A Conversation With Bob Dean
Click here for the video presentation
February 25, 2011
Ryan (Bill): We’re going to have some fun with the intro. Have you
Cassidy (Kerry): Why don’t you start off, since you’re always
intros than I.
Bill: Thank you. It’s taken you five years to get to this
Kerry: No. Not at all! I’ve always said that.
Bill: Okay. And this is our first...
Kerry: It’s taken you five years to listen well enough to
be able to
actually hear me when I talk. [chuckles]
Bill: It’s taken me five years to get to the point when I
enough to be able to say that, right? This is all on camera. See?
Here we go.
Kerry: [laughs] I know. I know. Okay.
Bill: So, this is...
Kerry: And since I’m the editor, we’ll decide who’s going
to do what.
Bill: So you’re the editor?
Kerry: Bob, you’re on.
Dean (Bob): Finally.
Bill: So today is Friday the 25th of February. And we are
here at the
Phoenix International UFO Congress. And it’s our great
pleasure, once again, to be meeting with our old friend, Bob Dean.
And I have this feeling that...
Bill: ...we... he may be an older friend than just two or
three years. Who
knows. And I’m delighted to have this opportunity to share a
vintage-style Camelot interview in Bob’s presence. And Bob,
there’s something very remarkable happening here, that the
three of us are together in the spirit of the....
Bob: It’s a nice reunion.
Bill: ...a reunited family. And I’m genuinely delighted to
So, I’m Bill Ryan from Project Avalon.
Kerry: And I’m Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. And we
both from Project Camelot. An interesting dichotomy.
Bill: Things get pretty complicated.
Kerry: [chuckles] No doubt about it. So, Bob, the reason
with you today, is because you made some comments on the stage that I
want to challenge you on. And I’d also like you to talk a
little bit more about a few other topics. Okay? And I think that all
the time that we’ve interviewed you, you always keep a few
cards hidden. And I would love for you to start to reveal some of
those things. And I realize that you put yourself in danger and other
people in danger when you do reveal too much. And so, with that in
mind, I assume you’re going to be as careful as you ever are.
But, sort of... I would love you to disclose as much as you can,
because, who knows how many more opportunities we’re going to
have, to get you on camera. And especially in this arrangement with
the two of us here, just like old times.
Bill: Well, I have this feeling sometimes, that Bob’s
outlive us both, actually.
Kerry: [chuckles] I know. He looks fabulous. So, this...
should be against
the law to look so wonderful at, what, 82?
Kerry: Are you eighty?
Bob: I’ll be 82 next week.
Bill: All right.
Bob: Second of March.
Kerry: Happy birthday, Bob.
Bob: And I said in my speech yesterday, every time I get
out of bed, I’m
in a state of shock that I’m still here. But I am still here,
because apparently, I’ve not completed what I came to do.
Kerry: Apparently not. Well, you’re needed. That’s for
Bill: What do you feel you are
here to do, Bob? Something which I said to you just the other day, is
that the information that you share isn’t as important as the
inspiration that you provide. And I wondered what you felt your job
Bob: [sighs] It took me a long time to reach the
conclusion of why I
really was here. I don’t think there’s a person on the
planet that doesn’t, at some point in their lives, ask
themselves, ‘Who the hell am I? Why am I here? What’s the
purpose of life?’ ‘What’s it all about, Alfie?,’
as the saying goes. [quotation refers to song lyrics from the movie Alfie
(1966) starring Michael Caine] It took me a long time to come to
terms with why I was here. I shared with you sometime back, about the
fact that I’d had a number of past life hypnotic regressions.
And that opened a can of worms for me. But it also indicated to some
degree, why I really had come this time, because like everyone else,
I’d been here many times. And, as both of you know, I’m
sure that the human spirit is infinite, immortal.
incarnate here and we come and go to school. We learn a few lessons,
contribute in a small way in each and our every way. But, not many
people ever take the time to really sit down and look deeply into
themselves. And Yogananda said, ‘Self realization. Knowing who
and what is living inside this shell that we call a human body.’
And like most humans, I went through a big chunk of my life, as you
said, three different careers. And only in the last ten to fifteen
years, have I really begun to deeply look into myself. And come to
terms with myself. And as the Hindus say, ‘The self in the
immortal being that lives temporarily in this shell.’
I had some interesting conversations with myself.
the hell are you? Who am I? Why am I here?
self replied, ‘You're an immortal being and you came to do a job.
Now damn with, well, get on with it. Do what you came to do.’
only in this third career, as it were, where I’ve been
traveling the world, speaking publicly at major conferences.
Barcelona, Madrid, Mexico City, Atlanta, everywhere. [clears throat]
The response that I’ve been getting from people at this
conferences. The response I got from people, after giving you guys,
what, three previous interviews, has literally been overwhelming.
Shocked me. Really did. Shocked me. And it finally dawned on me, that
when people come up, give me hugs and kisses, touched me, and tell me
that the things that I have said meant so much to them, that
apparently my words had triggered something within them, that brought
something out from inside of themselves. Did it really begin at that
point, where I began to grasp what my mission had been here? And it’s
not a great scholar. I’m not a great philosopher. I’m not
a great much of anything. But when I speak to people publicly, here,
there and everywhere. Apparently, I touch a nerve, somehow. And it’s
almost electric. It’s kind of mysterious. And they come up and
grab me and hold onto me and tell me what I had to say meant so much
to them. And I say to them, ‘I’m not telling you anything
that you don’t know.’ I’ve never told anybody
anything that you don’t know within yourself. I touch them.
Remember the old Hindu story where the holy man, the guru, goes up
and [makes clicking sound in his mouth] knocks a person right between
Bob: And then all of a sudden, they wake up?
Bob: Well, I found that apparently, I’ve been doing a
little bit of
that. Because I’ve been reminding people who they are. What
they are. And I remind them that you’re not just the human body
that you see in the mirror. You’re an immortal being. You’ve
lived forever. God knows how many eons of time we’ve been at
this. And you’re going to live forever. That you are an
infinite soul, a spark of divinity.
saying that to people apparently triggers something in them, where
they really begin to look into themselves. And as I say, I’ve
not told you anything that you didn’t already know. And as my
old friend from Galilee said, ‘The kingdom of God is within
you.’ And that does cause a bit of a spark of recognition in
Kerry: Well Bob, with that in mind, when you were on stage
said that people out there – and you didn’t mean the
audience you were talking to – but you said they couldn’t
handle the truth.
Bob: The masses.
Kerry: Yes. And I actually want to take issue with that,
because I don’t
Bob: Well, we’ve taken issue with that before.
Bob: You are convinced that everybody’s ready.
Kerry: No. It’s not so much that they’re ready. It’s that
they have a right to know.
Bob: They can deal with it. Well, having a right to
Kerry: And judging for them is just what the Illuminati
have always done.
They have decided what we’re allowed to know and what we’re
not allowed to know. And it’s not up to them. It’s not up
to you. And it’s not up to anyone else to determine who is
ready to know and who isn’t.
Bob: I don’t know that.
Kerry: It’s up to them
Bob: I’m not determining for anybody who’s ready.
Kerry: I know. But what I’m saying is, you are a leader.
you... for you to go on stage and say that they’re not ready,
is not encouraging the people and acknowledging the people out there.
