Questions for the 'Healers'

[Scarab]

I have questions and 'Gaia Love' asked me to make a new thread so here goes.

Criticism and or negative input is not conducive to healing and therefore not welcome on this thread.
If you have questions or critiques please message members directly or start a relevant thread.

Thank You

QUESTIONS FOR THE 'HEALERS' HERE
(I have no criticism, only questions)


1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?


2. It's been stated that:

I can only act when assured that the person so named has consented and will accept the healing offered.

Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?


3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?


4. Someone said:

440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin....

Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?


5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?






Those are my questions for now.

Please don't take this as 'criticism' or 'negativity'. They are honest questions which I would like to have answered. Being a 'healer' is a serious claim with serious implications. Anyone who makes this claim should be required to back it up with some verifiable proof and should welcome these questions.

People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know. If (and I do mean IF) anyone here is NOT really a healer, then posing as one is a cruel fraud.

So, in the spirit of full disclosure, will the 'healers' please check in here and put the rest of us at ease about their abilities?

[tone3jaguar]

5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?


You would not believe me if I told you.

[THE eXchanger]

You would not believe me if I told you.

likely he would NOT, although we know YOU CAN ;)

[hollylindin]

You would not believe me if I told you.

Please tell, Tone! Next time I see your work, I'll sing your praises. :)

<3

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[Scarab]

(are you trying to purposely, ask TRICK questions)

No. Are you trying to give trick answers?

(BTW - Himmler was succesful and it's still at A440)

[14 Chakras]

Perhaps the cause and core of disease is not found in the material, rather in the energy field, in the spiritual.

Sure you can't see it with your 5 senses, but does that mean it's not real?

Ever look into quantum physics? What is matter made out of? Atoms. What are Atoms made out of? Virtually nothing.

Pure energy.

Everything is made out of Pure Energy, it's a scientific fact. E=MC2 right? Energy and Matter are the same thing, interchangeable.

Matter is vibrating energy.

Shift the energy, shift the matter.

Change the matter, are you changing the underlying cause? Or are you just making a cosmetic improvement?

Skepticism is reasonable, but discernment is much more valuable. Skeptics argued the earth was flat. Skeptics don't move society forward, they try and hold it back.

If you ever want to be amazed and wowed by energy work, check out a Matrix Energetics conference sometime, I was blown away by what goes on there... you learn to work with energy and it's virtually impossible to argue with it after you go see it for yourself... http://www.matrixenergetics.com/

Everything is made out of energy, including US, and when we start to connect to that reality, we can move both science and religion forward in a way that is symbiotic rather than in this never ending war of who is right when both the purely material, and God in the sky approach are both dead ends...

[Scarab]

Perhaps the cause and core of disease is not found in the material, rather in the energy field, in the spiritual.

Sure you can't see it with your 5 senses, but does that mean it's not real?

Ever look into quantum physics? What is matter made out of? Atoms. What are Atoms made out of? Virtually nothing.

Pure energy.

Everything is made out of Pure Energy, it's a scientific fact. E=MC2 right? Energy and Matter are the same thing, interchangeable.

Matter is vibrating energy.

Shift the energy, shift the matter.

Change the matter, are you changing the underlying cause? Or are you just making a cosmetic improvement?

Skepticism is reasonable, but discernment is much more valuable. Skeptics argued the earth was flat. Skeptics don't move society forward, they try and hold it back.

If you ever want to be amazed and wowed by energy work, check out a Matrix Energetics conference sometime, I was blown away by what goes on there... you learn to work with energy and it's virtually impossible to argue with it after you go see it for yourself... http://www.matrixenergetics.com/

Everything is made out of energy, including US, and when we start to connect to that reality, we can move both science and religion forward in a way that is symbiotic rather than in this never ending war of who is right when both the purely material, and God in the sky approach are both dead ends...

I understand your theory. But healing is a physical act with physical consequences that should be physically verifiable.

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[Anchor]

QUESTIONS FOR THE 'HEALERS' HERE
(I have no criticism, only questions)

Actually what you have are "loaded" questions, but they are easy to work around so I will try.


1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?

No. No. N/a.

I have been a part of the healing process at various times for animals, people, and myself. I dont heal, I just allow myself to contribute my focussed intent to the problems that "I" decide to engage in.


2. It's been stated that: "I can only act when assured that the person so named has consented and will accept the healing offered"

I concur with that statement. There are principles of freewill at stake. Since we are all responsible for our acts, thoughts words and deeds - we are responsible for not infringing on anothers freewill.

Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?

Have people turned down offers of assistance or withheld permission - YES
Have I ever turned down a face to face request in "real life" to help - NO.
Have I ever ignored a general request for healing on a forum. I am afraid to admit, but yes I have.

3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?

The healer does not have a success rate. Often the healer or one contributing to a healing effort will never know the outcome. Healing, by intent is an unconditional act of love.

Science as we know it today has no chance to engage meaningfully here. I know for example that I have a metaphysical component to my body that todays conventional medical science refuses to acknowledge - until that day of recognition comes it will not be possible to give you what you ask.

4. Someone said: "440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin.... "

Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?

I was not. It would not surprise me that Heinrich Himmler had access to information that we dont. My original introduction to the Solfeggio was via a website known as AstroVera. There was no mention of that gem to my recollection. I would appreciate some references so that I can follow this up. I find music that uses Solfeggio frequencies is very soothing. I dont vouch for specific outcomes.

Is A440 a solfeggio frequency ?

I thought the ancient scale was: 396, 417 528, 639, 741, 852 Hz.

I dont see 440 there - In fact I didnt realise that it had any healing properties - perhaps an error?

5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?

I have been involved in healing. It is a control of nature - and the answers are yes.

Those are my questions for now.

Please don't take this as 'criticism' or 'negativity'.

I dont - and I appreciate you starting the new thread.

They are honest questions which I would like to have answered. Being a 'healer' is a serious claim with serious implications. Anyone who makes this claim should be required to back it up with some verifiable proof and should welcome these questions.

I am a healer. Take it or leave it. The real problem is when people start making claims that they can get guaranteed results and raising false expectations.

There is no proof. You cant test it. All you can do is try your best and see what happens.

People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know. If (and I do mean IF) anyone here is NOT really a healer, then posing as one is a cruel fraud.

We are all healers. You are too. The difference is you may not see it the way I do. When you comfort a hurt child you are healing. The spirit of love is moving through you and you are healing. No science, no promises, just love.

A..

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[14 Chakras]

Are you sure that 'healing is a physical act'?

Why are doctors not called healers?

Is the current physical medical system designed to heal?

Why is it that the solution for the majority of health problems is continued use of medications?

Why is it that society is as unhealthy as ever? (while certainly we've made progress since the dark ages, it should be very clear that generally speaking people are far from 'healthy').

Is it possible that our own consciousness, our own energy, negative energy, creates our disease? Is it possible it's karmic? Returning energy?

Is it possible that until we fix our own consciousness, we will continue to experience the return of our own energy being sent out as disease and suffering?

Does the current medical industrial complex heal people? No, I do not believe it does. More often than not, one of their solutions leads to another problem. Take one drug, and you'll need another to deal with the side effects. They don't heal, very often they make you more sick!

True healing will occur when the cause and core of the problem is addressed. The physical world we live in is truly an output of our own consciousness.

Heal the consciousness, heal the body. Ignore the consciousness, remain sick in both soul and body.

[Scarab]

@Anchor

Thank you for the sincere answers.

I don't understand why 'healers' can't heal in a hospital.

I will try to find you some info on the Himmler reference.

I anxiously await more sincere responses like yours.

[Scarab]

Himmler-adopted a standard of a concert at A440


Yes. The question is WHY?

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[14 Chakras]

I don't understand why 'healers' can't heal in a hospital.


Consider it is the other way around. Hospitals will not allow healers to heal in hospitals. How many doctors in hospitals right now are hired to try out techniques that involve energy healing, consciousness healing, or alternative techniques other than what the medical industrial complex approves of?

You might say, well that's because they don't work. However, I have personally meant many people who claim they were healed of diseases, including cancer, from alternative techniques.

Is it possible the system is run by dark forces that do not want people to heal, rather they want to keep the people sick and dependent on their system so that humanity remains trapped in their own self created prison, the illusion of separation, the illusion that what our 5 senses tell us is all there is and we are stuck with it until we die?

[hollylindin]

Consider it is the other way around. Hospitals will not allow healers to heal in hospitals. How many doctors in hospitals right now are hired to try out techniques that involve energy healing, consciousness healing, or alternative techniques other than what the medical industrial complex approves of?

You might say, well that's because they don't work. However, I have personally meant many people who claim they were healed of diseases, including cancer, from alternative techniques.

