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    Default How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

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    I've made the mistake of bragging about how many steps I go through to get good drinking water, so some other members have asked me to describe what I do.

    Ok - here goes.

    There are three major phases:
    1. Remove all the crud from my typical municipal water.
    2. Remineralize with a wide variety of water soluable minerals.
    3. Reenergize with music, magnets, light and vortices.
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    Removing the crud, the first phase, itself has three sub-phases:
    1. A whole house carbon filter using activated charcoal to remove some of the chloramine, a mix of chlorine and ammonia (by the way, I heartily recommend PureWaterProducts.com, of Denton, where I got this, and the next item.)
    2. An under the sink reverse osmosis unit, using a reverse osmosis membrane and a couple of carbon filters, to remove more crud.
    3. A Megahome Countertop Water Distiller, to get almost everything remaining out of the water, including whatever unhealthy "structure" it might have acquired, on its journey through the City of Denton Water Utilities pipes and processing.
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    Then remineralizing has several sub-phases and sub-sub-phases.

    The two main remineralizing sub-phases involve
    1. a quart jar containing a "sole" (water saturated with soluble minerals) and
    2. a larger two gallon "sun tea jar" that holds the final remineralized, re-energized, concentrate (at a concentration of about 50% of saturated.)

    I mix most of the soluble minerals, plus distilled water, in the quart jar, and let it sit on the shelf. I put in more minerals than the water can hold, so the excess settles to the bottom of the jar, and the rather murky looking liquid is about 100% saturated. This article explains in more detail how a typical sole is made: How To Make Sole.

    The minerals that I include in my quart of sole (pronounced "solay") are:
    • 2 Tbsp Redmond RealSalt (similar to Himalayan salt)
    • 1 1/2 Tbsp potassium bicarbonate (from nuts.com)
    • 1 Tbsp Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane (MSM)
    • 1/2 Tbsp sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
    • 1/2 Tbsp Epsom Salts (magnesium sulfate)
    • 1/2 tsp "The Gift" fulvic and humic concentrate from MotherEarthLabs.com
    • 1/8 1/2 tsp Borax (for its boron) (Cf Post #38, below.)
    • 1/8 tsp J.C.Crow's Lugol's 5% iodine solution (Cf Post #37, below.)
    (1 tablespoon (Tbsp) == 3 teaspoons (tsp) == 15 milliliters (ml).)

    The quart Mason jar holding this sole has four strong magnets taped to the outside, in alternating polarity, equally spaced, and the initial mix of the above ingredients, plus distilled water to full, is stirred in a vortex for a few hours using a Jeio Tech model MS-12TB magnetic stirrer, before going on the shelf to await being used in the next batch.

    Whenever the concentrate in the sun tea jar is more than a couple quarts down from being full, I replenish it in the second main sub-phase of remineralizing the water. I add into the sun tea jar the following ingredients:===

    Then the third and final sub-phrase begins, restoring the water's energy and structure.

    The above two gallon sun tea jar has six strong neodymium magnets taped around the outside of its midsection, in alternating polarity, equally spaced. I put the above ingredients into it whenever it's getting a bit low, and set it on the Jeio Tech magnetic stirrer, running with a nice strong vortex. I put a set of headphones outside the jar, playing classical music from a little "ipod" style music player, and I put a strong red LED plant grow light on top of it, facing down into the whirling water, in place of the usual glass lid. I let that run for several hours, at least.

    ===

    The result is pure (no crud), remineralized, reenergized water, at about half (50%) of the maximum possible concentration of these soluble minerals in water. This is (very approximately) ten times what would be a good concentration for drinking water.

    Both the 100% concentrate in the quart sole jar, and the 50% concentrate in the sun tea jar, are too salty for anything to grow in them, so can be left at room temperature.

    ===

    [Update - one more added step - see Post #46, below.]

    Then whenever I want some good water, I mix about 1 part of the 50% concentrate from the sun tea jar with about 10 parts fresh distilled water from my Megahome distiller. I also keep a quart of this mixed drinking water in a glass pitcher in the refrigerator -- yummy. This final drinking water is "perishable" ... if I put it in the cat's drinking bowl, I have to throw it out and clean the bowl in a few days, because "stuff" likes to grow in it. So I keep my drinking water in the refrigerator.

    ===

    The above still doesn't get all the minerals my body seems to enjoy. I also apply transdermal magnesium to my forearms now and then (when an old leg injury starts twitching), and take the occassional Epsom Salt foot soak. I take additional supplemental iodine, copper, zinc, selenium and lithium, in modest amounts (except for the iodine, of which I am taking more than what's typically recommended.) My "multivitamin" (actually the Life Extension Mix Powder, added to my smoothies) contains nine minerals, and lots of other stuff.

