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    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)
    Dennis, I agree with your opinion. I only hope we will be gentle on blufire. I am still unsure if I am right or she is right, so just let us see both sides.
    I like blufire, and she knows it. Apathy is what people express when they don't care. Blufire gets no apathy from me. I'm holding up a mirror, and pointing out reality. I can point out 21,347,892 instances where "the powers that be" have acted against the interests of humanity and Gaia and all life forms. (And, that's just off the top of my head.) The odds are not good that someone's conjecture that TPTB might be really good guys is going to outweigh the evidence that they are not. It is counterproductive to attribute benign attributes to malignant entities.

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    From Courtney Brown in Harley Hawkins post #209 here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...900#post794900
    The first part is pertinent to this discussion....
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    This paper has been referenced before in this thread. It was published around november 2012, I think. I have read all his papers before and am re-reading the one on Geoengineering right now. I was just reading this passage and I thought to myself 'This is exactly what Dane Wigington is talking about in his presentation, what is happening in the US right now':

    Quote Drought occurs in the areas that are being heavily seeded, as these nanoparticles in the upper
    atmosphere form condensation nuclei for rain—but there are so many nuclei, they never condense
    sufficient water on them to get heavy enough to fall out of the sky, at least not right away. They just
    stay up there as water vapor, drifting with the air currents, creating drought conditions below. Given
    enough exposure to moisture over time, they will condense sufficiently to form rain. Due to the
    significantly higher volume of nuclei, will have a much higher “rain density” than a natural storm, so
    when it rains, it pours—the superstorm. This creates an unnatural dichotomy; upwind you will have
    drought, downwind you will have excessive rain.
    Thank you Limor and Roman for linking it here. I also find it very interesting and I think it connects alot of dots.

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    Well I guess we have west coast Americas rain here in the UK I wonder how much methane will be produced when/if they kill us all.?

    On a glass half full note -perhaps they have punched holes in our atmosphere because methane is lighter than air and they just want to get rid of it off planet?

    Yes that's it Earth has to break wind !
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    Chocolate . . . Dennis is right . . . I know he likes and cares about me as he knows I like him a whole bunch too . . . he’s like the older brother I never had that likes to irritate and prod me a bit and I in turn worry the hell out of him. I think I could put gripreaper in this love/aggravate relationship too . . . . he is on me like a yard dog when I post certain things but I don’t mind . . . I know (at least I think) he is mostly worried about my state of soul and mind and with what or who I may influence (what he feels) may be in the wrong direction.

    I feel (could be really wrong here) I mostly make people really think. I do not think in the way most Avalonians do and this is a threat and probably makes many a little frightened. I also am very aware that it makes many very angry that I would rock the preverbal boat (I don’t mean to), it’s just that many concepts, theories and memes on PA and the alternative world do not make sense to me when you break them down. And it makes me very angry that so many are being deceived and manipulated not only by ‘them’ but also by people on this very forum

    Two examples of what I mean:

    (1) The Fake Chemtrail Killer Snow that won’t melt . . . . . well folks just where is all this snow that doesn’t melt? Shouldn’t there be tons and tons of the stuff just lying around in people’s yards, cities and the entire countryside? Shouldn’t there be thousands of dump truck loads that we could take to labs and have the stuff analyzed? Where the hell did it go? Did ‘they’ come in the night and scoop it all up and take it away so we would have no evidence of Chemtrail Killer Snow?
    (2) The Killer Nano-particulate Metals: Where is the evidence of all these millions of tons of nano laden metal debris? If there is this massive amounts (or even small amounts) of these nano metals in my or everyone’s front yard shouldn’t we be able to take samples and see undeniable irrefutable proof that these are real? I am not talking about some hyped up youtube video or statement from someone’s website or forum . . . I am talking about walking out in your own yard and taking your own samples. High powered microscopes are cheap. . . do you own research . . .I do.

    Go to an independent lab and have blood drawn and ask to have specific tests run on this blood. I have a 36 panel blood test run about twice a year that costs me about $50. These are simple very informative blood tests that you can use to monitor your own health. These simple blood tests would tell you if you are laden with strange metal particulates, not to mention odd little microscopic robot thingies.

    Can you see why I am so skeptical and angry and frustrated? There is no killer chemtrail snow or copious amounts of nano laden particles.

    Chemtrails? Yes!
    Geoengineering? Yes!

    Dennis you said that I was supposed to take the red pill and not the blue pill and that ‘they’ have gotten to me. Again, big brother all I can say is you are wrong, bless your pea pickn’ heart.