Is it possible the system is run by dark forces that do not want people to heal, rather they want to keep the people sick and dependent on their system so that humanity remains trapped in their own self created prison, the illusion of separation, the illusion that what our 5 senses tell us is all there is and we are stuck with it until we die?

100%. :thumb_yello:

[Scarab]

i will have to count, how many courses, etc.,
that i have taken, once, there was over 22 of them
most at master/or teacher levels
(none from diploma mills)

~although in the work i do, i do NOT make claims
instead, i do 'the job' for as, long as it takes to accomplish it

~i am in the process of editing a lot of testimonals
(most, are outside, of what the law says, you can say)

~yes, some people did have medical proof

The first rule of healing is this: make NO claims

because in a 3D world, there are laws, that prevent you,
for doing so !!!

and, The second rule of healing is this:
it does NOT happen only in the 3D world
people are much more complicated,
than having just 3 tiers to them

What I don't understand here is this:

If you are such an adept healer with so much education, and you cannot make any claims about your success (because the medical establishment/government wants to keep you down)....

Why do you have an affiliate link to a second rate vitamin website with a multi-level marketing scheme in your signature? Are you not compensated enough for your 'healing' sessions?

As a follow up question.

I've noticed your signature change a lot over the past year or so. It almost always has one or more affiliate links to something. I assume you have been trying to find a program that will generate income from the readers here at Avalon. Is that a correct assumption?

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[Scarab]

No. Are you trying to give trick answers?

(BTW - Himmler was succesful and it's still at A440)

I apologize. It was Joseph Goebbels, not Heinrich Himmler.

[Wormhole]

Scarab,
Have you not had the experience of healing another through energy, intention, or prayer? Would you like to experience this? There are many who could help you have this experience (through study) to see the results first hand (physically if you desire such an experience). There are many web sites, many testimonials, and a great deal of library knowledge available to EVERYONE who is seeking. Even here in the Avalon archives, at the tips of your fingers. Please research this and then come back with your personal discoveries.

I suggest that an open door is more interesting then a closed one.

I wish you the best in your journey and welcome your heart.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

PS,
I see also that you are digging for some truth, please speak plainly and enlighten us. What have you uncovered that you believe we should know and understand?

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[Wormhole]

I see this is a conversation between two others that I have no prior knowledge of, I am respectfully nodding a hello to you both and bowing out of the discourse. I send you both (Scarab and Susan) love and hope that the civility or conversation in the future will find a higher understanding.

Peace be with you,
Worm

[THE eXchanger]

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[Shairia]

I don't understand why 'healers' can't heal in a hospital.


Speaking for myself, I don't find hospitals condusive to healing. Having experienced both types of treatments (traditional medicine and holistic treatments) I prefer my home environment to any institutional setting. I don't run the risk of picking up antibiotic resistant bacterial infections at home and being exposed to other's illnesses.

Healing requires a desire to get well, which requires trust in the person treating you. From experience I find most MDs don't have the time to devote to adequate diagnosis and treatment and are too trusting of what is taught in Medical Schools.

[Zeddo]

removed by me.....pearls before swine.....
Z

[Scarab]

We have chosen to NOT respond to your question,
nor, to answer, the other 3 out of 5 questions

You have chosen to remove the answer you gave. Be honest.

[Scarab]

As to why he did it, we don't have a clue


Do you think he took time out from WWII to pioneer the effort because he was worried about people with skin rashes?

Another 'healer' here said:
440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin....

[Scarab]

@zeddo

I assume you took photos of the miracle tumor removal? Hit the talk show circuit, got written up in a local paper?

[Scarab]

we have chosen NOT to repond to this thread

Will the healing claims stop now too?

[THE eXchanger]

You have chosen to remove the answer you gave. Be honest.

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

[THE eXchanger]

Will the healing claims stop now too?

we did NOT make any healing claims !

[THE eXchanger]

You have chosen to remove the answer you gave. Be honest.

Yes, we did choose to remove - our postings, from your thread

[Scarab]

we did NOT make any healing claims !

Yes, you did.

You said you've taken at least 22 high level courses and you are currently working on editing your client testimonials that endorsed your healing abilities.

