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    Zoroastrian.

    Zoro, the hero who combated colonial oppression, and looked good doing it.

    That t.v. show was not a coincidence, as weren't the movies of the same name.

    Many things are hidden in language, if we only look and listen to the connections hidden in plain sight, and sound.

    There are so many cross references in language, culture, history, travel and the battles for the heart of humanity.....
    All waiting to be re-discovered..

    I often hesitate to write because so many things are obviously connected and being so, I see some of my writing as juvenile, even pedestrian.... But it is best to start off just walking.

    I hold back, waiting for others to join in, as I know, quite factually, that some here on Avalon have so much to share....

    It is the method of all who wish to control others to hide those connections,

    And it is our way to rejoin those things that were separated....
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    And, Many Thanks to you D-Light for posting all of the stories....!!!!!
    I see many connections, especially in my understanding of sacred languages.

    Since we have been studying and discovering the history of the Vikings in South America at around the same time that the Cathars were thriving in the south of France....

    The next question, the next discovery is....

    Are there many connections between these two, outside of becoming the target of colonial catholicism and it's long history in suppressing not only the fair trade of any competition,

    But of being absolutely and literally diabolical in suppressing the more essential connections to the possibilities of dynamic self discovery, alive in the deeper spiritual and historical connections from even before the Essenes, The Ones connected to the Essence.

    Whenever the dominating class of politically religious factions, especially the Papa'L ones, sense the presence of an essential truth that leads to individual spiritual growth, and the accompanying courage it always generates.......................

    They go out of their way to suppress the receptive power of the divine feminine....the one that listens and learns.....and whose expression is much more impactful, whether it comes from a woman or a man....

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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    You may enjoy a wander through this site: https://www.cathar.info/cathar_whoswho.htm
    Thank you so much for this! I will forward it to my friend, as a particular section will be especially relevant to her!!

    (By the way, I've ordered Arthur Guirdham's "The Cathars and Reincarnation". This whole thing is fascinating!)

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    This extraordinary and classic work of deep research contains a very great deal about the Cathars. It's quite some rabbit hole, but is highly highly recommended.

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    Quote Posted by Old Student (here)
    Recommend a book, In Search of Zarathustra, by Paul Kriwaczek. Lots of information about the Cathars, the Albigensian Crusade and other groups all around Europe starting in Roman times that had ties back in some way to the Zoroastrians.
    Here's the book:

    https://projectavalon.net/Paul_Kriwa...arathustra.pdf


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    Wow, thank you, Bill! I'd heard of that book before, but never got round to reading it.

    Edit: Wow, and another one, thank you! I'll go and excavate my e-reader!
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    I'm sitting here, sipping coffee and I'm halfway through watching this talk and I'm loving it! This woman gives her fascinating account of her journey and research into The Cathars.
    There's lots of lovely info here. She talks about her travels across France and what she learnt talking to many of the folk who feel in their hearts that they are reincarnated Cathars that burnt in the fires and have returned.

    I don't want to get sidetracked here, but last night I was wondering about Dolores Cannon and her Three Waves of Volunteers work. I'm not saying that the possibility of returning Cathars are the Three Waves - the timing doesn't fit, but I wonder if there's a similarity in terms of these people being here on this planet and this desperate time, to shine their light? Perhaps I'll find out more as I carrying on watching ...

    Anyway, back on topic, enjoy ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aid_mKZz6ns

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    I am pretty sure that duality must be resolved to unity at a larger context. However, I do not know why that seems so true? In thinking about what has been "done" under the name of unity, where it denies individuality, that also seems so true. I am feeling tired, my mind seems muddles when trying to understand what is "true" about "the state we are in". I have felt very uplifted by ideas I hold concerning resolution of PARADOX that seems the only constant in this world.

    Once or twice, a little while ago, I thought I was getting a grasp on my POV. The more I learn, the less I know. HOWEVER, I KNOW what happens every day when I hold LOVE in my heart for those around me. They feel it and it seems a bubble of good is right there between us. So, I will hold that thinking is irrelevant to what is important.



