Bill Ryan from Project Avalon: Part 1
Benz (IB): It’s
the 20th of April, 2011. And I’m here with Bill Ryan from
Project Avalon, and we are going to do an interview about his life
and his goals and his vision for the planet. So, Bill, can you tell
me a little bit about your early years?
Ryan (BR): A
little bit about my early years... Okay. I’ll give you the
compressed version. I’m British. I was born in London. I was
taken off to West Africa by my parents as a babe-in-arms. And I had a
wonderful, exotic, tropical upbringing until I was about eight years
old, where, when I was driving through the rain forest in the back of
my dad’s Landrover, watching the monkeys swinging from the
trees, I thought that all this was normal. And that kind of spirit of
adventure, the love of the great outdoors, the love of the forest,
the love of the animals, the love of exotic places, and the love of
Africa, actually, has never really left me since then. It was a very
I went back to England when I was eight years old, basically, to get
my education, because up until then, I hadn’t done anything at
all. I was... I went to school in a few little, tiny places. Didn’t
really learn much. I used to read a lot, but I didn’t actually
receive any formal schooling.
my education started in England when I was eight years old. And since
then, I’ve loved to return to Africa at every possible
opportunity for any reason or no reason. And those of you who’ve
been there may understand that. So, what else would you like to know?
You’ll need to guide me through here. Otherwise I’ll talk
for hours about my childhood.
Right. Well, I’m really interested in what age or who
influenced you to look beyond what people would consider to be real
within the culture that we’re living in, to look beyond and see
the bigger picture.
The simple answer to that is, I don’t know, but it’s
always been with me. I’ve always
questioned things, I was always
curious, even as a little boy, in interesting stories, stories of the
unexplained. I was very open-minded about all kinds of things. I
remember when I was a little five-year-old boy, I used to climb a
tree in the garden in Ghana in West Africa, and I used to pretend
that this is my spaceship. And when I was eight years old –
this is a funny little story – when I was eight years old and I
went back to school, went to school in England, the teacher asked us
all to write a story, and all the other little children were writing
stories about their puppy dog or their day by the seaside. And young
Bill Ryan, eight years old, wanted to write about ghosts and flying
saucers. And my teacher wouldn’t let me.
so, this was my first experience of the cover-up.
was quite interesting. I have no idea why I wanted to write about
ghosts and flying saucers when I was eight years old. I don’t
know what I knew. I probably didn’t know anything, but I know
that I was enthusiastic. I really
wanted to write something. This little kid, wanting to communicate to
the world. And my teacher stopped me. It didn’t stop my
interest, though, because all throughout... my...
I was eight, nine, ten, throughout my teenage years, I would devour
books on the paranormal. I used to get them out of the library, I
saved up my pocket money to read Erich von Däniken’s Chariots
of the Gods.
Many of you watching this will maybe identify with that, if that was
one of your first books, to, to really point at the fact that there
are some very strange things that have happened on Planet Earth that
have been swept aside by the mainstream media.
certainly, by the time I was a young teenager, it was very
obvious to me that we weren’t being told the truth. And I was
so curious. I wanted to know about everything. And... I was... When I
was about 14 or 15, I decided that I wanted to be an astrophysicist,
because I figured out that the way to find out about life, the
universe, and everything, and why we’re all here, and what’s
going on, and why is there anything happening anyway, was to look
through a telescope and to figure out the basic principles of
thought if we look through a telescope and did a lot of math, then
you can get all the answers, following on from Einstein and the
quantum physicists. And the great cosmologist, naturist, physicist at
the time, Fred Hoyle, was a hero of mine, and so on and so forth. So
that’s how come I ended up studying math and went to university
to study math. And then I realized, when I was at university, that
what one has to do, is you’ve got to turn the telescope around.
This is a metaphor. You turn the telescope around.
don’t look outside to get the answers. You look inside.
Because, as Cat Stevens sang, ‘the answer lies within’
[from song ‘On The Road To Find Out’], not out there, at
the other end of the telescope. And so, that then started my own
journey – and this is something that will resonate with a lot
of people watching this – that started my journey, which was a
kind of personal development journey, a spiritual growth journey that
really led me to follow the string trail of who I was.
is this being who I call ‘I,’ who’s looking out
from my eyes into the universe? This viewpoint, this platform that
absorbs information and looks out. Who is that? Where does it come
from? What’s the difference between me and all the other people
who have the same experience looking out from their eyes? How did all
of that happen? And what’s the relationship between that
and everything that we see out there in the cosmos, when we look out
through our telescope? And kind of marrying this sort of personal,
spiritual picture, all of those big internal questions, with all of
those big external questions, has been a thread that’s run
through my life, I guess, and has taken me right through into the
mentioned before that you have actually worked for quite a long time,
inspiring people, before you got involved in the alternative media.
Can you tell me a little bit about that?
yeah. [chuckles] It’s interesting, [be]cause there are one or
two people who are sort of surprised, if you like, at a point which
I’ve reached now. And this is April 2011. And this is something
which I would this interview to be, at least partially about, which
is that, having founded Project Camelot with Kerry Cassidy in April
2006, pretty much exactly five years ago... That was all about
providing information for people, because people were starved of
information. They were confused. We’ve been lied to. We’re
having information withheld from us and altered by the mainstream
media. Our governments want to keep us in the dark for all kinds of
interesting reasons. Many people watching this will be totally aware
so, Project Camelot, founded five years ago, was a whistle-blowing
website. And that’s just a condensed form of saying that, we
wanted to present as much truth, laid out on this big buffet table,
of all these things that you can help yourself to. you can look at
this. You can talk about super soldiers. You can look at the Mars
base. You can look at Indigo children. You can look at paranormal
abilities. You can look at what may have happened back with the
Roswell incident. You can look at the whole
the idea was to present this sort of huge mosaic of information,
which was... most of which you wouldn’t find in one place, in a
kind of one-stop shop, as it were.
this was the informational mission that Kerry Cassidy and myself had.