    I have taken neither pill . . . . To take either pill, as it is meant in the alternative world, means I either swing from one or the other polar opposite to how we are currently viewing our existence and I am working hard to stay on middle ground. I am working hard to remain free from dualistic thinking and living. To refuse to swing or to take the red or blue pill allows me to stay more balanced and therefore to see more clearly what is happening around us at a steadily increasing pace.

    You implored that I resist and to fight back and to rebel . . . . . Well, all I can tell you is that I am and probably am accomplishing more that I ever have. I am a huge rebel in heart and soul and a slave to no one. The problem lies (within being member of PA) is that I am not a rebel or fighting back in the way most PA members think or do. I am waiting and watching and observing, all things.

    I have mentioned many times that people should read Sun Tzu’s The Art of War. I swear by this little book. Sun Tzu’s philosophies and strategies with war and human nature have allowed me to settle into a mode of life and future that is accomplishing more than ever. It keeps from being unproductive and making erroneous goals. Know your enemy first and this can take many years of watching and analyzing . . . .

    The biggest truth (or one of them) is many times your most profound foe can be the very one you thought was your greatest ally
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    Quote Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
    Hi all

    Does this info make any sense to anybody??????????????? https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...6&d=1391885951

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    Quote Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
    Hi all

    Does this info make any sense to anybody??????????????? https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...6&d=1391885951

    Regards

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    Previous thread regarding that material: Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP,World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension
    Must be getting bloody old,HA

    Regards and thank you

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    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    Chocolate . . . Dennis is right . . . I know he likes and cares about me as he knows I like him a whole bunch too . . . he’s like the older brother I never had that likes to irritate and prod me a bit and I in turn worry the hell out of him.
    Yep.

    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    (1) The Fake Chemtrail Killer Snow that won’t melt . . . . . well folks just where is all this snow that doesn’t melt? S
    The melted snow should have simply been chemically analyzed, period. The water (I'll bet a sack of potatoes) would have numerous pollutants due to 21st century society and sparsely regulated corporate polluting piggies, plus aluminum and barium compounds from geoengineering. "Burning" pristine, "real" snow with a butane lighter will make a polluted mess, because butane burns dirty.


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    (2) The Killer Nano-particulate Metals: Where is the evidence of all these millions of tons of nano laden metal debris? If there is this massive amounts (or even small amounts) of these nano metals in my or everyone’s front yard shouldn’t we be able to take samples and see undeniable irrefutable proof that these are real? I am not talking about some hyped up youtube video or statement from someone’s website or forum . . . I am talking about walking out in your own yard and taking your own samples. High powered microscopes are cheap. . . do you own research . . .I do.

    Can you see why I am so skeptical and angry and frustrated? There is no killer chemtrail snow or copious amounts of nano laden particles.
    So, research by others is bullsh!t? Really? Whose research can we rely on - only our own? Do you really think the scientists that were interviewed for the documentary "What on Earth are they Spraying?" - reportedly credentialed scientists - just flat out lied when they say that samples were taken far off-road and far away from civilization that show aluminum concentrations 6000 times highrer than baseline data for the area? You're no doubt familiar with "extrapolating" data, and that is how the calculations are made that there have been "copious amounts" of metals sprayed. You didn't think that we we have to scrape a 1/4 inch of soil off of the entire US to gain insight into how much has been sprayed, did you? (rhetorical) You can't possibly be suggesting that the scientists who claim to have taken soil, water, and snow samples are all lying and making this all up, can you? Your most serious accusation "there [are] no copious amounts of nano-particles [geoengineering metals] is accusing all of these scientists (not so 6th grade dropout YouTubers) of deliberately falsifying data.

    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    Chemtrails? Yes!
    Geoengineering? Yes!
    So what exactly are they using for geoengineering that you agree is happening, since you say it is NOT metals as has been scientifically reported?

    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    Dennis you said that I was supposed to take the red pill and not the blue pill and that ‘they’ have gotten to me. Again, big brother all I can say is you are wrong, bless your pea pickn’ heart.

    I have taken neither pill . . . . To take either pill, as it is meant in the alternative world, means I either swing from one or the other polar opposite to how we are currently viewing our existence and I am working hard to stay on middle ground.
    Hang on a minute. The BLUE pill (meme) is the drug that obscures reality, and allows you to blissfully acquiesce to all that is happening to you, so that you will not see reality.

