HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES
Ryan (BR): This is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon, and it's the
date... and I'll say that again, let me start one more time. I'll
tell you what you could do actually, could you do one of these hand
Icke (DI): Yeah sure. Well, one and a half hand claps I can do.
BR: This is the sound of a one and a half hands
DI: Yeah, yeah... [claps his hands twice]
BR: Very good, okay... Very nice. So.
DI: I've the quietest clapper ever, me,
I have to do it something like this [claps the bottom of his hands
BR: [laughs] You have to remind
One of these days those idiots on YouTube are gonna get the hang of
the fact that you've got arthritis and therefore you can't do a
proper handshake, you know. [laughs]We should do a demonstration on
DI: Yeah, this is a...
BR: ...of Look,
you know, we're trying our best to...
DI: That's a Masonic handshake, ladies and gentlemen... [laughs]
trying our best to shake hands here...
DI: ...it's a Masonic handshake between, ah, masons who've got
rheumatoid arthritis in their hands, you know, it's a, it's an old
DI: ...goes back to Babylon. [They both laugh]
BR: So, this is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon and the date is the 19th
of May, 2010. And even now I can't quite believe it's 2010. You know,
David, sometimes you must look back and you think “My God, it was
in the early 1990's last time I looked. Time is accelerating.” Do
you find that sometimes?
DI: I find it all the time, Bill. When I first had my conscious
awakening in 1990 and I started meeting psychic after psychic who
were just giving me the same basic confirming repeating information,
one of the earliest things that I came across was something that I
Truth Vibrations. In
fact, the first book I ever wrote on these subjects was called Truth
Vibrations because of this.
it was – and, my goodness me there was no sign
of it at the time,
to say the least – there was a vibrational change in the process of
it manifesting, and this was going to; a) break
the density that was holding people in servitude, in the collective
coma if you like, and people are gonna wake up and see themselves and
the world in a different way; and the other thing that it was going
to bring to the surface all that had remained hidden.
again, you know, as we know: 1990, are you kidding? No sign of it.
But look at it now, it's unbelievable
the number of people who are waking up all over the world to a new
version of self and the world. And, my goodness, how much information
has hit the surface that wasn't there 20 years ago? How many? Not,
ten years ago, five years ago, it's an exponential curve.
one of the interesting aspects of this which I, again, picked up in
those early days, was a... One line through a psychic to me was:
eventually, time is gonna
fast, it's going to be frightening. Because, time and space – for
me, anyway – are not real, well we know that,
they are a construct.
you take a computer disk and it's got information on it, and it's
programmed with certain data, and you put it in the computer. That
computer will read that data and it will take that, if you like,
digital level, information level, and it will put it on the screen as
apparently time and space. And we're
doing that, and the left brain is taking information, and it's
the more quickly it makes that sequence happen, the more time seems
to be passing quicker and the reverse in the other way. And so, as
people, Einstein said: if you sit in the dentist waiting room, then
that sequence is not very fast – [mumbling:] Oh
And then you've got, I think in his analogy you're in the company of
a beautiful woman, and “ssshhhh” [motioning forward] the sequence
is real quick.
what seems to be the situation is that this energetic change, as we
change from an epoch of suppression to an epoch of expansion and
enlightenment, and awareness, is that it's having the effect of the
way we decode
reality, the way we decode sequence, appears to be being
I said in an article the other day, did
April happen? Did we have March? If so, why did I miss it? Because
that's what it seems to me, that's just extraordinary the way
Christmas... What, wh... When was Christmas? I mean, two years ago? I
mean it's just amazing what's happening.
BR: This awakening that you refer to, you saw that in front of your
at the Brixton Academy just a few days ago when you did your major,
new rollout presentation after the publication of your new book. And,
of course, this is why this interview is timed the way that it is
because – let me talk to the audience here: David's got a
substantial amount of important new information, and in Brixton, that
was the first time that you did your eight or was it nine hours?
We're talking about...
DI: Eight hours actual talking, yeah.
BR: That was a pretty big rollout, and you told me the other day that
you were blown away by the response that you got from those people
whereas 15 years ago, you were playing
to empty chairs. Things have changed, haven't they?
DI: Oh, it's extraordinary. I... I... You know, when I started out, 20
years ago, despite, you know, not just the ridicule, the mass
ridicule, but when I started to go around talking about stuff – of
course, I knew a lot less then now, as we all did – but, it was like
banging your head against the wall, you know. I would put the chairs
out, no one would come, basically, and then I'd talk to empty chairs
and a few people, and then I'd put the chairs back and go home. And
that was it, that was the night.
you thought: no
this is going nowhere. But you know, as we all know, something
drives you on.
Something deep drives you on: “Keep going, keep going”. And you
think, Oh, what's the point? - “Keep going”.
over the last particularly ten years, I mean maybe I started picking
up really about 15 but then ten and then five because the curve is
going like that [motions upward], it's just extraordinary, mate, I
mean all over the world, it doesn't matter what culture you go into –
of course, some are more suppressed and therefore close-minded than
others but – all over the world, it's extraordinary, you know.
I picked up in 1990 about these Truth Vibrations, this awakening,
this... the way this energetic change was gonna
the density that was holding us in servitude and ignorance: it's
you know, you go through the years and you think, you know, It's
all doom and gloom
and all the rest of it, and when you look at the way society is
going, if you watch the television news and read the newspapers, you
would think that this Orwellian global fascist communist – same
thing, different name – dictatorship, this Orwellian global state,
was basically a done deal, because it is moving real, real fast,
if you only come from the five-sense level of this, and you only see,
you know, what the conscious mind can see and perceive, then I can
completely understand why people take that
I completely understand why there are many, you know, researchers
into the five-sense level of the conspiracy who are just going
[motions pulling his hairs out] “There's nothing we can do!”
there is, because this is... This world is not like we think it is.
There are other forces at work. This so-called physical solid reality
is not physical and solid at all, it's fluid. It doesn't seem to be
like that, but it is. And because it's got this fluidity behind the
apparent stiffness and solidity and immovability, it means that this
level of reality can change very, very fast.
when people perceive that – I completely understand
the conscious mind is completely
giving us this
… focus of reality – when we think that the physical world has to
change by changing physical things, then you're looking at time
scales of change that are just enormous – as we perceive time, anyway
– because that's how it is in the so-called solid world.
when you realize that this so-called solid world is actually just a
holographic projection, and the real base reality of this universe is
wave form vibrating information, then the speed that this world can
change suddenly takes on dramatically different proportions. For
instance, if you had a computer screen and you had to change that
computer screen or what was on it, physically, I mean: where do you
bloody start? But
that computer screen is a projection from information on a disk.
“Okay, so I want to change that, okay: disk out, reprogram, press
enter, disk in” - Woooow! Different world.
what's happening now, as part of this whole Truth Vibrations
transformation, is the information construct of this universe is
changing – as it does, it's a cycle and then the ancients talked
about the circular
of time. And this, this for me, Bill – I can only speak, you know,
when I talk like this, from where I'm coming from and what I've
researched; people have to come to their own conclusions of course,
it's only right – but, the ancients talked about the circular nature
is. It's like a cosmic game.
we go through different epochs – what the Indian culture calls Yugas
and other people around the world have different names
for them – where this cycle goes through times of great expansion,
what the ancients called the Golden Age. And it goes through periods
of suppression when things are not like that at all and there's great
challenges, and that's when control systems come in and all the rest
of it, and then there are others that bring this back to where we
started and the whole sequence starts again.
an interactive computer game – in the simplest possible way – in
that we are picking up information from the game, like the computer
picks up information from the disk and puts it on the screen, but we
as with the Internet, posting our unique contribution to this game.
So it's an interactive game: we give and we receive, in it.
it seems very powerfully right to me, going right back to the Truth
Vibrations coming into my life 20 years ago, that awareness of it,
anyway, is that we are moving at this time from a period of
suppression – I don't think anyone needs any convincing of that –
and we're moving into a period of much greater expansion of
consciousness, expansion of awareness, from fear and insecurity.
insecurity is the key to understanding why people want control: if
people want control, or any other entity, whatever we
want to call them, want control over
others, want control over
not the power to express your own life, express your own experience,
but power over others'
experience, which is what we're talking about with the control system
– then that is always, always, always the
manifestation of deep insecurity.
the control system is run by insecure people. And we're moving from
this period now, and we're at this cusp which is why it's all really
bumpy, because we're now in this period where there is a tussle,
symbolically and literally in many ways, between the energetic
construct of this control – suppressed epoch, if you like - and the
cusp going into this other one.
so, we've got a situation where the control system is desperately
trying to hold on to its power which
through this period, and the Truth Vibrations, this energetic
quickening - which delivers to us a whole
new level of information to decode and, therefore, manifest a
different world - they're at this tussle point, this cusp point. And
every minute, and every year as we measure time that passes, this
Truth Vibrations level of awareness is going to be imposing itself as
so I say that the control system is doomed. I'm incredibly
optimistic. It's not a case of [makes a little voice:] It's
doomed, it's doomed, so I'm gonna sit here and do nothing coz it's
doomed. It's not like that. We are an expression
of these energies, and, therefore, we need to tune into them, follow
their guidance, follow their inspiration, whatever, and be a
not just about sitting around and letting it happen. We're making
choices here: are we gonna go with this new flow of massive expansion
and freedom and potential of unimaginable
proportions compared with our reality here, or are we going to try to
hold on to the world that we've lived in up to this point, the
'control and suppression' and 'winners and losers' and “some must have
therefore a lot must lose” and all this stuff. Because that's the
choice we're making, that's the fork in the road.