The young people especially, who, actually, out there in the masses,
don’t need to go to a UFO conference in order to prove that
they’re not only ready, but they’ve been on that page for
a very long time. That’s why these sci fi movies are flocked to
by the masses around the world. That’s why these shows are
watched. Because, not only do they watch them out of curiosity, but
they watch them because they remember. Some of them come in at this
time.... They’re coming in...
Bob: They know.
Kerry: Yes. They’re coming in with total recall.
Bob: They know in their heart. Yeah.
Kerry: So, all I wanted to say to you, is that I believe
that there are a
lot more ready for the real truth, than people in the inside, whether
it be on the inside from this sector, or far in deep in black
projects, are willing to give them credit for.
Bob: Over the last twenty years, I’ve noticed a change in
nature. There has been definitely an expansion of consciousness in
masses of people all over the planet.
Kerry: Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
Bob: And I’m gratified by that. I’m encouraged by that.
I’ve never determined for anyone, whether they are or were not
ready or not. And when I made my comment yesterday, I told you that
there are a lot people here who are ready. But there are many who are
not. And I use the analogy of ‘Bill Doo,’ the native boy
from New Guinea.
Bob: When he was exposed to realities that he had never
been prepared to
be exposed to, it literally devastated him psychically, to the point
that the kid died.
Kerry: I understand.
Bob: He literally starved to death. He died from
dehydration in a jungle
that was filled with water and fruit and nuts and...
Kerry: But Bob, they’ve been preparing us. And we’ve been
preparing them, because we’ve been working on the same thing.
Disclosure has been happening, non-stop now, for almost twenty years.
Bob: Disclosure has been under way, and it’s working.
Bill: And this is part of it.
Kerry: Exactly. So...
Bob: But it’s a very slow process.
Kerry: It may or may not be. In other words, it might have
been slow for
Kerry: And you were one of the fast ones, back then,
because you got access
to things that other people, to this day, don’t know about.
Bob: If you heard my remarks yesterday, I damn near died.
The truth damn
near killed me. I was not prepared for it.
Kerry: I understand. But we’re in a different time.
Bob: And I’ve seen a lot of the world. And I’m looking at
world from 82 years. And you... You’re just a chicken.
Bob: You’re looking at the world, what? I won’t even get
Kerry: I know. But the thing is...
Bob: The point I’m making is, I understand what you’re
saying. But I still stand by my point that the masses are not ready,
because every time I go out somewhere to speak, I still run into a
few ‘open, old closed minds.’ And... fundamentalists of
any number of faiths, who are ready to fight. And they’re ready
to... [makes boxing gesture with hands and fists]
Bob: Get into...
Bill: Let me just back up a fraction here, because the
this video don’t know the Bill Doo story. And I wonder if I can
summarize it, encapsulate...
Kerry: I think that it’s been out there.
Bill: I had never heard it before yesterday.
Kerry: Oh, I have.
Bill: And so, there are a lot of other people who hadn’t,
Bob: Well, the Billy Doo story was included in the
Bill: Yes. The theme here. It’s a true story of a young
up in New Guinea called ‘Billy Doo,’ and everybody loved
him. And they thought that, as a special reward for the fact that he
was a lovely young guy, they would show him what the real world, the
civilized world, the so-called Western world, was like. And they took
him on an plane and they took him to Brisbane, Australia. And they
took him see restaurants and cars and supermarkets and shopping malls
and television and movies theaters and all of this kind of stuff. And
he couldn’t handle it. And this is the story that Bob told in
his presentation yesterday.
question for you, Bob... Is it possible that that could
have been done,
could have been accomplished, in a kinder, more supportive way, that
would have enabled Billy Doo to handle the truth?
Bill: Or was he just dropped in this and left to his own
Bob: They didn’t really intend to do what they did. And
right. If Billy Doo had been prepared, he might have been able to
survive it, because the shock of the world that he came from, the
psychic shock of seeing the other world out there, was more than he
was prepared for.
Bob: The psychic shock, the spiritual shock to that kid,
Bob: Yes, he could have been prepared. But they didn’t
that, at that mission school in Papua. Their intentions were good.
They loved the kid. And they thought they were doing him a favor. And
what they ended up doing, was murdering him, literally.
Bill: Yeah. It was naive. It was really
naive. Well-intentioned, but naive.
Bob: Oh, very! And, as I said...
Bob: The one that Bill Doo referred to as ‘good lady.’..
Bob: Her light didn’t burn quite as bright after that
Bob: ...because she realized what they had done.
Bill: Yeah. But is it possible...
Bob: [clears throat]
Bill: ...using that as a metaphor. This is a story that
was built into the
Brookings report. And we have to assume that somewhere, there are a
lot of very smart people, some of whom are well-intentioned, who are
taking that into account and planning disclosure, with that in mind.
Do you believe that it’s possible that it could be accomplished
Bob: Yes. It’s being accomplished, as we speak.
Bob: As you remember, I went on to tell you, that a blunt
not what the people are ready for.
Bob: But, they are enduring what I call ‘an ongoing
a process that’s been under way for over twenty years now,
maybe longer, where they are being prepared through what I call
‘subliminal education,’ through movies, books, novels,
magazines, even games.
Kerry: To say nothing of Project Camelot and Bob Dean.
Bob: Well, Project Camelot, honey, as I said...
Bob: You guys have had an impact on the world that, I
think even today,
really think you two don’t grasp. Your impact has been overwhelming.
Kerry: Let me tell you the letters we get. We get letters.
We get people
coming up to us saying we changed their lives.
Kerry: Saying, they started from zero...
Kerry: And that we opened this for them, and they
basically are growing in
leaps and bounds. And they come to us and thank
us. Okay. This is the key note. Is that they thank us for that. And I
have to say that we cannot look at Billy Doo, if that’s his
name, as just a physical body. You talked about eternal beings. This
is a soul who came to the planet in a certain state, on a certain
level of awareness. Now, prior to Billy Doo being in Papua New
Guinea, he could have been [in] any number of other places, and he
was probably starved to begin with.
Bob: He probably was. Yeah.
Kerry: And there’s also the aspect that this kind of thing
been targeted to maybe the person that was least-prepared in that
group of people that he was among, to handle these kinds of things.
Bob: I think Margaret Mead, who I believe was the one who
story of Billy Doo...
Kerry: Who was an Illuminati, yes.
Bob: Yeah. She was [an] incredibly bright lady. And she
had had years and
years of experience working with primitive societies. And I think she
was the one responsible for getting that into the study.
Bob: And yes. Bill Doo could have been prepared.
Kerry: And can we hear about the people that this changed
in a brilliant
and wonderful way, whose lives were saved because of it? Because I
had a young woman come to me, just about a half hour ago, and she’s
from Puerto Rico. And she said, ‘I have a child, and he is a
Crystal child. And you saved my child’s life.’ That’s
what she said to me.
Bob: Well, I’m not surprised.
Kerry: And she said, because you interviewed – in this
case, it was
Jessica Schaub. Regardless of what you think of Jessica’s
information. And she was young and inexperienced at the time I
interviewed her. But there are children out there who saw the mirror
of themselves in her.
