David Icke - Jordan Maxwell
Ryan (BR): Hi. This is Bill Ryan here from Project Avalon, and what
you’re about to hear is an impromptu, unplanned dinner-table
conversation between David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. It was recorded
on the 18th of May, 2010, and they are regaling each other with
researcher stories of reptilian activity on planet Earth.
important because, as many of you will know, David Icke really was
the first to break this very uncomfortable and challenging research
ground in his book, The
Biggest Secret, but many
other researchers, Jordan Maxwell among them, have learned that this
material seems to be true. They have their own accounts. They have
their own testimony from independent witnesses.
something here that is extremely important to understand, and the
information is alarming. It’s entertaining, of course, for reasons
of its own, but behind the entertainment and the interesting stories
lies an extremely dark agenda that, in my personal belief, it is our
responsibility to look at carefully and to understand as best we can
what may be happening here.
BR: There is an amazing story reported by that group of people.
Maxwell (JM): Oh, in the Valley?
BR: Yes. This is a story worth hearing.
BR: It’s not a long story. It’s just one of these things that’s so
weird it has to be true.
JM: I was doing an interview in Los Angeles on a radio show in Las
Vegas. They had called me
to do a two-hour
interview with them, and in the process I - just in passing -
mentioned the reptilian gods and the reptilian aliens. And after the
program, I got a phone call from a guy who I found out later was a
very wealthy man, who, as I said, owned a company that buys and sells
hotels and big stuff.
And he called and he said: Jordan,
we were listening to you this morning in the office.
And he said: I gotta tell
you something. He said: I
have five men that worked for me in my office. We’re all Christians
and we all go through the same church.
And he said: Once a year, I
take all five families
in my home and we
go on vacation together, always.
And he says: Last
year - and this was like in
’89 when this happened - he said, last
year we all took off to do camping in Colorado.
he said: One morning we
broke camp and we walked up the top of the large hill and looked down
into the valley. And he
said: In the valley there
was a circle that had been cleared away, a round area circle had been
cleared away, and there was a circle of people in robes. And they’re
all holding hands, swaying back and forth like some sort of a chant,
and there was one person in the middle.
And he said: When we were
standing there watching this, we were startled to see people out in
the middle of nowhere.
JM: Out here in the middle of nowhere. They’re doing a ritual, right?
And he said: All of a sudden
there popped in, in the center, another person – popped up – but
much bigger than everybody else.
And he said: When that thing
popped in, it pointed up at us, and all the singing stopped,
everything stopped and everyone turned, pointed up at us.
he said: Well we were up in
the top of the mountain so we’re just going to get out of there.
He said: We turned, and it
was too late. That
thing that was in the circle was behind them.
He said that it was at least seven-and-a-half to eight foot tall.
DI: Yes it’s a classic.
DI: It’s a classic.
JM: Yes, and he said: The thing
was seven-and-a-half to eight foot high, reptile.
And he says: And we were all
paralyzed, couldn’t move, even the children couldn’t move. Nobody
could move. And he said: Then this thing looked at
all of us, and finally it looked at the men.
he said: And when it was
looking at us we knew
what it was thinking. It was basically saying, “I’m going to let
you go this time, but you’d better get out of here, because you’ve
interrupted something.” And he says: And the
thing walked away and the people were watching it and it went
[makes a very short squinting sound]. It was gone.
JM: And he says: Then the
moment it took off, everybody started screaming.
Because now they’ve come back. Now they’ve got their faculties
back. And he said : The
children were screaming, the women were yelling and crying,
and he said, and we ran, all
of us, back to our cars, and drove home and that’s it.
he said: We’re all
Christians in a church, and when we heard you talking about reptile
aliens, I got news for you: we know of at least one that’s on the
earth for real sure, because we saw it, all of us.
DI: Control system.
BR: So that’s the story you’ve heard before that this beast...
DI: Oh yes.
BR: ...you’ve got this kind of, yes.
DI: Yes, and the six,
seven-and-a-half to eight foot is
a constant repetitive description. I’ve never told Bill before.