    Quote Holy Blood Holy Grail

    A nineteenth century French priest discovers something in his mountain village at the foot of The Pyrenees which enables him to amass and spend a fortune of millions of pounds. The tale seems to begin with buried treasure and then turns into an unprecedented historical detective story - a modern Grail quest leading back through cryptically coded parchments, secret societies, the Knights Templar, the Cathar heretics of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries and a dynasty of obscure French kings deposed more than 1,300 years ago. The author's conclusions are persuasive: at the core is not material riches but a secret - a secret of explosive and controversial proportions, which radiates out from the little Pyrenees village all the way to contemporary politics and the entire edifice of the Christian faith. It involves nothing less than... the Holy Grail.
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    Enjoyed this very much. Plasma (a living light), pleroma and aeons....


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    A series on gnostics

    Quote "In 1945 an Egyptian peasant discovered a collection of early Christian scriptures - the Nag Hammadi Codices, which revealed the existence of a Gnostic version of Christianity. Gnostics (derived from the Greek word gnosis - meaning `knowledge') felt that they could get to know God, and their own soul, going a step beyond faith. Their message, and the words of the `Gnostic Gospels' were buried in the sand of the Egyptian desert. Some scholars now believe these scriptures to be just as authentic, if not more so, than the books we collectively know as the New Testament."


    Already posted but included here for continuity
    Quote "In the late 12th century `Cathars' started preaching an alternative form of Christianity to that of Roman Catholicism, in the French region of Languedoc. Empowering abstinence and poverty, they called themselves Good Men, and believed that the world was an alien environment for man's soul. The Roman Catholic Church tried unsuccessfully to persuade them they were wrong. Then came the Inquisition, followed by the Albigensian Crusade which crushed the rebels with a military campaign. The `heretics' were burned at the stake by the hundreds, and again Gnosticism was supressed. Brian Blessed plays a Cathar Bishop, and Ian Brooker plays a Spanish Monk, in an attempt to recreate a theological dispute in France, 1206."


    Quote "Egyptian Gnostics texts came to Florence in 1492. The Gnostic idea, that man has the capacity to rise above his worldly fate to become a spiritual being, even to be `as God' was the heretical centrepiece of Renaissance philiosophy. This spiritual notion was forced underground by by the Catholic Church's opposition, and into the world of magic and alchemy. However a modern millionaire, Joost Ritman, is an example of how Gnoticism continues to defy the passage of time, to re-emerge in every spiritual era."


    Quote "The Gnostic Gospels said that the world was no place for the divine soul of man, that the world was tragic and that it wasn't created by God, but by a lower life divinity. To the question "Did a good God create a world of pain" they replied that there was a crack in the universe. The first 20th century scholar to read the Gnostics was C.G.Jung - their `Gnosis', or knowledge, was to him spiritual self-knowledge. In this programme, scholars debate the relevence of the Gnostic `pulse' for modern man."

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    These two threads might offer some further value.

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    This seems Gnostic and the world is seen as a simulation for learning


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    This is really interesting. The part about star constellation connections reminded me of the work of Wayne Herschel (http://thehiddenrecords.com), who discovered that there are many ancient building complexes resembling star constellations. (He also has an interesting theory about certain symbols from various civilisations representing how Orion's belt acts as a marker to find a place near the Pleiades, which he thinks may be a clue to our origins.)

    Edit: I realise this may seem a little off-topic, but I do wonder if there is a connection.
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    Quote Posted by Anna70 (here)
    This is really interesting. The part about star constellation connections reminded me of the work of Wayne Herschel (http://thehiddenrecords.com), who discovered that there are many ancient building complexes resembling star constellations. (He also has an interesting theory about certain symbols from various civilisations representing how Orion's belt acts as a marker to find a place near the Pleiades, which he thinks may be a clue to our origins.)

    Edit: I realise this may seem a little off-topic, but I do wonder if there is a connection.
    Thankyou for introducing him to me.

    I am listening to this seeming recent talk.



    This was very interesting

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