Kerry: In her awareness and willingness to embrace this
cosmos of which we
are a part. And so, what I would submit to you is, here we are in
2011. That human consciousness is almost like an animal that’s
growing as a unity, in leaps and bounds. Okay? At this time. And you
know that we have incredible energies coming into the Earth, facilitating
this growth at this time, unlike any other time in history. And there
are many scientists, people like Paul LaViolette, who can
substantiate that scientifically, for the people that are listening.
But the point is, that we can’t go back to the Brookings
Report, because it’s no longer applicable, if it ever was.
Bob: Well it’s still... It is still national policy,
like it or not.
Kerry: Yes. But those are incredibly conservative old men
who actually need
to be booted out of office. And they’re not running anything.
Bill: [trying to stifle laughter]
Bob: [chuckles] Whether you think they should be booted...
I agree with
Bob: ...that there are hundreds of thousands of them, who
booted out of office. I’ve known hundreds of them in my own
time. Now Kerry, I don’t disagree with you in what you’re
Kerry: That’s all.
Bob: The only disagreement we may have is the time, the
Kerry: Absolutely. Have you noticed the people taking
their revolution into
their own hands lately?
Bob: Of course. That’s part of an expansion...
Kerry: Okay. These people are not just ready... to change
Bob: That’s part of an expansion of mass consciousness.
Bob: That was inevitable.
Bob: And some of the philosophers have been predicting
that for years and
Kerry: That’s right.
Bob: And let me tell you something else. You ain’t seen
Bill: Mmh. I believe you.
Kerry: And I agree with that.
Bob: Just hold on, the next ten years. I hope the hell I’m
Bob: I want to go home, really. I’m tired. But the next
are going to confront you with things you wouldn’t have dreamed
Kerry: Absolutely. Now, Richard Dolan just did a wonderful
Bob: He did. He always does.
Kerry: Yes. He does. And he talked about the fact that
there is an almost
separate society out there.
Bob: There is.
Kerry: You could even call them a ‘rogue, secret military
who has create a whole society that is based on technology that is
not in the public domain...
Kerry: That is based on concepts, robotics, nano
technology... They live...
Bob: Genetic manipulation.
Kerry: Absolutely. And they have... They have money
galore, that they have
basically stolen, secreted, taken from drug money and supported these
black projects that we at Project Camelot have been pursuing and
interviewing people about, for five years now.
Bob: Projects the American people have been financing for
Bob: Without even knowing it.
Kerry: So, the point I’m trying to make here, is that if
you look at
the Earth and you look at humanity, we have two groups. We have a
rogue group that is living maybe... We even had a witness that said
10,000 years ahead of this group. So you’ve got the masses of
humanity here, and you’ve got this rogue group that’s
flying inter-luminally... Is that super-luminal? Super-luminally.
Kerry: Outside our solar system.
Bob: Hyper-luminal, whatever you wish to call...
Kerry: Solar system, etc.
Bob: [clears throat]
Kerry: They’ve got bases on Mars and the Moon. You’re
about craft outside the rings of Saturn, which, in your presentation,
which is fascinating. And I’ve love you to address some of
that. But the fact of the matter is, is that...
Kerry: ...we have two groups, and they’re hugely divided.
Kerry: And that division is to the detriment, very, very
seriously, of the
Bob: Of course.
Kerry: And so, it’s bridging the gap that we’re all about,
world, at this time, in my view. Okay? That’s what revealing a
secrecy is. It’s all about taking that river of division and
bringing those two sides together. And you’re one of the main
people at the forefront, the avant garde, along with Camelot and many
other people that we know and respect, to bring those two groups
together. To fill in and to reveal that place in between.
Bob: [to Bill] She makes a good argument, does she?
Bill: Do you believe that there are enough white hats
behind the black
curtain, to really be able to make a difference now, that couldn’t
have been made ten years ago?
Bill: Right. That’s an important things to say. Some of
be watching this video, because they want to know what you’re
saying. They want to know what we’re saying. What would you say
to them, because you can talk to them personally, right now.
Bob: Listen. I have been... I’ve met some of them, and
told me, that they support entirely what I’ve been doing. And I
shared this with you before, that at one point, some years back,
certain individuals – the black hats – put out a contract
on me, because I had gone from being a nuisance, to being a threat.
Bob: And they literally thought they could eliminate me.
I must have had good friends in high places. And at that time, I
didn’t realize what high places my good friends were in.
Bill: [quietly laughing]
Bob: And the word went out to leave me the hell alone. And
here I am, at
82, still alive and ornery and kicking.
Bob: [sighs] God, I’m getting tired of being here. But the
I’m making is, even the white hats and even the black hats have
made some progress along the way. And they’ve expanded their
consciousness quite a bit.
Bill: Yes. No one is immune from this process. And that’s
Bob: And... So, I basically am very hopeful about the
future. The human
race, the human species. It has a tomorrow. And I feel that’s
important to share with people. Women with young kids. ‘Will my
little child grow up? What kind of a world will my kid grow up in?’
And I try to reassure them that your kid has a future, and that
tomorrow is going to be much brighter than yesterday.
Bob: And that some of the white hats and some of the black
understand this thing, which is why I am allowed to continue to focus
and travel and do this and that. And I actually have been given
encouragement from some of the Powers That Be. I’ve been
encouraged by some of the guys with all the money.
Kerry: Okay. Well, with that in mind, Bob, now that you’re
up. What is it that you haven’t told us?
Bob: Oh my God. [everybody else laughs] [Looks at Bill]
keep her under control?
Bill: Nope! No chance.
Bob: Kerry, a year ago at Laughlin, I gave you an
interview, where I
thought I would shock the hell out of you. And apparently, it didn’t.
And then I told you that I’d had a personal relationship with
non-human intelligence since I was about two-and-a-half years old.
And, actually, that relationship perhaps went back before I was even
Kerry: Mm-hm. So have we. [chuckles]
Bob: And I thought... I thought... Well, I know you have!
has had a relationship...
Kerry: Lots... definitely.
Bob: The point is, that half the people don’t even begin
don’t want to know the answer to that. And when it all began to
dawn on me, the implications of it were pretty overpowering. But I
gave you that interview and I thought, ‘Well, this will be the
end.’ [Bill and Kerry chuckles] Nobody’s going to pay a
word of attention to me after this. They’ll think the old
coot’s gone over the edge. He’s lost it. And I thought,
‘Well, I can go home. And I can smoke my big Stogies [brand of
cigar] and drink my whiskey and die peacefully. Well, it worked out
just the opposite. I’m more in demand now than I’ve ever
dreamed of being. Yesterday, I accepted an invitation to speak at a
MUFON conference in Philadelphia in October. And I gave her the... I
said, ‘Look. I’m going to tell you, honestly. If I’m
still on the planet in October, I’ll be delighted to come. But
I’m not making any plans really that far ahead. I couldn’t...
I can’t buy an insurance policy at my age.’
Bob: But I’m hopeful, honey. I feel very hopeful about
Kerry: I’m sure you’re hopeful, but what is it you haven’t
told us. Because I believe... Look. We’ve got time travel.
Kerry: There’s issues with that. We’ve got travel through
rooms to Mars and so on. I’m sure you’ve been exposed to
some of that. You did share a little bit of that with me on my last
interview with you.
Bob: [clears throat]
Kerry: But I believe that that was the tip of the iceberg.
