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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Its cyclic---human vanity thinks we can affect this.
    However it is positive to get rid of bad atmosphere created by over use of coal etc for heating and what comes out of car exhausts and planes--fumes are not good for humans and we do need the trees for oxygen.
    Like everything else its a question of balance.

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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Its cyclic---human vanity thinks we can affect this.
    However it is positive to get rid of bad atmosphere created by over use of coal etc for heating and what comes out of car exhausts and planes--fumes are not good for humans and we do need the trees for oxygen.
    Like everything else its a question of balance.

    Chris
    The climate change/CO2 concept is really just picking out one isolated aspect and the expectation that this will fix things is kind of crazy. It's like having a car with engine troubles, a bad clutch, poor brakes and a leaky transmission and thinking you can get it in good running order by changing the oil. Our medical system and it's lack of great outcomes (with chronic diseases) clearly shows us, you can't isolate things in nature to rebalance and truly fix and restore things. Everything is connected. Just like correcting one lab result or getting rid of a symptom is no proof that health is restored. Getting CO2 levels to where some think they should be will not fix the bigger issues. What it can do, is allow the government to easily tax and manipulate the masses and that is what all this is about. One more layer in the multipronged control grid.

    When I hear someone spouting that we have 12 years before the whole planet falls apart, they loose credibility with me. I can see that basic thinking processes have not been used. Are we really supposed to believe that sitting around waiting for government agencies to legislate the care the planet need is going to work? None of the politicians that have sold out to corporations are going to risk being thrown off the gravy train. If they instigate the carbon tax in the US, where does that money go? Will they immediatly start cleaning up the oceans? No, it will either vanish (go the way of the 23 trillion that is missing) or go for endless studies and bureaucratic red tape that is about as effective as their assistance on the homeless populations is. As we speak, homelessness is being turned into big industry where the few can exploit them to profit. Why would the climate be any different?

    It seems to me the inversion of this planet is almost complete. It seems just about everything is topsy turvey. Interesting times is an understatement at this point.

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    The best 11 minutes I ever devoted to this issue -

    Scenario #4 | Real Climate Science


    Video response to terroristic actions taken by the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis. This video, the movie, and the follow-up series represent a nearly 100% outline of the 'middle ground' of climate science. And yes, pollution is awful.



    CLIMATE FORCING Movie: https://youtu.be/rEWoPzaDmOA

    Follow-Up Series:
    Part 1 | Plasma Climate Forcing: https://youtu.be/p-dq3JbZdr4
    Part 2 | Path to the Atmosphere: https://youtu.be/wt2dAq6CQas
    Part 3 | Vortex and Jet Streams: https://youtu.be/fLzXKxjFfao
    Part 4 | The Sun and The Oceans: https://youtu.be/ywKVfwJMGzM
    Part 5 | Tropical Storms: https://youtu.be/6ZL1qG8f4EM
    Part 6 | Rapid Temperature Forcing: https://youtu.be/frzf0nzX5RU
    Part 7 | Finale: https://youtu.be/TV-347eJdP0
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Hi there,
    just reading "Not In His Image" where I found an interesting sentence characterizing the whole climate scam. Quote: "Because it has become dominant script in the psychohistory of our species, there is a universal tendency to assume that it must be true, in one way or another, at one level or another." (pg. 85 Not In His Image by John Lamb Lash). There is a thread with this title

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    SUN, AND MOSTLY SEA, DRIVE EUROPE’S CLIMATE

    New research published in Science Direct finds variations in ocean currents, and to a lesser extent shifts in solar cycles, were the dominate drivers of European temperatures and climate change for the years 1901 to 2015.

    In particular, the team of international scientists from universities and research institutes in Germany, Switzerland, and the United States found two ocean cycles—the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)—exert very strong control over the continent’s climate, and shifts in solar cycles were associated with some localized regional temperature changes.

    The correlation between changes in ocean current cycles was so strong, tracking changes in temperatures so closely, there was no trend left to explain by other factors. In other words, the scientists found anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions were completely superfluous to explaining Europe’s wide temperature changes.

