse to have been sexual,
    for that abuse to be 'transmitted' some N years down the line.
    (I'm not suggesting that you think that it is necessary -- i'm just thinking out aloud)

    I remember conversations i had with a senior HR manager
    about the problem of staff turnover and it's connection to management
    bullying. It turns out that very often, bullying managers were previously
    bullied. They quite 'unconsciously' hand the abuse back to innocent
    bystanders some X years later.

    I'm betting these managers, or child abusers (sexual and non-sexual) don't make
    the connection between receiving abuse in the past and giving abuse in the present.

    What can we do to reduce the transmission rate of abuse (of all kinds) ?

    => Provide counselling for the victims of abuse so that they adjust and
    normalise quickly (perhaps this will reduce the rate of their own offending later)

    => Mindfulness meditation or a 10 Day vipassana course would be great for
    helping victims get some of that stuff off their chest and become more aware
    of their own feelings and cognitions. Meditation has been shown in numerous studies
    to be very emotionally stabilising ... for everyone.

    => Keep a database register of abuse victims... and add to that DB details of
    the victim's fingerprints, blood type and DNA data. Make this data available to
    the police as a victims' DB. (This will help with the detection of victims that
    flip into offenders). There are civil liberties issues here, however.

    be happy
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    wow.. I've just been reading an article about abusers and victims in Psychology Today.

    Here's how they describe the behavioural tendencies of abusers:

    Quote • Underreport, hide, minimize, or justify their abusive behavior
    • Describe themselves as victims
    • Feel abused when their partners disagree with them or don't do what they want
    • Label their partners' behavior as abusive
    • Attribute malevolent intent to their partners' positive behavior (manipulative, deceptive)
    • Pathologize their partners (emotional or personality disorder, incompetence)
    • Use negative labels (nag, irrational, hysterical, lazy, unreliable)
    • Have great difficulty describing their partners' perspectives
    • Show little or no compassion
    • Exhibit self-righteousness
    And here is how they describe the behaviours of victims:

    Quote • Underreport or hide their partners' abusive behavior
    • Not label obviously abusive behavior as abuse
    • Blame themselves in part for the abuse they reveal
    • Make excuses for the abuser's behavior
    • Bend over backwards to see the abuser's perspective
    • Describe the abuser at least partially in sympathetic terms
    • Exhibit self-doubt
    source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ms-and-abusers

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    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Quote Posted by bennycog (here)
    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Quick question: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?
    Does anyone know what this percentage is ?

    Question 2: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    And you grow up to become a child sex abuse offender.
    Statistically, on average, how many children will you abuse ?

    If you listen to David Icke (and others) this problem is rampant, it's everywhere.
    I'm wondering if this problem will only grow and grow over time.
    Perhaps each victim has (say) a 50% chance of becoming an offender as an adult.
    And maybe each adult creates ... (say) .. 12 victims.
    In which case, it's a problem that can only explode in the years ahead.
    Everything depends on it's transmission rate.

    be happy
    Good question Lucidity and it is a hard hitting very emotional one to a lot of people i would imagine.

    I was abused as a child (not sexually) but mentally and physically on a huge scale.. too many stories to put right here.

    As an adult i have only hit my children twice. both of these times were because they put themselves in great danger. For example running out on the road without looking or wandering off too far without thinking about it.

    These couple of times have done enough to let my children see the dangers in life, remember what can happen to them because of what i have told them around the time they got smacked, and to respect the hazards that are there for every child.

    I do not know if i am one of a few that have been through total and horrible abuse and have come out of it with a clear mind or not but i am hell sure that it has not affected me in a bad way toward my children

    Bu heaven forbid anyone else put harm on them ... then maybe bad things would happen.
    Hi Bennycog,

    I don't think it's necessary for the abuse to have been sexual,
    for that abuse to be 'transmitted' some N years down the line.
    (I'm not suggesting that you think that it is necessary -- i'm just thinking out aloud)

    I remember conversations i had with a senior HR manager
    about the problem of staff turnover and it's connection to management
    bullying. It turns out that very often, bullying managers were previously
    bullied. They quite 'unconsciously' hand the abuse back to innocent
    bystanders some X years later.

    I'm betting these managers, or child abusers (sexual and non-sexual) don't make
    the connection between receiving abuse in the past and giving abuse in the present.

    What can we do to reduce the transmission rate of abuse (of all kinds) ?

    => Provide counselling for the victims of abuse so that they adjust and
    normalise quickly (perhaps this will reduce the rate of their own offending later)

    => Mindfulness meditation or a 10 Day vipassana course would be great for
    helping victims get some of that stuff off their chest and become more aware
    of their own feelings and cognitions. Meditation has been shown in numerous studies
    to be very emotionally stabilising ... for everyone.