    ===

    I start off the day with a big, chilled, glass of this drinking water. It's not the sort of water you want to drink much of with meals, as it's quite basic (alkaline), and your stomach wants to be quite acidic to digest food. Then through the day, between meals, I will make teas and such, using the still warm distilled water with one part in ten of the sun tea jar concentrate added.
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    Default Re: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

    Fantastic detail, thank you Paul x 1000!!!

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    Default Re: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

    How long does it take from start to the finished product and how much does it cost? How long have you been doing it? and what benefits body and mind wise have you derived from it so far?

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    Quote Posted by Scorpio Girl (here)
    How long does it take from start to the finished product and how much does it cost? How long have you been doing it? and what benefits body and mind wise have you derived from it so far?
    There are lots of small, separate steps, that can be done at different times, on different days. Since I "work" from home, I can move between my computer and my kitchen, as the spirit moves me. I might spend on average a half hour or an hour per day, doing some part of this.

    Once the equipment listed above is purchased, or equivalents obtained that suit one's circumstances, and bulk quantities of the ingredients are obtained, the ongoing costs are nearly zero ... perhaps $10/month for the municipal water bill (that mostly goes for washing and toilet flushing, not drinking), and perhaps $5/month for the electricity to run the distiller (a gallon is needed every day or two.) I've not calculated the rate at which I should fund replenishig the bulk supplies. As a rough and wild guess, add another $5/month for that.

    The major equipment expense up front is the whole house chloramine filter and the under the sink reverse osmosis unit. One can easily spend $1000 or $2000 on such, and most water purification companies are quite skilled at upselling you to something that benefits their profits more than it benefits you. Gene Franks, the owner and primary operator of PureWaterProducts.com, is an exception - an honest and capable man. I actually chose Denton, Texas to move to, when I left Silicon Valley back in 2007, because I had been a customer of Gene over the Web when I was living in California, and I figured that a town that he'd be comfortable living in and doing business in might be a better than average town to live in.

    I've been trying different things with water filtering for a long time - several decades at least. Most of the supplies and equipment that I use today were purchased sometime perhaps two to nine years ago.

    The benefits are never known, as I continue to change things in my diet and life, as well as in my water. The sum total is working well for me. As I am fond of observing, life is not a controlled, double bind, statistically significant, experiment. You get one shot at this life, and it's all happening in parallel.

    I made a decision, back in 2005, to cease having anything to do with conventional medicine, except for (if needed) emergency trauma care (not needed so far - good), and dental work to remove the extensive toxic dental remedies that my good money had enabled me to purchase up until then. I chose to live and die, from that point forward, being my own doctor, for better or worse. My health is now far better, as I continue, one step at a time, to find ways in which I can take better care of myself.
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    Ah - one detail I forgot to mention: The big two gallon "sun tea jar" also has several quartz crystals inside it, which perhaps help with the re-energizing and structuring of the water, in addition to the magnets, music, vortex, and light.
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    Default Re: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

    Great information. Good water is really important.

    This below (what I do in Ecuador) is noted as an add-on. Not a substitute for Paul's highest-quality process!

    I have year-round spring water, right out of the mountain, so I'm blessed. It passes through a Berkey filter — and then I alkalize and mineralize it (or mineralize it more) using Santevia mineral stones, placed permanently in the lower container.

    The advantage is that they're cheap ($34) and take zero work or time. They just sit there and do their thing 24/7 to all the water that passes through.

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    Thanks Paul this thread has come timely for me.
    most of my life I have consumed spring or well water. when in doubt of well water quality I used biosand filter http://www.biosandfilter.org/biosand...x.php/item/229. only to remove unwanted bio contaminants not chemicals.

    right now we have no spring or well source so I am actually doing some studies on how to make the best quality water I can from the city water system. I am planning to make pure water first through carbon filtering and reverse osmosis. Then simply add some sea salt. I might include magnetic and/or vortex as suggested in this thread. I believe that uncontaminated river water on its way to the sea is the ripe water for drinking. so to make such a river water is simply dilute mineral concentrastion of sea water. The above mentioned process will do the trick for me minus the contaminants

    http://oceanplasma.org/documents/substitute.html

    Diluted seawater contains almost the same concentration of minerals and trace elements as blood plasma, and its sodium content matches that of blood. It has been used successfully in animal tests as a blood transfusion substitute, but human trials are long overdue.


