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    Russian troops advance in Donbass

    The military has pushed Ukrainian forces from multiple locations in the region, the defense ministry says

    The Russian military reported new advances in the north of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) on Wednesday. Multiple locations have been liberated on the outskirts of the town of Bakhmut, a major stronghold held by Ukrainian forces, which has seen intense fighting in recent weeks.

    "On the Donetsk axis, the settlements of Belogorovka and Pershe Travnya of the Donetsk People’s Republic were completely liberated during offensive actions [by] Russian troops," the Defense Ministry said in its daily briefing, adding that "up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, four armored combat vehicles, three self-propelled artillery units and six soft vehicles were destroyed."

    The village of Belogorovka is a small settlement located some 20 kilometers northeast of Bakhmut. The second settlement mentioned in the briefing is, presumably, the village of Ozaryanovka, located about 12 kilometers south of the town. It was known by the name Pershe Travnya before 2016 then got renamed under Kiev's ‘decommunization’ efforts.

    Later in the day, the Defense Ministry announced the liberation of Andreevka, a tiny village five kilometers or so north of Ozaryanovka. On top of this, the acting head of DPR, Denis Pushilin, said the troops have entered the village of Kurdyumovka, located immediately next to Ozaryanovka. The settlements are located on an important supply route, crucial for the Ukrainian garrison of Bakhmut, he explained, referring to the town by its pre-‘decommunization’ name – Artemovsk.

    "These settlements are extremely important because, after sweeping up Kurdyumovka, where the enemy is still resisting, [the troops] will reach the Artemovsk highway, severing the supply routes of the primary Ukrainian battlegroup," Pushilin told broadcaster Rossiya-24.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/567443-bak...itary-advance/

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    Ex-Russian president mocks EU over deleted claim on Ukrainian losses

    Dmitry Medvedev claimed that Ursula von der Leyen’s actions betrayed her subservience to the US

    Self-censorship from European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, after she deleted a tweet which mentioned Ukrainian casualties, is “humiliating”, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said on Wednesday.

    He added that the climbdown showed the bloc is nothing but a US puppet.

    “It is obvious that ‘Aunt Ursula’ was slapped upside the head by her bosses in Washington,” Medvedev said in a post on VK. “Seemed to hurt, too. It looks extremely humiliating.”

    The president of the EU executive body had claimed in a speech that 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the fighting so far, along with 20,000 civilians. Soon afterward, however, the tweet about it on von der Leyen’s account vanished. The reference was also removed from the transcript of the speech on the European Commission’s website, and edited out of the video the EC shared on social media again.

    The self-censorship was subsequently confirmed, with spokeswoman Dana Spinant saying the number had been an “estimation” from “external sources” and referred to all casualties – those killed and wounded combined. Spinant also thanked everyone who “pointed out the inaccuracy” in von der Leyen’s original speech.

    Medvedev served as the president of Russia between 2008 and 2012, and then as prime minister until 2020, when he accepted the post of deputy chairman of the National Security Council.

    He has been an outspoken critic of the West since the start of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine. On Tuesday, he said NATO was a “criminal entity” that should repent for its crimes against humanity and be dissolved. Earlier this week, he commented on his Telegram account that the “marriage” between the EU and the US is headed for a divorce due to Washington’s “economic cheating.”

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h4e8llcfQQ



    "The Charge of the Light Brigade" is an 1854 narrative poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson about the Charge of the Light Brigade at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War. He was the Poet Laureate of the United Kingdom at the time he wrote the poem. (source: Wikipedia)

    The poem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S93lvQ4Ukg8



    Typically British then, we are now witness to the modern equivalent.
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    They wouldn't be lying, would they?

    British Defence Ministry Officially Confirms Transfer Of Brimstone 2 Missiles To AFU
    ukranews - 27 NOVEMBER 2022

    https://ukranews.com/en/news/897759-...20to%20Ukraine.








    They look like 'Air Launch' . . . . how the hell are they going to do that ?
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    They look like 'Air Launch' . . . . how the hell are they going to do that ?