people who hold on to this energy, this reality, are going to have
some real challenging times – everyone is, of course, because we're
at this epoch of change – but really
challenging times, because they're attaching their awareness, they're
attaching their sense of reality to an energetic construct that is in
its death throes.
if you bring it back, Bill, to the control system that we're exposing
and is manifesting or trying to manifest itself more and more, then that
is an absolute, one-hundred-percent holographic manifestation of this
old-epoch energetic construct. Therefore, it
must fall when
the energetic construct falls. If I take that disk out of the
computer, that picture on the screen that the computer is manifesting
from that information must go black. It must go blank. Because the
information construct which
that is no longer there, and that's where we're going.
like I said, we're in for some challenging times because we're in
this bumpy middle cusp changeover period, the transformation, but my
goodness me, you know, our kids and grandkids are not going to live
most of their lives in a control system as it so
looks like they're going to at this time, and will look like it for a
few years yet. But this whole
a great time to be alive. Very wonderful time to be here, to see
suppression and limitation replaced by expansion and infinite
potential. Wonderful, wonderful time, challenging as it is.
BR: What I love about the way that you explain about that is that it
marries perfectly, some viewers may recognize this, with the
theoretical work of a British physicist called David Bohm, B-O-H-M.
He described exactly what you're referring to as the implicate
reality and the explicate reality.
DI: Yes, right, yeah.
BR: Have you heard of that before?
DI: Yeah, yeah.
BR: And the way to change the explicate reality, which is like what is ex-pressed
in our apparent physicality, is there’s
this implicate reality behind all this. And, of course, high-technology
ETs, advanced spiritual beings, or mischievous spiritual
beings or evil spiritual beings who don't want to know what
they're there, they
mess around with the implicate reality and then the results are like
metaphorical projections on the
on the explicate reality, and this is kind of what you're saying. So
I just wanted to close that loop there, because you're not talking
nonsense here, this is recognized by quantum physicists everywhere.
DI: Well, that's an interesting point, Bill. I mean, maybe I could
explain something that I've got in this new book, Human
Race Get off Your Knees,
which relates to that in terms of how I'm saying this control system
came about, certainly the control system in the time that we can go
back and recognize it.
saying that there was a time when this planet, this reality, was in
the period of what the ancients called the Golden Age – in fact I
think there's a Golden Age yuga in Indian Hindu belief. [Note: This
yuga is called the Satya Yuga.] And that is a time of great expansion
and connection. And so we could not, from the perspective of life
here now, in so-called physical bodies, really perceive the true
dramatic different nature of what that epoch expresses, where you're
in this world, but you're not of it in terms of your point of
experiencing this world but you know
you're experiencing this world. You're not in this world and you
think this world is all you are, you're there [cups his hands around
his face]. You're at the point where you are looking at and
experiencing the world immediately that you are quote
“in” but you've got points of observation, points of
understanding, in the higher realms of consciousness, which can give
you a totally different fix upon this reality.
instance, if you are sitting in a house, and all the windows are shut
– which is basically symbolic of what humans have been in this
period we've been through – then you can think that the world and
everything is in that house. But you open a window, as you pull your
point of observation back not just from within that house but from
much higher levels of perception – because of this connection
between experiencing level and higher levels of consciousness –
suddenly you realize the house is in a street! And you go out on the
street you realize that the street’s in an estate, the estate’s
in a town, the town’s in a county, the county’s in a country –
Hey! I'm … I'm on a planet! And then you look out into the stars...
but all that has always been there, while you've been sitting in the
room with the windows shut, thinking this is all there is [cups his
hands around his face]. So
this, that Golden Age period, where people knew that we were all one
consciousness, I mean, meant that the conflict, the division, the
competition, the I
must win, I must get to the top of the greasy pole,
there is division between us, there is apartness between us, that
doesn't manifest in these periods of expansion and understanding. We
realize we're one unified consciousness, which has different points
of observation, which we give different names to.
BR: To jump sideways: this was beautifully presented in the Avatar movie,
DI: Yes, absolutely right. See I think... I'm not saying what James
Cameron meant or symbolized by that movie, I don't know, I can tell
you what it symbolized to me. And, actually, that's a good point
because it relates to where I'm going with this.
that manifestation of Golden Age expanded reality is, is, within this
Time Loop - which is not really a loop,
we may get to
that as we go along – is information, an expanded level of
information within the construct of this reality, which we decode
through into holographic experience, and it's a very different
holographic experience to the one we've been having and the one we're
having now, because the information construct
is very different to the one we're decoding now.
I am saying in the book is: something happened, in this reality, to
create what I call a Schism.
This Schism was a distortion within the information construct. And
that distortion changed everything. One of the things it did...
Because, I keep coming back to this, I think it's so important: if
we keep thinking physical – and physical is what it seems to be,
physical – then we're gonna lose the plot because it's not like
is a holographic illusory, apparently three-dimensional reality, but
it's not solid: we decode it like that, but it's not actually solid.
It's the information construct, which is decoded through into this,
and so if you take again, not even the analogy, the principle
of holograms, you have got on a holographic print ... information in
you look at a holographic print, it looks pretty much like a
fingerprint – now that's no accident, either – and then they fire the
laser at the holographic wave form, information, and, manifesting
from that, is this apparently three-dimensional holographic figure,
photographed, whatever information is on the print. And so at
the same time,
you have got the information construct, the wave form, and you've got
the manifestation, the holographic manifestation from the wave form,
which is the image, person, box, apple, whatever you photographed.
scientists say: Uh,
how could something exist as wave form and particle form at the same
It's because they DO! When you are looking at a holographic figure, a
holographic illusory three-dimensional figure, the information
construct from which that is manifested doesn't disappear and it [the
holographic figure] just stands there alone: they stand there
together! They're different forms of the same thing. One is the
information, one is the decoded information.
what I'm saying with this, in terms of the sequence that I'm talking
about, is when this information construct in this, what I would ...
let's call it the Golden Age, was distorted, then that distortion had
to manifest through into the decoded holographic world. And one of
the ways that it did so was massive, enormous, catastrophic
geological events. And these are recorded in accounts, ancient
accounts and legends, all over the world. They talk about great
volcanic, earthquake catastrophes, they talk about the Earth turning
over and what have you, and they're consistent all around the world
in the way that they do this and tell these stories.
then you've got people who've researched from a scientific point of
view – geological, biological level – in more modern times, and
they found that these ancient stories are mirrored in the biological
what happened when this distortion in the energetic information
wave form foundation construct happened, it was manifested through
into holographic reality as, well, I mean the Biblical version of it
is the Great Flood but I think there have been many of these things,
not just one, but certainly catastrophic ones. The other thing I'm
saying it did, is that it created Schisms, distortions, in the human
that harmony, that connection, that everything in harmony and
connection with everything else – brilliantly symbolized as you say
by the Blue people in the Avatar
movie – that distortion brought an end to that. It brought an end
to the harmony of the planet itself, the geological [unclear]
catastrophes, but it fractured
human personalities, that harmony became fractured.
then we went into all these different emotional states and …
distortions (again: distortion here - distortion here) that we see: all
the emotional distortions, the fear which is a distortion, and
other low-vibrational emotional states, worry, fear,
anger, hatred, conflict. All this started to manifest.
we're now in the period, I would suggest, where that distortion is
being healed, by these Truth Vibrations, by this energetic change.
Now this is fundamentally important to the control system, because
the control system, in all its forms, is a holographic manifestation
of the distortion!
the distortion's not there, the control system cannot manifest,
because within a harmonious, balanced information construct, things
like control over, hunger, famine, war, hatred, torture, satanist
rituals, pedophilia, all this stuff cannot manifest. These are all
manifestations of the distortion.
as this distortion is healed... and what's happening, Bill, I would
suggest – I keep saying I suggest, I'm not telling people what to
believe, I'm just saying what I feel – people who are waking up and
hadn't I seen it before? They're
the ones who are opening their minds and through that vibrating
faster – because this suppression of vibrational state, the close
mind, the density,
when you open your mind to other possibilities – they're the ones
tuning to the information construct that's coming in, the Truth
Vibrations as I call them.
the ones who are still in the control system and still supportive of
it, they're the ones that are still close-minded and are still, at
this moment, attached to this old dense, low-vibrational epoch of
experience. And so, like I've said earlier, as this distortion is
healed, its manifestation must
Because this information construct is being deleted from the system.
so what we're seeing is not ... and it may sound strange, but if you
follow it through I don't think it is. We are now seeing the control
system at its peak of imposition. It seems to be moving faster and
faster, more Orwellian laws and all the rest of it. More and more
control, they want the microchips in people, they're moving along
that road, that agenda. We're having our children – adults too, but
particularly our children – targeted with electro-chemical
distortions, in terms of the chemical additives to food and drink and
the mobile phone, the microwave, electro-magnetic soup from all this
this is all being thrown at us at this time – I would suggest,
controversially maybe – not for the control system to get more
power, but to defend the power it's already had from these Truth
longer can the old way of controlling people, where people just stay
asleep [makes snoring sounds] ... They don't have to do too much!