    Seawater in its original and primal state had only one-third the saline content it has now, and this fact is still mirrored in the saline content of blood and tears. The oceans have become more concentrated through the ages, and their waters are now far too salty to drink in large amounts. To use ocean water as blood plasma, it must be diluted with ultra-pure water to the same concentration as blood plasma: namely, nine grams of salts per litre. As the perfect mineral supplement, it can be consumed orally in dilute form or full strength by those with no sodium sensitivities—but only in small amounts, like an ounce [0.03 litres] at a time, several times a day if necessary.

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
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    How To Make Sole.
    (link didn't work because of a new line - feel free to delete this post if you correct it in your original!)
    From Bill: Many thanks. Link fixed, in Paul's absence.
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    If water responds to the vibrations then a best structured water will immediately turn bad when consumed by a person with a negative vibe so I decided to simple sing after drinking water

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Great information. Good water is really important.

    This below (what I do in Ecuador) is noted as an add-on. Not a substitute for Paul's highest-quality process!

    I have year-round spring water, right out of the mountain, so I'm blessed. It passes through a Berkey filter — and then I alkalize and mineralize it (or mineralize it more) using Santevia mineral stones, placed permanently in the lower container.

    The advantage is that they're cheap ($34) and take zero work or time. They just sit there and do their thing 24/7 to all the water that passes through.

    Bill, a heads up from an Amazon review of those stones with respect to aluminum amounts (and given what you shared about your Father...)

    A particle quote from an article on aluminum.

    Link between Aluminum and the Pathogenesis of Alzheimer's Disease: The Integration of the Aluminum and Amyloid Cascade Hypotheses
    “Whilst being environmentally abundant, aluminum is not essential for life. On the contrary, aluminum is a widely recognized neurotoxin that inhibits more than 200 biologically important functions and causes various adverse effects in plants, animals, and humans. The relationship between aluminum exposure and neurodegenerative diseases, including dialysis encephalopathy, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and Parkinsonism dementia in the Kii Peninsula and Guam, and Alzheimer's disease (AD) has been suggested. In particular, the link between aluminum and Alzheimer's disease has been the subject of scientific debate for several decades. “
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    Amazon Customer's Review:

    I have been reading reviews of people saying they really enjoy these stones and that they make their water taste better and so on and so forth. So I decided to buy it and test the product myself.

    I have a berkey imperial filter which produce's great tasting water and this is my Base line water.

    I boiled the rocks as stated in their instructions before my test.

    I had 4 glasses of water all from the same batch of Berkey filtration and all sat over night about 8 Hours of saturation.
    1 with nothing so i could use for my base line sample.
    1 with the white balls. I saw no change in PH level.
    1 with the mineral rock. I saw a slight increase in PH maybe by 0.5-1 PH
    1 with both. I saw increase of 0.5 PH.

    After I had done this Test I took the Rocks and the white balls to work and we have a Highly sophisticated XRF Gun by Thermo Scientific. This is a $30,000 xray gun. This is an X-ray Gun that shoots Xrays at Metals and or rocks depending on the model you buy and it will give you the elements of the material you shot.

    Our Gun is for metals but has Most of the elements on the periodic chart with an exception of a few elements.
    The gun has two sets of filters 1 heavy and 1 light. the heavy filter finds heavy elements light finds lighter elements.
    Heavy is found in the first 5 seconds of shooting and the light filter turns on after that for as long as you hold the trigger.
    I held each mineral for about 35 second each to get a good and fairly accurate reading. with a +/- of 2%.
    Here are my findings

    The white ball results (36 seconds trigger hold):
    Al: 21% - Aluminium
    Si: 75%
    Fe: 0.5%
    Zn: 0.1%
    Zr: 1.2%
    Nb: 0.05%
    Bi: 1.1%

    No traces of copper, magnesium and manganese. Extremely low contents of Zinc, and Iron. I cannot read calcium, sodium and Potassium. So this does not mean they are not present but from what the Gun reads for what it can see I do not feel comfortable putting these elements into my body. They may raise the PH of the water but what our XRF gun can see is not beneficial minerals.

    The mineral rock results (35 seconds trigger hold):
    Al: 14% - Aluminium
    Si: 81%
    Fe: 4%
    Zr: 0.09%

    Again, no copper, magnesium, manganese and zinc. Cannot read calcium, potassium and sodium.

    If you add up the percentages you will see that it does not equal 100%. That is because the gun cannot read all the Elements in the rocks. So there may be calcium potassium and sodium in this mineral rock but I can guarantee there are no traces of copper, magnesium and manganese.