    The research team reports, after examining the history of shifts in the “AMO, NAO, and sunspots compared to monthly temperature data of 39 European countries for the period 1901–2015 in order to search for ‘fingerprints’ of the natural drivers,” they found temperature and climate variability is controlled by natural processes, primarily Atlantic ocean cycles and to a lesser extent, regionally, by changes in solar activity, with volcanic eruptions, unforced internal atmospheric variability, and anthropogenic factors playing a fairly minimal role.

    SOURCES: Climate Discussion Nexus; Science Direct

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    From Yahoo News, 4 days ago:
    Citing grave threat, Scientific American replaces 'climate change' with 'climate emergency'

    Scientific American magazine announced Monday that it would stop using the term "climate change" in articles about man-made global warming and substitute "climate emergency" instead.

    "Journalism should reflect what science says: the climate emergency is here," Scientific American senior editor Mark Fischetti said in a Monday post about the magazine's decision.

    To make his point, Fischetti pointed to the mounting number of weather-related disasters that most scientists agree stem from climate change.

    "A hurricane blasts Florida. A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it. A sudden, record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas," Fischetti wrote. "These are also emergencies that require immediate action. Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the earth in millennia: climate change."

    The oldest continuously published magazine in the U.S., Scientific American is not alone it its decision to highlight what it sees as an emergency requiring immediate action. It joined the Columbia Journalism Review, the Nation, the Guardian, Noticias Telemundo, Al Jazeera, Japan's Asahi Shimbun and Italy's La Repubblica in releasing a statement about the change in language.

    "The planet is heating up way too fast. It’s time for journalism to recognize that the climate emergency is here," the statement said, adding, "Why 'emergency'? Because words matter. To preserve a livable planet, humanity must take action immediately."



    The Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica

    Last week, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that, despite the pandemic, which curtailed travel and economic activity, carbon dioxide and methane levels in the Earth's atmosphere continued to rise, reaching their highest levels in the past 3.6 million years. The last time CO2 was at its current levels, global sea levels were 78 feet higher than they are today and the average global temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit hotter.

    Scientists have been warning that the increased amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere caused by human activity has already warmed global temperatures by 2 degrees Fahrenheit and is fast melting the polar ice caps.

    A study published on Friday in Science magazine found that the massive ice shelf stemming from Antarctica's Thwaites Glacier is even more unstable than previously thought, thanks to warming water melting the ice that connects it to land. A collapse of this single ice shelf would translate into a global sea level rise of up to 3 feet, the study concluded.

    If global warming isn't dramatically slowed and global average temperatures do rise by 7.2 degrees (4 degrees Celsius), over one-third of the entire Antarctic ice shelf will be at risk of collapse, said a second study conducted by researchers at the University of Reading, submerging whole countries and states like Florida and setting off the largest migration in human history.

    But sea level rise is just one of several threats facing mankind if global temperatures continue to rise, as the statement from Scientific American and the other media outlets made clear.

    "Failure to slash the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will make the extraordinary heat, storms, wildfires and ice melt of 2020 routine and could 'render a significant portion of the Earth uninhabitable,'" the statement said, quoting from an article in, where else, Scientific American.

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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    I remain completely unconvinced that there is any climate emergency warming situation.


    Glacially speaking, we are in the middle of a pause in a massive ice age, yet none of the climate alarmists seem to be mentioning the possibility of massive global cooling coming around the corner.


    It would be wonderful if climatologists owned up to the fact that they pretty much have no idea as to precisely what extent man made CO2 emissions are harmful - OR helpful in our current situation.

    This is where I depart completely from the climate alarmist lobby. For goodness’ sake, why not admit we are still trying to work out whether man made CO2 is harmful or helpful in delaying a catastrophic ice age cooling.


    Conclusion: those that bleat "climate emergency" without mentioning we might actually be lucky to cause a pause in massive global cooling should be ignored.


    NB - this viewpoint is completely unconnected with the need to clean up the planet - without doubt we need to do that but resource allocation would be very different if that were our focus.