    The RED pill is a placebo. It is not a drug, it is a symbol of wanting to no longer be drugged to "see" a fantasy, but rather to want to see reality. If you take no pill or the red pill, you experience reality (I know, in the "Matrix" movie, the red pill was "active", but in the sense of needing an antidote.)

    There is no "middle ground" between truth and a fictitious, engineered, quasi-reality. Truth is the absence of fiction/lies. This is not a false dichotomy. You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.

    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    I am working hard to remain free from dualistic thinking and living. To refuse to swing or to take the red or blue pill allows me to stay more balanced and therefore to see more clearly what is happening around us
    The fictitious middle ground between truth and lies is some sort of confusion, befuddlement - and not a desirable state for peaceful peasant or warrior. Telling others to "stand down" when they should be fighting is putting them in danger. Wait and see? The GMO issue you personally can circumvent for yourself, but there are millions of "captive" humans (prisoners, and the the people induced into a stupor by the blue pill - television and believing official government lies) who cannot. How do we not breathe-in the geoengineering elements/compounds? I suspect that the Global Elite have methods of filtering nanoparticulates out of the indoor air they breathe, and some method of detoxifying what they are subject to breathing. Wait and see is false hoe and bad advice.


    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    You implored that I resist and to fight back and to rebel . . . . . Well, all I can tell you is that I am and probably am accomplishing more that I ever have. I am a huge rebel in heart and soul and a slave to no one.
    Good!


    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    The problem lies (within being member of PA) is that I am not a rebel or fighting back in the way most PA members think or do. I am waiting and watching and observing, all things.
    I see the biggest clash with PA members as your notion that people and corporate entities and militaristic entities that have proven time and time again that they are self-serving, greed-driven, sociopathic/psychopathic MIGHT really be good guys that we simply do not yet understand. This is rubbish. You don't have to hate rattlesnakes, but you had better learn how to identify one.

    Here is where I think you found a gray zone, and applied it to all instances: You figured out that "The Government" is not evil, because "The Government" is made up of individuals, some of whom are absolutely NOT evil. There was a project (something about cleaning up a coal mining site and reclaiming the land), and you decided it would be wise to stop seeing "them" as the enemy, and you worked with the individuals that were receptive...and accomplished the task at hand. Had you been stubborn and refused to deal with "them" (the lump sum), the task would not have been accomplished.

    I think a whole bunch of people at PA got what you were saying, and applauded your wisdom and your efforts.

    However, it appears that you have extrapolated from this experience, and that you now believe that the cluster of people I'll call the "Global Rulers" are not a homogeneously evil entity. You believe Monsanto (the high-level decision-making segment of Monsanto) is not evil. You believe the military/intelligence/Global Ruler high-level decision-makers in the geoengineering project are not evil. You're sure you're right, even though reality shows differently. You are ignoring reality. It would be a shame if you personally need to be bitten by a rattlesnake to recognize that they are dangerous.


    Dennis


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    The big picture of weather modification...I apologize if someone has already premised this here. Being the weekend and the fact that my daughter is home I have not been able to keep up with Avalon.

    I truly believe (and indeed a part of me is afraid to actually state this in print because I do not want to give them any ideas) but I premise within twenty years the weather will be corporatized and capitalized, meaning the wealthy elites will have show that there is a problem with our volatile weather and they will propose a solution to said apocalyptic weather patterns be offering to geoengineer more favorable outcomes in weather events.

    In a nutshell, all of this study and amplification of adverse weather conditions, even though artificially induced may be a futuristic, manufactured solution to line there pockets once again.

    Think of it, people believe that we are in an appocolyptic weather type loop and want to ensure that they can feed themselves. The powers that be claim that they can control the weather, they have the technology. States then contract with these corporate entities to provide so many gentle rains during the spring, and brake up numerous violent storms through out the year through the use of this privatized technology and throw in a few good snows in the winter for tradition of holiday expectations and to keep the ground moist.

    In the end we have the perfect solution, (at a cost) to the problems plaqueing mother earth once again. Tax payer dollars will pay for the weather events of course. And we will be entrenched in another enslaving scenerio to save our good planet, who in all respects could have saved herself without the meddling for profit which seems to be the concensus of the powers that be who wish to manipulate and rape the natural processes!

    PS- I hope and pray I am not right!
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    So is the "Arctic Vortex" the North Eastern part of the United States has been experiencing part of this climate warfare?

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    Quote The melted snow should have simply been chemically analyzed, period. The water (I'll bet a sack of potatoes) would have numerous pollutants due to 21st century society and sparsely regulated corporate polluting piggies, plus aluminum and barium compounds from geoengineering. "Burning" pristine, "real" snow with a butane lighter will make a polluted mess, because butane burns dirty
    .