When I’ve been in America and I’d started picking up these
stories for the first time, I mean, I’ve thought about it before,
but there was nothing tangible, and then suddenly I was traveling
15 days I met twelve different people. They told me the same basic
story about reptile shape-shifting, all that stuff. I come back to
England and there’s a woman down the road in my town, who wanted to
meet me to tell me about a guy called Ted Heath, Prime Minister of
Britain from ’77 to...
BR: Oh really. Ted Heath. Yes yes.
JM: Oh yes.
DI: Satanist. I mean, I had an amazing experience with him and his
eyes, I told you about him.
DI: So she tells me that she was married as a mind-controlled woman.
from Scotland, she was brought up by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry
in Scotland. And her husband was the Warden of a place called Burnham
Beeches is an area of
cops, woodland and
clearings to the west of London near Slough,
about 25 minutes drive from Chequers
which is the Prime Minister’s country home, like Camp David. And
it’s owned by the City of London, the financial district, right.
Because when you go into it, you get the logo of the City of London
all over it, which is two flying reptiles holding the shield of the
DI: Anyway, she tells me this story. She said she was basically a
prisoner, but she said her husband was a Satanist, and that the
warden of Burnham Beeches is
always a Satanist - they have a house in it, in the area, right in
the middle of the woods. And he’s a Satanist because his job is to
set up the rituals at night and certain ritual days. And after dark,
I guess you can creep around on foot, but all the roads are shot.
DI: You can’t get a car in there. So she said: I
was out one night with the dog.
This is some time between ’70 and ’74. She didn’t tell me the
year but it had to be, because he was Prime Minister at the time,
Heath. And, she said she saw some lights, and she walked forward and
crept and looked through the wood and the bushes.
she saw a circle of people in robes, and she recognized that the guy
who was calling the shots was Ted Heath, and as she watched later,
she saw that on one of his sides, I think it was his right hand side,
was a guy called Anthony Barber who was Chancellor of the Exchequer
at the time.
BR: Thony Barber. Yes.
DI: Thony Barber, yes...
DI: ...who did devastating things to the British economy. Anyway,
they’re in this circle, and she said that they’re doing these
chants and rituals, and she told me all this story. And then –
because I knew about Ted Heath from other sources by then, she wasn’t
surprising me with him at all – so then, because I’ve just come
back from America, I had a cup of tea and I was: Okay
I’m leaving now, and I
was just putting my cup of tea down, and she was sitting over there.
I just said to her: You
know, I’m having some very strange experiences at the moment. I
keep meeting people that say they’ve
seen people turn into reptiles. And I turned away,
and all I could hear was [makes
sound of big gasp] and I
turn back and she's: Oh my
God, I thought it was only me.
And she says: I wasn’t
going to tell you this bit.
She said: I thought, you
know, crazy enough what I’ve already told you.
she went on to tell me that while she’s watching this ritual,
suddenly Heath transforms into a reptile figure, grows about two
feet, and she said: Once
he’d done that.... And she said: You
know the thing that staggered me most? No one else in the circle was
in the least bit phased or surprised or reacted to it.
she said: Once he was in
this mode, as the reptile, he started speaking –
and she said – like
the old transatlantic telephone lines, where
you know where there’s gaps and stuff like that.
JM: Oh yes.
DI: And she said that after that, when she was walking, particularly
said at dusk when it’s just starting to get dark...
DI: ... that mid-light dark, she said she would see people, always in
robes, heads covered, and the faces were reptilian. And I went around
there and it’s a horrible place. It’s a horrible place, Burnham
DI: But this is what these people are. People say: You see
everywhere. No no. I see satanists in the upper levels of
society everywhere, is what I say.
JM: [Laughs] Yes.
DI: There is a difference.
DI: The ratio of that to the general population is massive.
DI: Of course it is. So this... Wherever you go in the world, you know,
Credo Mutwa talks about the Chitauri.
They’re seven, eight feet.
DI: It’s constant.
BR: Common theme.
JM: And then there’s the other story, there, about Nancy.
BR: David might not have heard that one. You should tell Nancy’s
DI: Which is this?
BR: This is one that we’ve already recorded but it’s a fantastic
story, fantastic story.
JM: I have a young lady friend who is absolutely ... there’s no words
to describe it. This young lady is a dear friend of mine. She is so
well informed on the reptilian subject, because her father... She
showed me all the family pictures and everything, and her father was
an Air Force officer who was in charge of Project Retrievables, so
that any time UFO activity on the earth anywhere happened...