And we’ve got hundreds of hours of video out there on the
internet. We’ve actually... We’ve lost count. Between us
now, it must be over 200 hours of testimony from some very
high-quality people, some very interesting people, some very smart
people, some very controversial people, some very startling
information. And we presented this all, saying, ‘Look. Look at
all of this. You won’t see this stuff on CNN.’ It wasn’t
the only place you could find it, but we wanted to put it all in one
place for people.
Now, as long ago as two years ago, Kerry Cassidy and I were talking
about the fact that maybe our work was pretty much done, in the sense
that maybe there are details of this information, which you could
drill down further into forever as necessary. Even now, for example,
on the 9-11 forums, 9-11 websites, you have people arguing and
discussing and debating with each other what it was that hit the
Pentagon, and what it was that took down the two towers, the Twin
Towers. Was it thermite or thermate or space-based weapon or what?
And actually, that’s interesting, and we need to get to the
bottom of that information in the end, but maybe in the big picture
it’s not that important. The fact is, it was a false-flag
you need to know in order to move on, to take that jigsaw-puzzle
piece and then fit that into the big mosaic of – What is going
on, on this planet? Why are we being lied to? Who are we? Why are
they doing this to us? And what is our position in the cosmos here,
that makes it so important for us to be dumbed down, lied to,
controlled, and suppressed, every minute of every day. Why would they
do that? It’s a very, very valuable question to ask.
what I’m saying there is that we’ve got enough
information out there already, and there is a lot on the internet.
There are many people who are doing this work. It’s quite
confusing, but a lot of the information is already out there. So now
what we want is inspiration. People need to get in touch with their
missions. They need to get in touch with their energy. They need to
get in touch with the reason why they’re here on this planet.
Why did they incarnate to this lifetime? There are many people who
write to us. They know
that there is something about themselves that they can’t quite
remember, that they can’t quite get in touch with. They know
that they’re here on a mission, for a purpose, and they can’t
quite remember what it was. They feel energized. They feel that
there’s something they have to do.
there are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people
who are in this position. Many of them write to us. And so, something
that excites me... And it’s important to say that, because if
somebody is talking to me, and they say, ‘Well, what shall I do
in my life?’ I
reflect that back to them and I say, ‘What is it you are
passionate about? What do you get excited about? What do you wake up
in the morning thinking about? What do you care about? What do you
talk about to anyone who is willing to listen?’ And that’ll
give you a clue as to what it is you should be doing.
what it is that excites me, and what it is that gets me up in the
morning, and what it is that I want to talk about, what it is that I
want to talk about now, is... it’s about what is it that we can
do together, where we can get the synergy, we can extract the
potential synergy of people working together, people inspiring each
other, people working in teams and alliances and networks all over
the world. We don’t have billions of dollars, but we may have
something else. We may have a lot of forces behind us. We may have a
lot of benevolent
forces behind us.
may have something that, for lack of any better word, you could call
a ‘human spirit,’ which, if it’s properly
harnessed... And when I say ‘harnessed,’ I’m
talking about the idea of a whole bunch of horses pulling a carriage,
harnessed together in the same direction. If this is harnessed, then
we have a lot of power there. And one of the things that’s
going on in the alternative media, the alternative community, is that
there’s a lot of division, there’s a lot of
fragmentation. There are a lot of people who are pulling in different
directions and not working as efficiently as they could do. I want to
get people working together. I want to support that process. I want
to energize and inspire individuals. And so, that’s where I am
you asked me a few minutes ago about what it was that I was doing
quite a long time ago, because some people are saying, ‘Well,
how come Bill Ryan has changed his direction?’ Well, Bill Ryan
hasn’t changed his direction at all. Bill Ryan was doing this
quite a long time ago, because I used to run team building, team
development, personal development, executive training courses. It’s
all in a kind of big box of stuff that’s closely related
together. Back in the early 1980s, I started doing this work. And I
was working with teams of managers and executives, and sometimes
young people as well, in business and industry in the UK. But I
wasn’t wearing a suit and tie. I was operating very informally.
was working an opportunity to work with individuals, to help them
become, for lack of a better word, to help them become better people,
or to help them to become the people they wanted to become [that]
they knew was inside them. It wasn’t about fulfilling any
corporate agenda, but it was about at the end of a five- or six-day
program, if somebody went back, went home at the end of that week and
they became, or they realized that they were able to be, a better
husband, a better wife, a better mother, a better father, better son,
better daughter, better employer, better citizen, because there was
something inside them that was operating to a much richer potential,
what some people might, these days, dare I say it, call it ‘higher
vibration,’ then everybody wins. We weren’t necessarily
working to specific goals, but by supporting those individuals in
really accessing their potential...
this is a kind of nod back to what in the ‘60s and ‘70s
used to be called the ‘human potential movement.’ It’s
a great name! I was really working at the tail end of that. I was
surfing on that wave. I had a lot of personal experiences at that
time that I really learned an awful lot from. And I did everything I
could do, to pass this on. So, although I was working in the
corporate world, this was what I was doing, in a kind of stealth
mode. It was, I was working directly with these individuals to help
them develop themselves in extraordinary ways. And this has always
been my passion, to be an educator.
