Jane Bürgermeister II - an Update :
Whatever Happened to the Swine Flu?
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BURGERMEISTER (JB): I’m just wondering what points you think I
should stress. I mean… Paul Flynn's report…? Or should I
summarize what's happened?
RYAN (BR): Well...
JB: What would be interesting?
BR: It'll be a conversation.
BR: I'm going to ask you to summarize what's happened since the last
time we talked to you. See… because this is an update…
BR: And when I met you, it was in October.
JB: Yeah. I think it was September or October. Yeah, I think it was...
BR: No, it wasn't. It was September. That's right.
JB: Yeah… September...
BR: It was September. Yeah, it was September.
BR: So there is quite a lot of water under the bridge since September.
JB: Yeah… right.
BR: And this whole thing seems to have evaporated. It’s just like...
It’s not in the news. No one's talking about it. All the people who
were really talking about it a lot on the Internet… that’s all
kind of... that's all evaporated, too. And everyone's thinking: What
BR: And so, I'd like to ask you: What
was that all about? What
have we all learned? What do you think happened? What's the
optimistic message for us all?
BR: And then a personal note about what your personal plans are...
because I think you've got a lot of people out there who really love
you. And they want to know what you're up to, what you're thinking,
and what's next. It's a chance to talk about the book and, you
JB: I'm off to my Greek island. [laughs]
BR: Off to your Greek island?
BR: Yes, exactly. So...
BR: Let's make a start here. And I don't even know what date it is.
the 15th, isn't it?
JB: Yes, the 15th.
BR: Right. So here we go.
Start of interview
BR: So this is Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and Project Avalon, and
is the 15th of February, 2010.
in a very rustic farmhouse in the middle of Switzerland here, which
is where Jane Burgermeister has been staying in her
bed-and-breakfast, having given a presentation to the Zurich Ground
Crew yesterday. We're surrounded by snow. There's an enormous cowbell
just behind Jane's head here, on the right of the camera. It's all
very idyllic and very quaint.
is a short interview to catch up with you, Jane, to ask you, since we
spoke with you last… which was in September of last year (feels
like a long time ago)... from your perspective, what's happened with
you and what's happened to the Swine Flu?
JB: Well, the Swine Flu has fortunately disappeared. It's no longer in
the newspapers. It's no longer in the media. People are no longer
being driven or encouraged to take the vaccine to the same degree as
a few months ago when it was omnipresent in our lives.
few people have taken the vaccine in Europe... I think 30-million out
of 450-million, or whatever… So, a much smaller proportion than the
governments had hoped.
France, they wanted to vaccinate 100% of the population by the end of
January, and I think only 6% took it there. Six or seven percent took
it in Germany and in the UK, and so on… and also in countries like
Switzerland. I think 60-million people took it in the U.S.A.,
according to the figures of the CDC. Again… maybe quite a small
portion of the total population of… 400-million… is it?… in the
we have seen an incredible awakening among people.
have become aware that the vaccination was more dangerous than the
virus… that it contains toxic ingredients – mercury and squalene…
and they have passed on that information and shared it around with
their friends and their colleagues, and people have not gone and
taken this vaccination. They have not given in to fear. They have not
allowed themselves to be manipulated into taking something that is
actually more dangerous than the actual virus.
has been achieved through the use of the communication-information
technology, through the e-mail, through YouTube, through interviews
like yours. So I think it's a tremendous event we’ve experienced
where ordinary people have decided to think for themselves, think
critically, examine the facts, and not just follow “authorities”,
governments, or newspapers and take some vaccine for a non-existent
BR: Yeah. It's nice to have a real victory for a worldwide grassroots
movement, isn't it? This is what it is.
JB: Absolutely! Even the World Health Organization Director-General,
Chan, said at the executive board meeting on January 18th that they
didn't anticipate that people wouldn't take the vaccination. They'd
in propaganda and the controlled media was hyping this virus.
this was really an unexpected victory. And it was due to every single
person who spread that information… who took the time and trouble
to read about it, to maybe tell their friends, their colleagues and
other members of their family.
what it has revealed, to my mind, is the extraordinary intelligence
and solidarity of people out there – that they do
care about their neighbors, their friends. They were willing to pass
on this information. And though it was quite difficult to grasp and
quite unpleasant to grasp, they were willing to take the trouble to
look at the facts and get to the truth in many, many cases.
BR: So you're not just talking about people who for many years may have
done a lot of research into secret government plans on the internet.
You're talking about regular people waking up, looking at the
information in front of them, taking stock, acting intelligently, and
realizing what was happening.
JB: I think that is what we're seeing. We're seeing a completely new
scale of awareness among… you know, the ordinary people… that we
have a big problem with our governments.
was just talking to somebody yesterday who said that her mother,
who's about 60 years old, has always taken every single vaccine and
believed that the governments were representing the interests of the
people. But when it came to the Swine Flu vaccine, she looked at the
facts and decided not to take it.
slowly she's becoming aware that the government that is giving this
have the interests of its people at heart, and is beginning to ask
questions about: Why
are they doing this? Who's behind it?
You know… What
is their motivation?
I think we’re seeing in Europe a huge awakening to the fact that we
have a big problem. We have a shadow government. We have an
international corporate crime syndicate… as I call it… who are
controlling governments, health ministries, and pushing this poison
BR: And the governments have got an interesting problem on the other
side because they've got a population now that isn't necessarily
going to be willing to take things at face value anymore.
