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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    (Note: I'd love to hear the full interview, as this is clearly just one small extract. But I don't yet have a link for the rest.)
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    Joseph P. Farrell - NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM SEPT 29 2022

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    EG shared this article, and finally, someone wrote something that I largely agree with regarding the sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline:


    HOW TO STAGE A SABOTAGE: L'Affair Farewell, Fake History, Fake Science By Deep State Design


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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Joseph P. Farrell - NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM SEPT 29 2022

    SHOW NOTES
    EG shared this article, and finally, someone wrote something that I largely agree with regarding the sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline:


    HOW TO STAGE A SABOTAGE: L'Affair Farewell, Fake History, Fake Science By Deep State Design


    great article... but I think this part of it needs to be vastly expanded:

    Quote This meant that at the highest levels of the U.S. government many of the technologies people devoted their lives to technology which did not work.
    so... modern physics teaching? (haha) we already know that the macro and micro do not adhere to the concepts of newtonian or einsteinian taught physics (hehe) based constraints (ie, e=mc2 is not useful as a "unified theory" ) but then, that's why "UFO's" etc.. have been known and finally acknowledged.

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    I have to say that from what I have heard and know (filtered, controlled information granted) I disagree that the Nord Stream sabotage is Cyber in nature, there has been a major breach of pipeline integrity, like destruction of the physical medium, leaking valves and pressure breaches seem less likely on this very advanced, and incredibly strong structure? More like old fashioned explosion - plastic explosive type explosions.

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    Joseph P. Farrell | News and Views from the Nefarium | Sept. 29, 2022

    Source: gizadeathstar.com



    EG shared this article, and finally, someone wrote something that I largely agree with regarding the sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline.

    Article: HOW TO STAGE A SABOTAGE: L'Affair Farewell, Fake History, Fake Science By Deep State Design
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    do we have any actual footage, beyond the circular bubbles on the sea and beyond the level of WMDs in Iraq? Maybe it's completely faked? It's not like the twin towers that no one can suddenly see anymore, this underwater stuff probably no one has seen before either, destroyed or not.

    Just a thought.

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    Just ordered my iodine tablets and a fridge to climb inside
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    NOTE: this is from 2004 but reveals a precedent...(from The Telegraph newspaper which I am suddenly able to access without a subscription, oddly. Anyway.)

    Source: The Telegraph newspaper

    CIA plot led to huge blast in Siberian gas pipeline

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    28 February 2004 • 12:00am

    A CIA operation to sabotage Soviet industry by duping Moscow into stealing booby-trapped software was spectacularly successful when it triggered a huge explosion in a Siberian gas pipeline, it emerged yesterday.

    Thomas Reed, a former US Air Force secretary who was in Ronald Reagan's National Security Council, discloses what he called just one example of the CIA's "cold-eyed economic warfare" against Moscow in a memoir to be published next month.

    Leaked extracts in yesterday's Washington Post describe how the operation caused "the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space" in the summer of 1982.

    Mr Reed writes that the software "was programmed to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds".

    The CIA learned of Soviet ambitions to steal the software via a French KGB source, Col Vladimir Vetrov, codenamed Farewell. His job was to evaluate the intelligence collected by a shadowy arm of the KGB set up a network of industrial spies to steal technology from the West.

    The breakthrough came when Vetrov told the CIA of a specific "shopping list" of software technology that Moscow was seeking to update its pipeline as it sought to export natural gas to Western Europe.

    Washington was keen to block the deal and, after securing President Reagan's approval in January 1982, the CIA tricked the Soviet Union into acquiring software with built-in flaws.

    "In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard currency earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines and valves was programmed to go haywire after a decent interval, to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds," Mr Reed writes.

    The project exceeded the CIA's wildest dreams. There were no casualties in the explosion, but it was so dramatic that the first reports are said to have stirred alarm in Washington.

    The initial reports led to fears that the Soviets had launched a missile from a place where rockets were not known to be based, or even had detonated "a small nuclear device", Mr Reed writes in his book.

    While some of the details of the CIA's counter-offensive have emerged before, the sabotage of the gas pipeline has remained a secret until now. Mr Reed told the Post he had CIA approval to make the disclosures.

    Mr Vetrov's spying was discovered by the KGB and he was executed in 1983.
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    More historical precedents, while we build our case for the prosecution Inconclusive as reported of course but of some interest perhaps

    Radio Sweden from 2015...

    Armed mine disposal vehicle found near gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea
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    An armed remote controlled mine disposal vehicle has been found near a Russian gas pipeline a few kilometres east of the Baltic island of Öland.