    Conversion kit:

    Chip from Taiwan, delivered ca. 2026

    Ground launch tube from Soviet stockpile in Algeria

    Wrenches from Harbor Freight

    Excuses from the ether

    Money from you

    Ignore missile, use stick found on ground nearby.

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    ...

    ... near future for Europe:



    By Dec 14 Europe is forecast to sink in a deep freeze. As the Arctic is still in its accumulation phase of collecting cold air, January can be expected to be much, much colder.

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2022/11/...coming-update/

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    I wonder how the US and allies (serfs) will handle the narrative when Poland annexes a big chunk of Ukraine.

    You surely don't believe that!
    This bit of Kremlin agitprop is intended to drive a wedge between Poland and Ukraine, particularly as, since the Russia invasion of Ukraine,
    a strong alliance has been forged (and their shared memories of prior Russian aggression have played a part in that, of course).

    This myth of Polish plans to annex parts of western Ukraine is a transparent attempt to sew the seeds of discord between Kyiv and Warsaw,
    but no amount of empty rhetoric and fake “military orders” posted on social media will achieve that, mainly because the Poles don’t suffer
    from the same severe case of irredentism as Putin does.

    This is a classic case of “accusation in a mirror”.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    Quote Posted by loungelizard (here)
    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    You mean the Levada Centre that was banned in Russia back along for being subversive to the state and classed as an enemy of the state?

    https://www.eeas.europa.eu/node/9497_en

    Nope.

    I don't know what you're thinking of, but the Levada Centre that I'm referring to is alive and well at Nikolskaya St 17, Moscow and has so far avoided the Kremlin's kiss of death.
    https://www.levada.ru/en/about-us/

    To clarify about both links submitted by Snoweagle and Loungelizard,


    Actually Snoweagle’s link is in reference to the same Levada Centre that you, Loungelizard referenced in your direct link to their website.

    And yes Snoweagle is talking about the same polling organization known as the Levada Centre, which was included “ in the "Foreign Agents Registry" of the Russian Federation” in 2016 as archived in the link Snoweagle provided.

    And even in the link you provided if you click on “About Us”,

    https://www.levada.ru/en/about-us/

    It explains in the History paragraph that in “2016 the Russian Ministry of Justice placed the Levada Center on the register of NGOs performing the functions of foreign agents. The center disagrees with this decision and trys to challenge it in court.”
    Thanks, Ravenlocke. I had assumed Snoweagle mistook “blacklisted” for “banned”.

    The foreign agent designation does not formally ban Levada from operating - although sadly, as Russia’s only independent pollster, it’s on borrowed time
    and will probably join the hundreds of NGOs that Putin has shut down since 2012 through his increasingly draconian ‘Legislative Act of the Russian Federation
    regarding the Regulation of the Activities of Non-Profit Organiations Performing the Functions of a Foreign Agent’ (catchy title ...).

    In fact, that already-prescriptive law has recently been amended yet again in a further attempt by the Kremlin to control the narrative: now, the names of
    relatives and colleagues of those who still work in NGOs will be held on a “special register”. Scary stuff.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by loungelizard (here)
    Interesting … it doesn’t seem that you use the same degree of scrutiny when it comes to other sources quoted on this thread.
    You’re happy to accept without question the word of Maria Zakharova, the Kremlin’s press officer, or TASS, or some faceless and
    nameless bloke on Twitter. Do you have a problem with these NGOs because that both Amnesty and HRW have been accused
    of anti-Western and anti-Israel bias?

    Neither Amnesty nor HRW are perfect - they’re run by human beings, so of course they are flawed.


    They are run by western superiority, and shall we say deceit by HRW assisting Syria's color revolutions for John McCain.

    No, actually, "foreign propaganda" does not require the same "scrutiny" as anything from western sources.

    You are witnessing the effects of Propaganda, which is the transfer of Reputation, having only limitedly to do with objective facts, which the individual cannot possibly make determinations about them all.

    We are in an Empire of Lies. All I am trying to do is remove that capability, whether it means the Chinese NWO "takes over the world", or, you live in a desert, or, colonize an asteroid, or anything else you may be afraid of.