JB: That is something that Dr. Margaret Chan of the World Health
Organization herself said. She said: We
can no longer assume that when we say a medicine or drug is to be
recommended… that people will actually take it.
been a tremendous collapse in demand for vaccines among the people in
Germany and France, and I'm sure also in America… even when it
comes to vaccinating their young children against mumps… as a
result of the skepticism that has surrounded this whole Swine Flu
have seen the beginning of a tremendous increase in interest in
homeopathic remedies and vitamins, and the importance of good,
nourishing food; and a much more critical attitude towards
government, as you mentioned.
BR: Now, many people will be watching this in America. They may not be
aware… but what happened in Poland with the Health Minister there?
That’s a fascinating development, isn't it?
JB: That was a key development, because the Health Minister in Poland,
Ewa Kopacz, is actually a doctor… a family doctor… and she looked
at this Swine Flu vaccine. She saw that it was not adequately tested
and she decided not to order the Swine Flu vaccines for the Polish
people on the basis of the fact that it could be dangerous…
potentially dangerous… to them.
was the only health minister of all the health ministers in Europe
who made that decision – even though, if you looked at the facts
soberly, objectively, you would think every single health minister
would've decided not to… you know… purchase the Swine Flu
decision not to purchase the vaccine was a turning point, I think, in
the campaign. It was quite widely publicized and it made people aware
that there are responsible politicians and doctors who recognize
there's a problem with this vaccine.
BR: So what happens next, from the government's point of view… if
there really is a Machiavellian plan here? What happens next from the
point of view of all the activists all over the world who have worked
so hard for six to nine months to make sure that something nasty,
really nasty, didn't happen? And what happens next with the virus?
Are we going to see it again at all?
JB: Well... I personally don't think we're going to see the virus.
do know that there are scientists working on trying to make the Swine
Flu more lethal. It seems that whoever released this virus didn’t
quite understand it… didn’t understand that it wasn’t going to
bury itself in peoples’ lungs and become much more virulent… and
that scientists like Bruno Lina at INSERM-Lyon, who’s affiliated
with WHO, are trying to make it more lethal by combining it with the
many people say there are many government documents which indicate
that the only way they can get a lot of people infected with this
virus is by vaccinating them. And if people refuse the vaccines, then
this virus is just not going to happen and spread, however much they
hype it. If people refuse to take the vaccines, then it's not going
to become a major problem.
it comes to the next steps of how we can begin to deal with what's
happened, there is an inquiry under way at the Council of Europe
Parliamentary Assembly. Paul Flynn, who's an MP from Newport West in
Wales, has been given the task of preparing a report called Swine
Flu Pandemic: The Pandemic Level Six Declaration... whether
it was merited, or whether pharmaceutical companies influenced the
World Health Organization to make this declaration so that they could
then sell these gigantic quantities of vaccine at a huge profit…
BR: So we’ve got a kind of "Flu-gate" here.
JB: We have Flu-gate. And this report is due to be finished in June.
Paul Flynn indicated to me he might even look at the Baxter incident
as part of his report.
BR: Tell people about the Baxter incident again… for those seeing this
for the first time.
JB: Well, in February of last year, about one year ago, Baxter
contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu
virus in their facilities in Orth an der Donau in Austria. And this
nearly triggered a global bird flu pandemic.
are many reasons to think that this was deliberate. The main one is
that Biosafety Level 3
have to be used when anybody handles the bird flu virus. And this
makes an accidental contamination almost impossible.
filed charges, and the police started investigating. But they dropped
the charges at the end of September… just before the mass
vaccination campaign and just before Baxter sought approval for its
asked to see the files… to see the basis on which the State
Prosecutor of Korneuburg
the charges. But I was refused access to the files so I e-mailed Paul
Flynn and asked him whether he would look into this matter. He… by
virtue of his power as a member of this PACE body… could probably
force the State Prosecutor to hand over these files, or even question
executives to get to the bottom of this incident.
think a proper inquiry would most likely show that it was a
deliberate attempt by a pharmaceutical company to trigger the very
pandemic that they then profit from by being able to sell these
pandemic vaccinations in gigantic quantities.
BR: Are you optimistic that the inquiry will really research and
its findings honestly? Or is there a possibility of a whitewash here?
JB: Well, I think if Paul Flynn simply documents the facts... the facts
about how toxic the vaccine is... that it was only given to people
because Special Emergency Regulations were in place that allowed
these untested vaccines to be administered...
he documents the facts that we could have been forced to have taken
this vaccine under the International Health Regulations… that a
military-style management of the pandemic was planned... and, indeed,
France came within a few days of martial law in December… Nurses
and doctors were requisitioned and forced to give this vaccine to
people in vaccine centers.
he documents all of this as well as the Baxter incident, then that
will be enough to create an explosive report which will then be sent
to 47 Parliaments in Europe… also to Switzerland, to the Ukraine,
to Russia, to the countries that don't belong to the European Union.
They will then have to consider this report. And I think if they
investigate and look into it, then it could well come to a series of
arrests and scandals in each country.
media… as we know… in the meantime, is totally controlled, of
course, by the pharmaceutical banking group… the shadow government.
like James Murdock, the son of Rupert Murdock, who is… I think…
in control of the news corporation's European arm, sits on the board
of GlaxoSmithKline, which produces the Pandemrix vaccine. Thomas
Glocer, the CEO of Reuters, sits on the board of Merck. So the media
will not be telling us about all these dramatic developments, these
investigations or whatever.
behind the media screen we could see tremendous numbers of arrests,
and renewal and changes in our government on an unprecedented scale,
because the facts alone are so shocking. So a lot will depend on what
Paul Flynn includes in his report.