They don't have to do too much at this point: they've got control,
they've got control of the resources, they've got control of this,
control of that, and quietly they can just feed off humanity
energetically, resource-wise and everything, have humanity go along,
being their slaves without realizing it - which is the greatest form
of slavery, of course, being a slave and not realizing it.
because of these Truth Vibrations and because they can see down what
we call the timeline, down the Time Loop as we might perceive it,
they could see some of this coming. And so they've focused on this
period to throw everything at us, to try to stop us being affected
fundamentally, profoundly, by this Truth Vibration transformation,
because once we do that, [motions looking out from a restricted
viewpoint], it's game over.
so, for me the amazing synchronicity between this vibrational change
and people waking up, and this bombardment of multilevel,
multidimensional, immensely detailed impositions – mentally,
physically, emotionally – on the human race to suppress us and
control us, these two have synched here because this
will set us free and that
is trying to stop that happening. No chance.
what that will
do is make the transformation more bumpy and more challenging than it
would otherwise be without this seeking
to stop it. Can't stop it. This thinks
it's the irresistible force, the immovable object. It ain't. This is
irresistible force and this is gonna have some real shocks as we move
through the next little while up to 2016, 2017, maybe a little longer
– certainly within my lifetime – as we see this apparently
impregnable, unstoppable control system structure emerging; when we
see that fall – because it's a house of cards.
Because the energetic information construct that's held the house of
cards together, which manifests itself massively as human apathy and
human ignorance – which is fundamental to holding it together –
that's going. And so, the house of cards must fall. Sorry chaps,
the way it is.
BR: So what was the new information that you presented at the Brixton
Academy the other day?
DI: Well there was quite a lot. I was working on that presentation for,
well, months, really, because it was really a new period in my life
and I'm going around the world with it this year: Europe and America
I could just explain how I've put this information – whatever
people make of it – together over the years. It's been very simple
and it's been a constantly recurring theme. It's just repeated
itself as I've moved through levels of understanding.
when I – as we talked about the last time we chatted, Bill – I
talked about what happened to me when I went to the psychic in 1990,
when I felt for about a year that there was this presence around me,
and when I was in a room alone, I wasn't alone. And it got more and
more and eventually… Long story short, I went to see a psychic for
the first time in my life and she started, after two visits, on the
third visit she started to get this stuff, this figure in her head
and she said: I'm
being told to tell you things,
that I was going to go out on a world stage and I was going to reveal
I... you know me: I'm presenting the snooker and the sport at the BBC
at the time. And I was the national spokesman for the Green Party and
all that stuff, but I'm gonna go on a world stage and reveal great
secrets... I mean, you know, what?
But something inside me beyond the conscious level was going: You
are. You are. Go with it! Go with it!
anyway, where I'm going with this is: among these messages that were
given to me in 1990 were: He
will say things and wonder where they came from. They will be our
words. Sometimes we will put knowledge into his mind. Sometimes he
will be led to knowledge.
And another one was, a little bit later: Arduous
seeking is not necessary. It was all organized a long time ago -
words to that effect. All
he has to do is follow the clues.
as you know, there's a famous advert in Britain that's been going
around for a few years now, and the punch line is: It
does exactly what it says on the tin.
Well, all I can say about they,
whoever they are
at some level of disembodied consciousness, is that they have done
exactly what they said on the tin.
what's happened over the years is that – right from the start,
really – is that I've had an insight out of nowhere that
something's like it is. And then the five-sense information starts
coming. Like, I'll meet someone who brings up this subject and I pick
up information about it. I'll see a book suddenly about this
information. I'll have an experience which is about this information.
I'll come across documents. I might see something on the Internet
about this information.
it's not like it's
a week, a month, two months, three months. This is a concentrated
sequence. And I've learned over the years that... to follow this and
to recognize it, which is not difficult because it gets more powerful
and the sequence gets smaller.
the reptilian thing started coming out like that. I started to get
insights in the fact that, not necessarily reptilian, but that there
was a non-human element to this. And at that point I traveled America
for place-to-place talking for about fifteen days and met twelve
separate people who told me about reptilian entities and their
experiences with them. And that's how it works, and then it goes on.
So, coming around to this new information, it was the same sequence.
started writing this book from the early part... maybe about March,
2009, although a great chunk was stopped when I was traveling. And, I
don't know, a month, two months into it, I sat down to start writing
that day and the energy in the room changed. And I thought: I
know this, I recognize this.
The energy in the room changed. There was a vibrational change. You
could feel it. The atmosphere changed – a simple way of putting it
what I then got as this was happening is, the basic first theme was:
the Moon is not real.
Of course, there's more to know about that as came, but the
Moon is not real, the Moon is not what you think it is.
And I'm thinking... the Moon is not what you think it is. Now, I've
had one or two inklings about that over the years. A little thought,
you know, in the moment. But then it's gone. It never got anywhere.
so, I thought: the
Moon's not real.
So, I put a few key words into NetFind, not expecting to find a
bloody thing. And within a minute, two minutes, I don't know, even
less, I suppose, with the speed of Google and stuff, out came a book
built the Moon?
by two researchers who've written other books. Who
built the Moon?
I mean, you know, what a wonderful title for what I've just got here: the
I read it. I sent for it and I read it immediately. And, I'm not
saying every last thing in the book, or every last thing in any book,
is 100 percent. I mean, crikey, we're trying to uncover great
mysteries and not least mysteries that don't want to be uncovered or
at least people who don't want us to uncover them. So, you know, I'm
not saying every last word in every book is 100 percent; of course
it's not. It's not the way things are. But I was really, really
impressed with the way they had shown the anomalies, the very
strange, unexplainable anomalies about how... well first of all,
about how the Moon was created.
I started reading about the scientific explanations... And, that's
another thing, you know. So many scientific theories, by repetition
is how it was, scientific fact.
And then you go: Hold
on a second. Scientific fact? Let's go back here … Hey! It's a
I came across the Big
about how the Moon was created. And, it's that a Mars-type planet hit
the Earth, a great chunk came off the Earth and became the Moon. And
then I read, as I followed this through, that because the physics and
stuff – the science of that – didn't pan out, then they kind of
altered it a bit so that the planet hit the Earth and then came back
and had another go.
I thought, Well
that's bloody desperate, that.
I'll give you one. Do you want another one?
Okay, here you go. Here's the Moon now. [You]
see what you caused?
the fact that the Moon is far bigger than it really should be as a
satellite of the Earth, that its positioning and its geometry,
geometric and mathematical relationship, between the Earth and the
Sun particularly is very, very impressive and “what?”. And the
fact that there is evidence that the Moon is hollow – to a large
extent hollow. I think it's in compartments.
then I came across – which many people might have come across in
the past, this is all very concertinaed – the two scientists from
the Russian, Soviet Academy of Sciences, who wrote an article in, I
in the 1970s, posturing that the Moon was a construct, a hollow...
not a total construct, necessarily, but a hollowed-out planetoid.
Again: hollowed out. And that a very advanced extraterrestrial
non-human, whatever you want to call it, life
technologically advanced, had created this construct.
they go into detail about how they think it's constructed. And when
you follow the way they say it's constructed, it starts to answer
anomalies that science goes: What? As
one scientist said, the only thing you can really say about the Moon
is its observational error; it shouldn't be there in the way that it
of the things the scientists said, for instance, is that on the
outside of the Moon for about three miles or so, is an initial buffer
zone, if you like, to protect it from being smacked by space debris
then they say – I'm not saying this is absolutely 100 [percent]
true, but I think the themes are probably absolutely right – then
there's like a twenty mile, they said, impregnable barrier. And then
you've got the craters on the Moon which, despite their different
sizes and obviously, power of impact, they've got a pretty universal
depth, which people have said: How
can that be, when you've got different?...
So, something's going so far and then no further.
all this came together and I put loads of other... there's a lot of
detail in the book, and then I rang the oracle, didn't I? So, I rang
Credo Mutwa, the Zulu Shaman, the official historian for the Zulu
Nation. And... I found that if you take the symbolism of Zulu
legends, I found them to be extraordinarily accurate over the years.
one of the things that makes me smile is: these mainstream
anthropologists and historians and what have you, they so often take
symbolic stories that the ancients tell and they decode them literally
they're left-brain people – that's all they can do, they can't just
spin the thing through the process of seeing it symbolic. Because we
are at a time when we... it's so much easier to communicate what
we're trying to say, because more and more and more, technology is
mirroring the very reality that we are experiencing.
instance, this virtual-reality universe is a vibrating information
construct and we decode that information through the electrical, into
the holographic, to create this reality. I've just described the
Internet, you see. If the wireless Internet is in this room, then
your computer over there can pull this worldwide collective reality
out of the unseen ether. Well, that's what we're doing in a much more
sophisticated way. This is why the information construct is so
fundamental to the holographic reality that we experience.
what the ancients had was none of this stuff! These seers and
carriers of the knowledge, to try to get across what they were trying
to say about reality and life, they had to use the symbolism that was
available to them, and the symbolism that their audience, the people
of that time, could understand.
of which is a prerequisite to this. I called Credo. I told him
nothing about my thoughts on the Moon and how... what stuff I'd kind
of linked together up to that point.
said one simple sentence:
Credo, can you tell me any Zulu legends about the Moon?