    The unmanned vehicle was discovered Friday by the gas company Nord Stream during an annual routine check of the pipeline, Jesper Stolpe at the Swedish Armed Forces tells Radio Sweden. The company then notified the Swedish Armed Forces because the vehicle was found in the Swedish economic zone.

    Stolpe says that their preliminary findings suggest that the vehicle is armed with an explosive charge used to dispose of naval mines, but he adds that it's unlikely that it will cause any damage to the pipeline.

    "We don't consider it to be dangerous to merchant vessels or the pipeline at this point," Stolpe tells Radio Sweden.

    Stolpe says that the vehicle has the capacity to damage the pipeline, which in turn could cause a gas leak, but that the wire needed to trigger the charge and to control the vehicle has been cut off rendering the vehicle fairly harmless.
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    https://www.rt.com/russia/563741-nat...s-nord-stream/

    NATO tested underwater ‘equipment’ close to Nord Stream – Moscow

    NATO conducted exercises using deep-sea equipment in the area where gas leaks in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were detected this week, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova said on Thursday. She added that the entire Baltic Sea is “packed full” of the bloc’s military infrastructure.

    Speaking at a regular press briefing on Thursday, Zakharova dismissed any allegations that Russia was behind the incident. “May I ask you a question? When exactly did Russia decide it wanted to stop supplying energy to Europe?” she asked.

    Zakharova said NATO was engaged in military activities close to the location where the leaks were found, noting that it might have presented an interesting “opportunity” for the bloc.

    “So, maybe the NATO bases never conducted exercises there, while American soldiers have never been stationed on the territory of nearby countries?” she quipped, adding that this summer "in the area of Bornholm, Denmark, NATO conducted exercises that used deep-sea equipment”.

    Zakharova was apparently referring to Exercise Baltic Operations (BALTOPS) 22 in the Baltic Sea, which took place in June 2022 and were meant to demonstrate the military bloc's “mine hunting capabilities,” according to the statement by the US Navy at the time. In particular it sought to experiment with Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUV) by deploying them off the coast of Bornholm island.

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    Kremlin comments on fate of Nord Stream
    Zakharova urged Washington to offer “an explanation” and “confess” to the truth, saying that the US had left that job to Poland's former foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, who earlier “thanked” the US for destroying the pipeline.

    NATO said Thursday that the pipelines were damaged in what appeared to be a “deliberate, reckless, and irresponsible acts of sabotage,” promising to meet any attack on its critical infrastructure “with a united and determined response.”

    Meanwhile, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov described the Nord Stream leaks as a probable “terrorist act” which is unlikely to have been possible “without the involvement of some state power.”

    On Monday, Denmark reported leaks from the pipelines after the operator reported a loss of pressure on both Nord Stream 1 and 2. Danish and Swedish authorities later said there had been a series of undersea explosions near Bornholm. In total, there have been four gas leaks detected in the Nord Stream system.
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    Speech is interpreted in English.



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    https://www.rt.com/russia/563803-ukr...peech-donbass/

    Russia calls on Kiev to return to negotiations – Putin

    Moscow is ready for talks with Kiev, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday at a ceremony for the signing of treaties on the inclusion of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR), as well as the regions of Kherson and Zaporozhye, which declared independence from Ukraine, into Russia.

    “We call on the Kiev regime to cease all hostilities, stop the war it started back in 2014 and return to the negotiating table,” he said, adding, however, that Moscow will not “betray” the territories that want to become a part of Russia.

    “People have made their choice. A clear one,” Putin said.

    Putin has called on Kiev to treat the “free choice” made by the people of the four territories “with respect.”

    “That is the only way for peace,” he added.

    The president also warned that Russia would defend its territory using all means available and would do “everything to ensure security of its people.”

    He also vowed to help the four territories joining Russia to rebuild, adding that their people would feel the support of all Russian regions.

    Friday's ceremony marks the start of the formal process of the four territories’ accession to Russia. After Putin signs the accession treaties, they will be examined by the Constitutional Court and, if cleared, will be sent for ratification to the two chambers of the Russian parliament – the State Duma and the Federation Council. Russian lawmakers are expected to convene to discuss the issue next week.

    In February 2022, Russia recognized the Donbass republics as independent states, accusing Kiev of failing to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014.

    On Thursday, Putin also recognized the independence of Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, both of which were seized by Russian forces soon after the start of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in February 2022. Since that time, the authorities in these regions had repeatedly mulled the idea of joining Russia before eventually holding the referendums in September.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/563761-gut...ession-russia/

    UN chief tells Moscow to ‘step back from the brink’

    UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres on Thursday warned Russia against the “annexation” of four former Ukrainian regions, accused Moscow of prompting a “dangerous escalation,” and called on the Kremlin “to step back from the brink.”