BR: Are you in on-going dialogue with him? Or did you just present him
with a bunch of facts and now you're leaving it all to him?
JB: Yes. All I did was send him an e-mail pointing out this aspect of
the whole pandemic event…that there was a pharmaceutical company
literally brewing a bad flu pandemic which would have been much more
lethal than a Swine Flu pandemic. And I left it to him.
mean… I'm sure he's going to do his job as impartially as possible.
He's going to be under tremendous pressure to leave out facts
concerning the toxicity of squalene and mercury. So we'll just have
to try and keep the awareness there among the general public... to
mobilize support and make sure that there isn't a whitewash. Yeah.
BR: And what are your personal plans now? Would you still call yourself
an activist? Or are you sitting back and thinking: Well,
we won that one and now I can go on to the rest of my life.
JB: Unfortunately, I don't think we've reached that stage. WHO has said
it wants to keep the Pandemic Level Six Emergency for two more years.
That means that as long as this Pandemic Level Emergency Six is in
place, it can issue drugs that are untested to people. So we can be
getting more kinds of drugs now that haven't been adequately tested.
It can take control of the health services and the military and the
police in our countries and create this sort of... cement the shadow
apart from all of this, this shadow group is also involved in the
Climate-gate scandal and the financial crisis. It’s trying to
instigate wars… famines… sending these vaccines to the developing
we can't just… you know… say: It’s
all over. It isn't.
huge victory has been accomplished, but we need to go a little bit
further and see to it that the report that Paul Flynn produces is a
good one… that countries hold their inquiries… and that the
people who are responsible for this are actually put in jail. The
French are holding a parliamentary inquiry in the next few weeks, as
well. So that’s another opportunity in France to really get to the
bottom of this and to put the people responsible in jail.
if we get those people into the courts, then we should be able to
dismantle a large part of this New World Order government… you
I myself plan to write a book in the next couple of months,
summarizing what has happened… the main areas that have to be
looked at: The toxicity of the vaccine; the lack of pharmacopic
the monitoring of what happens to people who have taken this vaccine;
the militarization of the management of the pandemic emergency under
the International Health Regulations.
already completed one chapter. You can download it on my website: theflucase.com.
So that's what I'm going to be doing in the next few months. And
then, just following what happens with this report… you know… how
it's handled with trying to make sure that we really bring the people
responsible for this to account.
BR: What kind of feedback have you had from around the world? Because
you've been very much of an icon in this grassroots movement. I know
that was never your intention, but you've become an icon. What's it
been like, suddenly becoming so well known all over the world?
JB: Well, I have to honestly say I've been quite busy because I was
doing the website and giving talks and so on. So I haven't really had
time to reflect on that side of things.
me, the most amazing thing has been the number of people who were
willing to get involved. In every single country, groups appeared.
People were willing to pass on this information, set up websites, set
up blogs, go out into the streets and hand out leaflets. Hundreds of
people here in Switzerland were involved. I think I mentioned
up a blog. [ http://www.menschenverstandschweiz.ch
it really is a grassroots movement. Maybe I was perhaps one of the
first people to… you know… present this sort of information as a
whole. But there have been so many people involved in this... doctors
like Dr. Rebecca Carley in the U.S.A., Doctor Joseph Mercola, Dr.
Robin Falkov… that I think we can really say this was a genuine
was a victory and success achieved by ordinary people all over the
world… acting according to their conscience, taking the time and
trouble to get informed and to inform others. This is the amazing
thing to see… the good will and the intelligence of so many people
This is a message, then, of optimism and encouragement because this
whole thing is not over yet in terms of the controllers’ desire to
nail us down, to lock us down, to control us, to restrict our
freedom, to restrict our sovereignty. This is probably not over, let
me say that... [laughs] Let me say that is a little bit of an
what's the message of encouragement and optimism that you see for
other people who've been woken up through all of this? And now they
may have other things coming at them over the next few years.
JB: Well, I agree with you. The controllers have lots of plans up their
sleeves… including, of course, a war.
They've been planning a major war… nuclear war… for a long time.
But they depend, ultimately, on us being prepared to go along with
know, they fill the media, the airwaves, the TV screens, with
catastrophes. They terrorize us, make us fearful… and they depend
on us doing certain things out of fear… taking the vaccine, going
to fight in the army… whatever.
people are no longer willing to be driven by fear… if they're
willing to stop, to stand, to think for themselves, to be critical,
to communicate with their friends, and to say: No,
we're not taking this vaccine. We're not going into this army. We're
not fighting this war. We're not allowing this famine to occur. We’re
not allowing this corruption to continue…
and if they begin then unraveling the whole infrastructure with
inquiries, investigations, and so on… then I think that they cannot
continue with their plans. They do depend on our fear and our
BR: And our compliance, to implement these plans...
BR: ...with an enormous number of people in the… let's say the middle
professional classes, like the doctors, the nurses. In the military,
we're talking about the soldiers and airmen and seamen who would
actually be obeying orders to cause an enormous amount of damage on
the human race if they just followed those orders… right?
JB: Absolutely. And one of the most interesting things was to see with
the Swine Flu campaign that the German army was among the first to
refuse it. Their doctors said: It’s
too dangerous for our soldiers.
And the gendarmes
in France who were supposed to be 100% vaccinated under the
government plans… whatever… refused to take the vaccine. And they
would have been the ones who would been forced to give it to others.