I was...can’t remember...when I was 21 or 22 or something,
after I left university, I became a school teacher for a couple of
years, which was... which didn’t work out at all. I realized very
quickly that I was an indirect bastion of the establishment. That
what schools were, were they were just ways of institutionalizing and
socializing children to be obedient and to conform and to think in
certain regimented ways. Whatever schools might think, somebody,
usually people who are successful in the education system, are people
who learned to behave in a certain way. They getting rewarded for
that, just like Pavlov’s dogs. And then, they’re actually
being groomed to go into mainstream society and do everything that
mainstream society wants. The kids who question things, the kids who
the kids who are overly
creative, the kids who want to do things in their own
way, who are spirited and strong and maverick, are not usually the
kids who are rewarded by the school system. I saw this at first-hand.
got out of the school system as fast as I possibly could do, because
I was with those kids who were doing that. I was rooting for them all
the way. And, for a while, I was confused because I had this passion
to be an educator, and yet I thought, ‘Well, here I am, being
an educator. And this isn’t what I came here for.’ And I
even felt bad about it for a little while, because I just kind of ran
out of the door, I didn’t want anything to do with the school
system. And I thought to myself, ‘Well, maybe I don’t
have the courage. Maybe I don’t have the strength. Maybe I
should hang in there, like some teachers do.’
that was another way in which I came full circle, because years
later, I was working with people in what I would call a real...
really educating themselves, not in terms of stuffing them with
information like Christmas turkeys, but by inspiring them to do the
things that schools don’t teach, which is, how to work with
people, how to solve problems, how to be creative, how to reach
inside themselves to access the higher human abilities. And we used
to do this using outdoor activities and team-building games, and we
used to set up whole kind of micro universes of challenge and fun and
problem solving and working together that would sometimes last
several days. Like, they’d have a start. They would go through
this whole imaginary role-play drama. And then they’d come out
of it. And then we’d sit around eating tea and cakes. And we’d
talk about all of this. And then they’d share what they’d
learned. They’d talk about the mistakes they’d made, how
they were challenged, how they felt in certain situations, when
they’d felt under pressure trying to solve a problem in the
middle of the night when they wanted to communicate with somebody and
they couldn’t because... et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
a whole separate topic, because we had an awful lot of fun doing that
stuff. And then applied it into their lives again. So... enough of
that, but what’s happening here, with myself, is I’m kind
of coming full circle. I’m kind of coming back to my roots. I’m
impassioned by my own desire to work with people directly, so that
what I see in front of me is somebody who’s shining, who’s
energizing, who’s activating, who’s waking up in the
morning thinking, ‘Wow! I’m looking at the world now
differently from the way I was looking at it yesterday, and what can
I do now?’ That, for me, is the most rewarding experience I’ve
ever had. It always has been the most rewarding experience I’ve
ever had. And so, from the platform of having set up Project Camelot
and then Project Avalon, which were basically whistle-blowing
websites, now it’s about – What do we do now? What do we
that we’ve known...
that we know we’re being lied to, now that we know what’s
really going on, now that we know a little bit about who we are, now
that we a little bit about the real history of Planet Earth, now what
do we do? Or are we just going to sit back like consumers and kind of
watch all this on the internet like some alternative television?
That’s not the answer. We have to engage in the world, do
stuff, fix it, be the change we want to see in the world and confront
absolutely everything that we have done because we have trashed this
beautiful planet. We’ve trashed this place. It’s going to
take a while to fix it up. It’s going to take two or three
generations to repair all the damage. It’s repairable. And one
of my passions, if there is one thing I would like to see, over the
next 30, 40, 50 years... If I’m in a position to see it from
wherever I am, I want to see this being repaired. This planet is
worth it, and the human race is worth it. That’s my message.
the moment, there is a lot of fear on the planet, with regards to
catastrophes and things collapsing, the financial system collapsing.
And one side of that is, who is doing all this, and that would be the
whistle blower side or the information side. And... but there’s
people who want to know where can they go, what should they do, and
what would you say to them about where should they go for the next
There are two questions there, I think. And one is about our
responses to the concern about bad news, things going wrong, earth
changes, earth quakes, financial catastrophes, any
kind of catastrophes. And those people who spend a lot of time on the
internet know that the internet is full
of this stuff. And it’s not all crazy, but there is a subtlety
going on here that I want to come back and talk about. That’s
one thing that this question is about. Then the other part of that
question is, you said, ‘Well, what should people do and where
should people go?’ which taps into what I was saying at the end
of my previous question, which is about, okay, we don’t just
watch this like some kind of reality disaster movie. We’ve
actually got to get on and do something about it. Okay.
first part of that question is that, anyone who is watching this now,
knows that there are predictions, there are warnings, there are
prophesies, made in good faith. People who’ve received
channeled information, leaked information from black project
insiders. We’ve received that information ourselves, saying
that this might happen and that might happen and this might happen on
a certain date and we’ve all got to be careful.
actually, at the moment, in April 2011, you know what? Everything is
kind of all right. It’s sort of all right. Now, I’m not
minimizing some of the things that have really hit a lot of people
very hard, like the earthquake in Japan, like other disasters that
have happened elsewhere in the world. I’m not being silly about
this, but I’m kind of saying, that the Earth hasn’t split
in two yet. We haven’t got people shooting out. We haven’t
got gangs roaming the streets in downtown New York, killing each
other for food, because all the supermarkets are closed and we got
global famine or something. We aren’t in that position.
there is an interesting phenomenon here, because many of you watching
this may be aware of a very interesting thing that happened, which
was publicized by Kerry and myself on Project Camelot in October
2008. And we were in Australia at the time, attending the Nexus
Conference. And we got a call from Dr. Bill Deagle early that
morning. And Dr. Bill Deagle is an interesting man. I count him as a
friend. He’s very smart. He’s very aware. He’s very
sensitive. And he’s very courageous. And he called us, having
lived through a night of visions, as he described it. They weren’t
dreams. He was experiencing a reality, which he was observing, that
he described as an American city being the victim of an atomic blast
or an atomic attack of some kind. And he was so shocked by this, that
he could barely speak. He was almost in tears. This is a very... this
is a brave, tough guy, who’s seen a lot of stuff, and he could
barely handle what it was that he had lived through that night. And,
of course, he wanted to get this information out about what he’d
experienced, because he felt that he had a duty to warn people in
As we all know, that hasn’t manifested. And then, some people
come back to Dr. Bill, and they say, ‘Well, he’s crazy.