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    Emergency! Emergency! Emergency! Antarctica is melting… Oops… Ohhhh…

    by Robert
    April 14, 2021



    Oops. Ohhhhh… These so-called ‘scientists’ must have forgotten. Turns out that volcanoes are melting the ice from below, not humans.
    “Evidence of Antarctic glacier’s tipping point confirmed,” shouts the headline on ScienceDaily.com.

    “Pine Island Glacier is a region of fast-flowing ice draining an area of West Antarctica approximately two thirds the size of the UK,” the article explains. “The glacier is a particular cause for concern as it is losing more ice than any other glacier in Antarctica.”

    “Currently, Pine Island Glacier together with its neighbouring Thwaites glacier are responsible for about 10% of the ongoing increase in global sea level.”
    Using a state-of-the-art ice flow model developed by Northumbria University’s glaciology research group, the researchers found “that Pine Island glacier has at least three distinct tipping points. The third and final event, triggered by ocean temperatures increasing by 1.2C, leads to a rapid and irreversible retreat of the entire glacier.

    The article, dated 1 Apr 2021, warns that such a retreat, “once started, could lead to the collapse of the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which contains enough ice to raise global sea level by over three metres.”
    “The researchers say that long-term warming and shoaling trends in Circumpolar Deep Water, in combination with changing wind patterns in the Amundsen Sea, could expose Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf to warmer waters for longer periods of time, making temperature changes of this magnitude increasingly likely.”
    Sounds pretty bad, doesn’t it? We should blame humans for all that warmer water, right?

    Uh, not exactly.

    What the article doesn’t bother to mention
    What the article doesn’t bother to mention is that the water is being heated by underwater volcanoes. And scientists have known this for at least seven years, probably a lot longer.

    Here’s an article I posted about this on June 10, 2014.

    “A new study finds that subglacial volcanoes and other geothermal “hotspots” are contributing to the melting of Thwaites Glacier, a major river of ice that flows into Antarctica’s Pine Island Bay,” this article shows.

    Volcanoes Melting West Antarctic Glaciers, Not Global Warming
    “Geothermal heat under the glaciers is likely a key factor in why the ice sheet is currently collapsing.” “A new study by researchers at the University of Texas, Austin found that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is collapsing due to geothermal heat, not man-made global warming,” says this article in The Daily Mail. “Researchers from … Continue reading Volcanoes Melting West Antarctic Glaciers, Not Global Warming

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    Here’s another article that I posted on August 11, 2014.
    “A new study by researchers at the University of Texas, Austin found that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is collapsing due to geothermal heat, not man-made global warming,” this article shows.
    And yet another article on September 16, 2014. This was actually a press release from the University of Texas.

    Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
    Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources
    Volcanoes hidden deep beneath the ice. Press Release from the University of Texas: Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources June 10, 2014 – AUSTIN, Texas — Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below … Continue reading Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources

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    Then in 2017 I posted yet another article about this, saying that underground streams of heated rock – heated by volcanic activity – might explain why Antarctica’s ice sheets are melting.
    NASA Has More Evidence Volcanic Activity Is Heating Up Antarctica’s Ice Sheet
    Underground streams of heated rock may be melting the ice.
    NASA Has More Evidence Volcanic Activity Is Heating Up Antarctica’s Ice Sheet By Michael Bastasch Ancient underground streams of heated rock, called a mantle plume, might be an explanation for the instability of Antarctica’s western ice sheet, according to a new NASA study. Scientists … Continue reading NASA Has More Evidence Volcanic Activity Is Heating Up Antarctica’s Ice Sheet

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    And finally, here’s a press release from the National Science Foundation, entitled “Previously unsuspected volcanic activity confirmed under West Antarctic Ice Sheet at Pine Island Glacier.”
    “…researchers don’t yet know how volcanic heat is distributed along the bottom of the ice sheet. However, researchers do know that the heat from the volcano is producing melting beneath the ice sheet.”