Eventually they would have been guarding the vaccine centers and had
a bigger role to play if the government had ever moved towards forced
vaccination… as would have been necessary if they wanted to
accomplish their goal of getting 100% of the people vaccinated.
we see in the armies and the police forces… and also, obviously,
among the doctors and nurses… the vast majority didn't take, or
want to take, this vaccine… a refusal to go along with the whole,
you know, campaign. And that was crucial, actually. The nurses and
doctors very early on said: We're
not taking this vaccination. And
that's already where it began to falter.
were many critical reports in newspapers in Germany, particularly, I
think. You know… the leading doctors came out and said on the front
page that this is an untested vaccine… also in the Polish media.
Much less so, unfortunately, in the UK and Ireland where the grip on
the media is much more total. And in the U.S.A. there's hardly a
single really major report that was critical of the vaccine.
yes. There’s very clear indication that… as you say… the
professional classes are refusing to go along with this.
BR: Thank you very much, Jane. Is there anything else here that you'd
like... just as a message… just as a brief update… just 20
minutes or so for the people who've been intrigued about your role in
this activism since we published our video in September? It's been
seen by 300,000 people I think. The number's growing every day…
basically the opportunity for a message to them… a message about
how they can take this forward because we're not trying to create an
organization here. We're trying to empower other people to take
whatever action… to express whatever views they feel that they
should, and to have the courage to do that as we move forward…
JB: Yes. I mean… I think that the internet, the new communication and
information technologies… are providing people with a tremendous
possibility to become informed about what's going on and to take
action and communicate it.
think we're moving into a new era… I believe… of personal
sovereignty where people take responsibility for their lives, get
involved again in political decisions and economic decisions, and
work together towards shaping a much better world.
this will be possible as soon as we just remove this shadow
government… whatever… from power. Within one or two years, we
could see a completely new era starting where people once more can
live in dignity and freedom, in peace and prosperity. There's no need
for anybody on our planet to be hungry, to be in need, to be
oppressed. This vision of a truly peaceful, prosperous, free globe is
within our reach… I believe.
BR: That’s absolutely wonderful. Thank you. That’s a beautiful
closing statement. Okay! So, Jane Burgermeister, let's catch up with
you again later on this year, and we'll see how things are rolling
share your view that this optimism is well-placed. I think we need to
stay vigilant. And there's a massive opportunity to learn from a very
successful experience from a grassroots movement. And you've played a
huge part in empowering and motivating and fueling all of that. And
so, I want to thank you for that because you've done an enormous
amount for the human race here.
JB: And I'd like to thank you too, Bill, for all you've done to help
this message across. So… thank you.
BR: All right. [laughs]
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conversation continues as an audio recording]
JB: Okay. So... we're finished?
BR: That was great!
JB: Okay, great. That was quite painless.
BR: And now I can see that you very, very intelligently moved out of
way of the camera [Jane laughs] so we don't capture any more
JB: I mean, do you want to sit there with a little...
BR: No, no, no, no, no, no, no! No. It’s not my role here.
JB: Okay. Well, that was... that was quite painless.
BR: That was beautiful. That was a good job.
BR: Thank you so much.
JB: Considering we're freezing… you know?
BR: A lot of people will appreciate that. Now we can get warm.
BR: Okay… beautiful, Jane. Hey, thank you.
BR: Thank you.
JB: Yes, thanks to you, Bill… because really… you know, without your
video... That really started kicking the whole thing into place. I
feel it made a big, big difference… really.
BR: Well, working as... we're all working as a huge... It’s an
international global team...
BR: ...with people who we'll never know… we'll never meet,… we'll
never know their names.
BR: And we've all been working together on this all over the world.
BR: This is the human race here.
JB: Yeah… and this is what I think is so fantastic. It really is a
joint effort. It really was people getting together… people like
Goya [a friend] going out and handing out leaflets… and Ruth… and
a tremendous amount of individuals getting active and sharing all
their goodness, to be honest… because it’s a...
BR: Yeah. I was amazed at the personal energy...
...as you said, just regular people… just leafleting, talking to
people in the streets, doing what they could…
BR: E-mailing their friends...
JB: Yeah! And you have to bear in mind that this was a very unpleasant
topic, so normally people just don't want to hear about these things.
They just switch off. And they didn't. They actually were willing to
look at what were really very ghastly facts, and… you know… face
them and pass them on.
BR: Face them and deal with them.
BR: And I agree with that completely. This is what gives me so much
hope… the fact that it's not just the so-called “usual suspects”
who got up and started saying things on the internet. It was people
who'd never said anything before about anything...
JB: Yes, yes...
BR: ...suddenly started to become active.
JB: Yes. I was talking to Christian Cotton in France on the TV – on
the phone – and he said in all his 20 years of activity on the
internet in France, he's never seen anything like it… since June
when the Swine Flu began to be debated in France. It’s galvanized
the internet and created a new internet community, more or less, in
France. He said he’s never seen so much debate about a vaccine in
think France has been transformed by this because before that they
didn't really have so much of an alternative media in the internet
community. And now they've created one over this issue. And there is,
I think, one video where just a few doctors gave their views on the
vaccine. Marc Girard also had almost a million views or something
like that. You know? So it's a huge thing... yeah.
yeah. If one really looks at the numbers of all the people who've
become active all over the world who weren't active before… and if
you look at that as a kind of statistical spike… you can see this
wake-up all over the world visually.