Oh yes, Mr. David – he
We call the Moon an egg. We say the Moon is an egg.
course, an anthropologist who wasn't aware of this stuff would go: The
people. Primitive. Primitive.
They'd never pass an exam, you know.
did they symbolize an egg? Because they say the Moon was hollowed
out, was hollowed out by two brothers, reptilian brothers, called
Umpanku and Rwani. And they were known as the Water Brothers in the
Zulu legends. And, they say that they hollowed out the Moon and
rolled it across the sky hundreds of generations ago. And when they
brought it to the Earth, it created great geological catastrophe.
of course, when the Moon came in, one of the things it would do is
make the Earth move. And then you've got this ancient theme of the
Earth turning over. It would... basically, what it would do is
destroy whatever was there before and then they can build, as
everything settles down, those within the Moon can build their own
new society. I'm absolutely certain that's what happened.
interestingly, of course, Bill, as you will well know, Umpanku and
Rwani, who in Zulu legends had scaly skin like a fish, were two
brothers that were called the Water Brothers. This is the legends of
Zulu South Africa. Take that to Sumer, Babylon and the Sumerian
tablets and you come into the Anunnaki who were led by Enki and
Enlil. And certainly Enki was very much symbolized and associated
with water. They were... again: they were brothers.
again, it mirrors that whole story, and so many stories about
brothers. Things like Cain and Abel and all these brother stories. I
think you bring them back; they have an original theme coming back
from these, what I would say, reptilian entities. And the Zulu
legends say that Rwani and Umpanku were reptilian, were... they're
called there the Chitauri, the children of the serpent, children of
the python. They stole the Moon from what they call the Great Fire
Dragon and brought it to the Earth.
the Moon brought catastrophe, changed everything. Of course, it
affected the angle and spin of the Earth – the whole bloody thing.
It affects water. It has tremendous impacts on the human hormonal
system which locks into the endocrine system, which locks into the
pineal and pituitary gland of the third eye – seeing beyond five-sense
sight, and being aware of levels beyond five senses. It has a
fundamental impact. Never mind other things that I'm saying is coming
out of that Moon. Being there, that size, that place has fundamental
effects on the Moon.
going back to what I was talking about earlier, I'm saying that when
that Moon arrived, in association with other things that happened at
the same time – because there's a whole story to tell about Mars
and what happened to that in this story – that that...
You see, we look at the Moon like everything else and we see a solid
Moon. That's the holographic decoded level of it. Its prime
is an informational
Like everything in the wave form-base informational construct of this
as the Moon came in “physically”... it only came in physically in
the holographic play-out reality, what we call five-sense reality –
I call it, anyway, keep it simple. It was actually information moving
in through the informational wave form construct and that caused the
distortion, which is manifest on this planet of all the things we've
talked about before. And that distortion has manifested itself in the
manifested itself in fractured human personalities, in disharmony,
and in a desperately limited sense of self and the world. Because
when you are in harmony and in balance, you can access higher levels
of consciousness. But when your energy field is doing this: [motions
agitation and babbling] all that stuff, with all the things –
worry, fear, [babbling] – then, you're not in that state.
what you can tune into, and what you can bring down in terms of
understanding, awareness, insight, even manifestation, is
fundamentally limited to the harmonic, harmonious state of awareness
that we were in before – humans were in before – the distortion.
like I say, these Truth Vibrations are healing the distortion. And
the manifestation of the distortion is now throwing everything at us
to try to hold on to what is something that is being energetically
deleted from the disk, which is why the world is going to change
dramatically, and after this cusp is got through, dramatically for
the better, dramatically for the better.
BR: Now, where does this lead back to
the significance of the Moon being not what it appears to be?
I think that when the Moon came in, as I mentioned earlier, it was in
association with lots of other things. You know, when the ancients
talked about a war of the gods in the heavens, I don't think they
were talking symbolically at all. What the symbolism is, we can
debate, but... that people pick up from that. But I think there is a
very good chance that it was actually literal. It was a battle
between what we perceive to... what they perceived to be gods.
I think the destruction of Mars, which I think was an occupied planet far
recently than people think, and the fact that there is this theme –
not just with people like Immanuel Velikovsky, who's famous for it,
but also again in the Zulu legends: exactly the same – that there
was a planet between Mars and Jupiter, and it was destroyed. And it
was destroyed by some kind of high-tech weaponry.
you look in Star
you know... Star... You know, George Lucas, Bill, is such a massive
insider. He ain't talking from bloody imagination. And this stuff
a galaxy far, far away... Excuse me, this
Thank you, George. And, you know, he has the theme there of a planet
being destroyed and he has the theme of the Death Star. What is the
Death Star? It looks like the Moon! And it's a construct. And it's a
construct that's used to try to take over planets.
think there are many of these things, and I think that what the
language of life and all this stuff I talked about earlier, the way
this information is put before me, what it's saying to me – I would
suggest, anyway – is that there is a modus
whereby they bring these Moons in.
they bring the Moons in, they have a fundamental effect on the planet
as it is and therefore they basically, as they did here, have a blank
sheet of paper. It's over; that civilization: over.
And then as things settle down, they start genetic manipulation and
other manipulation, and they take over the society, take over the
one thing to mention is that these Moons are dependent upon the
target planet for resources, for slave labor to create the resources
and all the rest of it. So although there seems to be this dynamic
that the Moon is in control of the planet, actually the Moon is
completely dependent upon the planet for all that it needs.
one of the common themes through the ancient accounts, through the
Zulu legends and through people that I've met in the modern world
over the years, is that these reptilian entities – who I say were
within the Moon, not only there, mind, within the Earth and also in
other areas of this solar system, but – they are terrified of
compared with the human population, there's not that many of them.
That's why... one of the reasons they want to cull the human
population – which is a recurring theme in conspiracy research –
is because they can't deal with the numbers.
also they're completely dependent on this planet for resources and...
BR: It's a parasitic relationship you're describing.
DI: Oh, that's what I've said in the book. And this is interesting,
Bill, because I talk about something in the book which I call the Moon
And this Moon Matrix is a collective mind which is broadcast from the
Moon. And basically it is the collective mind of these reptilian
entities. So what they've actually done –
what I mean in a second in more detail – but in theme, given you
bring up that point about parasites, is that in so many ways,
humanity has become a collective expression of that mentality.
if you look at society... and I have talked about this whole subject
in the book, funny enough, you have a parasitical group who literally
go around parasiting off other planets, other groups of people,
populations, planetary populations. And they have transferred that
into the human society.
at it, Bill! The
society is awash with people parasiting off other people. Using
their efforts, using their talents to make rewards for them to which
they've contributed nothing. Look at the banking system! It's the
greatest parasitical network you could ever come across! You look at
governments parasiting off the population. Look at transnational
corporations parasiting off the population. And then you bring it
down into the general population and you've got parasites.
mean, I've had parasites in my life. One guy tried to take over
control of all my books and I had to spend a fortune going to court
to stop him. He hadn't contributed a word,
or a fact! People like Jordan Maxwell's had parasites in his life.
One in particular, who tried to take over his work, his life's work
and make money out of it. So many people! You see parasites
everywhere. Why? And then you come down into the body of a parasite,
and the body is multilevel.
I would suggest that the reptilian mentality has been transferred to
the human collective mind in a way I'll come to, through what I call
the Moon Matrix. It depends how powerfully tuned you are to this Moon
Matrix, this collective mind, as to how you are affected by it. The
more powerfully tuned to it, the more your behavior and perceptions
will be mirrors of this hive-mind mentality.
the more you expand your awareness and therefore your vibrational
state out of this Moon Matrix frequency – which is being broadcast
from the Moon, I would suggest – the less you're affected by it.
very quickly, we come back to this period we're in. They are
desperate to stop people awakening out of the influence of the Moon
Matrix, therefore out of the herd mentality, the hive-mind. And once
you start to withdraw from it, its influence over you diminishes,
eventually disappears, and suddenly you can see things you couldn't
one of the… as I mentioned earlier, the prime base state of these
reptilian entities, because they desire control over, is desperate
insecurity. Fear of losing their… their ability to survive
because the target population see what's going on. And therefore
that's the mentality that they are based upon. This collective mind,
which is connected into the collective human mind, this hive-mind,
manifests, projects, communicates that into the population.
what are you looking at? You're looking at a human population that's
invariably anxious, frightened of not surviving. And not just
physically, but through financially, through: Will
my partner leave me? Will I lose my job? Will my belief system
survive from this new information? It's
all survival, survival.
where does that come from? You talk to brain experts, brains
anatomists, etc., etc.,
and they'll tell you: it comes from the reptilian brain. It comes
from the reptilian brain, what they call, some of them call, the
R-complex. I've been writing about the reptilian brain for years, for
obvious bloody reasons.
what I'm saying in the book – and again people just have to feel
this – is that this genetic manipulation that the ancients talked
about, that you find over and over and over again – you see it in
the Bible: the sons of God interbred with the daughters of man and
all that stuff, but that's just one expression, it's all over the
place – I'm saying that this was the sequence, the basic theme
sequence: Moon comes in, changes everything: end of society as it was
before, massive geological, biological everything bloody catastrophe,
fractured human personalities for those that even bloody survived.
then things settled down, and now the genetic manipulation starts.