    I did not say that snow (the real stuff that falls every winter) and rain does not contain pollutants, including aluminum and barium (some from chemtrailing and some naturally occurring), but also thousands of different chemicals and pollution from industrialized nations.

    We cannot put on the blame in the ‘polluting piggies’ because each and everyone of us are the polluters because WE are the ones wanting the ‘stuff’ that is creating the reason for pollution.

    I have never said that our polluted air (and water) is not an ongoing problem that we have had for many years. I am saying, however, that we have to STOP terrorizing people that the very air they breathe is laden with nano particles and chemicals that are keeping them from (fictitious) transcendence into some ethereal existence. We have to STOP this ongoing brainwashing of people into believing they are victims of stifling slavery with no hope of any kind of peaceful cohabitation.

    And you know what??? The alternative community is doing this . . . . NOT ‘them’ . . . .I see thread after thread after thread popping up with this absurd meme that we are slaves of reptile/archon controlled super elite. Fear mongering (like killer chemtrail snow that doesn’t melt) and even though these implanted fear memes are often debunked it still STICKS in peoples minds. I have watched this particular meme build over the past year . . . . here on Avalon and other alternative websites and forums . . . it is not ‘them’ that is implanting these absurd notions and information . . . . it is US!

    Quote So, research by others is bullsh!t? Really? Whose research can we rely on - only our own? Do you really think the scientists that were interviewed for the documentary "What on Earth are they Spraying?" - reportedly credentialed scientists - just flat out lied when they say that samples were taken far off-road and far away from civilization that show aluminum concentrations 6000 times highrer than baseline data for the area? You're no doubt familiar with "extrapolating" data, and that is how the calculations are made that there have been "copious amounts" of metals sprayed. You didn't think that we we have to scrape a 1/4 inch of soil off of the entire US to gain insight into how much has been sprayed, did you? (rhetorical) You can't possibly be suggesting that the scientists who claim to have taken soil, water, and snow samples are all lying and making this all up, can you? Your most serious accusation "there [are] no copious amounts of nano-particles [geoengineering metals] is accusing all of these scientists (not so 6th grade dropout YouTubers) of deliberately falsifying data
    .

    This is a good example of what I mean Dennis. Who do you think the people are that created “What on Earth are They Spraying”? These people have a meme to spread . . . these people have an agenda . . . these people force data to reinforce what they what to say and create. I will stand by my statement that there are no massive amount of nano laden (robot thingies) metal particulates Those metals are present in ‘certain’ samples from the very real geoengineering. But they are not (at this time) in the massive measurable amounts that is being reported in the alternative world media.

    I personal KNOW this from my own sampling both in Kansas and here in Virginia. I have even been following three gas drilling crews (Halliburton and Chesapeake) all over SW Virginia the last 3 years and taking samples of soil and water aquifers close to and miles away from these drill/fracking sites. I actually have another trip planned for next weekend to hike from a heavily fracked drill site down a mountain to the main river to sample the water from spring water that is flowing heavily right now because of all the rain we have had. These samples also measure any metals and chemicals present in the water. I use 3 independent labs I use and pay for this out of my own pocket.

    I have nothing to prove or disprove . . . I just want to know the FACTS from my own work and research . . . .PERIOD.

    I am sick and angry and frustrated of being fed lies and misinformation from ALL damn sources. Including the alternative media and New Age religion.

    What I have found from samples from my Kansas farm and the samples here in no way supports what we are being told. Are there pollutants? Yes! Is there (sometimes) barium and aluminum present? Yes!

    But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

    I have yet to find overwhelming amounts of these metals in my soil samples and this is even from Kansas when ‘at times’ the chemtrailing was so heavy over my organic farm that there would be a fine film or ‘dusting’ on my equipment, ponds and even the backs of my animals.

    I have never found little nano (robot thingies) or anything that resembled ‘man made’ microscopic organisms/particles.

    Have you? Has anyone on this forum? First hand, up front, undeniable evidence that is 100% irrefutable?? Do you have anything in your possession proving this? I don’t . . .and I have been taking samples for the last 10+ years!