JB: Yes, yeah.
can see it visually and statistically that people are saying: Wait
a minute. What's going on here? I thought they were telling us the
truth, but they're not.
JB: Yes. And
even Sandra yesterday was saying her mum for the first time didn't
take this vaccine, and for the first time began to ask herself: What's
you know, exactly what's been happening.
every generation has been willing to take this information onboard.
I'm pleased to say that apparently in Germany and France… or
wherever… parents are not giving their kids the vaccines
automatically anymore. They're taking the time and trouble to find
out what's in them.
JB: And deciding not to vaccinate. This is obviously causing a major
crisis now to the whole pharmaceutical infrastructure. I think it
could even be the end of it.
And the spin-off from this is that one doesn't even have to believe
in Machiavellian plans that they're trying to kill us all… and all
kinds of other enormous scenarios that are very probably true and
which are also very hard to believe.
the fact that the vaccines are damaging… and the rates of autism
are soaring… and all the problems to do with the side-effects which
have been there for years… and suddenly now this is in the
spotlight, as well.
yes, yes, yes.
of course, that's just a part of the fact that, like many
institutions, the medical institution just survives in order to serve
itself, really. We are perfectly able to heal ourselves. We're
perfectly able to treat ourselves...
we're perfectly able to educate ourselves, to feed ourselves, to
determine and research our own spirituality. And we don't need
institutions and “authorities” to do this for us. So that's also
an example for how real autonomy can be returning to the people, in
terms of restoring their sovereignty… which is what you said at the
very end there.
I really think that's the way forward. I was speaking to this Irish
guy on the radio, and he was telling me about the personal
sovereignty movement in Ireland. And it actually has a foundation in
the constitution… that they're allowed when they go into court to
say things like: I
absolve you, Court, of your duty…
or whatever. Under the constitution, they… as a sovereign person…
have the right to absolve the court and the government!
now they're waiting for the opportunity to go out there and absolve
the government. And the Swine Flu vaccine scandal could be that
it goes eventually into the Irish parliament… and there's such an
overwhelming evidence that huge numbers of people have been damaged
through this because I think a large portion of the Irish took it…
then this could be the point where enough people get together and
absolve the whole government of its responsibility; we're
reconstituting a new government.
And they can do this under the constitution of Ireland!
is something which I didn't know about.
very, very interesting.
They don't even want people to know that you, as a sovereign person
under these constitutions, have all this power.
You have power and rights and ways to do things… and they don't
want you to know.
was amazed at... He was explaining, you know, that you can
actually... There was this guy who was due to get a fine in court,
and he said… according to the formula that you have to lawfully say
it... he said: I
absolve you, as a free sovereign person… the Court of its duty
And the court had to dissolve and the judge couldn't give him the
like saying magic words.
suddenly the guy walks out of the door.
laughs] …because ultimately they are…
by our giving them the authority. And if we rescind that authority,
they have no rights.
I think the government's terrified of this little group of people and
all that’s going on behind. They're spreading the word that you as
a sovereign person can dissolve the whole government [laughs] you
know... that kind of thing.
it's like a legal constitutional way of saying: I
withdraw my approval and agreement from this whole thing that's
happening around me here.
Apparently, under the constitution, you as an individual are the sovereign
You give power to the courts. You give power to the government. And
you can legally withdraw the power you've given to the courts and you
can withdraw it from the government. You have to say a certain
formula that means that you have dissolved this entity. So, it's not
above you. It's actually below you according to the Irish
constitution. You can dissolve it if it no longer serves your
that's... that's an inspiration.
the other thing is that the governments in Europe are actually
corporations. Like the Irish government… and whatever… are
actually corporations listed on some stock exchange. I mean… I
haven’t looked into this, but that means they are also liable for
all the debts… huge debts now because the government has taken
onboard all the Anglo-Irish debts just to get the country into debt
and get it bankrupt. Then they can… you know, with all this money
that they get from the taxpayers, banks like Anglo Irish Bank can buy
all about centralization of assets.
it is. Yeah.
apparently, legally they're a corporation, and they're only liable
for their debts. So the people of Ireland can legally get together
and say… you know: We
don't accept any of these debts, because you, the government, are not
the same as us, the people. We are the sovereign people, and you, the
government, had a role to play as long as we allowed you to play that
role. This is the role you gave yourself. You're liable for the debts
and we have nothing more to do with you.
is the perfect solution! And then… as for the future… we were
thinking that apparently under the sovereign Irish principle,
everybody's entitled to the land. You know there's no reason why you
can't have part of the land.
you have to be responsible. It's not a license to… you know… be
kind of greedy or anything like that. You're expected to be
responsible. But it does mean things like people who are homeless
can, in theory... are allowed to choose maybe a little patch of land.
And I think that they have to build a solid house because with this
comes responsibility to your community. They could build… say, a
wooden house… or with the help of the neighbors. And then this may
be powered by renewable energy.
things are all possible under the Irish constitution.
he was telling me another anecdote. This guy was about to be thrown
out of his house because he'd lost his job and he couldn't keep his
mortgage payments up, and the bank was harassing him and so on.
the Irish constitution, the sheriff is responsible for keeping the
peace, which means that he also is responsible for insuring that
banks don't throw people out of their homes when it's winter… or
whatever… because they've lost their jobs. Because the concept of
peace is much wider than merely profit… you know… or exactness of
they’ve got this little clause… something which said: I
call on the sheriff for my protection and to keep the peace in our
shire because I'm about to be thrown out of my home by the bank.