And I don’t
know how far you’ve gone down the rabbit hole, but I imagine
that it’s a lot farther than you’ve revealed.
Kerry: And so...
Bob: I feel, I feel sympathetic with Alice, because...
been down the rabbit role.
Kerry: Okay. And you feel... I know you’re a conscientious
individual. And I know that there are some things you want to reveal
and some you don’t, because you want to protect people. And I
don’t think you have a whole lot to protect in terms of
yourself at the moment, because, as you said, you’re protected.
And we have also been threatened in the last year-and-a-half, each of
us in different ways. Our lives. As a result of what we’ve
done. But that just tells you that you’re on the right track,
as far as I can tell.
Bob: Well, from time to time, I felt like the guy on the
street with a
rain coat, who pulls it back... [camera man laughs] exposes himself.
And then somebody comes along. They grab him and haul him away to the
rubber room, as it were. I felt that way for quite a while. And yes,
there are many things that I have not shared with you.
Kerry: How about this? Wendell Stevens passed on recently.
And he was a
very good friend of yours.
Bob: I knew Wendell for 35 years.
Kerry: Okay. And you told me that Wendell said some last
words to you.
Would you share that?
Bob: Well, Wendell and I had shared a lot, before he got
became ill. I had encouraged him for a long time to admit, publicly,
that he himself had had a personal relationship with some of them.
And he said, ‘Bob, I can’t do that. Every ounce of
credibility that I’ve had over the years will go down the tube,
if I say that.’ And I understood what he tried to say. He was
getting older and he didn’t need any bumps in life before he
departed. He was feeling bad and he felt... He knew he was leaving.
And he says, ‘I don’t need any of that heartbreak and
that upset stomach. I’ve told what I’ve learned. I’ve
told what I’ve seen. I’ve shared the photos. I’ve
spoken at conferences. He literally created this world conference in
Kerry: That’s right. The UFO Congress [summit].
Bob: And I had the privilege and honor of assisting him in
together in 1991. And, as I’ve told you before, that’s
when I really came out of the closet and began to violate my national
security oath. I wanted him to hold on and be here for this, the 21st
anniversary. But he went home in September. And I loved him dearly
and I love him still, because I know he’s alive and well. There
is no death. And when you come to terms with that, it’s a kind
of a shock...
people who buy the tombstones and buy the little plots in the
cemeteries and all that... And I say to them, [chuckles] ‘You
guys don’t understand.’ Because, once the spirit leaves,
that’s nothing but a husk. Burn it up. Sprinkle the ashes and
Bob: Imagine how much real estate could be saved, if we
did away with
I’m shaking up some people, I’m sure.
Bob: There are traditionalists out there, who will hear
this and think,
‘He’s out of his damn mind!’ But yes, there are
things that I haven’t told you, and there are probably things
that I cannot
Bill: What would hap...
Bob: I think I told you in that interview...
would happen if you did, Bob?
I share with you, that they had taken me away for six weeks? And that
they brought me back, five minutes after they took me?
cuts out momentarily] [Before]... Okay. I would love you to do that,
but I would also like you to say the last words that Wendell told
you, because he said some very specific words, about what’s
going on here on the planet.
he told me that, from what he’d learned, that we were in for
some difficult times.
that, he said, ‘I’ll see you tomorrow.’
Well, I’m going to reveal it then. I mean, he basically said
they’re in control. The people on... The beings in control...
knew that. And I’ve said that, essentially.
how did he phrase it?
I will go back to my interview with Bob Bigelow. And I’m
banging on the table... and this was years ago, when I still got
frustrated at... expressed my... vented my spleen, as it were. And
I’m sitting with Bigelow. I bought him lunch, by the way, now.
I’m one of the few people who can say, ‘I took a
billionaire to lunch.’
Kerry: [laughs quietly]
Bob: Anyhow, Bob, if you’re watching this, you remember
interview, our talk!
Bob: I’m banging the table, because I was so frustrated
Bigelow said ‘Calm down Bob. Calm down.’ He says,
‘Everybody has an agenda.’
I said, ‘Yes. That’s one of the things I’m angry
about. Everybody’s got their own damned agenda!’
he says, ‘Bob, there’s only one agenda. Only one agenda.’
I says, ‘What is that?’
finger straight upward into the air] He says, ‘It’s their
agenda. Always has been, is and will always be, until we grow up.’
Bigelow shared that with me. Wendell shared that with me. He said
he’d learned that there’s only one agenda. They’re
not only merely in control. They’ve been in control from the
are controlling disclosure.
And who is ‘they’?
Bob: And they are
deciding whether the masses are ready or not.
who is ‘they’?
Sweetheart, there is indeed a Galactic Federation. You may think
that’s a joke. You may think that’s a little funny thing
from the Star
series and all that. There is indeed a Galactic Federation. And the
headquarters is not
even in our galaxy.
Now, you put that in your pipe and smoke it!
there is a Federation of advanced intelligent beings throughout the
Universe. And the latest figure... what, 200 billion planets in our
galaxy, 200 billion galaxies in the Universe. It’s probably
much, much more. But there is a Federation. There is a control. There
is a purpose. There is an agenda. And the survival of this species on
this tiny zoological garden is
important to them.
they are in control of disclosure. They could end it tomorrow, if
they chose. They’ll end it when they have determined that the
masses on the planet are ready, and not
one instant before,
will a disclosure, literally, in a big way, take place.
as I’ve pointed out to you also, it’s been my experience
– and I’ve had [clears throat] firsthand experience with
this. I’ve never spoken at a conference in the last ten,
fifteen years, where there wasn’t at least one or two of them
in the audience.
like Ingo Swann, I’ve developed the ability to spot them. And
I’ve even had them come up to me. And I think I shared this
with you on that interview, where they’ve come up to me after a
presentation, shook my hand and told me how much they appreciated
what I had to say.
I’ve learned that they attend these conferences, not to listen
to what the speakers have to say, but they’re monitoring the
response of the audience to what the speakers have to say.
their monitoring of us, their evaluation of our condition is
There are a bunch of outstanding experts in that group. And, as I
said, they’ve been with us since the beginning of time,
literally. They created us initially. They genetically manipulated
us. They plucked those golden apples and turned us into what we are.
that process is still under way. Those golden apples are still being
manipulated. And we’re learning to do that ourself.
Bob: But, I will say to you again, the psychic shock of
learning all of
this, all at once, would be like Billy Doo. People would... And I’ve
run into them too, honey. And they don’t want to know the
truth. There’s a gut feeling in many people, knowing
spiritually, I think, that
the truth is more than they can handle
at this moment.
[To Kerry] What I heard Bob saying yesterday – he didn’t say
that the movement towards disclosure is something that is
ill-considered and unwise, and people have got to be kept in the dark
forever. I think Bob was saying that it can’t be done in the
way that some people are thinking – with reference to Obama
calling a press conference and saying, ‘Okay guys. We’ve
got this little secret, so listen up. And we’ve got something
exciting to tell you.’
Bill: He’s not going to do it that way and Bob was
it’s been happening for quite a while.
has to be a gradual process.
it’s an ongoing strategic process, in which people are waking
up in waves. And the ripple effect is actually supporting the
disclosure movement. And we’re part of it and other people are
part of it and Bob’s part of it.