    Quote So what exactly are they using for geoengineering that you agree is happening, since you say it is NOT metals as has been scientifically reported?
    Yes they are using many metals and chemicals for geoengineering including aluminum and barium. I have no doubt . . . .no doubt at all . . . they are experimenting with all kinds of technology to eventually be capable of controlling our weather. I also think nano-particles could be part of this technology. And I support this technology. At one time I did not. I was in the same group as many on Avalon who are railing against chemtrailing and geoengineering . . .but no longer . . . certain aspects I still am because we (and our scientist) are human and many times have to blunder through and these blunders are hurtful many times. But I am fairly confident that our scientist across our planet and researchers will find a way to effectively and safely control our weather.

    So, I am not saying and never have said they are not geoengineering . . . I AM saying they are geoengineering for a very different reason other than ‘they’ are killing us and enslaving us and performing mass blood rituals or some other satanic/reptilian blood right rituals . . .THIS is fear mongering and creating a meme that is (I feel) psychological, emotional and spiritual abuse . . . and this meme is coming from the alternative world not ‘their’ world.

    Geoengineering is taking place in order for us TO survive this increasingly catastrophic global weather. And so that our planet does not go through these extreme swings from ice age to unstable inhospitable weather. AND NO! “they” are not creating this extreme weather from the simple fact our ENTIRE solar system is experiencing strange weather and phenomenon. Our sun is behaving strangely . . . planets are experiencing weather our scientist have never seen.

    Geoengineering is taking place (rapidly now) in order for humanity not to be knocked back into another stone age or ice age.


    Quote Hang on a minute. The BLUE pill (meme) is the drug that obscures reality, and allows you to blissfully acquiesce to all that is happening to you, so that you will not see reality.

    The RED pill is a placebo. It is not a drug, it is a symbol of wanting to no longer be drugged to "see" a fantasy, but rather to want to see reality. If you take no pill or the red pill, you experience reality (I know, in the "Matrix" movie, the red pill was "active", but in the sense of needing an antidote.)

    There is no "middle ground" between truth and a fictitious, engineered, quasi-reality. Truth is the absence of fiction/lies. This is not a false dichotomy. You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.
    Still not taking nor have I ever bought into this blue pill/red pill meme . . but it is obvious many have.

    Quote You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.
    I agree Dennis (and others reading this) either you want to see the truth and experience reality or you don’t. There are many false dichotomies . . . including those created by the Alternative World/ New Age people.

    Quote The fictitious middle ground between truth and lies is some sort of confusion, befuddlement - and not a desirable state for peaceful peasant or warrior. Telling others to "stand down" when they should be fighting is putting them in danger. Wait and see? The GMO issue you personally can circumvent for yourself, but there are millions of "captive" humans (prisoners, and the the people induced into a stupor by the blue pill - television and believing official government lies) who cannot. How do we not breathe-in the geoengineering elements/compounds? I suspect that the Global Elite have methods of filtering nanoparticulates out of the indoor air they breathe, and some method of detoxifying what they are subject to breathing. Wait and see is false hoe and bad advice.
    Really Dennis ? Seriously big brotherget a grip on your fear level. Come back down a bit to reality. Breathe the damn air . . it is not killing us . . . . unless you live in the big cities of China or other places where air pollution is horrendous.

    When you show me a nano-particulate that you have pulled/sampled out of the air the very air you are breathing then I will be right there with you.

    Regarding the rest of your post I will end in saying I have never said anything about benevolent aliens or elite. I have never said that what they are doing to bring about the NWO or whatever it will be called, is benevolent or evil. This notion has been put on me by you (Dennis) and many others. The only way I can personally keep things straight in my own reasoning and understanding is to keep the knowledge and information neutral. At the very point you assign benevolent or evil (or any other) emotion to research it colors and mutates all the rest of the research and therefore the outcome of it.

    I am not supporting any agenda . . .or trying not to . . . I am not aligning with any faction until I am certain of that factions agenda or goals. To be quite honest I am no longer sure at all who the ‘good guys’ are . . . .

    I have been burned and deeply disillusioned by past memes on Avalon and the alternative/ new age world, as well as, the ‘rat race’ or world created by ‘them’.

    This new meme (last year or so) on Avalon and other alternative sources, I feel strongly is more destructive and will have even farther reaching negative impacts for many years to come than some of the others. I think this new meme is a foundation being built for what I am waiting and watching . . . this too will come to light.

    One thing that I can always rely on and therefore trust is there will be a broad spread of dualistic polarized thinking and believing and behaving . . such as . . alternative/new age (supposedly good guys) and elite controllers (supposedly bad guys) . . .and the real truth is somewhere in the balanced in-between.