    The Pine Island Glacier meets the ocean. Credit: Galen Dossin, NSF

    So… when the alarmists start yelling at you, once again, that we humans are responsible for melting the Antarctic Ice Sheet – and that we must therefore destroy our entire economy – you might want to remember this:
    Volcanoes are melting the ice from below!
    This global warming hoax is getting way out of hand.
    ________
    Thanks to Winston Smith for bringing this latest ‘study’ to my attention.

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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Apologies if this has already been posted - a scam exposed about the 'clear skies' as a result of lockdown. Just under 2 minutes long.

    https://www.facebook.com/kalia.costa...7658624322455/

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    interesting article about climate change and interview with scientist revealing modelling techniques and flaws.
    includes link to book by modelling scientist Steven E. Koonin.

    (PS: right or wrong, I prefer readers to follow links rather than to clutter the PA database with stuff that is already stored elsewhere)

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/05/what-c...-cant-tell-us/

    book at
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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Global warming refers to a slight increase in world surface temperature anomaly, and has been confirmed even by deniers and skeptics via Berkeley Earth.

    Climate change refers to the effects of global warming, which include increased precipitation and warmth leading to more extreme conditions, or colder winters and warmer summers.

    To answer the question raised in the thread title, skeptics' recommendations argue for more funding and study because the science is "complex," which in turn ironically means more money for scientists, while contradicting other skeptics who conclude that there's enough proof to show that it's a hoax, and thus contradicting the claim that the science is "complex."

    What we do know so far are the ff.

    The NAS, which the Bush administration acknowledges is the "gold standard" of science review worldwide, went over dozens of major reports and studies on the matter across many years, and concluded that there is AGW.

    Berkeley Earth, which was established by skeptics to give an independent assessment of the matter, validated what the NAS concluded.

    Over fifty positive feedback loops have been detected the past two decades and are being studied. These are part of ongoing climate science studies. Even negative feedback loops, like oceans acting as heat sinks, have undesirable effects.

    Military organizations like the U.S. and German military forces, intelligence agencies as part of the Pentagon, multinational banks like HSBC, and even insurers like Lloyds of London have been issuing reports to their personnel and clients warning about the effects of global warming plus peak oil, and have been adjusting accordingly. (If you search online, you'll find the reports.)

    Most economies do not want to cut down on resource use because they need to industrialize. That means CO2 ppm is expected to continue rising until the effects of peak oil become pronounced, after which the global economy starts weakening due to limits to growth. Pandemics and wars may act as crisis amplifiers, together with the effects of climate change.

    Finally, there is a theory that 350 ppm is the tipping point, and we passed that a long time ago. In short, it won't matter even if fossil fuel use is decreased (and that's not likely as the world economy is heavily dependent on such for energy and even for petrochemicals that are part of tens of thousands of applications), as the feedback loops have already kicked in. Meanwhile, a resource crunch, both artificial (e.g., the effects of the 2008 crash and of the current pandemic) and natural (conventional oil production entering an undulating plateau starting in 2006), is inevitable.

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    Let’s Work For Science With Integrity: Steve Koonin’s New Book “Unsettled”
    It is not the global climate system that’s broken, it’s the alleged “climate consensus” that is. That in a nutshell is a central message of physicist Steve Koonin’s new book, “Unsettled: what climate science tells us, what it doesn’t, and why it matters”, available in bookstores and on Kindle on May 4th. The “climate consensus” alleges that:

    Humans have broken the earth’s climate. Temperatures are rising, sea level is surging, ice is disappearing, and heat waves, storms, droughts, floods, and wildfires are an ever-worsening scourge on the world. Greenhouse gas emissions are causing all of this. And unless they’re eliminated promptly by radical changes to society and its energy systems, “The Science” says Earth is doomed.

    Settled Science vs. Real Science

    “Settled science”, an oxymoron, is anything but settled says the author. Holman Jenkins in his recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal captures the author’s contribution to the climate change literature succinctly: “Mr. Koonin argues not against current climate science but that what the media and politicians and activists say about climate science has drifted so far out of touch with the actual science as to be absurdly, demonstrably false”.

    more at
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    I clicked on bbc.com/news today and the 3 top stories were pushing this old familiar lie ..