JM: ...he was in charge to do the investigation. And she says, So
went from base to base, never lived in the same place very long.
And she said... but every time they always had a telephone, but when
that phone rang, it meant that he, the father, had ten minutes from
the time that phone rang, to be dressed, with his briefcase and ready
to go, and the military would drive up in front of the house, knock
on the door, and she said no words were ever spoken. Nothing.
knock on the door, he goes out and gets in the car, they drive off,
and that when they drive off, military would be posted – four, one
on each corner of the house – until he comes back. And if it’s a
week, a month it doesn’t matter: they are there to guard the house
while he’s gone, even on the base. She said and so, she was never
allowed to stay home, even on the base. She was never allowed to stay
home by herself. The father would never allow it.
night the father and mother were going next door a couple doors down
to a party, to visit some of their friends on [the]
base, and she asked her mother to let her stay home, because they’re
not going to be that far, and the father said absolutely not. Well
the mother finally talked the father into allowing it, so he allowed
it. And so they went over to the neighbor’s house, and she said for
the first time in her life she is finally in the house by herself.
she said she was sitting in the bedroom, combing her hair, had a bit
mirror, and behind her was a walk-in closet. And she said while she
was combing her hair, the door slid open, and a reptile stepped out,
but he had to step down to get out from under the header.
DI: Lucky girl.
JM: And stood there – yeah! – and was standing almost touching the
ceiling, like seven and a half foot, eight foot, ceiling. And she
said he looked at her, and she’s looking at him in the mirror, and
she said, I’ve never been
so frightened in my life because it’s a reptile,
and she’s looking at him and he’s looking at her. And then she
said: He started moving but
not with his feet. He started floating ...
JM: ... toward her. And she said: I
got the impression it’s like coming up on a fly.
And she said, I knew he was
getting closer, and she
said she jumped up, stumbled, ran down the hallway, ran into the
bathroom, locked the door, opened up the window and started
screaming. Well, everybody in the neighborhood heard her.
she said, and then this thing – she said – she could feel it
coming down the hallway, because it was very heavy, and it walked
down the hallway behind her, and started growling like an animal, and
clawing at the bathroom door. And she said then when her father and
the other neighbors come running up, this thing heard them, and
walked back down.
said, it just walked back
down the hallway and went back into the bedroom.
And she said when her father came in, she said, they got her out and
there was huge claw marks on the bathroom door. And the father said: This
why I didn’t want
her staying by herself. This is the reason.
then he told them – everybody, he told the family – he says: We’ve
been warned by these
reptile aliens that they’re tired of us sticking our nose into
their business, so they told me, “Just remember, you come out to
put your nose in our business, we’re going to send somebody into
your home”. And he said, That’s why you’ve always
had the military guarding the house even on the base, because these
things are inter-dimensional.
DI: Yes, exactly.
DI: Exactly, exactly.
JM: They can pop in at any time they want.
BR: Not that guards on the corners are going to make any difference if
the thing suddenly materializes in the walk-in closet, you know.
JM: He does have a point. [laughs]
DI: That’s the way they think though, isn’t it?
DI: It’s the way they think. I’m
going to have some guns. That will sort him.
JM: [laughs] Not at all.
BR: But, it makes you wonder how often these things happen and we never
get to hear it.
DI: Oh absolutely. Loads and loads of times. You know, I’ve met a
power-dressing business woman in Vancouver who was still shaking when
she told me the story, and it was years earlier which it happened.
She met this guy. She said he had a dark side but his other side was
said and … she brought him back to the house, and they went into
the bedroom to have sex, right, and The
Biggest Secret, the first
book I ever wrote, bringing this in – 1998 or so, '97 or something
– was on a shelf above the bed, standing on its own.
And he went ape-shit, she said, and, you know, laid in to her
about reading stuff like that.
she said, So much so, I had
to buy your book twice, she
said, because I threw
the bloody thing out after the experience that came,
she said. And then I thought
now, I’ll read this again.
they start having sex, she said, and he’s on top of her and starts
to get really really rough, and she starts to get frightened. And she
says, I’ve got my hand on
the bottom of his back, right the bottom of his back,
she said, and suddenly my
hand was pushed off by something.