He’s delusional. He’s hallucinating. He can’t be
relied upon as a source of information because, look, he’s
saying all this stuff and it never happened. We’d better ignore
that may not be fair, because when people write to me and they cite
this example, and they say, ‘Well, that didn’t happen. So,
what have you got to say?’, kind of. And some people say that
in an accusing way, like we’re spreading fear in some way,
despite reporting this experience that Dr. Bill Deagle had. And my
reply is that, how do we know that this hasn’t happened on
another timeline? It feels to me, that that did happen, but rather
like, if you got several different ways of travelling to a city,
which is your destination, you can go onto several different freeways
to get there. And there’s a big pile-up of cars. There’s
a huge accident on one of the freeways. But you’re on the other
one, so you don’t experience that. You hear about that on the
news later, after you’ve reach your destination. You realize
what happened on the other freeway, which you didn’t go on.
this is a very crude example of this business of parallel timelines,
where there are a number of different ways, maybe even an infinite
number of different ways, in which we can get from our current
reality to some future point that we are experiencing. They may even
diverge and then come together again. You can imagine this as a kind
of flow diagram of alternatives.
any of you have seen the film ‘Sliding Doors’ with
Gwyneth Paltrow, back in the 1990s, it’s a beautiful example of
a bifurcation, a split of the timeline into two parallel realities,
that then later came back together again in a rather special way. It
might well be, that this is exactly how the universe is constructed.
The universe has got plenty of room for all of this stuff to happen
I would strongly suggest that what is happening at the moment, with a
lot of warnings, a lot of anxiety, a lot of prophesies that haven’t
come true, even information that seems to have been given to
contactees and abductees by the ETs, who are also watching all this
stuff play out... If this hasn’t happened or doesn’t
happen, what it means, is it means that we have somehow been smart
enough to get ourselves... And this is the ‘I’ that is
looking at this video from your viewpoint, through your eyes, looking
at the whole world.
now, you’re on a timeline, that is one in which these things
haven’t happened. And something that Camelot whistle blower
Henry Deacon told us, one of the first things that he told us, he was
talking about timelines. He said they know about this stuff on the
inside. They know about this stuff in black projects. They try and
mess around with it, using extremely high technology. There are all
kinds of tangles going on.
if you’ve got two timelines, he said, that are very, very close
to each other, there is a way in which they can interfere and
resonate with each other, almost like two high-powered electrical
wires, high-voltage electrical wires, that are very, very close to
each other, without total shielding and insulation, then they’re
going to interfere with each other. One wire knows that the other
wire is there, just a few inches away. And some of these timelines,
in that same way, may be very close to us.
we’re living through a day where something bad happened on
another timeline, that’s just that far away from us – and
you have to see this in a kind of multi-dimensional way – we’re
going to feel pretty weird that day. We’re going to feel that
something’s going to happen, but it doesn’t happen. And
then, maybe at the end of the day, we think, ‘Well, I kind of
think that something happened.’ But nothing happened.
is probably, in my own personal opinion, what’s going on here.
And so, in a condensed way, this is the best summary I can give, for
people who worry about stuff, because some of this stuff they’re
worried about, isn’t going to happen to them or may have
already happened to them in a different timeline. At the moment, we
may be okay.
the second part of the question is, ‘Where should people be?’
Where should people go? What should people do? And a lot of people
write to me with that kind of question. They say, ‘Should I go
to South America?’ Should I go to Switzerland? Should I go to
Australia? Where is going to be the safest place to be?
my reply is always, that the answer is going to be different for
every person, because it depends what your purpose is. And this taps
back directly into what I was saying a few minutes ago. That this is
the most important question that you can answer for yourself, is
‘What should you be doing? What is it that fuels your passion?
Gets you excited? Makes you feel on the edge of your seat, that you
should really be doing something right now?’
it might not be about just heading for the hills. It might not be
about going to Ecuador and living on a mountainside, waiting until
the coast is clear, to come out again. It might be, that your mission
is to be in the streets of New York or Los Angeles or... Delhi or
Cairo or Cape Town or anywhere,
where you may have a mission to help people. You may need to be in a
particular part of the world where there’s somebody who you
need to meet and work with.
could be any number of answers to that question. And there’s no
set answer. There really isn’t. You have to look within. You
have to look at the mirror. And you have to follow your intuition,
because we can’t figure this stuff out logically. We really
can’t follow it out logically. We’ve got to sort of
listen to that voice inside, which does
have the answers, whether it’s coming from your higher self or
something that you always know... you always knew or something that
you planned for yourself in this lifetime but you can’t quite
remember the details.
You already know.
This is the thing to tell yourself. ‘You already know.’
It’s just on the tip of your tongue. And stay
with it and it will come. And if you allow... [sighs] Ugh! It’s
so hard to explain... It’s like, if you look for signs, if you
look for clues, if you’re alert, if you’re aware, if you
have a high sensitivity antennae, where you’re looking for
little signs that will tell you things. And you notice your own
reaction as people say things. Look for your own reaction as you...
as you co-incidentally stumble upon something on Facebook or on the
internet or when you watching a television program and somebody says
something and it’s suddenly resonating with you.
something. It means
something. And that’s the way that the universe around you
will... provide the reflection that you need, in order for you to
look at that reflection and to figure out what it is that you should
be doing. That’s where the answers come from.