    It is not feasible to say "accept without question", nor obviously would I have a problem if I thought Amnesty was effective at removing Zionism. So your guesses are wrong.

    If you think Saints are a myth, I am not sure we can reach you at all. The main point is to silence the western echo chamber. It is not so much that NGOs are not paragons of virtue, they are tentacles for Capitalism to undermine humanity. For example, "New World Order" is a private company launched in 1980, behind what would be "Happytalism". That is the whole point of them. Penetration. Take the media, the schools, the industry, etc., in the guise of Democracy.


    Against this, appearing in the English language in 1881:


    The white race must be the first to stretch out the hand of fellowship to the dark nations...

    ...that curse known as the "struggle for life," which is the real and most prolific parent of most woes and sorrows and of all the crimes? Why has that struggle become the almost universal scheme of the universe?

    ...each of them, always with that one solitary exception, has through its hells and damnations inculcated the greatest dread of death. Therefore do we find that struggle for life raging most fiercely in Christian countries, most prevalent in Europe and America.

    Those "intellectual classes," reacting upon the ignorant masses which they attract and which look up to them as noble and fit examples to follow, degrade and morally ruin those they ought to protect and guide.

    The world in general and Christendom especially, left for two thousand years to the regime of a personal God as well as its political and social systems based on that idea, has now proved a failure.



    Let us hold our breath and swallow whole the following observations from veteran German statesman Oskar Lafontaine:



    “Of course, I also mean the conflict in Ukraine, which began with the Maidan putsch in Kiev in 2014. Since then, the US and its Western vassals have been arming Ukraine and systematically preparing it for confrontation with Russia. Ukraine thus became a de facto, if not de jure, member of NATO. This backstory has been studiously ignored by Western politicians and the mainstream media,” Lafontaine told Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten in an interview published Sunday.

    “For more than 100 years, it has been the declared aim of US policy to prevent German business and technology from merging with Russian raw materials at all cost. It is perfectly clear that, if you take this history into account, we are dealing with a US proxy war against Russia which has been prepared for a long time,” Lafontaine said.

    “It is unforgivable that the SPD in particular betrayed the legacy of Willy Brandt and his policy of détente, and did not even seriously insist on compliance with the Minsk Agreements,” the politician said, referring to the 2015 peace agreements meant to restore peace to the Donbass.

    Lafontaine slammed the German government over its limp-wristed response to the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, which he characterized as a “declaration of war on Germany.” It was “pathetic and cowardly” of the federal government to try to “sweep incident under the carpet,” despite evidence that “the USA either carried out the attack directly or greenlit it,” the politician said.

    “It was a hostile act against the Federal Republic, and not only against us, and once again makes clear that we must free ourselves from American tutelage,” Lafontaine stressed. The politician pressed his country’s leaders to force the removal of all US military bases and nuclear weapons from German soil, and called for the creation of a European security architecture with France, separate from NATO, which he called an “obsolete” alliance that acts as a “tool to enforce the US’s claim to remain the sole power in the world.”

    Lafontaine admitted that freeing Germany from Washington’s grip wouldn’t be easy, but stressed that he can’t see “any alternative” to such a radical step. “If we and other European countries continue to remain under US tutelage, they will push us over a cliff to protect their own interests,” he said.


    “To use a hackneyed expression: We are experiencing the birth pangs of the transitional phase from a unipolar to a multipolar world order. And the question arises whether we will have a place of our own in this new world order, or be drawn into Washington’s conflicts with Moscow and Beijing as American vassals,” the politician emphasized.

    Recalling his decades of experience in politics, Lafontaine lamented in decades past, German leaders, “at least in some conflicts, had German interests in mind, and did not throw them overboard in anticipatory obedience” to Washington. “You need to have a backbone when you are the head of a country. The image of Chancellor Scholz standing like a schoolboy next to President Biden when he announced that nothing would come of Nord Stream 2 was humiliating.”

    Ukraine Disaster

    Asked whether he believed Washington has achieved its aims in Ukraine, Lafontaine said that the answer was both “yes and no,” with the principle successes being the ruined relations between Russia and the European Union, and the “sidelining” of Berlin and Brussels “as the US’s potential geostrategic and economic rivals, for the time being.”