    Conclusion. These rocks are a fake and do not work. This is a scam.

    They work relative to raising PH level but I would not consider that it is raising the level with healthy beneficial minerals. Ever so slight traces possibly of healthy minerals as my gun did pick up zinc and Iron.

    I would personally recommend that anyone using these rocks stop using them. I do not think they are sanitary and safe for consumption. I will not be using them in my Berkey filter or any filtration system for that matter.

    Hope this review helps and that you guys make the right decision for your health and stay away from this.

    I am not a doctor or a scientist. I love science and health and am lucky enough to have access to some amazing equipment. These results are from my personal experience with the santevia mineral stones that I have purchased.

    Thanks for reading and God bless.

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    Be careful about trying to alter the acid balance of the body which will interfere with digestion - our body knows best! Natural Spring Water is all you need to drink, second best is carbon filters. There's structured water which is created by turbulence when water flows and rolls down a waterfall. There are expensive machines that create structured water.
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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    Be careful about trying to alter the acid balance of the body which will interfere with digestion - our body knows best! Natural Spring Water is all you need to drink, second best is carbon filters. There's structured water which is created by turbulence when water flows down a waterfall. There are expensive machines that create structured water.
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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    Be careful about trying to alter the acid balance of the body which will interfere with digestion - our body knows best! Natural Spring Water is all you need to drink, second best is carbon filters. There's structured water which is created by turbulence when water flows down a waterfall.
    Yup - that's why I don't drink water with, or soon after, eating any non-trivial amounts of fats or proteins. My tummy feels like it's got lumpy stuff in it if I drink alkaline water with my food.

    (Though saying this might be "trying to alter the acid balance of the body" is a bit overly generalizing in my view. Various parts of the body have various pH (acid/alkaline balance) at various times. The body naturally makes extensive and varied use of the raw materials you provide it, water and various minerals, to keep the symphony of life playing its music.)
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    Default Re: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

    Yes, don't drink whilst eating and always wait 15 minutes after eating befotre having a drink otherwise your digestion is all over the place - hence the bloating people often get.

    Our bodies are a finely balanced and delicate piece of evolution and we should only feed it what it needs - unfortunately in the interest of commerce most of what people eat is poisoning them because of lack of knowledge and education.
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    Also

    The acidity required in the stomach for proper digestion gets problematic by adding a base in there.

    As soon as food goes into the small and large intestines other enzymatic processes are activated which will provide the alkalinity that's required in that step of digestion in addition to bile from the liver.

    Also the body knows what it needs to do and when to produce base or acid as required.

    The immune system produces it's own peroxide to destroy invaders, etc...

    Actually we need to wait an hour after eating before drinking and 15 mins before a meal

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    Seawater in its original and primal state had only one-third the saline content it has now, and this fact is still mirrored in the saline content of blood and tears. The oceans have become more concentrated through the ages, and their waters are now far too salty to drink in large amounts. To use ocean water as blood plasma, it must be diluted with ultra-pure water to the same concentration as blood plasma: namely, nine grams of salts per litre. As the perfect mineral supplement, it can be consumed orally in dilute form or full strength by those with no sodium sensitivities—but only in small amounts, like an ounce [0.03 litres] at a time, several times a day if necessary.[/I]
    Yes - an excellent explanation of what concentration of dissolved minerals works best.

    Sea water has about 3.5% percent dissolved minerals, which would be about 35,000 parts per million. Apparently blood plasma is around 10,000 parts per million of the major mineral ions. I tend towards having my drinking water around 2,000 to 4,000 parts per million dissolved mineral solids, and I additionally drink other fluids (from fruits and veggies) with lower mineral concentrations.

    The body does an excellent job of fine tuning the proportions. So long as you provide sufficient variety and quantity of minerals in one's diet, it's fine and good, actually desirable, for the water to be more dilute than blood plasma. The kidneys will happily use the extra water (that it extracts while concentrating that water up to blood plasma levels) for "cleaning", to flush away toxins. Notice that the best drinking water seems to be less salty than blood plasma -- this leaves some "pure" water left over for the kidneys to dissolve and excrete toxins. If however the average daily variety and quantity of minerals in one's diet is less than the body would like to use, then the body will start either pulling minerals out of its stores in the body, such as from one's bones, or start using less optimum biochemical reactions to get done what it needs to get done, or in the worst case, just be unable to get done some (or all - oops) of what it needs to get done.