(paraphrasing because now you've removed the post)
Added:

Oops. Found it :)

i will have to count, how many courses, etc.,
that i have taken, once, there was over 22 of them
most at master/or teacher levels
(none from diploma mills)

~although in the work i do, i do NOT make claims
instead, i do 'the job' for as, long as it takes to accomplish it

~i am in the process of editing a lot of testimonals
(most, are outside, of what the law says, you can say)

~yes, some people did have medical proof

End of addition

Who is 'we'. Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

[no caste]

1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?
2. Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?
3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?
4. Someone said: Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?
5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?

I'm not a healer either.

1. Hospitals are accustomed to scalpels and pharmaceuticals.
2. Yes.
3. There is one boy - maybe he's a man now - who was/is a miracle healer, verifiably, as far as I know. I've read his book:

http://www.dreamhealer.com/files/imagecache/book_node_120px/files/dh1_cnd.jpg

It would have to do with remote viewing, energy patterns, synergies, a lot of stuff that, say, James Casbolt would talk about, except not weaponized, naturally.

4. Yes. I've read about that Goebbels, Himmler, One World Government, maybe WHO connection, based on Nazi science.

E.g. NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322096/pg2
Basically 432 is in tune with the natural pattern that all life adheres too. If you could hear a plant grow, or a human embryo, and measure its pitch it would be at 432HZ. But the Goebbels fan club knew that keeping things at 440hz then all people would be subjected to "interference patterns". And you get a world full of attention deficit disorder.

5. -

[THE eXchanger]

I see this is a conversation between two others that I have no prior knowledge of, I am respectfully nodding a hello to you both and bowing out of the discourse. I send you both (Scarab and Susan) love and hope that the civility or conversation in the future will find a higher understanding. Peace be with you, Worm

and, that is precisely, why-we made the choice, to NOT leave our responses here !!!

[Zeddo]

@zeddo

I assume you took photos of the miracle tumor removal? Hit the talk show circuit, got written up in a local paper?

you know what they say about "assume"? makes an ass out of u and me......more you than me however.

[Scarab]

you know what they say about "assume"? makes an ass out of u and me......more you than me however.

You could have just said 'no'. But that's fine. I understand.

[THE eXchanger]

you know what they say about "assume"?
makes an ass out of u and me......
more you than me however.

:thumb_yello: to Zeddo

[Scarab]

Just to make it clear.

This isn't about 'negative energy' or exposing anyone or anything.

I just think that if someone makes a claim, it should be honest and they should be able to back it up.

I didn't intend for this thread to become drama.

[mntruthseeker]

Yes healing can be done long distance and I have proof of that.

I have so many cases that it would take too long to write.


Anyone that thinks it can' t be done has much to learn

BTW Soffegio music healed me quite well..........I'm quite proud of the results

Do you suppose I am a witch ? :naughty:

A person doesnt have to have first hand knowledge that a healing is going to be done.............you need their name, city and state.

YES you can heal long distance.

[Scarab]

Yes healing can be done long distance and I have proof of that.

I have so many cases that it would take too long to write.


Anyone that thinks it can' t be done has much to learn

BTW Soffegio music healed me quite well..........I'm quite proud of the results

Do you suppose I am a witch ? :naughty:

A person doesnt have to have first hand knowledge that a healing is going to be done.............you need their name, city and state.

YES you can heal long distance.

Great. Then you'll tackle this for me.

Get going on this list please.

http://www.stjude.org

Once you're all done with that, I'll give you some more.

How long will it take you to finish?

Check back and let us know how you're progressing while we're waiting for more answers here.

[raulduke]

Scarab, this seems to be a topic of great interest to you. Do you have some personal experiences with healers?

Let me preface what follows by saying I am not a healer in the sence that you are refering to, and I have little experience with healers.

From what I have gathered from people on these kinda boards though, the problem you are having is a result of this statement:


People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know.


I don't think any healers here would ever tell anyone in need of healing that they can "put their lives in [my] hands." This red herring is why i believe your premise to be basically invalid, no one is saying that here, though if they were, I would agree with you on some levels.

They are simply trying to comfort as far as I can tell. I think u seem to think that they are claiming they can intstantly heal a broken leg or something like that. I see the healing thing in all aspects the way Anchor explained (to varying degrees) which is the sence that I am a healer as I do try to do what I can to comfort others when I see that they are hurting.




We are all healers. You are too. The difference is you may not see it the way I do. When you comfort a hurt child you are healing. The spirit of love is moving through you and you are healing. No science, no promises, just love.

A..

You must be able to understand this?

It's more emotional than physical, although from what I understand (and of course I could be wrong) the physical will often follow the emotional.