I think all Bob is saying, was that it’s not happening in the
way that some people naively think. Is that...
exactly what I was trying to [say]. And...
they’re not going to be Billy Doo.
a finger straight up in the air] ...they are the ones with the
actually... I actually want to challenge that. Okay.
Challenge away, kid!
No. It’s an interesting concept and it actually could be
debated. In other words, what’s the level of free will of this
because, at certain stages in its development, this may be true. They
are in control and have been in control. And it depends who ‘they’
Wendell knew that before he died.
And it depends who we’re talking about – ‘they.’
But I would submit, that this humanity that is waking up, is about to
take those reins into their own hands.
are. They’re waking up.
that is exactly what some
of those groups are very afraid of.
a finger straight up in the air] Some of them?
we are multi-dimensional beings.
are groups [out there]... Kerry, there are people out there,
intelligences out there, that don’t like you... don’t
like us very much at all.
the two scientists who shared this with my retired Commander from the
Navy. He was a fusion specialist. He... What is that? The... the
other element... the [other] level of reality? I forget... Having one
of those senior moments. You will forgive me.
you talking about free energy? Are you talking...
yeah. He was talking about... He’d worked alongside of a couple
of those guys [points finger upwards again]...
fusion? Are you talking about cold fusion?
Kerry: Cold fusion?
it’s a form of that, yeah. But, before he retired and he was
leaving the laboratory, just outside of Las Vegas, which he didn’t
want to be specific about and I concluded he was talking about S4.
He’d worked alongside of a couple of them for some time.
as he was leaving, he said, ‘Tell me what you really think of
the one chap said to him, ‘Well, since you asked...’ And
these were... those guys had worked side-by-side for a few years.
‘Since you asked, we consider humankind primitive, savage and
the scientist said, ‘I can’t disagree with that, because
I look on the masses of humanity as primitive, savage and dangerous
that’s when the other one injected a little bit of humor into
the conversation and says, ‘You also smell bad! You stink!’
the Commander says, ‘You know, I took my shower this morning.’
And he’s trying to...
they said, ‘No, no, no. It’s something about your human
nature. It could be a part of your diet. It could be the way you
think.’ He says, ‘We call it kind of like an auric
Bob: ‘And we find it very discomforting. But nothing... No
the Commander says, ‘Well, I appreciate you being candid with
me. Thank you!’ And he went into retirement and he speaks out very
But... So, at this point, Bill asked you a question. He said, ‘What
would happen to you, if you were to reveal some things?’
That... I’m not sure who you think is deciding if it’s okay [or]
it’s not okay. But, what do you think would happen to you, at
this point? Because I’ve got some people telling me that
those... Now, there’s levels of controllers. And when you talk
about Galactic Federation, you talk about the Guardian Alliance, or
whatever you want to call them – those are a certain level.
we have the ones that are actually here on the planet, who are doing
things like knocking people off, because they do reveal truth. Okay.
And they may be pushed by those people.
with finger pointing upwards again] Well, those guys are not doing
that very much. Most of them ‘knocking people off’ are
some of our black... shadow government people.
So, I’m asking you. If right here and now, you know what you
can say and
you know the limits of that, I’m sure, by now.
can say almost anything now.
Kerry: Okay. Great!
Bob: Because I don’t worry about it anymore. And frankly,
care what our shadow government thinks about it. I know this –
that I’ve gotten some good friends in high places, not merely
up there, [gestures finger upwards] but back in Langley and a few
became a nuisance, then I became a threat and then I’m... I
ended up... I’m an asset!
asset. Exactly! Exactly!
Kerry: You are
I’ve been encouraged. My health... I’m still being looked
after. I’m still being invited. And I joked with, I think, you
don’t travel anymore, cabin class. I had a bad experience
coming back from Barcelona. And... I’m not a snob, but I’m
sitting in this big jet in the middle section. And, bless her heart,
there was an enormously
overweight lady on my right, who kept falling out of the seat.
Bob: There was a squalling brat on my left.
Bob: And here I am. I can’t stand in line to wait to pee
because of my age and because of a couple of little infirmities that
I have. And I said, ‘Look, I’m not going to travel cabin
class anymore, guys. If you can’t buy me a business class
ticket, I’m not coming. Well
I thought that would be the end of that! No more trips!
Bob: I was shocked.
buying business class tickets for me all the time. The guys in Madrid
bought me one.
the guys in Pennsylvania which, if I’m still here, will be
speaking at in October, bought me a business class ticket.
well they should. So, six days you disappeared. You came back five
I was gone six weeks!
weeks. Okay. So tell us about...
they brought me back five minutes after they took me. Now, there are
people out there, who are watching this, who think that I’m
totally insane. And I don’t care.
Bob: Because I went through that period also. I’ve shared
I went through three stages.
began to think I’m losing my mind – that was stage one.
Stage two was, I became convinced I had lost
my mind. Now I’m in stage three – I’m sane and the
rest of the world is nuts! And, whether you guys like it or not
[looks to camera], that’s where I am today. And I’m
comfortable with it.
support of you, Bob, there’s a guy called Michael Relfe who
published a book called The
Have you heard his story? Does it ring a bell?
I’ve heard the name, I think, but I’m not familiar with
In a nutshell, Michael Relfe, who worked, I believe, for the US
Bob: [clears throat]
Bill: ...recovered memories that showed that, back in the
1970s, he had
been taken to Mars on a tour of duty that lasted over twenty years.
And when that tour of duty was completed, then he, too, was returned
back to his original timeline, the moment after he left it, with his
surprise me a bit. Now,
you can’t get mainstream establishment scientists to listen to
that, without saying, ‘Poppycock! Balderdash! It can’t
be.’ It’s like Stanton Friedman says, ‘They say it
can’t be, so it isn’t.’
we’re not trying to talk to the mainstream scientists here.
fact, they’re the worst!
probably talking to the twelve-year-old kids, who say, ‘Yeah,
that sounds pretty cool and it sounds real to me.’
your twelve-year-old kids are more broad minded than some of our
be establishment scientists later.
they... Well, that’s because they haven’t been through
our educational system and been programmed...
right. Their minds have not been stunted! Yeah.
programmed for a number of years.
been very clear to us, for quite a while, that we’re primarily
talking to the future
not the present establishment. We’re talking...
course you are. You’re talking to people of tomorrow.
talking to the kids! And the kids are our future. And if we can wake
them, point them in the right direction and inoculate them against
what they’re being told by their teachers, then that helps the
ball roll even faster.
So, but, tell us about your experience, disappearing for six... months?
Bob: Six weeks. It shocked the hell out of me!
Kerry: Where did
don’t know! I don’t know whether I was on their home
planet, or whether they’d taken me through a doorway, a portal
into another dimension. I heard the name [Melina] mentioned as to
where we were.
this interview, where I say that I was with them for six weeks –
they brought me back five minutes after they took me. But I
remembered six weeks. Are we on-camera?
Kerry: We are.
right. Well, look. People said, ‘What did you eat?’ And I
said, ‘I asked for bacon and eggs. I had steaks. I had pork
chops. Just about anything I wanted, I got.’ I
went to the bathroom. My physical functions continued for six weeks.
I literally lived six weeks with them. And you ask me where and I
can’t tell you where. The name [Melina] came up and I don’t
know whether that was the city. Because it appeared to be a city of
some kind, a community. There were libraries. There were audience
halls, lecture halls. God, the libraries you wouldn’t believe.
this a very advanced society?