    Of course, anything injected or intravenously fed directly into the blood stream (such as vaccines <hah!>) needs to be more pure, much closer to blood plasma in mineral concentration, and much freer of toxins, because injected or intravenous liquids don't get to go through the body's natural filtering, concentration and dilution processes before being sent all around the body.

    Drinking just distilled, or very low mineral content, water will start to deplete the body's stores of minerals. On the other hand, drinking water that is " too salty", with mineral concentrations at or above blood plasma levels, will make the body use its stores of water to dilute it down to blood plasma levels, which is why sailors stranded at sea will die of thirst if they start drinking much sea water. Also, drinking only "too salty" water will tax the kidneys, as they will suffer from a shortage of "pure" water for use in dissolving and excreting whatever they find in the blood that they decide isn't worth keeping.

    This article provides more detail on sea water, and mineral concentrations in blood plasma: http://oceanplasma.org/documents/chemistry.html (though if your brain is suffering from years of inadequate minerals in your diet, you might find the article difficult reading <grin>.)

    I noticed when reading the article that my fancy drinking water has relatively less "salt" (sodium and chloride ions) than sea water, but more of the other major minerals such as magnesium and sulfates. I then remembered that I have another major source of minerals in my diet: I add salt (Redmond RealSalt) liberally to some of the foods I eat.

    This further might explain the appeal of "sea salt" (from modern oceans) or Himalayan or RealSalt (from ancient deposits of sea salts) ... they naturally have about the right balance of the major minerals that the body finds optimal.
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    Actually we need to wait an hour after eating before drinking and 15 mins before a meal
    The times will vary, depending on how vigorous one's production of stomach acid and corresponding bile is, and depending on the quantities and composition of the food and water.

    The tummy will let you know if you push it too hard, with that heavy feeling of food it's struggling to process.
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    Notice that there is one major mineral that is missing from my water - phosphorous, which one might expect to be in the phosphate form, just as sulfur, a similar mineral, is often in the sulfate form.

    Adding phosphates to this drinking water causes an immediate bubbling off of CO2 gas and a preciptation of some insoluble white powder. This is a variant of the chemistry used in leavening breads. I have an almost full, now apparently useless, 15 pound sack of phosphates that I bought to include in my water, before I realized this.

    Fortunately, phosphates and other forms of phorphorous are abundant in plants, even when grown in mineral deficient industrialized farm soils.
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    Be careful about trying to alter the acid balance of the body which will interfere with digestion - our body knows best! Natural Spring Water is all you need to drink, second best is carbon filters. There's structured water which is created by turbulence when water flows and rolls down a waterfall. There are expensive machines that create structured water.
    I definitely agree with you that is why I am careful to make the least alteration and stay away from water filtration process that brag of 21 stages or more. especially because I dont have access to expensive machines to prove the validity of claims Another thing that I am considering is to make and only use a huge carbon filter since I have access to free coconut shell charcoal and replacing the carbon elements will only entail labor cost.
    I was invited by a friend to try kangen alkali water. Due to many positive accounts I did try it and the persistent pain on my toes disappear after only few days of consuming alkali water. Since I am aware to consume only naturals I considered it a cure and stop consuming the said water after two weeks.

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    Be careful about trying to alter the acid balance of the body which will interfere with digestion - our body knows best! Natural Spring Water is all you need to drink, second best is carbon filters.
    So ... there's a good natural spring that I know of, perhaps 40 miles away. Should I make a weekly roundtrip of 80 miles (cost about $50 for gas, maintenance and depreciation of car) for several gallons of water, or should I work out, over a long time, how to replicate that spring water, using what's available to me?

    As I've noted above, the "acid balance of the body" is not one constant ... it varies widely over parts of the body, and circumstances. Not putting too much alkaline into a stomach that is trying to digest a big Thanksgiving dinner is easy - the tummy will tell you that you're making it difficult for it to do its job. At other times of the day, when not digesting food in the stomach, a refreshing glass of water rich in minerals and energy (whether spring water or "home made") is delicious and a quite ordinary task for the stomach to handle.

    When dealing with municipal water that has chorines, flourines, bromines, glyphosphate, pharmaceuticals, lead, mercury, other heavy metals, petroleum distillates, fertilizers, and lord knows what else, a carbon filter is not enough, not even close.

    It's fine by me if you are in a situation with a couple of nice sounding simple rules of thumb are sufficient to guide you in your choice of water.

    But I would not agree that any such rules of thumb apply generally or that they refute more complex solutions for other situations (which is how I read some of your post.)
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