And this obliged the sheriff to protect this man from being thrown
out of his home because he’d lost his job.
see… the bank, after that, stopped demanding the mortgage payments.
He's living in the home now.
was somewhere in Ireland.
Ireland. This is all happening in Ireland.
And within this whole county or shire where the sheriff has his
jurisdiction, nobody since then has been thrown out of their home as
a result of losing their job and, you know, having to pay back the
There are a whole bunch of people in America who need to check that
even… I would say the whole world!
There's Scotland and the U. K.
know, Switzerland's in the best shape because they have direct
democracy where they vote on issues. They don't have the two-party
this could be the way forward. I mean, you know...
very, very interesting. Yeah. Is this all going to go into your book?
sort of broader perspective? Or is it only going to be about the
what I was thinking of doing is a second book, you see. The first one
will be mainly about the pandemic simply because I wanted to get it
finished by a certain date so that it feeds into this whole report
process and puts pressure on… to be honest. [laughs]
that's what people want. And then you can follow it...
a bigger picture.
second book is... what I was thinking of would be showing our way out
of the whole thing with solutions like personal sovereignty,
renewable energy, and so on. How we can rebuild our societies, you
know… and homeopathy.
I hope to do that in two months or three months. Part of my trip to
Greece would tie in with this because it would bring back all sorts
of the ideas of the ancient Greeks, which were very sensible
political ideas. I mean, if you read Plato's Republic
it's not at all this totalitarian thing it’s made out to be. It's a
very sensible model.
it's also about personal responsibility. Plato keeps saying you can't
expect a better political system than you as a human being… as an
you know. There's a correspondence all the time. And you have to
improve as a person – your mind, your feelings and so on. And then
you can expect a better political system.
then my third book, I hope, would be more about spiritual questions…
you know… as we move towards 2012. How the sunlight is interacting
with our DNA and these sorts of issues… and whether we're coming
into this cosmic Second Coming of Christ kind of thing… Christ
Consciousness and so on.
we're coming into something.
I don't know what it is, but things are changing.
mean, we see the symptoms all around us.
personally think we're coming into a very, very good time, you know.
But I think it's almost too late for these people to implement their
plans because of these changes, you know… that sunlight is pouring
down on the planet and boosting this awareness.
the fear factor, they can't do it if they're being undermined
everywhere… in Climate-gate, in the Iraq War inquiry. Timothy
Geithner's almost in jail for his role in… you know, the AIG
swindle. It's going to be very difficult for anyone to start World
War Three and get away with it. You know?
And they’re really trying to rush this stuff through, using all the
force and propaganda and financial pressure that they can come up
with. But if that's all they can do against the power of
consciousness then, actually, it's all over already.
mean, in terms of the fact that they haven't got a chance.
mean, what this revealed is just how deluded these people are. I mean
who's sitting there saying we want to keep this on for two years…
the Pandemic Level Emergency Six? Actually seriously saying this, you
know? At the inquiry at PACE in January, I think the 26th, Dr. Keiji
Fukuda actually said that! I mean… everybody was sort of, you know…
couldn't believe it.
they're living in another universe. And they still have the levers
and power, unfortunately. And in their delusion they can still wreak
a lot of havoc… and maybe start a few nuclear wars, you know. I'm
sure they're thinking in these terms.
to information that we have, they are... they're still trying to do
don't think they will succeed. I really
don't think they will succeed.
they are trying. It's all building up to quite an interesting sort
of... an interesting climax… here.
very, very interesting.
they really need to get going is this war between Israel and Iran,
because then they can get Russia and the EU in it… because Russia's
given Iran a lot of nuclear weapons and uranium.
knew somebody in Vienna who worked for the IEA. He was an expert sent
in by the American government… and I think these are usually CIA
officers, though he didn't tell me this, you know. We just met
socially. He was responsible for monitoring the Iran nuclear
the American government. And then he went back to Idaho where they
have this big nuclear research base and Lockheed Martin… it's all
interwoven… who are also working for the government. And I asked
him frankly a couple years ago when he came back to Vienna for a
conference or trip or whatever… did he think Iran was building a
nuclear program for war purposes? And he said: No.
He said he didn't think so. He thought it was just a civilian
of course they could be getting missiles, you know, from China.
Russia's given them the equipment for their civilian program. And I
think they want to get the EU involved. The EU, under the Lisbon
Treaty, can now… Technically, in the EU if they declare war, people
can be forced to serve in the EU army. Few people know that.
I didn't know that.
it's terrible! With the Lisbon Treaty came conscription.
This is one of the sticking-points why the Irish voted No
the first time around. And they were given the concession that they
don't have to serve in the army.
people are not aware that they could, theoretically, end up having to
serve in the EU army. The Lisbon Treaty creates an EU army… creates
a general staff and a whole infrastructure for an EU army.
of course, now we have this commission. And Baroness Ashton is the
foreign minister of the EU. If she declares a war, every single
foreign minister within the EU is obliged to back her up. It's called
or something like that.
they're not allowed to say: We
don't think this is a real war. We're not bothered,
you know. They’re actually obliged legally by the Lisbon Treaty to
give their support to her if she says… you know: We're
declaring a war.