Know I ask about this. I never saw a fire department, a fire truck. I
never saw a cop. I got the impression, there was no such thing as a
the people that I was introduced to, people I got to see in six
weeks, were very human. Look just like we do. But there was something
about them that was totally different. They had an air of
peacefulness. They had an air of incredible knowledge.
did you do during that time? Why did they take you? And what...
Bob: I asked
questions and was shown things.
Bob: As I said, the things that impressed me the most,
libraries, the records. You would call them Akashic
I guess. I was told that, in this one facility, that every event in
the history of the Universe was there, to be retrieved at will. If
you wish, you could bring down, download literally, Ancient Greece,
the Pyramids, Ancient Sumer, the first Anunnaki visit to Planet Earth
two hundred thousand years ago. It was all there.
life of every human that had ever lived on this planet was all there
in that library. Now, can you imagine the computer technology that
would allow that – that where you can retrieve it at a poke of
a button – and there it is. you get a wide-screen. You can literally
The history of the human race was there.
you had the experience that Billy Doo had?
was shocked. Bill, I damn near died. It was not what they were
sharing with me and what they were showing me. It was the shock of
it’s very close to when people have a near death experience.
And they go over. And they look around. And they see the reality that
they’re literally a part of, that they were part of, before
they incarnated here, that they’ll be a part of it when they
depart from here.
when you see that... I don’t think... Most of the people I’ve
talked to, who have experimented with near death experiences –
very few people want to come back.
Bob: Some people have begged
to stay there.
Bob: Now, the shock is coming back and comparing what I
had seen, with
what I’ve got here.
Bob: Now, I’ve got a body that’s beginning to fall apart
me. It’s not a lot of fun. It’s painful. I look around
and I see the heartbreak. Not only do I see the war. I have a
grandson who is dying from wounds he received in Iraq.
sigh] I’m growing older. I’m losing all of my old
friends. They’re going home. Wendell was happy to leave. I
won’t say that tomorrow night in the ceremony involving him.
But he was. He was ready. He told me a year ago, ‘Bob I’m
tired, I want to go home.’ And he knew where ‘home’
But the shock, the psychic shock that I have experienced... And I
told you on that... when I spoke yesterday, why I use the story of
Billy Doo, because literally, it happened to me. The psychic shock of
seeing what I saw and being exposed to what I had been exposed to,
and coming back here. It damn near devastated me. [clears throat]
it devastated you, or are you talking about your original exposure?
whole thing, honey, has devastated me. I’ve been through three
also enlightened you. It’s also made you a lot wiser.
yeah. I think that was purpose of taking me.
They shook me up, physically and spiritually.
a book called Don’t
Fear to Kill a Dead Man.
That’s the title.
Fear to Kill a Dead Man.
Kerry: Humans... Before you’re awakened, for all intents
asleep. It’s a form of death.
Well, I’ve been asleep. I’ve been asleep.
Bill: What year...?
Kerry: So, it is a shock to wake up.
Bob: I’ve had three marriages. I’ve fought in three wars.
I’ve had three careers. And I jokingly say, ‘Make that
four wars,’ after looking at my second marriage. Anyhow, the
shock of coming back and compar...
year did...? What year was this, Bob? What year did it happen?
God... It was somewhere around... I came out of the... I started
speaking publicly in ‘91. It must have been in the early two
thousands, two thousand and two or three, somewhere in there.
mean, that’s the year when you had this experience you’re
talking about, where you...
was gone for six weeks.
Kerry: You were gone for six weeks.
Bob: And then I find out, I was only gone from here for
Now, you try to put that in your pipe and smoke it. And when I
jokingly told you earlier, that I went through these stages, where I
thought I was losing my mind and that I convinced myself that I had
lost my mind.
Bob: And now I’m at stage three, where the rest of the
nuts and I’m the only sane person there is, other than you nice
but that is... somewhere in the two thousand three, or two thousand
I think that we’re all in that place at some point.
We’re not all in that place! Ninety percent of the world is
still in dreamland!
mean people like us, people that have been through experiences like
this. We do
tend to look at the rest of the world as if they are crazy, because
they appear crazy.
look at the wars! War is insane! A sane person would never, never go
the six weeks I spent with them and, of course, I see them regularly.
I really am... They take me aboard ship. I’ve been on board
their ships many, many times. I get an evaluation. I think I get a
kind of a healing.
Do you want to describe the beings you’re talking about?
Well, aside from the medical guys that look me over and work on me on
the ships, which are extremely tall and very thin... They’re
well over six feet. Six five, maybe seven feet. Very thin, very trim.
They’re not emaciated. I mean they look very healthy, but aside
from that, they look human.
I’ve never gotten used to the way they look at you! That really
is disturbing. And, if you ever encounter one and you may have, very
likely you have, the way they look at you is disconcerting. Because
they have a way of looking at you [bends over toward Kerry/Bill and
peers at them intently] deeply into your eyes. And they lock onto
your eyes and they don’t break away.
we humans don’t do this, because we humans have a tradition
where we look into each other’s eyes. And after a moment or
two, it becomes somewhat threatening.
Bob: You see? So, the human tradition is, don’t look into
eyes, because you’re a threat.
they look into your eyes, and they look through you.
unless you’re in love with them!
look... They look... Well, they’re like reading you and I found
out that that’s exactly what they’re doing.
Kerry: Mm-hm. Sure.
Bob: And every time I’ve face-to-face with one, and they
my eyes, I find it kind of an awkward situation. And they don’t
look away. And you know that they’re looking right through you
and reading every damn thought you’ve got! Now, that’s
I assume that when they do that, it’s in a non-judgmental way?
they don’t judge you. They don’t have to judge you. Good
God. If there’s any judgment involved, we judge ourselves.
Kerry: Mm-hm. Yes.
Bob: That’s the other part of it that is so shocking.
you learn to see yourself, not only as others see you, but as they
understand and see you... That’s one of the things that happens
in the death experience. The judgment is there, but God is not
judging you. You judge yourself.
Bob: And that’s the worst part about it, because every
experience in your entire life is there in front of you like a book.
Bill: Yeah. You look at...
Bob: Like a movie. Like a cinemascope movie. And you look
and then you’re the worst judge of all, when you look at
yourself and say, ‘Oh
in the death experience – and I’ve been through that
hundreds of times – you feel the emotions of every person
you’ve ever been involved with, in all of your lives. Every
hurt that you’ve ever given someone else. Every insult that
you’ve ever given anyone else. You judge it. You see it. You
feel it. You
literally feel it – you re-live it!
[gesturing upwards with hand] visiting with them is almost like a
near death experience, but the psychic shock is coming back and
comparing what I saw with them and what I have to see here every day.
kids on the street that are hungry. People waging war. The people
being gunned down in Tripoli by Qaddafi. And I’ve learned over
the years to look around and pay attention. I don’t miss very
much. I trained myself. And when you see that and you feel it and it
breaks your heart [shuddering a bit] to see that [sighs] and to feel
that. And then you understand, I think, why I want to go home and
where I’m tired. I really am.
Kerry: [I know.]