And suddenly societies start springing up in Sumer, Egypt, Indus
Valley, South America, West Africa, China. Ones that were ahead of
the rest of them. I say it's the influence of these entities. And, of
course, then you've got the stories of the Anunnaki in Sumer. You've
got the stories of the Chitauri in South Ameri... in South Africa in
the Zulu legends.
what I'm saying is that there was a genetic manipulation of the human
species. I'm not saying we did not have any reptilian brain before
then. I'm saying that it was nothing like it is. And I say that the
reptilian brain acts, if you take the computer analogy – the
biological body computer analogy that I've been using for years,
where it's a biological computer that picks up this information and
turns it into this reality
it's biological, it has the ability to think for itself to a certain
level – if you take that analogy: this
microchip, this reptilian brain, and this microchip is connected to
the Moon Matrix.
if we live our lives through the character traits of the reptilian
brain... which is basically fear of not surviving in all its
expressions, and also reaction.
Reptilian brain don't think; it reacts! And that's a good thing in
some ways. If you're driving along the road and someone walks in
front of your car [sudden
clasp of hands]: Thank
you, reptilian brain.
You know, you're not going through the neocortex: Oh,
crossing the road. What shall I do? Shall I stop? Shall I swerve? No.
once you get that reaction mechanism manifesting and influencing and
dictating... In so many people it does – my goodness – all of us,
from time to time if not more than time to time, in the general run
of life, in decisions and interactions. Then you've got a society
that is actually a manifestation of the reptilian brain.
in the book I go into a lot of detail about the traits of the
reptilian brain and then compare them with the traits of human
society, and they're incredibly mirrors of each other, in so many
so what you've got, eventually, was: society is ended – that was
there before – by the arrival of the Moon, things settle down,
genetic manipulation starts tuning the human species into the Moon
Matrix – the Moon transmissions – which, obviously, started with
a very small population. I'd say it came out of Africa, that seems to
be what anthropologists agree with as well, this species, and it
manifested eventually as the human species as we know it today.
when I saw a movie... I think it was made in the 1980s, I saw it in
the 1990s... called They
it was - not just produced, I think he did everything, he wrote the
music, every bloody thing: John Carpenter, who has worked with
Georges Lucas on Stars
special effects and stuff.
I first saw this movie, They
– and by the way if
you go on YouTube, and put “They Live John Carpenter” in, you can
still see it in sections, I do recommend it – I could see at the
time, Bill, that it very much was a statement about how, was, I was
the world as the years passed.
my goodness me, from the perspective of sitting here, it is absolutely
spot-on. If this guy... well, of course, John Carpenter claims that
it's nothing like that, it was just a story – now c'mon, John,
please..., please, please, come on..., don't insult our intelligence.
for people who haven't come across it, this was it: started off with
a massive economic depression, in America it was set, and it was in
the future from the 1980s when it came out but that
now, [there] was a major economic depression, and there were people
living – huh, excuse me? - in tent cities and corrugated-iron
groups of cobbled-together places-to-sleep-on wasteland – happening
across America now – and the main character was coming through, at
the start of the movie. And he's looking for a job in the building
industry, and there aren't any, but he manages to get one.
the end of the day, a big black guy says to him on the building site: Do
and he says: No,
So, they go back (long story short) to this makeshift village, on a
piece of wasteland – tents and corrugated iron, kind of
put-together buildings – and they manage to somehow rig up a
television set, not a very good one, in this little village. And
they're watching it, just after he arrives.
suddenly, the program is broken up [claps his hands together] and in
kicks in this man, just saying: They're
(words to this effect, can't remember every word) They're
here! We don't realize it, they're here! They're here! They're
controlling us, they're controlling us!
the guy that –
him the builder, the fellow [who had] arrived and was introduced to
this village – he started to get very curious about a church across
the road, because of the activity. Some people from here were going
in there, and it was... strange. Anyway, he goes in and he has a
look. And he realizes that the church music coming out during this
church service, when he creeps around, is actually a bloody tape
it's an undercover operation, by these people, to resist the control
not only was there an economic depression, there was a police state
hey! It's now,
that's where it's... was located. So, anyway, that night there is a
police state raid: there's helicopters, police, guns, and the
bulldozers come in and they raze the village. Next day (some of them
are arrested and he gets away) he comes back to the church, next
morning. And I think, as I remember, he'd noticed that there was some
boxes and cardboard boxes when he first went, and he went back and he
got hold of one.
out, there's no one there at
the time, he ran
out down into the… to this passageway between these big buildings,
back passageway, and he opens the box. And... this, just bloody
sunglasses! And, of course, he's taken aback and disappointed that
there are only sunglasses. So, he gets one, puts
his pocket, throws the box away, walks out. And he walks out into the
main street and he puts the glasses on. Now the world's completely
he's seeing, not an advert for Coca-Cola, he's seeing STAY
on that ad board; not an advert for a holiday location, but DON'T
QUESTION AUTHORITY, OBEY
– he can see them through the glasses. Then he goes to this news
stand, and he's looking through these magazines, like Newsweek,
that kind of thing, with his naked eyes, and there's text and there's
pictures like there normally are! Puts the glasses on, all
ASLEEP, OBEY AUTHORITY,
all this stuff.
a guy comes to buy a paper, and he looks at him: he looks human. Puts
the glasses on: guy is not human anymore. So he starts going round,
and he starts to realize, not everyone and
nothing like the majority, but a significant number of people, when
he's got the glasses on – which are decoding reality in a different
way – are actually not human! But through the naked eye, he keeps
doing this [motions pulling down the glasses] they're human!
he realizes what's going on. He looks at the television, the
president is making a speech: he's not human; members of the police
force: are not human; goes into a bank and a number of them: are not
human. And so it goes on.
bringing that round to the conclusion, how the movie ends up is they
realize that the reason the humanity cannot see what
he can see with his glasses, is
because at the top of the television tower, there's a massive dish
that's broadcasting a transmission, which is blocking – I would use
the word “fire-walling off”, just like the Chinese authorities
fire-wall off the computer system and the Internet access system in
China so that Chinese people can't access great chunks of the
Internet, the rest of us can –
signal from this dish at the top of the television tower was
fire-walling off the population's ability to see what he could see
with his glasses.
I'm saying in the book is if you take that dish on the television
tower, symbolically in the movie, and you put it on the Moon, then
you pretty much got the theme of what I'm talking about. And, of
course, there's a lot more detail to know, but I'm... in terms of the
theme. And just going on from that, you know, because information is
coming to me so fast at the moment in this way I described earlier,
and I'm convinced that this Moon Matrix operates within a bigger
control matrix, which... and I think the planet Saturn is massively
involved in that.
think there's so much more to know about the Moons of Saturn and why
it has so many, and also why Georges Lucas – quite demonstrably,
when you see the two put together – based the Death Star on Mimas,
one of the Moons of Saturn. And, of course, as you well know, Bill,
insiders have talked about enormous
ships of incomprehensible (from our perspective) sizes, going in and
out of Saturn.
BR: Norman Bergrun, The
Ring Makers of Saturn.
DI: Yeah. And I think at a Barcelona Conference, more recently, people
have talked about that as well and...
BR: Bob Dean.
the thing is that, I think there's a big switch that we need to
understand. And that is that because we, on this planet Earth, live
on the... well, at least in the holographic illusory reality...
[laughs] Where do
we live, really, within what we call time and space? But, from our
perception, anyway, we live on the outside of the planet. Is that
necessarily how all planets work? I feel that at least large numbers
of planets operate by the population living within
the planet, and not actually on the outside.
coming back to... And that's why I think we've missed a lot because
you look at the outside and you say: It's
Well maybe it is on the outside but what's on the inside? But
coming back to... you mentioned earlier about Avatar.
I think... Like I said, I don't know what Cameron was symbolizing but
it blatantly symbolizes this to me: if you take the Blue people with
the lion noses – and I think the lion symbolism is very, very
powerful because I think that... I use that as a symbol of the real
human as opposed to the suppressed human that we've become – then,
you take the Blue people with the lion noses, you take them to be
Humanity before the Schism, before the predators arrived: in harmony,
total connection with everything.
then you take the American military, with their high technology,
coming into that Moon, Pandora they
called it, and
taking over, taking the resources, just, having no
comprehension for the connection of everything, just destroy
take that American military in Avatar
to be these reptilian predators, and I think you're bloody close in
theme to what actually happened.