    “They are setting the policies of EU states even more than before the Ukraine conflict (thanks also to compliant politicians in Berlin and Brussels). They can also sell their dirty fracking-derived gas, and the US defense industry is doing great business,” the politician said.

    “On the other hand, they have not succeeded in ‘ruining Russia’, as [German Foreign Minister Annalena] Baerbock put it…overthrowing [Vladimir] Putin and installing a puppet government in Moscow to get better access to Russian raw materials, as was the case in [Boris] Yeltsin’s time,” Lafontaine said.

    “And I have the impression that Washington has now realized that they are biting on granite here. Despite massive arms deliveries to Ukraine and the dispatch of numerous ‘military advisors’, Russia, which is a nuclear power, cannot be defeated militarily. In addition, Western sanctions are proving to be a boomerang: they hurt Western states more than Russia and will cause deindustrialization, unemployment and poverty. Working people in Europe are paying the price for the world power ambitions of a mad elite in Washington and the cowardice of European leaders,” Lafontaine concluded.


    Information from the Delta C&C system shows:


    The leaked documents confirmed that the Kakhovskaya dam was among the targets to destroy.

    In its turn, the Russian side has all means to divide Ukraine in two parts by several missile strikes on the bridges and dams on the Dnieper River. Such attacks would leave the Ukrainian military without possibility to transfer any military equipment and personnel to the war-torn regions in the East. Such attacks would immediately bring Russia victory in the war in Ukraine and would save lives of Russian servicemen. However, the destruction of Ukrainian dams would also claim lives of hundreds of civilians. That’s why the Russian military does not launch its missiles on such facilities.

    The ongoing war in Ukraine has already shown that Russia is fighting to protect people, while the United States and NATO pay no attention to the cost of human lives in the war they have ignited in Ukraine.



    Elsewhere, for NATO of Kharkov:


    The reinforcement was mainly made up of foreign military, including former soldiers of the Bosnian and Albanian armies, as well as soldiers from the 2nd Infantry Division “Getica” and the 2nd Mountain Rifle Brigade “Sarmizegetuza” from Romania.

    The command of the operation, presumably, was entrusted to Polish officers from Rzeszow, who had previously served in the 21st the Podgalski rifle brigade.


    On November 26, the Russian military reported a high-precision missile strike on the temporary deployment of Polish mercenaries near the village of Velikiye Khutora in the Kharkov region. Out of about 1,000 mercenaries, several hundred were killed and seriously injured.

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    ... nor obviously would I have a problem if I thought Amnesty was effective at removing Zionism.
    Sorry - I thought you’d realise that was a joke (the smiley face was a hint …). I was being ironic - you made your views on Zionism quite clear earlier in this thread.

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    No, actually, "foreign propaganda" does not require the same "scrutiny" as anything from western sources.
    Now that is a bold statement! It’s obviously one with which I completely disagree, but it explains a lot about what I’ve read on this thread, so thank you.
    I would have responded to more of your post- I’m not ignoring you, but I’m afraid that the rest of it went straight over my head

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    Putin's Remedy: A Fragmented, Toothless Ukraine Separated by a 100 Kilometer-Wide No-Man's-Land

    “It seems probable that Russia will impose a solution. If, as expected, it becomes clear that the West can’t or won’t negotiate, it will behoove Russia to implement a maximalist solution. Or alternatively, Russia “bargains” by showing that it can create a dead zone in Western Ukraine as big as it likes. If Ukraine and its US minders don’t come to their senses, that dead zone will be awfully big.” Yves Smith, Naked Capitalism

    How does this end?