    Good guys. Bad Guys. Benevolent. Evil. . . . not going there . . not yet . . . I can wait and watch and then act on the foundational truth. There is an Art to War . . . mastering this ‘art’ is difficult and one has to be very patient and wise.

    Be leery of the ‘meme’ . . . all memes . . no matter the source.

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    Although this post is somewhat off topic I would like say the following and this relates back to my childhood contact (see this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ct-as-a-child-)

    I feel strongly that it is absolutely imperative we (this time) retain all our scientific advancements and technology

    It is imperative to ‘making it this time’ . . . this was a constant statement that I remember from that contact 40 + years ago.

    I believe it was Henry Deacon that also has said that it is imperative our advancement into space travel not be deterred or tampered with. See threads such as this: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...456#post792456


    Geoengineering, therefore, I feel strongly is part of the technology needed to make sure we retain the ability for advancing into space travel in the very near future.

    Geoengineering is only one scientific advancement that has the capability (eventually) of protecting us from solar storms (flares, cme, emp) or extreme swings in our global weather. Because of the ever growing extreme weather on our planet and solar system it is being implemented rapidly now to try to stay ahead.

    The only way to be successful with anything is to work hard at it. Ideas have to be put into action in order for the ‘bugs’ to be worked out and for the idea to be fruitful. The only way to geoengineer a planet is to actually put that engineering into action and work though the problems and downfalls . . . . .anything this massive and this technical will have huge pitfalls to overcome. . . . but what else can they do?

    It is absolutely imperative we retain our ability to become pioneers into the next frontier . . . Space. . . . . this is not just for a few ‘elite’ . . this is for all of humanity . . . . humanity on this planet and others.

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    Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

    Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

    So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

    The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

    Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

    To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

    But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.

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    This is insane, disgusting and sad.
    Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

    Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.
    And that's just it, isn't it? How does one separate the truly ignorant from those who have a deliberate agenda? I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter.

    The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

    Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

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    Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

    Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

    So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

    The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

    Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

    To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

    But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.

    Thank you much for this reply seeker1972 let me try on this thread to flesh out a bit more of what I have tried to say on my thread about my contact.

    Thank you very much for acknowledging the ‘weather’ or phenomenon of our solar system and the erratic behavior on other planets and our sun. This is a very grounding base factor to build from to analyze what is happening on our planet and the technology being (rapidly) implemented.

    Yes! Our current financial system is a wreck and IS being systematically collapsed. This is most definitely one of the most foundational structures that has to be abolished in order for the NWO or a Unified Planet to be established. Some other foundational structures that are being destroyed are individualized governments or power structures, all religion, how we view family and marriage . . . any thing that provides unity or strength to individual countries and nations.

    The global financial and economic structures are the MOST primary structure that has to be collapsed in order for the NEW ONE global financial system to be implemented.

    I am very patriotic and love my country . . . but I have started to believe how a unified global government would end much of the problems we have between our power structures and governments. I have begun to wonder that if there is unity among all continents and nations if this would not end all war and the massive gulf between those who have and those who have not. (scarcity, which is a new age concept and meme by the way)

    We have to have structure and rules and some sort of established government or council of leaders . . . so instead of hundreds of governments and leaders that in no way can agree and are always posturing for power and control with threats of war and destruction . . . I can see how having just ONE ultimate leadership that governs the entire planet would be possibly a good thing.

    We are going global and there is no stopping this inevitable reality. The internet and rapid transportation and communication have already eliminated the lines of distinction between our continents and nations.

    We are going Global and then we will be going into Space. Our planet has to be first unified and on the same page before we can take our place among other planets and the solar system.

    ‘Those’ who are making this happen . . and I have no good name for them . . . are not who we call the ‘elite’ or the cabal or the evil reptiles . . . these ‘people’ have absolutely no use for money . . . .they are not controlled by or desire wealth or gold or social status. I feel these are individuals who have managed to balanced our reptilian and mammalian dualistic nature . . . I feel these are individuals who have and understand all the ancient Knowledge and accurate history of not only our planet but of our solar system. I do not believe these individuals to be benevolent or evil.

    The elite or cabal (as we call them) or those who have wealth and prestige will absolutely resist this global movement because they know it will be the elimination of their control and power . . . or the little they think they have.

    In the over all scheme of reality these elite or cabal are absolutely no different than we are . . .WE in our minds and apathy give them this power and control only from the pathetic stance of money . . money . . . money . . . money. I am not their slave or their minion as the alternative world or New Age religion wants me to believe or be . . . . because I left the rat race and that game (a game I played well) and this very deliberate move has allowed me to see more clearer and to be at total peace than I have ever been.
    .
    I see this play out over and over in my head and clearer everyday as I have begun to remember.