    => Keep a database register of abuse victims... and add to that DB details of
    the victim's fingerprints, blood type and DNA data. Make this data available to
    the police as a victims' DB. (This will help with the detection of victims that
    flip into offenders). There are civil liberties issues here, however.

    be happy
    Hey

    Always be happy

    I am sure there are countless instances where abuse as a child can come into play, someone who has fallen into the darkness they were under at an earlier age and released it when they may not be expecting to.

    If they do not have the right avenue to discuss it or vent it, then yes things can happen. I am very soon about to host an event that i started last year after my brother passing. An event to try to bring these demon offences out into the open so people can stop treating it as taboo.. All funded by myself.. And reluctantly but clearly do a speech in front of many.

    I promised my brother i would do this for him. I rarely go back on a promise.

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    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Quick question: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?
    Does anyone know what this percentage is ?

    Question 2: If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    And you grow up to become a child sex abuse offender.
    Statistically, on average, how many children will you abuse ?

    If you listen to David Icke (and others) this problem is rampant, it's everywhere.
    I'm wondering if this problem will only grow and grow over time.
    Perhaps each victim has (say) a 50% chance of becoming an offender as an adult.
    And maybe each adult creates ... (say) .. 12 victims.
    In which case, it's a problem that can only explode in the years ahead.
    Everything depends on it's transmission rate.

    be happy
    I found a paper which supplies data related to my first question:

    If you were a child sexual abuse victim..
    What are the chances (as a percentage) that you'll go on to become a child sex abuse offender ?


    See this paper:
    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482

    The male victim-to-victimiser table of statistics are here:
    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/highwire/mark...highwire_embed

    They basically took 747 male child abusers.
    They asked the following questions:
    Were you a victim of paedophilia (only) ?
    Were you a victim of incest (only) ?
    Were you a victim of both incest and paedophilia ?

    Here are the results:
    paedophilia (only) : 61%
    incest (only) : 51%
    paedophilia and incest : 75%

    Interestingly, this pattern isn't the same for women.
    Women have a very low rate of becoming paedophiles.

    Unfortunately, interesting though this data is,
    it doesn't actually answer my question.... because...
    I want to know what percentage of sexually abused children, go on to become abusers.
    But this data is telling me what percentage of abusers were abused as children.
    Which is looking at the question from the 'other' perspective, that of an adult abuser.

    For example, it might be true, despite the data above, that only 1 child in 100
    goes on to become an abuser.

    be happy

    Addendum:
    But in any case, if you wanted to pursue similar questions
    this journal might be a good source of information:

    https://www.journals.elsevier.com/ch...e-and-neglect/
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    I've just watched this video ... which clearly shows the vice-president of the USA,
    Joe Biden, clearly groping young girls... in public... on camera. It's unbelievable:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXjWAr2zZk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKjuTv85Maw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPepm9booSI

    Probably regulars on this thread already knew about this but
    it's all pretty shocking news for me.

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    Predators given a free pass: UN peacekeepers won't be charged despite rape accusations by over 100 children

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    It was recently reported that UN peacekeepers will not be charged for sex crimes against children that they allegedly violated while they were stationed in the Central African Republic. The French Government investigated the French soldiers who were accused of the attacks, but they found no evidence of wrongdoing, as often happens when organizations investigate their own. French prosecutors claim that they had insufficient evidence to charge the soldiers, but over 100 children have leveled accusations against them. Do they expect the world to believe that all of these children are lying?

    UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that the agency defers to local governments in situations like this.

    "So obviously we'll keep an eye on this. But as we've said, it is the responsibility of member states to fully investigate and hopefully prosecute crimes. The fight against impunity for these horrendous actions has to be a partnership between the UN and member states,"Dujarric said.

    There is a second investigation that is currently ongoing which involves UN peacekeepers and sexual assault in the Central African Republic. However, it is not clear whether or not this investigation is relating to the same accusations — or new crimes that have taken place since.

    This is not the first time that UN workers have been accused of these types of crimes. After the UN has entered areas like Cambodia, Mozambique, Bosnia, Sudan and Kosovo, there was an explosion of sex trafficking and numerous reports of abuse. In the past several years, the UN was caught attempting to cover-up the fact that there were 231 people in Haiti who claimed they were sexually violated by UN peacekeepers, and were forced to perform sexual acts in exchange for food and supplies that were intended as relief packages.
    SOTT Comment: There are so many instances where UN peacekeeping forces have been caught acting more like predators than protectors of human rights. Even more egregious is that their abuses are systematically covered up - which suggests these armies are being protected by the PTB to further their own agenda.
    There are almost too many cases to list in which high-profile public figures or organizations were accused in pedophilia or human trafficking cases. However, they almost always dodge any prosecution or public scrutiny due to their control of the legal system and media.