    How does Russia create a “neutral” Ukraine that isn’t armed-to-the-teeth by Moscow’s enemies? How do they prevent Kiev from conducting joint-military drills with NATO or placing missile sites on Russia’s border? How do they stop the Ukrainian Army from shelling ethnic Russians in the east or training far-right paramilitaries to kill as many Russians as possible? How does Putin change Ukraine into a good neighbor that doesn’t pose a security threat and that doesn’t fuel anti-Russian hatred and bigotry? And, finally, how does one resolve the conflict peacefully if one side refuses to negotiate with the other? Check out this clip from an article at Mint News:

    “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday signed a decree formally announcing the “impossible” prospect of peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russian President Vladimir Putin…

    “He (Putin) does not know what dignity and honesty are. Therefore, we are ready for dialogue with Russia, but with another president of Russia,” Zelensky said on Friday. (Mint News)

    The fact that Zelensky will not negotiate with Putin does not mean there will be no settlement. It just means that Zelensky will have no voice in the outcome. As the more powerful country, it has always been within Russia’s ability to impose a settlement that achieves its basic national security objectives, and that is precisely what Putin will do. The settlement will not be ideal nor will it completely end the hostilities, but it will provide a layer of protection from Russia’s enemies which is the best that can be hoped for given the circumstances. Regrettably, the settlement will also terminate Ukraine’s existence as a viable, contiguous state. And– after Russia has finished its special military operation– Ukraine will face a dismal future as a deindustrialized wastelands that is entirely dependent on its allies in the west for its survival.

    continue with maps and video with Douglas Macgregor

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/putins-...-no-mans-land/
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    • Ukraine Is About To Be Annihilated




    • map via John Helmer
    “HIt seems likely that Russia will force a solution. If, as expected, it becomes clear that the West is unable or unwilling to negotiate, Russia will do well to implement a maximalist solution. Or else Russia “negotiates” by showing that it can create a dead zone in Western Ukraine as large as it wants. If Ukraine and its American guards don't come to their senses, that dead zone will grow horribly large.”

    —Yves Smith, Naked Capitalism
    • How does this end?
    How does Russia create a “neutral” Ukraine that is not armed to the teeth by Moscow's enemies? Asks Mike Whiney . How do they prevent Kiev from holding joint military exercises with NATO or placing missile sites on the Russian border? How do they prevent the Ukrainian army from firing on ethnic Russians in the east or training far-right paramilitaries to kill as many Russians as possible? How does Putin turn Ukraine into a good neighbor that does not pose a threat to security and does not fuel anti-Russian hatred and bigotry? And, finally, how do you resolve the conflict peacefully if one side refuses to negotiate with the other? Check out this excerpt from an article on Mint News:

    “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday signed a decree formally announcing the “impossible” prospect of peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russian President Vladimir Putin….

    “He (Putin) does not know what dignity and fairness are. Therefore, we are ready for a dialogue with Russia, but with another president of Russia," Zelensky said on Friday. ( MintNews)

    The fact that Zelensky does not want to negotiate with Putin does not mean that there will be no settlement. It just means that Zelensky has no say in the result. As the most powerful country, Russia has always had the ability to impose a settlement that achieves its basic national security objectives, and that is exactly what Putin will do. The arrangement will not be ideal, nor will it completely end hostilities, but it will provide a layer of protection against Russia's enemies, which is the best that can be hoped for under the circumstances. Unfortunately, the settlement will also end Ukraine's existence as a viable, contiguous state.

    Here is an excerpt from an article by Moscow-based journalist John Helmer, who thinks the Russian army will evacuate a large area of ​​central Ukraine during its upcoming winter offensive, and that much of that land will become part of a 100-kilometer wide demilitarized zone (UDZ) that will protect Russia from Ukrainian rocket and artillery attacks. As Helmer points out, the model for this military-imposed arrangement is “the Armistice of Panmunjom of July 27, 1953, which ended the Korean War….”. On the ground inside the UDZ (Ukraine Demilitarized Zone) there must be no electricity, no people, nothing except the means to monitor and enforce the terms of the ceasefire.” Here's more from Helmer:

    Military source: …. Once the destruction of these targets is complete, the remnants of the infrastructure will be undermined and the area planted with sensors. The armies will then begin a rapid, phased withdrawal behind Russian lines, where the process of reinforcement and entrenchment has already begun.”