    His remarks come one day before the ceremonial signing of treaties on the inclusion of the two Donbass republics, as well as the self-proclaimed states in Kherson and Zaporozhye, into the Russian Federation.

    Speaking to the reporters, Guterres described the upcoming accession procedure as “a process of annexation of the Ukrainian regions.”

    “Any decision to proceed with the annexation of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions of Ukraine would have no legal value and deserves to be condemned. It cannot be reconciled with the international legal framework,” Guterres said.

    He explained that, at this “moment of peril,” his duty is to uphold the principles enshrined in the UN Charter, as well as in a key document of the UN General Assembly, the Friendly Relations Declaration of October 24, 1970. Both documents, he said, clearly state that no territorial acquisition “resulting from the threat or use of force” shall be recognized as legal.

    Therefore, Guterres argued, the actions of Moscow not only represent “a dangerous escalation” but also violate UN principles, so they “cannot be reconciled with the international legal framework” and “must not be accepted.” The UN chief also emphasized that the referendums in the two republics and two self-proclaimed states, which preceded their official requests to join Russia, were conducted during active military conflict in “areas under Russian occupation” and outside of Ukraine’s “legal and constitutional framework.” Therefore, Guterres argued, “they cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will.”

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    The secretary general called on Moscow “to step back from the brink” and stop the accession process, claiming that the prospects for a peaceful solution in Ukraine would otherwise be jeopardized even further. “It will prolong the dramatic impacts on the global economy, especially developing countries, and hinder our ability to deliver life-saving aid across Ukraine and beyond.”

    On September 21, two days before the referendums in the Donbass republics, Kherson, and Zaporozhye, Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed that the “majority of people living in the territories liberated from the neo-Nazis, and these are primarily the historical lands of Novorossiya, do not want to live under the yoke of the neo-Nazi regime.”

    The EU, US, and their allies have refused to accept the results of the referendums, calling them a “sham.” Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said, “Russia’s recognition of the pseudo-referendums” means that Kiev has “nothing to talk about” with Moscow.
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    This short clip is worth sharing, a historic moment. Putin is on stage with the heads of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik, as well as the leaders of Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, Vladimir Saldo and Evgeny Balitsky. All four signed the accession treaties together with Putin at the Moscow ceremony an hour ago.

    As what will be a legal (but necessary) formality, the treaties will now be submitted to Russia’s Constitutional Court, which will assess them to ensure they do not violate Russian law. Once they are cleared, the agreements will have to be ratified first by the State Duma – the lower house of the Russian parliament – and then by the Federal Council, its upper house.

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    https://www.rt.com/russia/563779-for...ence-pipeline/

    Russia says West was mastermind of Nord Stream attacks

    The director of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) Sergey Naryshkin says there is evidence, which indicates that “the West” may have been behind the disabling of the Nord Stream undersea pipelines.

    “We already have certain materials, which point to a Western trace in organizing and executing this terrorist attack,” Naryshkin told journalists on Friday.

    He made the remark after explaining that Western nations were trying to cover up the incident to protect the perpetrators and masterminds.

    “A number of Western nations launched a search for the ‘authors’ of this terrorist act pretty much the day after it happened,” he explained. “I believe the West is doing everything to hide the true executors and organizers” of the incident.

    Leaks in the underwater gas route between Russia and Germany were detected this week after a rapid drop of pressure on Monday. Seismologists in Sweden detected explosions in the area, where natural gas flowing out of the pipes was later discovered by air patrols. Western and Russian officials believe the ruptures to have been caused by sabotage.

    Nikolay Patrushev, the secretary of the Russian national security council, stated on Friday that the US was the primary beneficiary of the disruption. He pointed to a CIA-backed attack on Nicaragua’s oil infrastructure in the 1980s as a historic example of American sabotage operations.

    READ MORE: Russian security chief names ‘obvious’ beneficiary of pipeline rupture
    There has been speculation in the Western media that Moscow may have attacked the pipelines to put pressure on the EU, as it faces high energy prices before winter.

    Polish MEP and former Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski implied that the US was behind the incident by thanking it on Twitter. He celebrated the incident, saying that Russia would have to use an overland pipeline going through Poland, if it wants to deliver on its gas contracts with customers in Western Europe. The official, who has connections with Washington’s elite, later deleted the post, saying that he was sharing a personal theory about the Nord Stream breaches.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/563777-pat...elines-attack/

    Russian security chief names ‘obvious’ beneficiary of pipeline rupture

    The US stands to benefit economically from the attack on the Nord Stream gas pipelines and has a record of targeting energy infrastructure with sabotage operations, the head of Russia's Security Council said.