    There have been many cases in recent history where establishment figures have been caught up in child prostitution rings but quickly had the story swept under the rug.

    One such case was on June 29, 1989, when the Washington Times' Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald reported on a Washington D.C. prostitution ring that had intimate connections with the White House and President George H.W. Bush. It was suspected that this was connected with the Franklin prostitution ring that was being exposed at the same time, in a different part of the country.

    That story involved the manager of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union in Nebraska. His name was Lawrence "Larry" King and he was also a prominent politician. Various unconnected victims accused him of transporting them around the country to be used as sex slaves for politicians. When the accusations finally came to light, the victims were railroaded out of court and threatened into recanting their statements, thus making themselves guilty of perjury in the process.
    SOTT Comment:
    For a more complete history of the Franklin scandal, see:
    "The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal": An Interview with Nick Bryant
    A Dangerous Movie - The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant
    The perjury was unfortunately enough to drop the case and actually send some of the victims to jail. The truth of the matter didn't come out until former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp went back to reexamine the case and discovered that the accusations were indeed true.

    Human trafficking is an industry of the ruling class, it always has been. Your average blue-collar, white-collar people aren't buying slaves, and they certainly aren't selling them either! This is still very much a part of western culture, even companies with major government contracts have been accused of organizing full-scale slave rings. These companies have not only been protected by their governments, but they were also able to keep the contracts and subsidies that they had prior to the accusations.

    Some of the world's largest multinational corporations such as DynCorp and Halliburton were exposed as major players in the global human trafficking market. These companies did not work alone, but cooperated with each other through various subsidiaries and had the luxury of government protection.

    When suspicion was brought upon these companies it was swept under the rug by government officials. Even high-ranking members of the establishment such as Donald Rumsfeld were implicit in covering up this scandal. On March 11th 2005, he was questioned by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and he admitted on the record that the allegations did have credibility, but he pushed the blame off onto a few "rogue" employees. He used the "few bad apples" line that the government always dishes out when they are caught up in a scandal.

    Although Rumsfeld and other high-ranking officials claimed that they would look into the situation, they actually prevented any serious investigations from taking place. This happens every day, even organizations like the UN and NATO have come under fire for running slave rings out of third world countries when they are on "peacekeeping missions."
    SOTT Comment:
    The above instances are only a few examples showing the depth of sexual deviancy that exists within elite circles, which have been systematically concealed for years. As the Pizzagate scandal threatened to expose the widespread nature of these practices, the ruling elites went into overdrive using the fake news meme in a desperate attempt to bury the story.
    ===================================================

    See this thread as well: While you were out… business as usual

    A few more "dots" to connect whichever way one wishes, in terms of military traditions:
    Athens: Cradle of Pedophilia and Mind Control

    Who is Kay Griggs?

    Athenian, Ideal Greek Tribes were the model for the Tribes of Israel

    Army training 'more harmful than the war' - veterans

    MKultra heirs
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    Here's an article that describes Ryan Youtube video about Alefantis' Pegasus Museum, the original of which Ryan took down, after threats from Alefantis: https://www.intellihub.com/youtuber-...sus-kill-room/

    The reuploaded copy of Ryan's video, as posted above by Eram in Post #146 is still available on Youtube.
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    Tip of the iceberg: Interpol says ICSE database helped identify 10,000 child sex abuse victims over past 5 years

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    Interpol's International Child Sexual Exploitation (ICSE) database has identified 10,000 victims of child sex abuse around the world since 2011, the press service of the organization said Monday.

    The ICSE database was created in 2011 and 49 countries are maintaining access to it.

    "Whilst we are pleased to have assisted law enforcement around the world identify and rescue 10,000 victims of child abuse, this is just the tip of the iceberg," Interpol Secretary General Jurgen Stock said as quoted in a statement by the press service.

    According to the statement, the ICSE database enables Interpol's experts to use sophisticated image and video comparison software to find connections between locations, abusers and victims.

    "In one case, officers in the UK were able to identify and arrest a suspected abuser and rescue the victim just 10 hours after images were shared via the ISCE database," the press service said.