    “Citizens and disarmed Ukrainian troops – with the exception of Ukrainian-Nazi units – are assigned one or two corridors through which they can leave the zone. They better not dawdle.”…

    The sources agree that there will be a new military demarcation line before the thaw next spring; they differ on how it is drawn now and what it will look like next April. “For now, the line will be on the Dnieper, with a zone extending from the western bank into the hull of Ukraine – I think at a depth of no less than 100 km. This puts Russian territory out of range of most Ukrainian artillery. A 100 km deep zone also gives Russian forces time to track and intercept anything on the run…

    “In the northern sector – that is from Kramatorsk and Slovyansk to Kharkov… these are garrisons and centers of hatred on or near the Russian borders; they will not be spared….(and) are qualified for de-electrification, depopulation and de-nazification.”

    “The point to emphasize, especially in the Russian operations in the north… will not seize and hold territory. …The idea will not be to occupy the area, let alone manage it, for a long time. The goal will be to destroy enemies that raise their heads and the infrastructure they rely on; laying mines and sensors; and then withdraw.”

    “Once the assigned transport and logistics nodes are taken, the task of destroying them by engineer units begins. Bridges, roads, railways, marshalling yards, rolling stock, airfields, fuel storage and depots, electrical substations, transmission and communication towers, central offices, warehouses, warehouses, agricultural equipment – ​​anything that could possibly be used to support Ukraine-NATO efforts towards east of the zone's western boundary will be destroyed. That will also be the work of the ground forces – more extensive and thorough than missile and drone strikes can achieve.”

    “Civilians and disarmed combatants, without their motorized equipment, will be allowed to walk out of the zone onto specially prepared buses (such as Surovikin supervised in Syria) with whatever they can carry on their backs… Anyone who chooses within the zone will be explicitly told by radio, flyers and loudspeakers that he is considered an enemy combatant and will be treated as such. After a prescribed time, the “golden bridges” for the departing population will be destroyed. For those that remain, they will have no power, sanitation, or communication…” ( “Ukraine Armistice– How the UDZ of 2023 will separate the Armies like the Korean DMZ of 1953” , John Helmer, Dances With Bears



    Ukraine map via John Helmer – click for larger Helmer sums it up perfectly. Putin is going to create a vast, uninhabitable no man's land in the center of Ukraine that will separate east from west and end Ukraine's existence as a viable, contiguous state. This is what a military-imposed regulation looks like. It's not ideal, and it won't necessarily stop all fighting, but it meets Russia's basic security demands that Washington chose to ignore.

    Rest assured, Washington will not like this arrangement and will never agree to the new borders. But the United States will not have the last word on this matter, and that is extremely important, because Washington's role as "guarantor of world security" is now over. Russia is going to define the borders of Ukraine and so it will be. So yes, we can expect gnashing of teeth at NATO headquarters and the UN and in the White House, but with little effect. The matter is settled, unless, of course, the US and NATO want to bring ground forces into the conflict, which we believe will create a rift in NATO that will inevitably lead to its collapse. In any case, the fate of Ukraine will be decided in Moscow, not Washington, and that reality will have a significant impact on the distribution of world power. There's a new sheriff in town and he's definitely not American.
    • Conclusion
    We think that Helmer's analysis is the most likely scenario for the future. Putin has held back admirably so far, but after nine months of senseless drudgery and bloodshed, it's time to wrap this up. Moscow has always had a sledgehammer in its toolbox and now it is going to use it. We wish it hadn't ended that way, but there's no point in crying over spilled milk. Washington wanted to prolong this war as long as possible to exhaust Russia so that it could not project power beyond its borders or thwart US plans for the "turntable to Asia." But Putin foiled that plan. He has not fallen into Washington's trap and he is not going to pump blood and money into a black hole. He's going to solve this case once and for all and he's done with it. This is from an interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor:

    “This whole conflict could have been avoided if we had just recognized Moscow's legitimate interests in what is happening in Ukraine….” What happens in Ukraine matters to the Russians…. So we could have stepped in early and said, 'Let's call a ceasefire and talk'. In fact, for the past 10 or 20 years, we could have listened to the Russians about their concerns about what was happening in Ukraine.Colonel Douglas MacGregor, “Ukraine is about to be Annihilated”, You Tube; 2:10 minute mark.
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    Unlicensed production of Soviet weapons in Europe to violate copyright — federal service

    The service said that in this connection Russia will reserve the right to take "corresponding retaliatory measures"
    MOSCOW, December 1. /TASS/. The United States is instigating violations of international law by its speculations about the need for resuming the production of military equipment in Europe under Soviet licenses for subsequent supplies to Ukraine, the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said on its website.