    Going Global and becoming Unified will be a very good thing for our planet and our solar system it is just getting there will be absolutely horrible . . . this will take 25+ years . . . . all religion . . all financial constructs . . . all government and national leaderships and control factions have to be dissolved and eliminated before the One Government can be established . . . and this will create massive chaos.

    If we as a group and as individuals can come to grip with this Truth then we as groups and individuals can soften this transition. I am doing this and have been for many years now . . .creating safe harbors and places while we go through these many years(25+) of darkness and difficulty. This is my mission and why I am at this place and at this time.

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    Quote Posted by bruno dante (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Damien Toner (here)

    This is insane, disgusting and sad.
    Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

    Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.
    And that's just it, isn't it? How does one separate the truly ignorant from those who have a deliberate agenda? I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter.

    The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

    Not sure. Thinking out loud here...
    I agree with you bruno dante,

    I feel statements such as these (ultimate blood sacrifice on a planetary scale) are irresponsible and create deep seated fear and apathy.

    This sort of meme makes absolutely no sense to me.

    If the planet is being geoengineered to make it more habitable for this evil reptilian race then why all the hoopla? If this is true then wouldn’t they would simply come in kill all us humans in one big massive blood bath and use their more advanced technology to ‘fix the planet’ to their liking and comfort?

    Why put up with us measly humans and our paltry inferior technology inhabiting a planet that they want to claim as their own? Seriously if this demented advanced evil alien race existed they would view us the way most view a hill of ants. They would have no qualms eliminating what they would see as a mere nuisance.

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    I see where you're coming from, blufire. But then that means--if you think the chemtrails are a work in progress that is ultimately being carried out for our global benefit--then you think it's the ones who want the "new secular order" who are behind the chemtrails? And not the elites at the top of the current economic food chain? Look at the nations that are still in the clutches of these economic elites: The US, UK, Germany, Japan (somewhat), and some others. Those are the places where the heaviest chemtrailing is happening, isn't it? Wouldn't we be seeing the opposite, if what you're saying is true? The US it seems, ought to be the last country to ever see chemtrails, I would think.

    Also, what if we take into the argument the possibilty that the increases in energy that the entire solar system is experiencing, what if that will also have an impact on each of the humans, and not just on the climate? I currently lean toward the belief that we will all be affected in a way that will be liberating to us, and those economic elites are using chemtrails to try to keep this from happening.

    What if they could tell that the energetic changes in the solar system would cause the majority of the humans on earth to develop ESP? Mental telepathy? That would kind of spell the end to a lot of their closely guarded secrets. That would be a huge threat to them, if they thought this could happen. So cover us with this stuff that will shield us from the cosmic energy, or make it much more difficult for our bodies to change.

    Just another possible scenario, I guess. I'm just glad to see that the conversations are no longer about convincing people that it's going on, and are turning more towards understanding why.

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    [...]

    The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

    Not sure. Thinking out loud here...
    Well, taking the point of view of the "invaders" and their culinary taste, all these things could be considered "spices" for their reptilian banquet or their "All-you-can-eat" buffet....

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    [...]

    The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

    Not sure. Thinking out loud here...
    Well, taking the point of view of the "invaders" and their culinary taste, all these things could be considered "spices" for their reptilian banquet or their "All-you-can-eat" buffet....

    But aren't there only something like 20 reptilians left on the planet? That's a lot of spices!. (Of course, there might be a million or more...if they even exist. Who knows? Right? But I believe the current thinking is that there are only a small contingent left)

    I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately: is it better to err on the side of excessive suspicion or even paranoia, or is it better to err on the side of militant common sense. Someone will surely evoke a theme of balance, but I would challenge anyone here to define what that means exactly. I think we are always vacillating between excessive suspicion and perhaps excessive trust in the goings on of the world, and we're lucky if our cumulative thoughts and actions bring us close to balance at the end of the day.

    Regarding the manipulation of weather: when I think of climate engineering, I immediately think of chemtrails. Surely they exist. The sky here has resembled a tick-tack-toe board more times than I can count. However, if I'm being totally honest, I've never felt their effects. I've never even felt a subtle change in my body or mind. If they are so poisonous, why haven't I gone into convulsions, or erupted in hives or something? I've had allergies and asthma since I was a youth, and I am very sensitive to the environment. Not once, in all the years I've been exposed to chemtrails, have I felt even the slightest bit of discomfort. It's interesting. Makes me think a little...