Bob: But I’m going to hang around a little longer, because
upwards] I have been told to.
you’re a guiding light to many people.
had one of the best compliments I’ve ever received, yesterday.
A young man came up to me and he says, ‘You know you’re a
bridge builder.’ And I says, ‘That was the origin of the
old word Pontiff.’
You know, with the pope?
Bob: The Pontiff? A bridge builder.
Bob: People don’t know that. Many people, even most
know that... that Pontiff means ‘builder of bridges.’ And
that was a compliment. And I gave him a hug and I thanked him for
that, because that told me that, yeah, maybe I’ve been
accomplishing a few things.
you’ve done more than you think!
if you say so, but I’m holding onto enough ego to live, because
you can’t survive on this planet without a little bit of ego.
But I don’t think I have any vanity left!
for every person who comes up to you in person, to give you a
compliment, there are a thousand or ten thousand who don’t, and
who feel the same thing and they never communicate to you. This is
what we’ve discovered.
to you two guys! As I said, you’ve turned me into a damn
celebrity and I didn’t want to be!
we did was turn... All we did, was take a camera and point it at you.
And the rest is history, as they say!
of the vegetarians who are watching this, perhaps, will say, ‘Shame
Bob: [Eating] bacon and eggs, ham, pork chops, all
been my life, for God’s sake! Well, they [gestures upwards] fed me
bacon and eggs, ham, pork chops, steak, anything I wanted. And people
have said, when I’ve shared this with a few – ‘Were
you perhaps eating vegetarian and didn’t know it? That maybe
they made you think you were eating steak?’ And I said, ‘Well,
maybe they did, but it sure as hell tasted good. Tasted like a good
T-bone to me!’ And the bacon and eggs were superb.
Bob: ‘Well what do they eat?’
I’ll be frank with you. I don’t know. I never watched
them eat. They never ate in front of me. But they sure as hell looked
healthy. So they’d... not any of them had missed many meals.
this experience only happen once, Bob?
experience, being gone six weeks and taken there, wherever I was...
As I told you, I didn’t know whether I was in a city, on
another planet or wherever. Maybe I dreamed and slipped through a
portal into another dimension. [sighs]
Kerry: Okay. Bob?
Bill: Yup. Yup.
Bob: That happened once, but I’ve been aboard their ships
times. And I’ve met many of them face-to-face. I’m almost
I get into an altered state in the middle of the night. I’ve
been doing a lot of remote viewing. And I can put myself in an
altered state like Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle. And I go out.
sometimes when I’m in that altered state, they come in. And,
I’ve chided them for this and other people who have had this
experience will agree and understand what I’m saying. I’ve
chided them with this. They pour information into my head that’s
like Niagara Falls. I mean, it comes pouring in and I’m almost
unable to deal with the volume of it. But I’ve asked for that,
so I can’t complain about it. But it, it...
Bill: Information about what, Bob?
Bob: Everything. Life, death, infinity, tomorrow,
yesterday. I told you,
in an interview, that I’ve gotten to a point, where I really
can’t tell the difference between yesterday, today and
tomorrow. Because, with my recall of past lives, that is as vivid as
living [it] again.
Bob: And here I am, at this moment in time, in this place,
this. And then I’ve seen the future.
Bill: What have you seen in the future, Bob?
Bob: Well, the thing that keeps me hopeful and positive,
is that I’ve
seen a gorgeous future. I’ve seen a beautiful future for the
human race. I’ve seen a future for this species like I saw at
for six weeks, of what it can be.
Bill: Could you describe that for the people watching this
video, for whom
a positive vision would be so valuable for them to join you in
Bob: [sighs] Well, I try to say it, Bill. I try to say it
I’m at a conference. You’re in for difficult times.
That’s what living on planet Earth is all about. It’s a
tough school. And I’ve said to people, and many people
understand exactly what I’m saying. When you’re going to
school on planet Earth, you’re in one of the toughest schools
in the Universe.
if you get a certificate from planet Earth. Hey, I’ve
got a certif... I have a silver certificate. They showed me
that I have a silver certificate. One day, outside the lecture hall,
they took me to the library, and there was a table with scrolls all
over the table. And they picked one up and said, ‘This is
yours.’ And it was roll... wrapped in a silver binder. And I
intuitively said, ‘But I want one of gold,’ being an ornery cuss, as I
they said, ‘Not yet.’
Bill: [quietly laughs]
Bob: This is... You’ve earned this. I gathered that I
enough to have a silver certificate, but I haven’t got the gold
one yet. Now, when you get the gold one, you graduate.
Bob: And I’m...
Kerry: That was a few years ago.
Kerry: Maybe you’re working on your gold one at this time.
Bob: [chuckles] Well...
Bill: What’s the future, Bob, that you would like to leave
with, to envisage a being a real possibility for all of us to share?
Bob: Well, it’s difficult, Bill. I mean, you try to put it
words. Because so much of my conversations with them has been –
talk about subliminal – it’s been a psychic exchange,
where they show me and share things with me, where words are never
needed. I think you understand what I’m saying here.
Kerry: [nods affirmatively]
Bill: I understand what you’re saying.
Bob: It’s... I guess it’s a type of telepathy, because I
seen, many times in my visit there, that they didn’t seem to
talk to each other verbally very much, but they all seemed to know
what each and every one was doing. They were communicating with each
other subliminally or...
would leave in closing, just briefly – there is no death.
People should not fear death. Now, there are a lot of not very nice
ways to die. But there is no end. There is no death.
is a spark of pure divinity, and there is a God. And that is
something that I need to stress again and again and again, because
I’ve been asked, ‘Am I an atheist? Do I believe in God?’
And I say, ‘No, I don’t believe in God. I know,
because I have experienced that.’
I would tell people who are troubled and worried, that the next few
years are going to be awkward and difficult, but that’s what
living on Earth is about. But, there is a future for the human
species. The race is going to make this transition, and at the other
end of this, it’s going to be glorious. And I tell mothers, I
said, ‘You know, your kids or grandkids, the future will be
theirs.’ And then, like I said in Barcelona, which the Spaniards
seemed to appreciate, ‘Your children and grandchildren are
going to the stars.’
they seemed to like to hear that. But it’s true. And we are, as
a species, as a race, going to go out there and take our rightful
place with these other incredible cultures and civilizations. And
having seen the future, I’m hopeful. And I have this good
friend from Galilee 2,000 years ago, who was and still is my best
friend, who tried to make that point again and again and again. And
those of us who were with him at that time were a bunch of ‘nitwits’
and we didn’t begin to grasp what he was trying to tell us. But
he really, essentially, was telling us what I’ve just told you.
The human race is not a mistake. It’s not an accident. And
there is a purpose and there is a meaning in life. And there is a
future. And don’t be afraid. And that’s about all I can
Bill: For me Bob, that’s a fabulous message to end with.
you, thank you for that.
Kerry: Thank you, Bob. [shakes Bob’s hand]
Bill: Do you have anything else?
Kerry: We have nothing else to add to that.
Bill: We have nothing else. [shakes Bob’s hand]
Kerry: Lovely. Lovely, lovely statement.
Bob: Oh, I know you do. You have questions you haven’t
Kerry: Well, we’re going to let you go at this point.
Unless you have
something that you haven’t said, after all this time.
Bob: There’s a hell of a lot I haven’t said.