[rhythm]

hey Scarab can i tickle your
tummy ..
your a sweet little beetle ...

im sure under that hard shell

your just an old softee ..

namaste rhythmmm xxx

[Karen]

Call it what you want.

I gave a list of ailments privately to Tango.

I had a pain in my shoulder and a popping in my neck - for over a year.
Chiropracter and massage did not help.
Me poking around at it made it considerably worse.
Now, after a few weeks it is 90% better and not constantly nagging me with pain and popping.

I have a right knee that has given me trouble for 25 or so years.
Going up and down stairs inflames the knee and certain movements cause stabs of pain, and disturbs my sleep. That was 80% better, but trying to walk the stairs normally decreased that to 70%.

I am sensitive to EMF from computers and phones - face and ears turn bright red. I'd say that is now reduced by about 50% - that one is being the most stubborn to resolve.

But sometime ago I was having horrible stomach aches and a Gastro Intestinal bleed for over one month. The whole team was called into an emergency action and the whole forum into a Love Boost. The tummy quickly resolved these serious problems and now only gives me minor disturbances from time to time.

I cannot call it a placebo effect because I haven't gotten help from any therapies or supplements or anything else I thought would help and that cost me a great deal of money. Now here I have had all this help for free, Pay it Forward style, from the loving people here at Avalon.

Many thanks to the healers and all who sent love and caring!

Many Blessing to All,
Karen

[lightblue]

Originally Posted by eXchanger View Post
we have chosen NOT to repond to this thread

i wonder - who's WE in this comment?

the subject SCARAB brings up (re tuning/ frequencies) is very very interesting. would like to know more of what you know

bw

[Scarab]

Scarab, this seems to be a topic of great interest to you. Do you have some personal experiences with healers?

Let me preface what follows by saying I am not a healer in the sence that you are refering to, and I have little experience with healers.

From what I have gathered from people on these kinda boards though, the problem you are having is a result of this statement:



I don't think any healers here would ever tell anyone in need of healing that they can "put their lives in [my] hands." This red herring is why i believe your premise to be basically invalid, no one is saying that here, though if they were, I would agree with you on some levels.

They are simply trying to comfort as far as I can tell. I think u seem to think that they are claiming they can intstantly heal a broken leg or something like that. I see the healing thing in all aspects the way Anchor explained (to varying degrees) which is the sence that I am a healer as I do try to do what I can to comfort others when I see that they are hurting.




You must be able to understand this?

It's more emotional than physical, although from what I understand (and of course I could be wrong) the physical will often follow the emotional.

Comforting the sick and healing the sick are two different things. If certain members here offered to 'comfort' those who aren't well, that would be honest.

BUT. Some people here are making healing claims which are dubious.

Others have set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

[Scarab]

hey Scarab can i tickle your
tummy ..
your a sweet little beetle ...

im sure under that hard shell

your just an old softee ..

namaste rhythmmm xxx

Thanks. Some people I know would agree with you. Others wouldn't. :)

I have a sense of humor too.

YHxRkXrBMKo

[Northern Boy]

I just think that if someone makes a claim, it should be honest and they should be able to back it up

Scarab I find it strange that you would post some thing like this after what you Claimed in this thread about myself

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18470

I believe this was the post I`m referring to

I am contributing. You don't trust me. You will NOT believe me if I tell you. Yet, you ought to know.

It isn't easy to find out who owns it because it isn't in their best interest for you to know. However, it is public record if you know where to look.
__________________


When I asked for clarification as to why or what gave you reason to think there was am issue of mistrust between you and I you never gave a reason

So you made a claim and didn`t back it up but then attack another member over the same thing . I never attacked your non response to my request out of respect for your decision to do what you wished . That being the case here do you not think others should enjoy that same respect from you ? Maybe an apology to Susan for your behavior might be in order..............but I`ll leave that to your discretion

[Scarab]

Scarab I find it strange that you would post some thing like this after what you Claimed in this thread about myself

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18470

I believe this was the post I`m referring to


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When I asked for clarification as to why or what gave you reason to think there was am issue of mistrust between you and I you never gave a reason

So you made a claim and didn`t back it up but then attack another member over the same thing . I never attacked your non response to my request out of respect for your decision to do what you wished . That being the case here do you not think others should enjoy that same respect from you ? Maybe an apology to Susan for your behavior might be in order..............but I`ll leave that to your discretion

You could have just said "Thank you - I didn't know Fox News and the Bush family controlled C2C". But no. The lack of trust continues.