    The US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, in an interview with CNN on November 30, came up with an idea of resuming the production of Soviet-designed combat systems at enterprises of the countries once affiliated with the former Warsaw Treaty Organization in order to supply these weapons to Kiev. As the service said, within the framework of cooperation with the USSR, the member-states of the Warsaw Treaty Organization did receive fraternal assistance in organizing the production of Soviet models of weapons and military equipment on their territory.

    "By calling for the resumption of the production of military equipment under Soviet licenses for its subsequent transfer to Ukraine, the US leadership, without being a party to those agreements and without bearing any responsibility for this, is pushing its allies towards violations of the fundamental norms of international law in the field of conventional arms control," the statement reads.

    The service said that in this connection Russia will reserve the right to take "corresponding retaliatory measures."
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    Lavrov: Europe Building Security Not With Russia, But Against It

    The Russian diplomat noted that NATO policies in Europe degraded back to the Cold War era, as Washington is bent on exercising total control over the EU, so any meaningful cooperation between Russia and Europe is unlikely in the near future.



    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that the EU is trying to create a security system against Russia, not with it.
    In his brief on European security issues, the foreign minister stressed that the old format of relations between Russia and the West is gone. Lavrov added he is not sure it is possible to restore cooperation between Russia and the EU on the European security issue, but Moscow is ready to hear what the Western countries have to say.
    "If our Western colleagues understand their mistakes and express readiness to return to the discussion of the documents that we have proposed in December, I think it will be a positive factor. Although I doubt that they will have the strength and will to do it, but if it happens, then of course we will be ready to return to the discussion," Lavrov said.
    Lavrov recounted the words of NATO's first Secretary General, Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, who described the core policy of the alliance regarding Europe as "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".
    “What is happening now means that NATO is returning to those conceptual priorities that were developed 73 years ago. Nothing has changed: they want to keep the Russians outside of Europe, the Americans have already enslaved all of Europe, and not only the Germans, but the entire European Union. So, the philosophy of dominance and unilateral advantages did not disappear anywhere after the end of the Cold War," he said.
    Decaying Organizations
    The diplomat also elaborated on the sad state of European intergovernmental organizations, noting that Western policies had crippled the Council of Europe beyond repair, while the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe also suffers from multiple problems.
    He noted that Sweden, which presided over the OSCE last year, had abandoned a balanced stance, and had facilitated the subjugation of the organization by Washington and Brussels.
    "Of course, the OSCE special monitoring mission in Ukraine contributed to the discrediting of the OSCE's work in Ukraine, which, in gross violation of its mandate, did not respond to the daily violations of the Minsk agreements by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The OSCE mission essentially sided with the Kiev regime," Lavrov stressed, noting that that after the closure of the mission it was revealed that its officials cooperated with Western special services.
    In the meantime, Poland, which has presided over it in 2022, is "digging a grave" for the OSCE, undermining any consensus that is left in there, he said.

    "I can responsibly say that Poland's anti-presidency in the OSCE will occupy a most unattractive place in the history of this organization. No one has ever done such damage to the OSCE at its helm," Lavrov told reporters.


    The security space in Europe is fragmenting, and the OSCE itself is becoming a marginalized entity, the diplomat added.
    Earlier in the day, the annual conference of the 29th OSCE Ministerial Council started in the Polish city of Lodz. Warsaw did not allow Lavrov to take part in the meeting, as it believes that it is necessary to "absolutely isolate" Russia in the international arena amid its military operation in Ukraine, according to senior Polish diplomat Pawel Jablonski.
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    Senate confirms Pentagon inspector general as funding for Ukraine increases
    By Mike Glenn - The Washington Times - Thursday, December 1, 2022

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...inspector-gen/

    The Senate on Wednesday confirmed Robert P. Storch to serve as inspector general in the Defense Department. The 92-3 vote made him the first non-acting Pentagon IG since Obama-appointee Jon Rymer stepped down in January 2016.