IB: If you were to say... So
basically, a little summary there would be, rather than look for
wherever you’re going to be the safest and you and your
children survive all this, it would be to say, ‘Where am I and
my children going to be the most benefit to society?’ Would
that be it, do you think?
BR: Exactly, because it... It
depends what you’re here for. If you’re here to hide
until the storm is over and then come out and then do something, then
go hide. And I actually mean that very seriously, that may be the
right thing to do.
if you are here to help people, if you are here to form teams, if you
are here to re-train as a paramedic, if you are here to go to Africa
to help people there, who may be experiencing something that we
wouldn’t want people to experience, because we don’t want
our fellow human beings to experience it. If this is why you are
here, then go there and do that. It’s not about personal
see... I mean, everything’s risky. Every decision you make is
risky. You’ll never know the answers. Birth is risky. Childhood
is risky. Getting a job is risky. Marrying someone is risky. Taking a
job is risky. Everything is risky. Life is risky. You’re not
going to get out of it alive! [chuckles] Everything is risky! So, do
what you came here for. You’re not going to get out of here
alive. So do the best job you possibly can do, during that time and
do the right
thing. And one of the little ways to do this... There are all kinds
of processes you can do, if you’re working with somebody about
things like this.
of the things which I’ve done with people sometime is, you say,
‘Okay. Now just imagine you’re ninety years old. You’re
coming to the end of your life. You’re not in any pain. You’re
surrounded by the people who love you. You’re surrounded by
your children. Everything’s fine. You know that you’re
moving on quite soon. And you’re experiencing a wonderful sense
of satisfaction. You’re looking back over your life and you’ve
done everything that you came here for and your life has been rich
and satisfying and filled with everything
that you wanted to accomplish when you came here. And then, this
person who I’m talking with is thinking ‘Yeah, I can kind
of get into that.’ And then you say, [snaps fingers] ‘What
did you do?’ And the answer to that question is whatever it is
that you should be doing now, because you’re not there yet.
IB: Right. What would be... Do
you have an idea of what the ‘big picture’ is of why all
these things are happening right now on the planet?
BR: [sighs] Ah! Yeah. This is
the subject of a much longer conversation.
order for the human race to be lied to, to be controlled, to be dumbed
to be deprived of our abilities, for our children to be doped up with
toxins in their food and their drink, for them to put fluoride in the
water, that the Nazi’s used to subdue the prisoners that they
us to be hypnotized by mind-numbing reality shows on television and
for people to be corralled and stupefied and taught in our schools
that... that spiritual abilities don’t exist, that we are all
animated hunks of meat, that reincarnation is a fantasy and that
everything that happened here is a sort of neo-Darwinist accident...
like, for the people to put that net in place upon our potential,
they must be very afraid of us. They must be very afraid. It’s
like, in order to apply that
much of a knockout cocktail of drugs to a bunch of people, they must
afraid of what those people would do if they were really allowed to
once again, this goes back to what it is that I feel so animated
about, because this needs to be countered – not countered by
fighting it – I’m not talking about taking your pitch
forks on the streets. This isn’t going to work. Those guys have
got billions of dollars, advanced weaponry, and control of the media.
You’re not going to be able to do it with force.
you can do it in a different way. You can do it by accessing your
potential as an infinite, extraordinary, wonderful, beautiful,
inspired, transcendent being. That is who we are, occupying these
limited little bodies that are for just a brief [snaps fingers]
candle flame of existence.
are so powerful, what could those magnificent god-like beings do, if
they all work together in harness to realize their full potential?
There’s somebody here... There’s some people here on
Planet Earth and probably, very probably elsewhere, who are handling
and controlling and manipulating the controllers on Planet Earth who
do not want that potential to manifest. They don’t want you to
be who you are.
asking yourself ‘Why?’ is a wonderful question. Why?
Because of who you could be, what you could do, because of the
magnificence that you are. What could this planet be? What could the
Human Race be? What could we all do together?
don’t even know the answers to those questions, but we’re
not being permitted to try. We’re not even being permitted to
think about it. And so, that’s the place to go. If there’s
something that we’re not being permitted to do... If there’s
something that we’re not being permitted to think about... If
there’s something that we’re not being permitted to
experience, it must
be worth thinking about experiencing and doing. It must be.
IB: Why do you think they are
doing that? What are they afraid of? Why are they afraid of it? Or do
they have some sort of agenda or profit from having us dumbed down?
BR: [sighs] [pause] There...
Okay. There’s a big pause for thought there, because here we
retreat into the sort of... into the infinite cosmology that I was
referring to earlier, that isn’t about the physical cosmology
of the universe. It’s about the spiritual cosmology of the
is a contest, a game and when that gets pointed... it feels like a
battle, going on between good and evil. It is just a game. As I said
in my Freedom Central interview, which I did eighteen months ago,
it’s a paradox. It is a game. At the highest level, nothing
matters. It’s just another game, like watching a ball game.