BR: It'd be a very interesting theme, it occurred to me, for a
movie, where the humans who you have described metaphorically as the
BR: ...come back in to infiltrate the Na'vi, the Blue people, with
avatars that are not benevolent ones, like the ones that we saw in
the movie played by Sigourney Weaver and the others, but actually as
infiltrators. Because then here we have the reptilians walking in and
controlling these... strategically and militarily controlling these
positions on a political and economic battlefield here. By proxy, I
DI: Yeah, well that's a very interesting thing about the Avatar
movie is that it had that dimension which I've been writing about for
bloody a decade or more now, about the fact that what we call the
Illuminati bloodlines are hybrids. They're human-reptilian hybrids,
that were specifically bred by these reptilians.
they're not just just
in the Moon but it's a major part of their control system, I'm
absolutely convinced of. They bred particular bloodlines that had a
much more powerful genetic connection to them. Now again: I'm talking
genetic connection what we call genetics. That's play-out
holographic, that's what genetics is in our perception.
see genetics. What the genetics really is, is
a computer program, it is an information construct, within the
wave form metaphysical level – what I call in the book the
metaphysical universe, that's what I describe the wave form
construct, information construct as: the metaphysical universe, as
opposed to the play-out holographic universe. And so, because there
is this genetic – here – connection [defines a space in front of
him], what it is actually is here [motions a plane behind] is a
vibrational information connection.
means that these particular bloodlines, which we call the Illuminati
bloodlines, the interbreeding bloodlines at the top of the banking
system and the political system and the military and all the rest of
it, the media ownership, they... this vibrational compatibility means
that these reptilian entities who operate just outside of human
sight, or at least can project themselves in a way that we can't
decode them, they can possess the mental and emotional faculties of
these – and therefore behavior and actions – of these hybrid
bloodlines in a way that is much less powerful within the general
so when we look at the Rothschilds, when we look at the Kissingers,
the Rockefellers, and all these other major global
business-banking-political families, we are actually looking at the
middlemen and -women, vibrationally, between the reptilians outside
of human sight and the human society.
when you... take this analogy: you know when a scientist wants to
work with something which is dangerous to work with, what he'll do
is... You see them from time to time: they have a big tank. The
dangerous material is in the tank, [the] scientist is on the outside
of the tank – think vibrational field: this reality, their reality,
overwhelmingly. They can come in and out but they can't stay here for
that long, it seems to be a problem. And what will the scientists do
in the laboratories; they put these big gloves on. So that although
of this reality, they can work in it. These
Illuminati bloodlines are in effect those gloves. They are the
vehicle that allows them to infiltrate human society within our
frequency range of perception, from their frequency range of
perception. And, like I say, they can
come into this reality – I'm sure there are some that are
within our reality, [who] can stay here, quite possibly – but the
major ones, the major controlling force can come in, but it can't
stay for that long.
I think there's a lot of symbolism in this, with the stories of
vampires and Dracula, who... they can't come out, you know, when the
sun comes out they have to disappear and all the rest of it, and stay
out of the sunlight. There's a lot of symbolism in there of that.
the whole foundation of vampires, the vampire stories, comes from
these reptilian entities, I would suggest for this reason: they can
come into our reality which is vibrationally not totally compatible
with them, therefore they can't stay too long before they get
dismantled, vibrationally, badly
affected, but one way they can stay longer is by drinking human
human blood, again if you take it from the holographic – which we
see is red stuff going through veins – you bring it into this
metaphysical-universe level, it's again: information. It's a
vibrational state. And by consuming human blood, it carries the human
genetic code, therefore – metaphysical universe – vibrational
code, and it allows them to stay in this reality for longer.
so this is one reason, there will be others but this is one reason
why where you follow these bloodlines through etc.
you eventually hit things like pedophilia and you hit satanism, human
sacrifice. Human sacrifice to whom? The gods! The reptilian gods who
feed off that energy of terror and fear etc.,
which a satanic human sacrifice systematically builds up in the way
thing is that within… visible light, within our frequency range,
whatever you want to call it – electromagnetic spectrum, when these
entities are within that reality, they eat humans like we eat cattle,
sheep and animals. And this is again a theme going right back in the
ancient world, of the reptilians eating humans, sacrifices to the
gods, and all the rest of it. But when they're outside of this
reality, in their own vibrational reality, they are feeding off our
energy, they're “vampiring” off our energetic state.
if I'm gonna vampire an energy source, that energy source must be
within the frequency range that I can connect with. If it's radio 1
and I'm radio 2, I ain't gonna vampire that, I have to make that
connection. And so what they've done is structure society to keep
humanity – this is not the only reason they've done this, they've
done it to keep us in the Moon Matrix frequency range, which operates
for the same reason within this same frequency range I'm talking
about – they have structured society to generate maximum fear,
maximum stress, maximum frustration, maximum anger, maximum conflict.
that low-vibrational energy, and wars
like World Wars and stuff like that, 9/11s, they generate enormous
amounts of human low-vibration emotional energy. They feed
off this stuff, and then that power, that sustenance is then recycled
back in the control system.
the reason that when I've investigated almost any, not everyone, but
almost any of these major Illuminati names, it's led eventually to
satanism and invariably it's led to pedophilia... Why?
again, this energetic vampiring. What these pedophiles are, indeed
what these elite
pedophiles are – like father George Bush and people... I've been
for years, and Ted Heath, the former Prime Minister of Britain, and
endless bloody others... Appear on CNN and BBC News every day by the
way, we're going to have some real
shocks when these names come out and they're going to – the reason
is, that they are possessed entities. And in the general population,
where people do not have famous names but are pedophiles, same
got the human level, the hybrid, and they're having sex with a child
– invariably, it's anal sex, even if it's a girl. Again a common
theme. And what is that doing? They're connecting with the child in
the area of the base chakra, the base vortex point of the human
energy field. While having sex with the child, the possessing entity
– just outside of human sight – is drawing that energy out from
the child. And there is something for these reptilians about energy
before puberty, a child's energy before puberty.
as we all know, when you reach puberty there is a dramatic chemical
change that takes place. From their point of view, this has an effect
on the energy field of the child that they'd rather not have, it's
not as pure from their point of view. And when you have this ancient
theme, Bill, of sacrifices to the gods, of young virgins... Young
virgins is just code
for children! They were sacrificing children! And because of this
so, there is a very clear explanation, once you take this picture on,
why so many of the elite people in the banking system, politics, and
all these other elite institutions, are both satanists and pedophiles
or one of the other – usually kind of both if you go deep enough
they are feeding off human energy, particularly feeding off the
child's energy. And I read a passage in one of the Carlos Castaneda
books – after I'd understood all this – where he's quoting his
shaman source. Carlos Castaneda books were in the sixties and that
kind of period, when he was writing about the teachings of someone
called Don Juan Matus, this Central American shaman.
people say Don Juan didn't exist. I'll tell you what: if he didn't
exist, well, you know, Castaneda was a bloody genius then because
what he put in his mouth was unbelievably accurate.
And... Don Juan Matus talked about the predators. The predators who
came from the distance of the cosmos to take over humanity. And he
talks about how they took over the mind
of humanity ... direct quote: They
gave us their mind.
say that's how they did it [pointing his finger to the Moon]. That's
how they've done it, that's how they're doing it. And he also talked
about the fact that these predators targeted the pure energy field of
children, and they fed off it so that if you saw the child in its
full energetic magnificence, it was a bright shining vibrating field
of awareness... What he said was, if you saw the child as it entered
adulthood, it would be a tiny, tiny, energy field, with virtually no
luminosity. And as he put it: Just
enough to live... but no more.
this is what they're doing, and all these different facets we've
talked about today, they all
It's a picture. Is there more to know? Are you bloody kidding?! My
God, there's a lot more to know! I'm not saying that I am describing
everything that there is to know, absolutely not. The rabbit hole
what we're beginning to do, is get the structure within which it
works. And once... When you're putting a jigsaw puzzle together – I
find, anyway, not that I've done one for ages but – when you get the
frame of the picture in place, all those bits with the straight
edges, then you start to see much easier where the other pieces go.
And, of course, the more pieces go in, you start to know where this
piece goes because now you've got a much better idea of the picture,
and that's where we're moving now.
my goodness me, have we got some shocks and surprises to come. Well
and over above what I've been already talking about today.
BR: What's gonna happen over the next few years?
DI: Well, I say that we're in the cusp between the old-epoch energy and
the new epoch. And maybe I
explain what I mean by how that works.
I'm saying in the book is that the black holes – which we
apparently have one at the center of this galaxy, I'm seeing more and
more scientific suppositions at least that that's the same with every
galaxy but, we'll see... but, anyway, it fits the picture – that out
of the black holes comes the base resonant frequency of this reality,
but it's not static, it moves through a cycle, as I'll get to.
base frequency elicits from the suns information in the form of
photons, and basically generates what I call the Cosmic wireless
Internet. Just as in this room, if this building has got the wireless
Internet, I'd be able to pull it onto a computer without any wires
going into the wall and no wires into any circuitry, just the
computer would be able to pull a wireless Internet and put a
collective reality which anyone else in the whole world can – well,
parts of China
and other places – can put on that screen in the same way.