Kerry: Well... I know this, but I give you a lot of
Bob: But, as I jokingly told you one time... Well...
Kerry: ...believe it or not, even though I seem like
Bob: Well, I jokingly told you one time, and I’m serious.
get me a good Jack Daniels, I might go on for two hours and tell you
things that would curl your hair.
Bob: Being a gentle, gentle lady as you are, I could share
you, that you wouldn’t believe.
Kerry: Well, I’d like you to try.
Bob: Let me tell you something else that Yeshua said. He
said there are
things that I could tell you, that you could not bear. But he was
talking about life on this planet.
Kerry: Hmm. Sure.
Bob: And as he was getting ready to leave, he said, ‘The
this world comes. He has no dominion over me. But I will send a
comforter to you, until I see you again.’ And I often wondered
about who the Prince of this world was, who didn’t have any
dominion over him.
Bob: And I have learned since, that every planet has a
kind of a
caretaker, an authority. Every system has a higher authority.
Bob: And the galaxy is divided into four parts, quadrants.
And that the
Galactic Federation Headquarters isn’t even in our galaxy. Now,
that’s pretty hard stuff to walk away with. You say that to
people and they go [frowns, holds the side of his head with his hand
and looks befuddled]. Well, good. It’s something to take home
with and then think about that night, instead of watching TV.
Kerry: Okay, but you’ve got to understand that if you’re
any of that – you’re watching TV, you’re watching
movies... You’ve been on the Internet, certainly. Then there’s
all kinds of information of that sort out there now. And I know that
you don’t spend hours on the Internet.
Bob: [clears throat] [sighs] I avoid it like the plague.
Let me tell
Kerry: So, I can tell you, that that information is not
Bob: Well, let me tell you something that might shock the
hell out of you
and maybe it won’t, because you’re a pretty bright kid.
Bob: What if you were to tell the average guy out there,
that this is a
Kerry: That’s out there. We know that.
Bob: See? It doesn’t bother you.
Bill: The average
guy out there.
Kerry: Well, yes.
Bob: You prepared yourself. What if I told you, that what
you think you
see is a reality, is not reality at all? It’s an illusion.
Bob: And then even further, what if I were to infer to
you, that all of
this is part of a program? I know you’re familiar with the
Bob: Okay. Well, you’re pretty close. Shakespeare tried to
clear and I [was] always convinced that that guy was one of them
[points straight up]. He was a genius. And I’m not even sure
the guy we think of as Shakespeare was Shakespeare.
Bob: There are some indications that it was someone else,
Bill: Mm-hm. Yeah.
Kerry: That’s right.
Bill: But somebody wrote it. [_____ (inaudible)]
Bob: Anyhow, I’d always liked the analogy of the play.
a player in a play.
Kerry: That’s right.
Bob: You come in, stage right. You prance about with your
[makes sword fighting gestures] You make love. [makes kissing sounds]
You go through all this. You have heartbreaks, misery, feuds, fights.
God, all the plays together, bring it together. And then, after it’s
over with, you exit stage left. And the audience [makes clapping
gesture] out there in the Universe calls for author, author, author.
Well, I happened to know there is an author. And there is a producer.
And there is a director. I haven’t met the original author yet,
but I know of him. I know him. I know of him. But we’re all
living a play.
Kerry: Yes, but we are also co-creators of that play.
Bob: [clears throat] Oh. When you’re in the middle of the
and you’re following the script, as it were. But you’re...
What’s the word? ‘Adding?’
Bob: Improvising, adding your own words.
Bob: You’re ad-libbing. Yes. You’re doing a lot of
and the degree of your ad-lib depends on how many lifetimes you may
have lived. But we’re in a play, kid. This interview is just a
tiny chapter in a much larger play.
Kerry: Is there any other little pieces of information
that’s where... The wider you open the door for people...
Kerry: ...the more they are able to go through the door
and carry on from
here. It’s like passing a baton.
Kerry: So you can pass the baton anytime.
Bob: I’m not quite ready yet, to pass the baton.
Kerry: All right. But there’s little steps...
Bob: And I’m going to tell you, that there are things I
could share with you, which have not. And I’m going to save one
or two of those for maybe another interview.
Kerry: Okay. [chuckles] Fair enough!
Kerry: We’re not going anywhere. [chuckles] We’re going to
here for you, anytime you ask. Right here, today, tonight, there are
people going on that stage, telling lies.
Bob: Oh. Just before we came here, you saw a classic
example of –
what is it – ‘obfuscation’?
Bob: An elderly gentleman, a retired military officer, tap
sound effects and gestures] all over the damn place.
Kerry: [chuckles] Exactly.
Bob: Yes. And he didn’t fool anybody.
Kerry: No? So that’s why I’m saying...
Bob: Least of all... [chuckles]
Kerry: Right the scales. Throw out some truth.
Bob: I did.
Kerry: Yes you did, but you don’t...
Bob: Life is everlasting. Life is infinite.
Kerry: No, not the philosophical kind.
Bob: You are an immortal being. Well, those are the only things
really interest me anymore.
Kerry: I know. I hear you.
Bob: I know what you’re looking for.
Kerry: I don’t have any Jack Daniels right this minute
Bob: You’re looking for the down and dirty stuff about
the military industrial group, the shadow government... the next
Kerry: Oh, well, I wasn’t going to ask you to predict the
That I wasn’t going to do.
Bob: Well, I already did.
Bob: The future is bright.
Kerry: Yes, absolutely the very long range. That’s very
Bob: But there’s some bumpy... There’s a bumpy road
now and then.
Kerry: I hear you. All right. Are we done?
Bill: What I would like to say, Bob, is that this is good
enough for me.
And let me shake your hand a second time. [shakes Bob’s hand]
Bob: Thank you. Thank you.
Bill: Thank you, sir. I look forward to the next one.
Bob: She’s never quite finished, is she?
Kerry: No. Absolutely not.
Bill: She’s never quite finished.
Bob: Well, I love her dearly.
Bob: I’ve adopted her, sort of.
Bill: And so do I.
Bob: [clears throat]
Kerry: Okay. Well, thank you very much, Bob. [shakes Bob’s
Bob: Sweetheart, it’s my pleasure.
Kerry: You take care. And we’ll come and share some Jack
talk to you off-camera. [chuckles] And badger you some more.
Bob: Is it permissible for me to sip Jack Daniels
Bob: Well, okay. We’ll do it next time.
Kerry: All right.
Bob: [clears throat]
Kerry: Watch out, because I’m going to hold you to that.
Bob: The closer I get to departure, I might share a couple
of things with
Kerry: Okay. Well, you have my number.
Bill: Where were they? Is that...? Is this...?
Kerry: Well, I’m just not going to let you get away with
That’s all, Bob.
Bob: Oh, I would never think of that, at all. I’m a...
Kerry: Yeah, right. It’s just that, you’re kind of a...
Bob: Go ahead, use the word you were thinking of. [laughs]
Bill: [laughs] Yes. A wily old... [laughs] [background
music starts and
cuts out audio, but video continues]
Bob: [smiles then laughs, shakes head] Look, I’ve been
Bob: People have to get in line to insult me anymore,
because it doesn’t
here for the video presentation
| Support Project Avalon
- make a donation:
Thank you for your help.
Your generosity enables us to continue our work.