I will not apologize to Susan. I did nothing wrong.

[Northern Boy]

so be it I will abstain from your little games then


You could have just said "Thank you - I didn't know Fox News and the Bush family controlled C2C". But no. The lack of trust continues.

I did say thank you to the person that told me Fred you decided not to respond with the answer much like here. You seem to have the trust issue not I but enough said you continue you jorney and I`ll continue mine

[burgundia]

I didn't know Fox News and the Bush family controlled C2C".

.

i didn't know either.....:shocked:

[mntruthseeker]

I have questions and 'Gaia Love' asked me to make a new thread so here goes.



QUESTIONS FOR THE 'HEALERS' HERE
(I have no criticism, only questions)


1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?

YES YES YES YES

2. It's been stated that:


Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?

I can't answer that


3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?

Once a nurse just stared at me and asked me what I had done. I said nothing.............Its none of her business. I simply calmed my daughter in law down and made her labor easier. I got my sister off her deathbed and brought her home and its been 3 years now last Thanksgiving. Me, myself and I was completely healed of all these terrible deseases I was dianosed with RA, Fibro, Carpal & Tarsal tunnel, COPD, and I'm in great shape now except I still have ashma but thanks to chemtrails. ( I am still off oxygen after 4 years) and I can dance once again without pain or weakness


4. Someone said:



Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?

Soffegio tunes have had a great inpact on my life but that is not the tune that I use. 528Hz 396 Hz and others but not 440


5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?

NO, never tried....but I think that one no doubt can by asking Jesus the proper way. Such as asking without preconditions and feelings. Then walking away feeling as if it truly happened. I never tried it but heard Gregg Braden describe it and I do believe






Those are my questions for now.

Please don't take this as 'criticism' or 'negativity'. They are honest questions which I would like to have answered. Being a 'healer' is a serious claim with serious implications. Anyone who makes this claim should be required to back it up with some verifiable proof and should welcome these questions.

People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know. If (and I do mean IF) anyone here is NOT really a healer, then posing as one is a cruel fraud.

So, in the spirit of full disclosure, will the 'healers' please check in here and put the rest of us at ease about their abilities?


We all have the gift and we were all told this by Jesus. Ask and ye shall recieve......the problem is that when tptb got ahold of this information they distorted and took out some of the words. They re-wrote the bible and kept certain information out so to keep us dumbed down.


I am not saying I am anything special.........because I think we all are. You have to believe

[Scarab]

We all have the gift and we were all told this by Jesus. Ask and ye shall recieve......the problem is that when tptb got ahold of this information they distorted and took out some of the words. They re-wrote the bible and kept certain information out so to keep us dumbed down.


I am not saying I am anything special.........because I think we all are. You have to believe

How are you doing on the kids with cancer? Any update yet?

[mntruthseeker]

How are you doing on the kids with cancer? Any update yet?


No I mostly work with my family

You see if you have a child or know someone with cancer...........You can do it yourself with your heart and the help of Jesus


I firmly believe that what is in our food, medication and water contribute so much into our systems that brings on all cancers and deseases.

I tried to help more in my family and slowly they have believed me. I was raised in a roman catholic family and my sisters think im possessed sometimes. LOL

We all can heal ourselfs, you dont need a crowd around you.

About 10 years ago my friend who is a reiki healer started to show me when my grandson was born too soon. He could fit in the palm of my right hand. He had so many tubes hooked up to him that I just wanted to cry. She prayed and sent to him..............(we can all do this from any distance, she lives in Brampton Canada at the time, I'm in Minnesota )

He is going to be 10 in Feb and I still didnt get it. I just recently figured out how to use this gift a few weeks ago. You see I had it, we all have it, we just have to apply it and believe

I almost got shoved into a mental ward because our world is not ready for us to show them the "gifts" we all have.

I heal those around me and within my family. I never tried elsewhere

[ewhite]

How are you doing on the kids with cancer? Any update yet?

Seriously, why all the negativity and sarcasm? If the topic is not one in which you believe, why attempt to derail those that do?

I personally understand your questions, I have never had a first hand experience in this matter and the same type of questioning has been raised in my mind too. I feel there is a much more tactful way of asking the questions you seek answers to. Instead you seem to be on the offensive against those that do have first hand experience with healing. It is always the same, there is no proof that one can see to a healers/healed defense BUT one has to remember there is also none to the contrary.