I'm saying that wireless Internet, in our reality, is information
encoded in photons coming from the sun. Other things too, I'm not
saying it's everything, but certainly that's the basis of it, I would
say. And we are decoding that information into this reality. For
instance, the energy that the Chinese call Chi, that goes through the
meridian lines, the acupuncture meridian network of the body, is
photon energy. Photon energy goes through the lay line, meridians
line system of the Earth. And it's information,
this universe is information.
it's information decoding information, just as information encoded
into a computer decodes information encoded in the software!
Information can decode information! [It] just depends how it's
programmed... to do, what it's [to] do! Are you a receiver or are you
a transmitter, or are you a decoder or are you an encoder? Okay,
that's what you are: press enter.
so this vibration coming from the black holes, this space vibration –
and there will be more to know but I'm... can’t put the themes here
– as it moves through its cycle of change, before coming back to
the original vibration, it's changing the information coming out of
the suns in the form of photons. It's changing the information
construct. Therefore, we are starting to decode, as it moves through
the cycle, different
And it's this that
creates the epochs, that the Indian culture calls “Yugas”, and
this circular nature of time.
not actually a... it's not actually circular
the sense of... its base construct, which is this information
vibration that I talk about. That vibration is happening in the now,
the now. It doesn't move out of the now,
it just vibrates, it's just... the vibration changes in the now.
as we decode it, and we put this information into sequence etc.,
appear to be moving from past through present to future. But
actually it's information vibrating in the now, it's just that it
changes. And as we decode it our perception is the movement of what
we call time.
because the vibration goes through a cycle, and then comes back to
the original vibration, we manifest what I've called in the past the
Time Loop. An apparent Time Loop where we move through a period of
experience, and then we come round to start again. And these periods
are broken up – because of the vibrational change, therefore the
information elicited in the form of photons, the wireless internet
changing – into epochs.
are very suppressed and very limiting, that's an experience for
consciousness to have, sometimes they're very expansive, these are
the Golden Ages. And we choose, as disembodied awareness, where we
want to experience, which of these epochs we want to experience. And
because we come in and we experience a certain period as we perceive
time, and then leave, then we perceive time as going from past
through present to future, but actually if we kept
within it, it would come back to the start.
of course, it is also being impacted by how those interacting with
this Time Loop computer game are also posting their awareness, their
experience, their information also onto the Internet. Because the
Internet changes as people blog, for instance. So therefore it is an
interactive thing, but I would say, this is the base thing, the base
foundation. And it is simply a cosmic game … So don't take it too
seriously, it's a cosmic game.
we've been through – humanity – and are in a very challenging
period in the cosmic game. But as I have said many times, there's not
an AK47 in someone's hand on another dimension saying: Awareness,
get in, there, now, or I shoot. We
choose to experience this.
through the lens of the physical body, when our expansion of
consciousness is focused, its attention is focused on one reality –
like, we're experiencing this reality now, we think it's physical –
then we're trying to understand why we would make this decision or
even if anyone could be crazy enough to think we made this decision,
of being here now and experiencing this, when the level of our
awareness that made
was beyond this world and beyond that limitation.
the experiencing level is trying to work out what's going on when the
choice was made by a much higher level of awareness. And the more we
expand our consciousness, open our mind, and connect powerfully with
this level, the more we understand why we made the choice. Because we
like in the Matrix
movies where the Oracle says to Neo: You've
not come here to make a choice, you've already made the choice,
you've come here to understand why
you made the choice. And
that's what this experiencing level is being challenged to do. I
would say that overwhelmingly we made the choice to experience this extraordinary
period of transformation from limitation, suppression, control,
violence, and all the rest of it – conflict, and see a totally new,
expansive, peaceful, loving, multi-level connected reality that is
going to follow it.
I think we chose very well, I think it’s a fascinating time. Don’t
let’s take it too seriously, although, you know, there’s a lot of
challenges going on, but the more seriously we take it in the next
few years – and
back to your question about what’s going to happen
– the more challenging it will be. If we hold our sense of reality
purely in the five senses as the vast majority, [the]
overwhelming vast majority have up to this point, through this
period, it’s going to be very, very challenging.
if we go: Hold
on a second, I’m not Jones - I’m not Ethel Jones and Charlie
Smith, I’m not even David Icke! It’s
not... I’m not David Icke – it’s not my name,
in the greater scheme of things, it’s the name from my experience
at this … time.
if we pull our point of observation of this, from I
am infinite consciousness and David Icke - Ethel Smith - Charlie
Jones is my experience,
then coming through this challenging period we’re going into, will
be much easier because we’ll have a totally different perspective
on what’s happening.
won’t be sitting at the computer playing a computer game thinking
are the game. We
will realize that we are playing
the game and
therefore it’s just an experience in the great eternity of who we
are. This completely changes the point from which we observe
challenge, and we observe upsets and we observe things happening that
we’d rather not [have]
you don’t mind.
what I feel, Bill, is we’re now seeing the Truth Vibrations more
and more impact upon themselves, on this reality. Not in governments
and stuff like that yet, because they are... the fact that they are
doing what they are doing, they’re very much more in a dense
mind-dominated situation, therefore they’re connected to the old-epoch
they’re not getting the Truth Vibrations. So that
level of awareness, the control system as we perceive it – the
banking system and the politics, and all the rest of it, the
military, media ownership – they’re going to be trying to push
along this more and more and more control, in the desperation to hold
on to what the power they’ve had.
at the same time, more and more and more people – we’re seeing
goodness we see it all over the world; my goodness me, the speed [at
it’s happening! – more and more people are opening their minds
a lifetime, and they’re connecting with the Truth Vibrations, this
new energetic construct, and there
they're seeing the world and themselves in a completely different
we’re now at this point where the two are, if you like, not
fighting... I hate
the word “fighting”. I hate the word “hate”, come to that...
Can you hate that word - hate? That’s a bit of a... but you know
what I mean. And... but it’s a tussle going on between that which
is awakening and that which is trying to stay
And symbolically it’s like someone standing in a river that’s
getting faster and faster going: I
– the control system – and eventually you’re expending so much
energy just to stand still,
and then you never thought what’s going to happen. If the river
starts... keeps going faster and faster, then it’s going to wash
you away eventually – that’s the control system going.
if we get on the air bed or the canoe, and we go down the white water
ride –which is going to be for a few years – then you know we
can... it can be an adventure, because it’s just an experience:
we are all that is, has been and ever will be – having an
experience. I don’t care if you’re sweeping the streets or you’re
sitting here talking like me, or you’re driving a bus or... I don’t
know, running a bank! It’s experience!
infinite consciousness, infinite possibility. And if we observe
what’s happening now and what’s coming from this perspective,
a whole lot bloody easier, a whole lot smoother. But the time as we
move through... I think 2012 is a ... it’s not a total, ah,
diversion, but I think it is a diversion. It’s a diversion in which
people are focusing on that year, and when you focus on something
like that, the control system can manipulate to pull you in.
they've got some events planned to focus people in: Oh
it’s 2012! Oh... –
that stuff. But it’s significant, 2012, in the sense that it’s
not 2011. Because this vibrational change is getting more and more
powerful, more and more impacting on human perception, and it will be
more impacting in 2011, more
impacting in 2012, but more
impacting in 2013, more
in 2014, and eventually there’s a tipping point.
there’s a tipping point where irresistible force – control
system, thinks it is but isn’t. ... Put it another way [laughs]:
immovable object, control system [laughs] – thinks it is but
isn’t; Irresistible force [motions
a higher plane],
Truth Vibrations – which
And we’re seeing this happen [motions
the two forces tipping].
We’re seeing it happen now, we’re seeing it happen more and more
they're going [to]
point, not tomorrow but not too many years from now either, where
that’s going to happen [motions
And from that point, the dominating, energetic, information,
awareness construct of this reality is going to be the Truth
Vibrations. And that’s going to go off through our children and
by the end of their lives, which will be much longer because of the
energetic change that they’re going to experience compared with
this Schism – which is one of the reasons that human … lives kind
of plummeted... I mean, when they talk in the ancient world about
people living massively long lives: they used to! They’re not
kidding – because the energetic situation they were experiencing
when our children and grandchildren get to the end of their lives,
you and me are going to be looking in, disembodied, from another
level of reality, and we’re gonna go [claps his hands three times]: Job
why we’re here. So... [cheerful, to the camera]: Let’s
get on with it, shall we?!
a beautiful, beautiful summary. [They laugh] At, round about the same
time as we’re releasing this movie, we’re going to be releasing a
conversation that you had with Jordan Maxwell...
DI: Jordan, yeah.
Jordan was presenting a viewpoint that is
valid – I think you and I would agree with that – that there is
actually a military operation going on here, between so-called good
forces and so-called bad forces, and many people are caught in the
crossfire or they’re pawns on the chess board or whatever metaphor
you want to use and whatever role we
might consider ourselves to be is somewhere in that mix.