And she said: I looked over
my shoulder and it’s sprouted a fricking tail.
DI: The tail had pushed her hand back. She screamed and threw him off
the bed. And he stood there, she said, just for like a split second,
two seconds maybe, in full reptilian form, and then just morphed back
into human and left the house as fast as he could. I’ve heard these
stories so often, you know. Some people think that I’ve sat in a
dark room and thought, Yeah, I know what’s going on, it’s a
DI: It’s just people you meet, isn’t it?
DI: If they tell you of their experiences and then you put the strands
together, you get the picture. It’s hard research. It’s not ...
BR: Is it obvious... ?
DI: ...pulling it out [of]
the ether or
JM: Oh that's why I’ve said this, there’s too much proof out there.
People that... too many stories, too many stories.
BR: That’s why it’s so valuable, your coming out with the stories
that you know, because otherwise everyone thinks that it’s all on
David, because it’s so hard to talk about this stuff without
attracting ridicule, and the more people who talk about this...
BR: ...the more acceptance there will be, because it will be a
phenomenon and not just somebody making up silly stories, you know.
JM: I have a doctor friend, and he has an apartment complex and he said
he put up one of the apartments for rent, and this young man came,
wanted the apartment. So he says, I
was interviewing him, and
he was sitting on the sofa, and he said, I
had some paperwork and I was just kind of interviewing him,
and he says, and I looked
over and now there’s two of them. He has another one just like him.
of them now, and they’re talking to each other, and they’re
identical. And he said, I was shocked: there’s two of
them now, and they’re both talking to each other.
And then they both look at him, and he says:
I said to this kid: What is
this, what is this? -
And he said: Oh I’m sorry,
this is my other self. -
And he's: What are you
talking about, your other self?
And he's: Oh I’m sorry,
Sir, go on.
so the other one just [snaps
disappeared. And he says: I
don’t know what this is all about, but I don’t want you in my
apartment. So I’m
thinking, you know, there’s a lot of ... not only reptilian stuff
DI: Hm-mm, hold on. I’ll make that point. There’s loads of different
BR: Hm-mm, that’s pretty good. Hm-mm.
JM: I would tell you about the time that I was in Hawaii with my wife.
And the two guys... somebody came into the restaurant, I don’t know
who it was, and I had to run. Did I tell you that?
BR: Oh you told, me, yes. You told us that story, and you had this
in your head, basically, that just said run,
run, run, and that’s what
JM: You’re in trouble. Your life is in danger. Run quick. Your life
is in danger. Run quick. And it was involuntary. I didn’t think
to run. They motivated the brain to do it. I just got up and ran.
BR: That’s right.
JM: And I didn’t even think to do it.
JM: And I ran all the way across the street, ran around the Hilton
Hotel, the Hilton Village, and out to the ocean and then, the voice
said, You’re all right
now, you’re okay.
JM: And I sat there and I was... I couldn’t believe what I had just
done. And it’s happened to me twice. It happened to me in Los
Angeles, after that, another time.
BR: And of course, because you avoided the danger, you never knew what
the danger was.
BR: [laughs] You didn’t want to hang around to find out what it was
that you were meant to be avoiding. [laughs]
JM: Because I wasn’t going to hang around to find out. [laughs]
BR: What a wild story.
JM: But... now that I look back on it, it now makes sense that if, as I
have been told so many times, You
have been brought here,
then maybe there is an alien presence here that is my natural
JM: ...and I don't even know it.
JM: But somebody who's with me, here, knows it...
JM: …and when they get to close to me, to close of proximity to me,
I'm not in any way, shape or form, prepared to confront that kind of
dark power. So they just get me out quick.
BR: It's the easiest solution, yes, right.
JM: It's like having an FBI guy in the mob and the mob finds out who he
JM: The FBI has to go in and get him out quick, because these are dead
JM: Every man he's facing down there he's... his life is in danger.
So... it's like, Got to get
you out quick. So
JM: I've got a great picture in color of Bush senior, waving at
and they zoomed in on him waving, and he's got webs.
BR: Webbed palms ?
BR: I've never heard that one before
: Yes, I have the picture, I'll show it to you.
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