    ===============================================

    So, really, what's that FBI doing?
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    [...]
    ===============================================

    So, really, what's that FBI doing?
    Well, here is from another investigation:

    Quote "Due to the extremely sensitive nature of this investigation and the damage its disclosure could cause, the case will be designated as a prohibited investigation in accordance with Counterintelligence Division Policy Implementation Guide," the report states.
    So, THEIR problem is to define "damage" and to "whom." That is, is their bread going to still be buttered both sides...
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    HERE IS MORE ON PEDOPHILIA, LET'S KEEP THIS TOPIC ALIVE !

    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...he_fbi_pedophi
    lia_and_child_sex/

    Was anyone else under the impression that pedophilia is fairly uncommon? I tried
    to list every major pedophilia related bust that I could, and I’m simply
    shocked. Surprisingly, a large number of these were not reported nationwide, or
    at all. A lot of the links are from local news outlets, and many are government
    websites. These stories need more coverage. People need to realize what we’re
    actually dealing with here.

    May 16, 1977 "Delta Project" Chicago is found to be center of national child
    porn ring

    Jun 24, 1987 Head of the UN's Children's fund in Belgium resigns after linked to
    child porn ring

    Apr 13, 1989 Ex-boyscout leader and ex-priest charged in child porn ring

    Mar 3, 1991 3 men charged for creating hundreds of child porn videotapes and
    abducting children

    Jul 17, 1996 16 worldwide indicted on child porn charges

    Sep 3, 1998 44 suspects worldwide arrested for child pornography ring

    Aug 12, 1999 15 charged for family run, multi-state child prostitution ring, 27
    minors recovered

    Oct 27, 2000 1500 child porn users tracked worldwide

    Jan 10, 2001 "Operation Cathedral" More than 100 involved in child porn ring
    arrested in UK

    May 26, 2001 "Operation Blue Orchid" 4 Americans and 5 Russians arrested in
    child porn investigation

    Aug 8, 2001 "Operation Avalanche" 100 arrested in child porn bust in Texas

    Aug 9, 2002 "Operation Hamlet" 20 arrested in international ring headquartered
    in Fresno, 45 victims identified. 1 million child porn images seized

    Feb 9, 2004 6 men charged in Illinois child porn ring

    April 5, 2006 Homeland Security official arrested in child sex sting

    2007 “Operation Flicker” 264 pentagon employees implicated in child porn ring of
    5,200 people

    May 17, 2007 Six east coast men charged in child sex trafficking scheme

    Jun 18, 2007 10 involved in child porn ring arrested in Delaware

    Jun 23, 2008 "Operation Cross Country" 21 children rescued, 356 arrested for
    child prostitution

    Oct 1, 2008 121 involved in child porn ring arrested in Spain

    Oct 27, 2008 "Operation Cross Country II" 47 kids rescued from prostitution, 642
    arrests

    Feb 9, 2009 ”Operation Joint Hammer" 170 arrested in ongoing international child
    porn investigation

    Feb 23, 2009 "Operation Cross Country III" 48 Children recovered, 571 arrested
    for child prostitution

    Aug 31, 2009 "Operation Twisted Traveller" 3 'child sex tourists' arrested

    Oct 26, 2009 "Operation Cross Country IV" 700 arrested, 52 children recovered
    from child prostitution

    Sep 3, 2010 Portuguese politicians among 6 found guilty of preying on children
    in state-run orphanages

    Jul 2, 2010 ”Operation Nest Egg" 50 people arrested, 38 convicted on child sex
    abuse in ongoing investigation

    Nov 9, 2010 "Operation Cross Country V 69 children rescued from child
    prostitution

    Mar 16, 2011 "Operation Rescue" British police expose 70,000 members of a
    pedophile network, save 230 children, arrest 184 worldwide

    Jul 7, 2011 Child pornography found on Assistant U.S. Attorney's computer

    Aug 3, 2011 "Operation Delego" 72 arrested for child pornography distribution
    and creation throughout 10 countries

    Nov 11, 2011 After his death, Jimmy Saville found to have abused more than 500
    children

    Jun 25, 2012 "Operation Cross Country VI" 79 children recovered, 100 pimps
    arrested for child trafficking

    Jan 3, 2013 “Operation Sunflower" More than 200 people arrested in international
    child porn ring, 123 victims identified

    Jul 19, 2013 "Operation Cross Country VII" 105 children recovered, 152 pimps
    arrested for child trafficking

    Nov 14, 2013 "Project Spade" 348 child porn arrests made worldwide, 386 kids
    rescued, 45 terabytes of child porn seized

    Dec 3, 2013 D.C. police officer charged with producing child porn

    Dec 11, 2013 Washington DC police officer accused of producing child porn on
    duty found dead

    Dec 11, 2013 2 D.C. cops accused of "pimping teens"

    Mar 19, 2014 "Operation Round Table" 14 arrested for sexually exploiting over
    250 children nationwide + 5 foreign countries

    May 21, 2014 "Operation Caireen" Rabbi, nurse, police officer among 70 In
    massive sweep

    June 20, 2014 D.C. police officer admits prostituting girls

    June 23, 2014 "Operation Cross Country VIII" FBI recovers 168 children and
    arrested 281 pimps from sex-trafficking rings across the U.S.