    Now, I'm well read on the Illuminatti "slow-kill" method, and maybe this is what's occurring. Maybe that's the genius of it...that we don't feel its effects till it's too late -- like GMO foods or vaccines. However, the difference between this and chemtrails, is that the so-called Illuminatti have to breathe the same air as we do. Unless this is a large scale murder-suicide, I fail to see how this helps them. Perhaps they have a plan to move off-planet. But I suppose that's a whole other thread...
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    Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

    Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

    So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

    The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

    Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

    To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

    But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.

    Thank you much for this reply seeker1972 let me try on this thread to flesh out a bit more of what I have tried to say on my thread about my contact.

    Thank you very much for acknowledging the ‘weather’ or phenomenon of our solar system and the erratic behavior on other planets and our sun. This is a very grounding base factor to build from to analyze what is happening on our planet and the technology being (rapidly) implemented.

    Yes! Our current financial system is a wreck and IS being systematically collapsed. This is most definitely one of the most foundational structures that has to be abolished in order for the NWO or a Unified Planet to be established. Some other foundational structures that are being destroyed are individualized governments or power structures, all religion, how we view family and marriage . . . any thing that provides unity or strength to individual countries and nations.

    The global financial and economic structures are the MOST primary structure that has to be collapsed in order for the NEW ONE global financial system to be implemented.

    I am very patriotic and love my country . . . but I have started to believe how a unified global government would end much of the problems we have between our power structures and governments. I have begun to wonder that if there is unity among all continents and nations if this would not end all war and the massive gulf between those who have and those who have not. (scarcity, which is a new age concept and meme by the way)

    We have to have structure and rules and some sort of established government or council of leaders . . . so instead of hundreds of governments and leaders that in no way can agree and are always posturing for power and control with threats of war and destruction . . . I can see how having just ONE ultimate leadership that governs the entire planet would be possibly a good thing.

    We are going global and there is no stopping this inevitable reality. The internet and rapid transportation and communication have already eliminated the lines of distinction between our continents and nations.

    We are going Global and then we will be going into Space. Our planet has to be first unified and on the same page before we can take our place among other planets and the solar system.

    ‘Those’ who are making this happen . . and I have no good name for them . . . are not who we call the ‘elite’ or the cabal or the evil reptiles . . . these ‘people’ have absolutely no use for money . . . .they are not controlled by or desire wealth or gold or social status. I feel these are individuals who have managed to balanced our reptilian and mammalian dualistic nature . . . I feel these are individuals who have and understand all the ancient Knowledge and accurate history of not only our planet but of our solar system. I do not believe these individuals to be benevolent or evil.

    The elite or cabal (as we call them) or those who have wealth and prestige will absolutely resist this global movement because they know it will be the elimination of their control and power . . . or the little they think they have.

    In the over all scheme of reality these elite or cabal are absolutely no different than we are . . .WE in our minds and apathy give them this power and control only from the pathetic stance of money . . money . . . money . . . money. I am not their slave or their minion as the alternative world or New Age religion wants me to believe or be . . . . because I left the rat race and that game (a game I played well) and this very deliberate move has allowed me to see more clearer and to be at total peace than I have ever been.
    .
    I see this play out over and over in my head and clearer everyday as I have begun to remember.

    Going Global and becoming Unified will be a very good thing for our planet and our solar system it is just getting there will be absolutely horrible . . . this will take 25+ years . . . . all religion . . all financial constructs . . . all government and national leaderships and control factions have to be dissolved and eliminated before the One Government can be established . . . and this will create massive chaos.

    If we as a group and as individuals can come to grip with this Truth then we as groups and individuals can soften this transition. I am doing this and have been for many years now . . .creating safe harbors and places while we go through these many years(25+) of darkness and difficulty. This is my mission and why I am at this place and at this time.


    Hi there Bluefire, I love the idea of a unified world ...in the abstract anyway. I love the idea of no countries, no religions etc. John Lennon sung of it in his wonderful utopian-themed song 'Imagine'. The amount of useless death caused in the name of religion and nationalism is exponential.

    I feel the same way about gun control as I do about a one world government. And that is this: in a perfect world it would be perfect! But I remain steadfast in my belief in the right to bear arms, and I remain steadfast in my belief that nations should remain sovereign, and for the same reason too: the lunatics in power are not be trusted. And those lunatics control everything. They already control the entire world through financial manipulation, and I fear unifying the world under a 'one-world' banner would only consolidate their efforts. It would make it easier for them!
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