Some win. Some lose. Some people have a hard time. some people are
heroes. Some people achieve what they want to. Some people get
carried off the pitch. And ultimately, it doesn’t really
matter, because at the end of the game you say, ‘Well that was
a great game!’
these lowest levels, it starts to feel really important. We take it
very seriously. And so, given that we’re here, we’re kind
of... We’re assuming it’s important, because we might as
well. What else is there to do? When we’re playing any
game at all, we get into it. We go into the game and we pretend that
it’s important. And we take sides and we have opinions and we
argue... or in a sport, we’re doing everything we can do, to
try and counter the intentions of the opposition and so on and so
forth. But ultimately, it doesn’t matter.
at the level just below where it doesn’t matter, there’s
a kind of polarization there. Now this has been in... There are
archetypes here, all throughout culture, through every aspect of
religious and spiritual experience, for as long as we can remember,
about what you could call ‘good’ and ‘evil,’
about what you could call the ‘forces of darkness’ and
the ‘forces of light.’
was... That archetype was presented in modern times by George Lucas
in the ‘Star Wars Trilogy,’ this is why it was so... This
is why it touched so many people, because he was talking about the
evil empire and the dark side and the force and Jedi who were able to
reach inside themselves, this small number of people who are able to
defeat these huge armies, because of their transcendence and because
of how they reached into themselves to access the higher human
there’s something there which is an archetype. It’s a
game. It’s a game that’s been set up. It’s the
greatest game that there is. And when we’re inside that game,
it feels very serious. And so, at this level, we could just sit and
watch it. We could just pull back from the whole thing and watch the
whole thing play out like some kind of entertainment.
some people do that. And that’s all right. But if you feel
that you have something to do... If you feel that you need to take
action... If you feel that you need to... to engage with this, then
it means that you’re not a spectator. It means that you are a
player. And if you’re a player on this field... And this is
what I’m really talking to. So my passion is coming from this
provisional view point that I’ve kind of created for myself,
that it’s important. I’m saying, ‘Let’s
pretend this is important. And if this is important and we’re
in this game, then here are the opponents. This is what is at stake.
This is what we can do. This is how we can work together. Here’s
the plays we can make and let’s go and let’s do it.’
a different level – and there really are people who do this –
they pull back from the whole thing and they watch everything from a
kind of metaphorical cloud and then they say, ‘Well, actually,
it’s all cool. It’s all cool whatever happens. It doesn’t
really matter. It doesn’t matter whether the human race
destroys itself. It doesn’t matter whether the planet blows up.
It doesn’t matter who wins.’ And that’s true as
well. It’s a paradox.
IB: So you mentioned that
people are being dumbed down
with drugs and with the... the stimuli of programs and all these
things. And their bodies are being poisoned to keep them at a very,
like, ‘sleeping’ mode. What would you think would happen
if a person or a group of people removed all those shackles? What
would they be able to do, do you think?
BR: That’s a great
question, isn’t it? [sighs] I mean, the snappy answer is to
say... I mean, the clever answer is to say, ‘Well, it has to be
worthwhile finding out.’ Give yourself the chance. What can you
do? What could you do?
the way that I present this to somebody, is to say, that to live the
life to the maximum of your potential, it may not be easy, but it’s
going to be worth it. And you only know if it’s worth it, if
you try. And you may as well try, because what else are you going to
do, unless you’re going to be a consumer and a spectator. You
may as well try.
there are various ways in which one can work on this. And there are
two main parts, of course, to a human being. I mean, one can break it
down into all kinds of components, but there are two main parts. And
that is, that there’s you
who are the rider of this horse, the driver of this car, the being in
the body, what Arthur Koestler called ‘the ghost in the
there’s the body itself. And the body has its own intelligence.
It has its own agenda. It has its own mechanics. It’s largely a
physical object – not entirely a physical object – but
that’s a different question. And there are a lot of things that
one can do to optimize the body. And optimizing the body will help
the being, who is in the body, operate at the greatest potential.
simple analogy – it doesn’t matter whether you’re...
It doesn’t matter how good a driver you are. You could be
Michael Schumacher. You could be Sterling Moss, for old timers. But if
you’re in an old banger with a clapped out engine, and the car
doesn’t work properly, it doesn’t matter how good a
driver you are. You’ll never be able to go anywhere with it!
you have to have a good vehicle and the body is your vehicle. And so,
my advice to any... any friend that I have is, don’t do drugs.
Do eat and drink the purest, least-polluted food that you possibly
can do. If you’ve got toxins inside you, get them out, because
they operate like a fog of... internal suppression on your systems.
They really do.
are all kinds of ways in which you can detoxify your body. There are
all kinds of ways in which you can optimize your body’s
performance. That will help you. As the Latin saying goes, ‘Sana
mens in sano corpora.’ [note: actual Latin quote is ‘Mens
sana in corpore sano’] A healthy mind in a healthy body. If
the body is not healthy, your mind can’t do the job on its own.
then there’s an enormous
raft of personal development techniques that the being can go
through. And one of the things that is important to understand, is
that one of the... is that the reason why we are operating at a level
of... debilitation, less than our full ability... We can’t do a
lot of the things that spiritual beings can do, as human beings.
We’re kind of limping around in these shackles of... amnesia
and... so-called paranormal abilities.
not paranormal. They’re normal. But ever since we came into the
physical universe, came into this reality matrix, whatever words you
want to use, we have accumulated so much unfinished business,
unhandled stuff, things that happened to us which we haven’t
processed, things that we’ve denied rather than facing,
responsibilities that we never took, things that we did and never
of this stuff, over eons of time, which some people call ‘Karma,’
has left us with this huge amount of baggage that people carry around
with them. And this baggage makes us... it makes us tired. It makes
us feel small. It makes us feel unable. It makes us kind of
permanently feel that we can’t do things and we shouldn’t
do things and we’re not good enough to do things. Because we’re
living with all of this stuff that happened to us and which we did to
others over millions of lifetimes and more.