    Top Stories
    UN to reveal landmark climate report findings
    The report will be a "massive wake-up call" to governments to cut emissions, environmental experts say.
    Published1 hour ago
    Why China's climate policy matters to us all
    Published3 hours ago
    Greece wildfires continue to threaten villages
    Published2 hours ago


    They are desperate to convince us this is a real and immediate threat ... No doubt coming food shortages will be blamed on freak weather , the result of climate change ...

    I used to believe this was all about money , softening the public up to the 'carbon credit' slight of hand , which siphons off our wealth , taxes on anything which produces the life giving CO2....

    I now believe money is just a side issue ... They want to convince us humanity will not be able to solve this issue in time , China , by far the biggest emitter is doing nothing , electric vehicles are coming but very slowly.. So it's THE big (fake) problem with no solution ....

    Untill the malevolent ET's arrive ... They will tell us they normally don't interfere with developing civilization , but we are so close to global destruction they had to offer help .. emission free energy generators to power transport and electricity production , and if we let them supervise things the change over can be done in a few years .... This is their foot in the door to take control of society . With our permission.

    I expect things to get worse on many fronts , quickly . Then they will land offering solutions to all the problems , but fixing "Climate Change" will be the big sell.

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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Climate change isn't a "lie". Look around you.

    It's global warming that's the scare story that's spread by the media (easy to believe, but that's not what's happening), amplified by the false notion that it's man-made. There's a LOT about this elsewhere on the forum.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Climate change isn't a "lie". Look around you. .
    My understanding is the climate is not changing ... There is lots of anomalous weather .. flash floods ... cold snaps ...dry spells... hail storms (often "coincidentally" timed to destroy crops). It's all weather modification , engineered by the cabal ... If they were to stop this , the climate would be normal again ... They are also starting all the forest fires which are also blamed on climate change .

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    It's global warming that's the scare story that's spread by the media
    The media (cabal) no longer use the term "global warming" they shifted to "climate change" because then even cold snaps can be blamed on CO2 emissions.. any extreme weather can ...
    Before with the designation "global warming" cold snaps/hail storms could be cited as evidence it wasn't happening ...

    You will never see the BBC use the term "global warming " ... bbc.com/news
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    Default Re: "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    100% Mate,

    You are right there i believe. They are terraforming the Earth including Humans (the few left after the genocide) so "they" can come back and live here.

    I always quote David Icke because he was never wrong, and he has never sounded so positive as he does now about the future.. He says the next 2 years or so will be very very difficult for us as the cabal will throw everything they've got at us, but in or around 2024 we will "get help" and they who occupy the empty space will be no more.

    May the almighty benevolent spirit nurse and accept the innocent children who will be murdered by their own parents.

    Speak up and say no more.
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    Quote Posted by Watching from Cyprus (here)
    I always quote David Icke because he was never wrong, and he has never sounded so positive as he does now about the future.. He says the next 2 years or so will be very very difficult for us as the cabal will throw everything they've got at us, but in or around 2024 we will "get help" and they who occupy the empty space will be no more.
    That sounds interesting ... Does David say that in a video ? Can you remember which one ?

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    I believed both global warming and climate change are just to scare people, it all boils down to money. Because if you are living in the country side you wont feel that climate change lmao. Industrialization and commercialism is the causes of this human induced problems in the world.
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    Climate change is cyclical, universal, unstoppable, from space weather. No stopping it, this happens regularly, nothing to do with us, despite profiteering by the unscrupulous usual ‘fear-mongering’ factions. So glad you recycled, but outer space is on its usual course, so we are in for another ‘rockey ride’. It’s called NATURE.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Climate change isn't a "lie". Look around you.

    It's global warming that's the scare story that's spread by the media (easy to believe, but that's not what's happening), amplified by the false notion that it's man-made. There's a LOT about this elsewhere on the forum.
    Yes climate change is not a lie, Its natural for climate to change all the time. Saying that climate change is bad and is caused mostly by human activity is a lie.

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