    Jul 5, 2014 At least 40 UK politicians complicit in alleged Westminster
    'pedophile ring' – report

    Jul 24, 2014 "Operation Predator Alert" Total of 28 charged in ongoing child
    pornography investigation

    Oct 16, 2014 "Operation Darknet" 55 arrested in child porn ring, including
    teachers, priests, and at least one member of the military

    Oct 30, 2014 11 people involved in international child porn ring sentenced to
    prison

    May 6, 2015 "Project Hydra" 41 arrested in Ontario child porn ring

    May 20, 2015 "Operation Hydrant" British celebrities and politicians among over
    1,400 suspected in child-sex-abuse scandal

    Jun 3, 2015 "Operation: L and P" 101 people arrested in sex predator sting
    including Disney World employee

    Jul 24, 2015 Philly restauranteur arrested and charged in child porn scheme

    Oct 14, 2015 "Operation Cross Country IX" 149 children recovered, 153 pimps
    arrested for child sex trafficking

    Oct 17, 2015 81 people involved with child pornography ring arrested in Spain

    Jan 5, 2016 "Operation Torpedo" rescues 6 children and sentences 19 to prison in
    nationwide investigation

    Jan 7, 2016 "Operation Kingdom Conqueror"21 involved in nationwide child porn
    ring arrested

    Jan 27, 2016 "Operation Malaise" 12 arrested involved in child porn ring in
    Canada

    Apr 6, 2016 "Operation Safeguard" Teacher & school bus driver among 16 arrested
    in New Jersey child porn sweep

    Apr 10 2016 "Operation Pacifier" 135 people in 18 states arrested on child
    pornography charges

    Apr 28, 2016 80 people charged in Canadian child porn ring, 870 victims in
    Ontario, another 173 internationally

    April 29, 2016 Former Speaker of the House of Representatives Dennis Hastert
    'serial child molester' sentenced to 15 months in prison

    May 5, 2016 "Operation Wild Fire" 5 arrested in child prostitution sting

    May 10, 2016 "Operation Subterfuge" 9 arrested in Tennessee child porn ring. 300
    US victims, 1600 worldwide

    May 20, 2016 “Operation Someone Like Me" 2 ministers and 30 others arrested for
    child prostitution and trafficking

    Jun 7, 2016 7 arrested for child prostitution in Aurora Colorado

    Jun 22, 2016 19 involved in child porn and solicitation arrested in Texas

    Jul 4, 2016 "Operation No Borders" 79 arrested involved in international child
    porn ring

    Jul 7, 2016 "Operation Broken Heart" More than 1,300 suspected child sexual
    predators arrested nationwide

    Jul 11, 2016 13 arrested in Spokane, Washington child sex abuse sting

    Aug 11, 2016 ”Operation Baby Face" 50 children rescued from trafficking in
    California

    Aug 18, 2016 "Operation Statewide" 40 people arrested in New Jersey child porn
    crackdown

    Oct 3, 2016 5 arrested in San Francisco child porn ring

    Oct 11, 2016 56 arrested in Spain involved with child pornography ring

    Oct 19, 2016 "Operation Cross Country X" FBI rescues 82 children, arrests more
    than 200 in sex trafficking sting

    Oct 26, 2016 "Operation Deep Connection" 7 people behind massive child porn ring
    arrested in Italy

    Nov 10, 2016 Chinese police arrest 300 child predator and pornography suspects,
    over 30 victims

    Nov 21, 2016 “Twittergate” Twitter user identifies 23,000 accounts associated
    with child porn

    Nov 23, 2016 "Operation Darkroom" 150 Terabytes of child porn seized in Norway

    Dec 7, 2016 Four face charges in suspected Quebec child pornography ring

    Dec 14, 2016 "Operation Underground Railroad" 10 arrested in child predator
    sting

    Dec 21, 2016 "Operation Safe Holiday" 36 Texas men caught sexually exploiting
    children

    Dec 21, 2016 37,000 child rape images and videos found at ex-USA gymnastic
    doctor's home

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    Alefantis being investigated by FBI after threatening researcher Ryan O'neal https://vid.me/oQeS (any way to embed vids besides youtube?)

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