the reason why I’m saying this, is because, in my view, it’s
impossible to clean up oneself as a being, without going back to look
at and process things that one experienced in previous lives. And, of
course, we’ve got this kind of firewall that prevents us from
doing that, because one of things that has happened is that we’ve
all got amnesia.
that’s a very interesting phenomenon. And I don’t know
where this amnesia comes from, but I have a suspicion that it’s
got something to do with a sort of [chuckles] – this is a
metaphor – a sort of electric fence, if you like, if you
like... That is, that it corrals us as animals in this field, which
is... which is Planet Earth. It’s one of the factors that
prevents us from escaping, one of the factors that prevents us from
just being able to... to move out, in a metaphorical way... to really
realize who we could be.
see, if you wanted to control somebody, one of the first things that
you do... If you had ultimate power, if you wanted to control
someone, one of the first things that you would do, is take away
their memory. They can’t even remember... They can’t
remember how to drive their car. They can’t remember their bank
account. They can’t even remember how to talk. They can’t
remember where they live. They can’t remember their name. If
you wanted to disempower somebody, that’s a pretty good way to
that may be the most fundamental way in which we’re all
disempowered. And because this sort of happens to all of us, we think
this is normal[, too]. Maybe that’s not normal at all.
are a lot of reports from contactees and abductees who have had some
kind of communication with ETs. There are many people who do
communicate with discarnate beings. There’s a lot of channeled
information that’s nonsense, but some of that channeled
information is true.
broad thrust that we get from off-planet entities, whether they’re
physical or not, is that those beings are very
well aware of a whole bunch of stuff. They know who they are. They
don’t have amnesia. They have the big picture. They can see the
big landscape. They know where they fit. They know the rules of the
game. They know what the game is.
it would seem that there’s something going on, that they’re
trying to tell us, without interfering. They trying to nudge us
along. They’re trying to do sort of a little bit like what I’m
trying to do at the moment. This is my own style of a message that
one might get from a spirit guide, if you like, but I’m still a
human being. I’m saying, ‘Look. There’s more going
on than you think. And one of the first things you’ve got to
do, is you’ve got to get your memory back, because that’ll
help a lot!’
as you get your memory back, what tends to happen, is one’s
processing old things that happened to you, back in the mists of
time. It could be back in the mists of time in your last life time.
It could be back in the mists of time a zillion lifetimes ago on some
other planet. It doesn’t actually matter, because we carry this
stuff with us like balls and chains around our feet, that stop us
from being able to run and stop us from being able to fly.
you can handle all that stuff, if you can process it – there
are lots of ways to do it – then, that’s going to set you
free. And it’s not a process of... in my view, let me say...
it’s not a process of evolution.
believe profoundly that this is a misunderstanding that the
alternative community... that the alternative media, that the new age
media have. This idea that we’re all kind of evolving somehow.
I see it and I kind of put this to you for you to consider, that we
are in a devolved
state. That a long, long, long
time ago, we were in a much more capable... We were much brighter. We
were much more able. We were much more gifted. We were much more
aware in every
when I say... I’m not talking about a few thousand years ago,
I’m talking about way
back in the mists of time,
when we came into the physical universe as god-like beings wanting to
play a game. Just like football players coming onto the pitch at the
start of the game. That happened a long time ago. We all came on to
this pitch. And it was such a tough game, that what’s
happening, now zillions of years later, is that everyone’s
staggering around on the pitch. They can’t remember when it
started. They can’t remember who they are. They can’t
remember what they were doing before they got here. They can’t
remember anything. They’re just kind of... [chuckles] They’re
staggering around on the pitch, trying to do the best they can do,
without even knowing the rules of the game. Or... or anything about
how come they got to be there.
so, we’re in a devolved
state. And now, what we need to do, is to retrieve those lost
abilities, to retrieve those lost memories, to retrieve that lost
awareness, to retrieve that lost power. And we’re pulling out
of a deep dip, where the opportunity is to reclaim our birthright.
It’s to reclaim our identity, to know who we are. And that’s
how we’re going to get out of here. So, we’re... It’s
like we need to climb out of this big hole that we fell in to.
IB: With regards to... you
mentioned, like, having memories from other planets. There’s a
lot of information on the internet about people experiencing or
memories of having come into their life... basically for the first
time on the planet.
IB: Do you know why this is
happening? There seems to be like a huge wave of all these beings
coming in and reincarnating into human bodies. Do you have anything
to say about that?
BR: Absolutely. There are
people who write to me saying, ‘When is the cavalry coming?’
And I say, ‘Well go look in the mirror.’
are a lot of extraordinary beings coming in. That’s for sure.
There are a lot of remarkable children. You may... Watching this, you
may be the parents of some remarkable children. You may have been a
remarkable child yourself. You may still be a remarkable child thirty
or forty or fifty years later. There are some very remarkable beings,
many of whom have come in with an enhanced awareness, with their
amnesia only partial. Some children come in with full memories of who
of course, what happens is that those kids are... They’re often
uncontrollable. They often have minds of their own. They... Other
kids are often afraid of them, because children kind of want people
to be the same as them. They don’t like kids who are different.