And if she does do that, it is theoretically possible to start
you just imagine if they set a 9/11… they attack Berlin with a
little mini nuclear bomb. They say, you know: Iran
did it, and we're in a war situation. They
can try and clamp down their totalitarian grid because in the EU
Lisbon Treaty, we're in a police state, basically. And then they can
start trying to conscript people. Although we're not aware of it,
we're sitting on that totalitarian trap in Europe.
their dilemma is that they've lost all credibility. If they can't get
the people to believe the nuke that's gone off in Berlin… or
something… is really from Iran… And they can't get enough people
to go into the army and obey these laws of the police to arrest
the whole thing is going to collapse.
I think this is their difficulty.
is worth paying attention to. And presumably you're finding out about
some of this stuff because you've got contacts into Ireland…
because you've got Irish blood, haven't you?
My mother was from Ireland and that's why I was following the Lisbon
Treaty. And that's why I knew why the Irish voted against the Lisbon
know… because when they were asked to vote on the Lisbon Treaty,
they were not given the actual treaty. They were just given 300
paragraphs which amended other treaties.
the EU actually forbade these paragraphs to be printed beside the
original treaties. People couldn't see exactly what was being
the Irish thing... the Irish went out and found all the original
treaties, put the amendments beside them and printed their own
copies, and then tried to figure out... you know?… because you're
just seeing the legal text and small changes in wording to many, many
legal paragraphs and text… so you have to figure out what's
actually behind all of this here. What are they actually achieving
with all these things?
they eventually worked out that behind all of this is this
totalitarian superstructure with an EU Police and an EU Army allowed
to shoot protesters under the current laws. And so, yeah... so that's
why they voted No
the first time around.
Irish Police were patrolling the voting stations. So the first time
around, every single ballot box was guarded by the police, taken to
the polling station by the police, and taken to the counting office
by the police. Every ballot that was taken out was being watched by
about ten people. And this second vote… there were no police in
police had vanished. There were ballot boxes disappearing and
reappearing… and so on. Now I'm convinced it was a forged vote. I
mean, there's no way… I believe… that the Irish had decided to
in that proportion or quantity.
Irish were the only ones who were allowed to vote on the Lisbon
Treaty because under their laws, I think that the judge... There's
some clause in their law, or whatever, which says that if there's a
treaty that so materially changes their basic civil rights, they have
to be allowed to vote on it. And the Lisbon Treaty basically
abolishes all Irish civic rights, you know? [laughs] So that's why...
this law which would oblige the government to vote on it… because
they didn't want to vote on it either. No other country got a vote on
JB: I mean... it's shocking! It's disgraceful how these top-level
in Austria… the chancellor and the prime minister… just met
behind closed doors, signed the Lisbon Treaty, and didn't even get a
parliamentary vote. With this they sold the whole country into
other thing the EU-Lisbon Treaty allows is that the EU can actually
come in and take your resources. They can take water from a country
under the pretext of global warming. They can actually take food,
water. They can say: It’s
an emergency. The EU needs your rivers, your water, your food... And
under the Lisbon Treaty!
BR: It's really interesting in light of what I was talking about
yesterday. Actually... that the plans to put these heavy control
structures in place... just brick by brick...
they're still trying to do it.
already there. Now, with the Lisbon Treaty, I think they've put the
structure in place. And now they face other dilemmas. They can't
implement it because the people are not going along with it. So
they're not quite sure now: Can
we get away with it, or can we not get away with it? If
we, you know, get our nuclear bomb going up, will they believe it?
But first, they have to build up a plausible lie to get the war
starting in Iran and Israel.
it might be plausible that some Arab terrorist, you know… wants to
attack here. And then they have to get some sufficiently gigantic
thing going to get people terrified. And then they can't be sure that
the people are really going to go along with it.
the more it drags on, the more behind schedule they’ve become...
more likely they are to make mistakes, the more likely they are to do
something that's so crass that people will just see: Wait
a minute! Now why are they doing this?
JB: Right. Well,
I think the problem with, of course, the Swine Flu... You know, they
originally... This was all planned for the Bird Flu. You know, the
pandemic… the global pandemic management system was designed for
the Bird Flu.
was the attempt to start this global pandemic.
is very much like that story I told yesterday about the B-52 bomber
that flew from Minot Air Force Base down to Barksdale in 2007 with
the nuclear missiles on it.
then nothing happened after that.
know? But it was meant to.
Well, then they were in a dilemma for a few days... I mean after I
filed the charges, frankly. Then you have the Swine Flu because they
decided they can't get away with the Bird Flu… too much evidence
that they're up to something. Then appears the Swine Flu out of
they had a problem in that the virus that they released… they
misjudged it, you know. They thought they'd released a very virulent
form that was going to bury deep into peoples’ lungs and create all
this… you know… shocking damage very quickly. And it didn't. It
became milder and milder and milder.
been working on it really hard, trying to get it more lethal. And
they haven't quite managed it. And so we've been very lucky, Bill…
because if they had got a lethal thing going, there wouldn't have
been the atmosphere in which information about the vaccine could
even the mutations haven't materialized, have they? Receptor binding
domain 225-G, I think…
Henry L. Niman talks about.
what was affecting a lot of people... well, not a lot of people…
but an alarming number... an alarming small number of people in the
the thing that went straight to the lungs and people were talking
about the Ukraine plague and stuff. But that never... that fizzled
out, didn't it?
I don't know what's happened. We're getting a lot of help from some
place… you know?
they're doing their best to get all these things started. And they're
just not working out. You know?
not working out.
out… not quite working. And then, of course, the big problem that
they've had now is that there's no way that people can see why all
the governments should take these emergency measures when there's
absolutely no pandemic. There's no Swine Flu. There's no sickness.
