Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

[Tintin]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides. We don't have control of what the Corey Good supporter side has to side. We do, however, have the ability to shape our side of the message. That being said, here are a few guidelines I would suggest:

1) Take a deep breath of air. Remain calm and lucid. Know that the Corey Goode will story will be debunked and eventually, it will be universally accepted as a fraud. We don’t have control of the timeline of how the events unfold, we don’t know what disinformation tricks they have up their sleeves, but in the end, the truth always prevails. We will get there in good time, but until then, enjoy the scenic detours that will be created.

2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. When someone gives you their argument, listen carefully and try and find one or two weak points. Then offer them the least amount of verifiable and factual information it takes to counter those points. They certainly aren’t going to change their conclusions while you are shouting at them, and probably not even while you are talking politely at them. But if you leave them with a few good tidbits, this may lead them to start thinking on their own, on their own time, and coming to different conclusions.

Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children. Referring to them as “Corey’s Kids” is just plain foul. And while Roger Ramsaur does have strange tattoos, as many in the heavy metal community do, and may have participated in “a ritual”, this does not necessarily make him a “Satanist” and calling him one until this is definitely proven is also foul.

3) We need to try and come up with a simple, concise argument that fits within the short attention spans most early 21st century homo sapiens possess (especially for those not so sapient) that boils down to just a few bullet points. What are the smoking guns, and what are the simple facts (as opposed to the complex ones). Many 9/11 truthers decided that the most compelling piece of proof that have is the collapse of building 7. Is there a building 7 in the Corey Goode story?

In the end, the truth will prevail. The trick is getting it to do so without the violence and blood shed, because there will be more battles to fight after this one.

Some of the most sensible and erudite commentary that anyone has so far made about this subject matter: excellently put and I couldn't agree more.

[Tintin]

Posted by muxfolder (here)
Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.

:-) Spot on. And, I like your name as well

[Atlas]

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Some of the most sensible and erudite commentary that anyone has so far made about this subject matter: excellently put and I couldn't agree more.

Yes I agree. A must read!

[Bubu]

Is this how stupid people are in his view? Is there anything that's not infiltrated? well maybe yes because everything is actually owned including ufology.

[Tintin]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
Seems like an odd caption for a "show" because "ufology" was infiltrated from the get go and I think most serious veteran researchers and onlookers already know that.

I have no doubt that "ufology" was infiltrated--by ETs!

For example, in 1967 police officer Schirmer was abducted by members of the flying serpent ET group and was told: "This is an observation ship with a crew of four men . . .They send information little by little to prepare us . .. and also to disconcert and intrigue us . .. lately they have let us see too much . . .all should believe a little in them, but not too much. . . ." (See p. 37 of pdf of the EYE OF RA for details, link below--and thanks to the late Wendell Stevens for allowing me to reproduce the pictures from his book).

In my view as one who has had many experiences with the winged serpent ETs and their ET co-conspirators, they are the actual source of the infiltration and manipulation. I have no doubt that the Annunaki and their ilk are still alive and well and are the puppeteers at Langley, Pentagon, WDC, DUMBs, etc. These insidious ETs are still the instigators of endless wars on this planet.

The "ufology" circus that we are now witnessing is just a manifestation of ET dialectic machinations.

Also, anyone can start a YouTube channel and invite people who are eager for attention and put on a "show".

BTW, who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?

From my own experiences I found that etology--the study of ETs--yields more significant information than studying their space craft.

ET machination is a certain possibility or, an in all probability, based on my explorations. By the way I enjoyed the Ufoology pun. Funnily enough Miles Johnston at last year's Awake and Aware conference used the very same play on words (without the 'Oh gee' bit)

Also, if anybody can come up with another anagram of 'Corey Goode' apart from this one I will offer, please do share:

Code: Grey 00

[sunwings]

Corey is excited about the Jimmy Church appearance tonight. Found this on his facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/...62594290705026

[Shadowself]

Looks like this is not about Corey Goode and his blue avains? But he said....

[Kristin]

Posted by Shadowself (here)
Looks like this is not about Corey Goode and his blue avains? But he said....

Attachment 35468

I'm glad Corey continues to say such exaggerations, the more the merrier.

[Cardillac]

@Bill Ryan

"Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more"- for/under which pretenses?- please inform-

Larry

From Bill: all here.

• https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...n-David-Morton

[Satori]

Posted by muxfolder (here)
Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.

You know you're over the target when you start getting flak.

[RunningDeer]

UFO Community Roundtable. The show has begun.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Radio host Jimmy Church announced last night in the intro to his show that Wednesday (tomorrow) he'll be hosting a major round table to look at 'whether ufology has been infiltrated'.

He says it might be the most important show he's ever done — and promised we'll all 'be surprised'. He says it's 'not what we think'.

He's not saying yet who his guests will be, though he may reveal more tonight. He states he refuses to partake in any 'negativity'.

He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.

The 12 minute segment (with all unconnected material edited out) is here... do listen.

• http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Churc..._June_2017.mp3 (6 Mb)

[norman]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

This is like listening to the driver of the hype train getting his mates to shooo the chickens off the track.

The second section was nearly as bad as the first, but the KGRA guy had a slight moment of having a go at the hype end of things. For the most part, they are framing it up all wrong by implying that those who they call negative are complete disbelievers in anything at all in the ufology/paranormal field. This show is so far shaping up to be a complete crock.

This thread needs a title change badly. You know the sort, like when Bill adds [HOAX] to the beginning or end of a thread title. In this case it should be [CROCK]


Please excuse me if I get too bored or fall asleep and fail to complete my notes on this show.I was really going to cover the whole thing but I'm losing the will to live right now.

[Mike]

Posted by norman (here)
The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by norman (here)
The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.

Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)

[Atlas]

I understand they just said something like: "bulls#hit is not worthy of attention". I'd rather agree with that.

[Mike]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by norman (here)
The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.

Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)

Thanks for posting the link Paula!

Still holding out hope. Maybe we'll get something good here coming up.

[UfonautRadio]

Are we still in kindergarten? JC is saying we shouldn't question claims because it's just not nice and negative. We should keep it to ourselves.

Now someone is talking about people who disagree are losers...

Most of the guests have no idea about the elephant in the room because Jimmy won't let them say it or speak to it. It's CG, DW, and Gaia. It's too negative lol. The choice of guests were hand picked for their easy going nature, and non combative history.

Why didn't he just have CG and DJ or BR on? Not rocket science to figure out why...

[Shadowself]

Help me here....Who is on this show? I just signed on and started listening but do not know who is talking.

Thanks in advance!

Never mind. I just got the name of the guy talking.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Shadowself (here)
Help me here....Who is on this show? I just signed on and started listening but do not know who is talking.

Thanks in advance!

Never mind. I just got the name of the guy talking.

Hi Shadowself, I just caught your post. If I don’t refresh the browser page the new posts don’t show up.

The format is two guests per half hour for a three hour show. I couldn’t say who spoke because I don’t recognize any of the names. Jimmy Church will upload this show onto his YouTube channel tomorrow. Here’s the link - Fade to Black

[norman]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.

Hey Ufonaught, this Jimmy Church crock has been worse than useless. How about we all rally round and put together something actually related to the problem and do it on your show?