It’s very interesting. Children can be the cruelest
beings to other children that there are. It’s not necessarily
children being abused by adults. It’s children actually being
abused by children. And there are many, many instances of children
who’ve had a very hard time at the hands of other children.
so, there’s so many places to go with this, because as a
parent, if you are watching this... And if you’re child has got
invisible friends, maybe they’re not imaginary. Maybe they are
real. Maybe you and I can’t see them, but maybe they can. If
your child is talking about things that they can do or things that
they want to do, or is talking about strange stuff – maybe this
is real. Maybe this is stuff that we don’t know about, but they
do. Maybe it’s not a fantasy.
my plea, I guess, for any parents out there, is to do everything you
can do to support your child in being who they want to be, when
they’re at a very young age. They know. And we between us, in
this society, we do a... [chuckles] We do a staggering job of
stomping on our children, of telling them that they must conform, of
telling them that they mustn’t make up stories about things
that aren’t real, of telling them that, if they are different
from other kids, then they won’t have any friends, and they’ve
got to do what other kids do, in order to be liked and to be normal
and to be a good citizen.
mean, this is as suppressive as any Nazi regime. It’s just got
a sugar coating over it that makes us all feel that we’re being
reasonable. But these children are coming in with remarkable
abilities, with a remarkable sense of purpose. They’re coming
in all over the world. There’s a wonderful book written by a
Chinese researcher, whose name I can’t quite remember at the
moment – Paul Dong, I think – called ‘Chinese Super
Psychics.’ I’ll put a reference to this on the video.
Remarkable stories about children who have come into China, ever
since the early 1980s, being able to do all kinds of things. And, of
course, the Chinese government are very smart. And they’re
working with them to figure out how these children can do what they
do. See what they can learn, to try and get them to work for the
military and so on and so forth.
of people who’ve come here for the first time, either from
other dimensions, from other realities, from other planets. They’re
all coming here to Planet Earth. And this tells you something here.
Even though this proportion is small, compared to the seven billion
people we’ve got on this planet, it doesn’t need that
many in order to start this catalytic chain reaction of awareness
which is already happening.
kids... [sighs] Now, many of them are... They’re middle-aged, I
guess. Dolores Cannon calls them ‘volunteers.’ She refers
to them as coming in, in several waves. And the first wave, I
suppose, is my own generation. I’m in my fifties at the moment.
Many of you watching this may also be in your fifties. And we’re
kind of paving the way for these remarkable children to come through.
And they’re not going to... [chuckles] They came here wanting a
better world. They came here with some
sense of who they are. They came here being aware of the fact that a
lot of the things they see around them are wrong. They came here
wanting to fix things up, if they possibly can do. And so, the
here. But it’s tough for anyone coming here for the first time.
This is a tough place to be. It’s a tough school.
tiny little story I can tell, which some of you already know, is that
I came to the West myself from Tibet, I had been in Tibet for about a
thousand years or so. And I came to the West in 1850. It seemed like
a good idea at the time. I was born into a very strict Victorian
family in England in the year 1850 and I was absolutely smashed.
Nothing I had done in that previous thousand years had equipped me
for what happened to me in that Victorian family in 1850, and that
life was a disaster. I’ve been picking myself up since then.
I’ve been recovering my memories. I’ve been recovering my
abilities. I’ve been handling what happened in that lifetime.
only a tiny moment of time in the past. Looking back, that was a
tough life. And it was a complete failure. Looking back, it was
like... It’s just like having a bad day last week. These things
are ephemeral. They do kind of pass.
the reason why I’m just sharing that personal story, is that it
can be very hard for people coming here for the first time, because
this is a tough place to be. It’s a tough place to hang out.
one of the things that happens... This is just another way of
re-framing what it was that I was saying earlier. David Icke talks
about this a lot. He says that the people controlling the planet
can’t do this on their own. How can a few thousand people
control seven billion? They can’t. They have to do it with the
consent of most of the others who are asleep.
got an awful lot of people out there who are operating in an
unconscious way, who are representing this message, that you’ve
got to do things in a certain way, that this is what’s normal,
that this is what’s required of you, that they’re going
to frown on you or disapprove of you... Or even if you happen to be
in law enforcement, they’re going to lock you up if you do
this, that or the other. Not because they’re evil, but because
there is a cycle of abuse going on and they’re actually the
long arm of the controllers. But the people who are actually... who
are spearheading this, are a relatively small number.
the point that David Icke makes, totally correctly, in my view, is
that they can’t do this without the compliance of a lot of
people who are actually operating on their behalf.
IB: So basically, they are
keeping the masses asleep and then influencing their agreement.
Right? Would that be...?
BR: Absolutely right.
IB: I’m interested in...
a little bit about the view of David Icke’s behind who are the
rulers of the planet and also some other information that you’ve
received. What do you think makes them so able to do it? I mean, are
they people who haven’t forgotten, who do have their abilities?
What’s going on there?
BR: [sighs] Good question.
IB: Are they
IB: Or pure humans?
BR: Great question! I don’t
know the answers to those questions, but there is an enormous amount
of evidence that points to the fact that... And it’s well
documented by anyone who picks up these string trails and follow
them. They follow the data trail to wherever it goes.
there are a relatively small number of insiders who do
know what’s going on. They do know the history of the Planet
Earth. They do have the documentation. They do have the esoteric
knowledge. They have esoteric knowledge that is directly connected to
being able to liberate those suppressed abilities and use them to
evil ends. It’s called ‘black magic.’
is such a thing as magic. This isn’t just a fanciful ‘Harry
Potter’ nonsense. There is black
magic and there is white
magic. And all of these
things are kind of scoffed at, but the insiders take them very, very
seriously. And it’s a question, just like any other ability at
all – the surgeon’s knife can be used to kill or cure.
Magic can be used to liberate or to enslave. It just depends on the
intentions of whoever it is that is wielding the instrument.
on the inside. They... they have a lot of esoteric knowledge that’s
being passed down for thousands of years. They have hidden libraries
on books which contain history and... access to this information.
That empowers them, because knowledge is power. And this is why we
don’t have that knowledge, because we’re not being
allowed to know who we are.
insiders, I believe, know exactly who they are. They know where they
came from. They know what it is that they are doing. And there is a really
good reason why they don’t want other people to know. It’s
all about... It’s all about control.
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