There's no illness. There's no proportion. It becomes obviously a
propaganda thing. You know?
if they suddenly explode a nuclear bomb tomorrow in Berlin and say it
was al Qaeda, who's going to believe it? [laughs]
is [laughs]... this is the fourth or fifth time you've mentioned a
nuclear bomb in Berlin. Should my friends in Berlin get worried about
all this? [laughs]
no, no! I'm just thinking if I were them, I'd realize… you know…
they really have to up the stakes.
the kind of thing they've got to do. Yeah.
have to go really away from just a shoe bomb, or whatever. They have
to really go for a major thing.
I think they have to go for Europe. They have to try and get the EU
fighting in the Middle East, or against Russia, or against China…
you know… and bring the really major power blocs...
play. Eurasia, China, whatever… and they need to do it quickly. And
I don't see what other option they have that's a major… you know...
nuclear bomb attacks within Europe or the U.S.A.
quite strategically astute. I can completely understand your logic.
so it might not be Berlin. Because Berlin, you know, might be a good
place, I would think.
could be. I mean...
don't think it's going to be Vienna because that's where half of them
are… the Hapsburgs Illuminati… you know?
it could be… you know...
in Vienna, you'll be safe there! But really what you're just saying
is that they might do... is you think there might be a false flag
event in Europe somewhere in order to mobilize the European people
because they're not really properly onboard yet.
think that through the Swine Flu, they have always counted on the
Europeans going along with it kind of thing… you know?… and being
ignorant. And now they’ve realized that there's a tremendous
skepticism in the European population. Even the gendarme
won't be taking the Swine Flu jab.
losing control of Europe and they'll be asking how they can get back
that control. Will a false flag operation rise in fear work? Will
they be able to get the Europeans into a fear mode? Will they accept
totalitarian rule on the grounds that they've been attacked? You
know? I don't think so, Bill.
don't think so, either.
really don't think so. I think it's not plausible enough anymore.
mean, there are a huge number of Europeans… just regular Europeans…
who are looking over the Atlantic at America and they don't buy the
Americans buy the government 9/11 conspiracy theory because it's their
than the fact of what happened. But from people who are outside of
America, this all looks very transparent, of course.
been featured in the mainstream media, on television programs all
over Europe and the rest of the world.
really know about this stuff. So they've got a bit of a job on their
hands, don't they?
do. I mean… I think that until quite recently Europeans did think
that Europe was different and the EU was different... blah, blah. Now
they're realizing it’s controlled by practically the same group.
I think they have a big problem on their hands. If the armies aren't
willing to fight, if the top level of the military is not willing to
give their people the Swine Flu jab… gendarmes
aren't going to order them in to take it… the French army's against
it... how are they going to get them to… you know… to go and
destroy themselves, basically, in some Middle East war they've
I think they're going to try everything. But I think they've realized
that the belief that people had that this is really what's happening
is gone. They realize it’s a pantomime… theater… more and more.
would be a good book title.
[laughs] Good... good one.
Yeah. Okay… wonderful.
you so much. This has been a great audio interview right on the back
of the video interview, here. I'm delighted.
some good material here that you’ve shared with people. This is
is very important.
it didn't come out about the Lisbon Treaty, as usual, in the
mainstream press. But I just happened to be following it because...
of your Irish connection?
of my Irish connection.
JB: And I realized that the only block to the implementation of the
Lisbon Treaty was this Irish vote. And if they had voted Yes
one year ago, we would already be under the Lisbon Treaty. I would
never have got to the point where I could have set up my website.
know, there's an EU Police that can come and arrest you in any
country where you are. And they don't even have to give a reason to
yes. People don't realize that. There's an EU Police that can come,
knock on the door in the middle of the night, take you out, bring you
wherever they want to bring you. And they don’t even have to report
it to the local police under the Lisbon Treaty.
any pretext of suspicion or something that they say...
whatever law they have.
don't even have to give the local police a justification for why
they've arrested you. They operate completely independently. And this
was set up under the Lisbon Treaty.
can be sure that one year ago they would have already begun
implementing it. But of course it only came into force now in
December, after the Irish voted... just at this point where the whole
public opinion of Europe is turning against governments and also the
EU regulated the European Medicines Agency which is two-thirds funded
by the pharmaceutical companies and subordinate to the business
commission… the economics commission of the European Union.
the health commission… but the business commission… was one of
the main perpetrators of this crime… you can call it…because they
allowed these vaccines to go onto the market and circumvent all the
clinical trials for safety and efficacy. They are absolutely 100%
complicit in the whole thing… and can be shown to do that… that
the EU-wide regulator gave permission for these vaccines. So, it’s
going to implicate the EU in the whole thing.
is an important package of information, actually, for all of the
European viewers and listeners here who really can take onboard that
they need to dig deep into this. So thank you for that.
was something I didn't even know we'd be talking about, and it's
it's not quite over yet...
really, I think, a question of mobilizing public awareness for the
next few months, Bill. I think if we get to June without a major
catastrophe… in September, then, I think the awareness has been so
exponential that there's no way they can do anything.
BR: Yeah... if
we can get through this year, we'll be out of the woods, I think.
I think even through this half-year. I just feel from somewhere it's
going to be much easier for us. We're already... we'll be out of the
lot of people listening to this will also be waking up to the fact
that they have to do something themselves. They're here for a reason
also. They need to mobilize in whatever way is right for them.
my message to them.
job you're doing. So thank you again for everything you’ve been
doing here to raise public awareness and make sure that these things
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