Jordan, bless him, was focused on that solid reality of this
battlefield and saying: You
know what, we are all going to get full of bullet holes if we don’t
watch out and we’re in deep trouble.
And I wondered if you could speak to that
because there are some people, many people watching this video who
still think, You
know what? We are in trouble because they are really doing this
And I know that you... and
therefore we have to be rescued by forces who are as strong as the
so-called dark side who are trying to manipulate us and control us
for reasons of their own.
spoken to this to some
degree, quite some degree, in this conversation that we’ve been
having now. Could you say a little bit more about this crucial
point about why
is it that
this tipping point could occur without the entire world of seven
billion people picking up arms and rioting in the streets, because
that’s not the answer, is it?
DI: Well, if you think about the energetic construct that we’ve had
through this period, the response to danger, the response to attack
has been: Give
them what they’re giving you.
And we call it war, we call it rioting
and all the rest of it. Where has it got us? Nowhere, what you fight
you become. You know if you think that meeting aggression with more
aggression is gonna take us forward, what do you... if you meet
aggression with aggression what are you gonna get? Twice the
we’ve moved on now, haven’t we, eh, the world’s a better place!
this is why when I see things like riots over economies and stuff
like that – like we’ve seen in Greece and other places, and we’ll
see more, no doubt – it’s such a ... it’s such a confirmation of
ignorance of the way things are, you know, we get pulled into
low-vibrational states by this feeling that we need to FIGHT!
WE MUST FIGHT FOR PEACE! I
love that one...
Let’s pepper bomb Bagdad and bring peace shall we?!
You idiot! You’re
a politician, aren’t you? Yeah, I thought you were, yeah. … It
brings us into low-vibrational states, and it brings us into the very
vibrational stadium on which the control system wants us to be. And
when you think about it, even on the physical level, they’re not
bothered about rioting; in fact it’s a good thing from their point
of view because they can then – problem, reaction, solution –
justify greater impositions of the control system in terms of
violence, and SWAT teams, and armed police and bringing the military
on the streets, you know: Thank
you very much! You’ve just given us what we need to justify this.
they’re not frightened of protests either. You know, in the run-up
to the Iraq war we had – it was estimated – a million people on
the streets of London. What happened? They invaded Iraq! They.. You
I've done my bit protesting.
And then, you know, you can protest and you can feel good about
bloody told them! At least I protested. Let’s go down to the pub
and have a chat about how good it was! And
then what we can do then, is we can, later, we can put the
on and watch them invade the country we've just protested against
them invading – you
they’re terrified of is not violence, it’s not rioting, it’s
not protest in the streets – I'm not saying don't have one, but
they’re not frightened of them. What they’re frightened of is
non-cooperation, because we’ve got to come back to this thing all the
time of numbers.
The number of people who are in full knowledge – in physical
reality as we call it, and in the control system in the non-human
realms – the number of them involved in full awareness of what
they’re doing, compared with the global population of seven
billion, is tiny.
mean, my estimate over the years... I’ve had a few inklings here
and there to kind of push me in this direction, is that these hybrid
bloodlines – and not all of these will be in awareness of who they
are, they might be manipulated to act and think in a certain way but
they’re not aware that that’s
what’s happening; they think they’re making their own decisions,
unpleasant as they may be – it’s about four or five percent of
when you look at that, you know I think I see a way out of this, you
know. You look at China, it’s a wonderful example. China in many
ways, Bill, is a blueprint for the global society, where you’ve got
the serfs and the slaves and then you’ve got the control system and
there’s no freedom, and information is edited, censored on the
internet – all that stuff, we know what China is like. And then
you look at the numbers.
mean, I don’t know was it anything between one point five maybe
over two billion now or more people in China. Massive numbers
whatever they are, incredibly
big numbers. The number of people controlling those vast numbers is tiny!!
We saw a man, we saw a man – wonderful what he did – standing in
front of the tank, tank
famous, famous, picture. Of course, it made a great picture, it made: Oh
isn’t it wonderful?
– and then he probably disappeared and never to be seen again. What
if there was a million people in front of them tanks?!
if we... When large numbers of people are foreclosed because the
banks have caused an economic situation where people lose their jobs
because companies go bust and then the banks who’ve caused the
problem come along and say, You’ve
got to get out of your house because we’re foreclosing on you.
I mean excuse
are we doing leaving our houses when the people throwing us out are
the people that caused the situation that means we can’t pay the
mortgage so that’s why we’re being thrown out?! Look at that
we, as a human race, in the vast numbers that we are, are walking
know, part of this Moon Matrix thing, part of this Moon Matrix
hive-mind, is to... and this is another aspect, I mean, you know, brain
scientists will tell you, this is another aspect of the reptilian
brain behavior system: it’s that it knows
The reptilian brain is very, very hierarchical. I mean you’ve got
the top of the hierarchy – reptilian brain – but you’ve also
got the bottom of the hierarchy – I
know my place.
It’s also reptilian brain, just a different expression of it.
hierarchical structure of top-down power, where the few are at the
top and the rest are at the bottom and holding that up there, that’s
very much reptilian brain and its fear of authority. I was reading an
article, in which someone who was discussing the reptilian brain was
saying that people instinctively, many people, anyway, can
instinctively feel like intimidation when an authority figure of some
kind walks into the room, like the boss or whatever. And they were
saying: it comes from the reptilian brain. And, funny enough, about
that same time, I was reading an article about a famous British
actress who is very, very anti-royal family, doesn’t believe in the
institution at all. And
she was at some reception, and she actually said in this article: I’m
the rest of it,
the Queen came into our group to say hello,
she said, and
I was a blithering, bloody wreck.
You know, like of
it’s the Queen!
And this is the woman who, in another situation, would be absolutely Oh
shouldn’t have a royal institution and
all that stuff. That’s
the reptilian brain kicking in, that’s what I mean.
what it does, it makes vast numbers of people acquiescent to
authority. And when the populations in general are acquiescent or
fearful of challenging authority, then the authority by definition
is: Ah... ok. Control
system in place.
one of the great manifestations of this is, You
mustn’t break the law.
Well, okay, let’s follow this through, shall we? These guys in dark
are making laws which you have no control over. Yeah, okay. So then
they’ve made laws that you have no control over, but you’re
saying it’s the law so you must obey it. Yeah, well ... where do we
go from here then?! I’ll tell you what we’ll do: you put your
hands out and I’ll put the handcuffs on, and then we’ll go down
to the pub – because that’s what you’re saying.
if a law does not respect human freedom, if it does not respect human
justice, if it does not respect basic fairness,
if it’s not about beneficial changes in society but about
imposition so the few can control the many; if it does not respect
freedom and justice, it should not be respected! What
are we doing?
you say to people: Can’t
break the law...
Okay, are we going... Actually we're getting close to this now if you
look at the situation that’s unfolding – I’ve done a whole
chapter in the book called Stealing
What if they changed, they made a law that the state could take your
children away – which is what they actually want, they’re in the
process of doing it – would you obey it? Well,
Oh, so we... Aah, we've found a line here now.
is a Rubicon
then, that you will cross, when the law gets so much of an imposition
that it takes your children away. So all we’ve got to look at is:
are we going to make that line where we resist? NO
the point where – knock on the door – [We]
want your children please, [we’ve]
got the van...
are we gonna move it here, where we’re saying: Anything
that impacts on my basic freedom, and the basic freedom of others;
anything that impacts injustice on my
life and [the]
life of others...
because, if we think other people’s problems are not our problem,
that’s divide and rule and away we go, they’ve got us.
we move that
here and say: No
then the whole dynamic starts to change.
what they’re doing all over the world, not least in Britain, is
they’re quite demonstrably introducing more and more outrageous
laws right across society down into the fine detail of our lives,
whether it’s where we put out our rubbish bins out and when and all
the rest of it. And, if they don’t meet resistance, then they say: No
silly, even more imposition, even more
fine detail of your life. No
ladies and gentlemen, we have got to start very soon – like how
about yesterday – putting a line, collectively coming together,
where we put aside this... these fault
lines – manufactured, divide and rule fault lines – of religion
and race and income bracket and country, and breeding and all this
we come together and unite under what we are all
fundamentally affected by – and that’s the destruction of human
this is not a conspiracy to enslave Jewish people or Islamic people
or middle class Americans, or any of it! South Africans or anything.
It’s a plot to enslave us all. And if we don’t come together,
allow ourselves to be divided and ruled, then, you know, the epoch’s
changing, anyway, but the nature of the change is going to be far more
challenging than, and far more unpleasant than it needs to be if we
come together now, and say: Here
and bloody no further.
when we do that, we produce that resistance, then the movement of
this control system deeper and deeper into our lives must
resisting it! We’re moaning about it! Some people are resisting it,
but we’re moaning about it: Oh
big brother, oh my goodness me, what’s the country coming to? …
What’s on tele[vision]
And that’s it!
the thing is, it’s not
that’s bringing the control system in. It’s “little
allowing it to be brought in! Big Brother is impotent without a mass
perception of little me. … And I’m unanimous in this! [laughs].
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