    The Project on Government Oversight advocacy group called the confirmation “great news.”

    “We’ve advocated hard to get a (Defense Department) IG confirmed. It’s been a long seven years without someone filling this vital position. We’re glad to see Robert Storch get confirmed,” the group said in a Twitter post.

    On Nov. 15, the Biden administration submitted a new $37.7 billion air request for Ukraine in its fight against Russian invaders. If passed, it would bring the total U.S. support to more than $105 billion.

    “The sheer magnitude and speed at which the federal government is sending aid calls for robust oversight,” the Project on Government Oversight said in a letter to top Democratic and Republican officials in the Senate.

    Lawmakers in Washington should be working to ensure that there are guardrails on the enormous spending packages, the group said in its June 1 letter to Democratic Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer of New York and Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

    “Such oversight efforts should neither slow nor hinder Congress’ efforts to support Ukraine,” the group said. “Rather, it would ensure that the billions of dollars that the U.S. is sending arrives in the hands of its intended recipients, and does not inadvertently line the pockets of war profiteers who are seeking to use this war to enrich themselves.”

    Mr. Storch most recently served as the Senate-confirmed inspector general at the National Security Agency.
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    https://tass.com/politics/1544357?ut...m_social_share

    Russia targets only Ukraine’s military potential-related infrastructure — Lavrov


    As the top diplomat emphasized, high accuracy strikes, "put energy facilities, on which the functioning of Ukraine’s armed forces and the delivery of a huge amount of weapons depends, out of commission"

    MOSCOW, December 1. /TASS/. Russia hits only those infrastructure facilities in Ukraine that have military significance, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a press conference on European security issues on Thursday.

    "The infrastructure that is now under attack is crucial to the combat potential of Ukraine’s armed forces and nationalist battalions," Lavrov said.

    As Lavrov emphasized, high accuracy strikes, "put energy facilities, on which the functioning of Ukraine’s armed forces and the delivery of a huge amount of weapons depends, out of commission. The West is pumping Ukraine with these weapons to be used for killing Russians."

    "Our Defense Ministry and military experts, not only Russian, but also American ones, and military specialists from other NATO countries, draw attention to the fact that from the beginning, our military operation was carried out in a way that minimized the negative consequences for the civilian population and civilian infrastructure," he concluded.



    https://tass.com/politics/1544609


    Russia’s Ukraine operation came in response to OSCE’s inability to end bloodshed - envoy

    It is reported that Russia was forced to launch a special military operation in response to deliberate attempts by the Kiev regime
    WARSAW, December 1. /TASS/. Russia’s special operation in Ukraine was, among other things, a response to the inability of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to end the bloodshed in Donbass, Russian Permanent Representative to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich said, addressing a meeting of OSCE foreign ministers in the Polish city of Lodz on Thursday.

    "Russia was forced to launch a special military operation in response to deliberate attempts by the Kiev regime and its foreign sponsors to simulate threats for Russians and Ukrainians on both sides of the Russia-Ukraine border. It was also a response to the OSCE’s inability to play a constructive role in ending the bloodshed in Donbass," the diplomat pointed out.



    https://tass.com/politics/1544603

    OSCE losing its effectiveness, Kremlin spokesman says


    "Also, the organization is losing the ability to address security and cooperation issues in Europe not in words but in deeds," Dmitry Peskov said
    MOSCOW, December 1. /TASS/. The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) is losing its effectiveness due to its anti-Russian stance, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

    "The organization is automatically losing its effectiveness because of the position that the OSCE has taken," Peskov pointed out, when asked if it was reasonable for Moscow to remain in the OSCE.

    "Also, the organization is losing the ability to address security and cooperation issues in Europe not in words but in deeds," the Kremlin spokesman said, adding that it was happening because of an "antagonistic position" against Russia.
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