    “Pretty much from the first minutes after the news of the explosions broke … the West launched an active campaign for assigning blame. But it is obvious that the primary beneficiary, first of all in the economic sense, was the US,” Nikolay Patrushev said on Friday.

    He compared this week’s incident with the attack on Nicaragua’s oil infrastructure in Puerto Sandino in 1983. Back then CIA officers, based on a ship moored in international waters, coordinated a raid by commandos they had trained to fight against the Sandinista government, US press reported at the time. The US spy agency also provided speed boats for the raid, a CIA source explained, according to Associated Press.

    The operation was part of the Reagan administration’s “dirty war” on Nicaragua, which later led to the Iran-Contras scandal. The CIA’s secret sale of weapons to Iran to fund Latin American militants was exposed in 1986.

    Patrushev made the remarks at a meeting with fellow security officials from former Soviet nations.

    “It appears to be necessary to coordinate our effort to expose the masterminds and executors of this crime, setting a good example for effective cooperation,” he told his counterparts.

    Ex-Polish FM deletes tweet implying US sabotaged gas pipeline
    Ex-Polish FM deletes tweet implying US sabotaged gas pipeline
    He noted that the US goal was “ensuring strategic and economic superiority over alternative centers of power” even though Washington’s ally the EU has been suffering from its policies. The US is replacing Russian natural gas with its more expensive liquified natural gas, as the bloc moves to decouple its economy from Russian energy sources.

    The leaks in the two Nord Stream pipelines were first detected on Monday, when pressure in the undersea links connecting Russia directly to Germany drastically dropped. The pipelines were apparently breached with explosives, with the blasts detected by earthquake sensors in Sweden.

    Moscow called the incident an international terrorist attack against civilian infrastructure, while some Western officials described it as an act of sabotage.

    Some critics of Russia speculated that Moscow decided to blow up its own gas links with Germany to put pressure on the EU.

    Polish MEP and former Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski thanked the US for the incident, but later deleted the tweet, calling his implied assertion of Washington’s involvement a personal working theory.

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    UK Column News - 30th September 2022

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-co...ptember-2022-0





    The program opens on the topic of the referendum, then Patrick Henningsen brings many things related to the pipeline incident to the table that have not so far made it into the popular discussion about it, including the forced nationalisation of the German branch of GASPROM by the German government, on September 22nd.

    Other pipelines all across the region from Germany to Eurasia can now be considered military targets. One other line has just been shut down, in the southern distribution system.
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    Did Putin just make a reference to the Anglo Saxon Mission??? You can hear in the first three seconds of this clip his words "Anglo Saxon", which isn't the same thing as "the UK" which is how the author of the tweet took this.

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    The sabotage may have been done with weapons of a nation state that may have been placed on the pipeline by a submarine that was part of a national navy, but the planning and authorization may have been done by a supranational organization. Think on the level of the "Anglo Saxon Mission."
    "Anglo Saxon" is a very amgibuous choice of words. It could refer to:
    • Germany - where the two tribes originated
    • the British Isles - where the two tribes mixed and created a language and a civilization
    • the USA - where people of this descent settled, conquered and colonized the country.
    Of course, all of these countries are now much more multi racial and "Ango Saxon" doesn't really explain the official power structures of the government.

    "Anglo Saxon" is indeed a very interesting choice of words on Putin's part!

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    This situation - and whatever is in situ - looks deeply disturbing, and traumatising no matter what corner of planet we are looking .

    There is enough young Russian people out there speaking the truth right now and bursting to tears of the news or what they have experienced themselves while ago.

    Them and us also know well that all hatred was always artificial and has no bearing on “normal Russians” and “normal Ukrainians” who have been now called to perform acts of hostility against each other.

    I think it was Sun’tzu who said “there is nothing worse for a country than prolonged war” .

    It’s absolutely unacceptable to drive the EU and basically rest of the world to economic collapse and starvation exhausting current resources for many years to go !!!

    Therefor I believe that the War must be stopped fast as possible by focused strategical effort and diplomatic cooperation from all countries including that of China and North Korea , India and Israel to name but few,

    otherwise we all are equally inhumane towards both Russians, Ukrainians and overall cause and mission of humanity.

    By signing new soulless agreements and supporting this war from which ever side we are guilty for not taking the stand ,

    view that is native to all spiritual traditions
    and practical truth on life on Earth that can’t be forsaken in 2022.

    Normal citizen of this planet today wants to enjoy his “10 commandments” read human rights and freedoms on any place on this planet equally , with respect to his fellow beings.

    We all are absolutely capable of that, humanely and without borders.



    It takes a strong stand from all involved nations and organisations to stop this war on spot , in my opinion.

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