This thread had promise for me, I was hopping to find answers myself, but it seems you may have dispersed the ones with some insight with your preconceived notions and interrogation techniques. Oh well, hopefully those like me can find answers elsewhere....

[Scarab]

No I mostly work with my family

You see if you have a child or know someone with cancer...........You can do it yourself with your heart and the help of Jesus


I firmly believe that what is in our food, medication and water contribute so much into our systems that brings on all cancers and deseases.

I tried to help more in my family and slowly they have believed me. I was raised in a roman catholic family and my sisters think im possessed sometimes. LOL

We all can heal ourselfs, you dont need a crowd around you.

About 10 years ago my friend who is a reiki healer started to show me when my grandson was born too soon. He could fit in the palm of my right hand. He had so many tubes hooked up to him that I just wanted to cry. She prayed and sent to him..............(we can all do this from any distance, she lives in Brampton Canada at the time, I'm in Minnesota )

He is going to be 10 in Feb and I still didnt get it. I just recently figured out how to use this gift a few weeks ago. You see I had it, we all have it, we just have to apply it and believe

I almost got shoved into a mental ward because our world is not ready for us to show them the "gifts" we all have.

I heal those around me and within my family. I never tried elsewhere

It sounds like you're saying you could heal them, but you won't do it. Let someone else do it.

I do understand your fear of the mental ward.

[mntruthseeker]

It sounds like you're saying you could heal them, but you won't do it. Let someone else do it.

I do understand your fear of the mental ward.

No up until last month, I was carrying around an oxygen tank which limited my stay anywhere. I am finally free of it

I am not anywhere near a sick child. When my grandson just had the flu a few weeks ago, I asked for healing from this site. I never gave all that I was doing a second thought.

You see, what I am trying to tell you, is we all are healers. I can't just go up to some parent and say, throw out those drugs and stop the chemo. I have no license to do this. You as a parent, if you have a sick child can do this yourself and with the belief you will heal that child

[chelmostef]

The problem I have with this thread is the fact that it doesnt matter If the subject matter works or not. It the fact you are trying to discredit the methods in question though innuendo. I personally think there are a lot of science that remain answered(un-answered I meant). My main problem is not the fact that this works or not its the fact that you are trying to take anyway something. I.E If a placibo works no who has the right to take that any from anyone for your own gratifacation, this is wrong.

BOO!


If somthing makes someone feel better than thats what counts. No matter weather its proven to work or not. No one has the right to try and take that away its just plain and simply wrong :thumbdown:

[Malletzky]

...This thread had promise for me, I was hopping to find answers myself, but it seems you may have dispersed the ones with some insight with your preconceived notions and interrogation techniques. Oh well, hopefully those like me can find answers elsewhere....



Oh sure, you can find some answers here on this forum as well...just take your time, maybe you can start here...http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15358... there are some great things there...and look for some testimonials on other threads too...:thumb_yello:

Now back to the topic:

I will not write anything here about me being able to heal...but I will try to clarify some things.

First, alone the fact that the word 'healers' in the thread title has been wrapped simbolyse a disrespectful approach to this whole matter. So no need to answer any questions here...

Second...and I can tell from my own expiriences...don't doubt anything until you have seen what a healer(s) can do. And it takes an open heart and open mind to accept some things about us and what we're able to do.

If you would ask me a honest question about how I do (if I do :wink2: ) healing, I will honestly answer: I don't know how it works. I only know it works. We all have this powers and each one of us will discover her/his own approach and methods.

Third...I would never heal (if I can :wink2:) for money...which means I would never make my living from healing. MY reward has already been given to me...I don't need to be paid for healing (if I can :wink2:)...I would just DO...and you will understand that I can't speak for any other...


And last, about the question:

How are you doing on the kids with cancer?

Well, IMO, we don't need a second Jesus Christ here and now, to take the burden on his shoulders our own disability to exist properly...so no need of any hypocricy here...

Any update yet?

...oh, WE're all doing pretty fine. At least WE try to do something...even with these limited powers given to us as a human race...


Respectful
malletzky

[no caste]

Comforting the sick and healing the sick are two different things. If certain members here offered to 'comfort' those who aren't well, that would be honest.

BUT. Some people here are making healing claims which are dubious.

Others have set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

Call it hypothetical: Comfort has a unique energy signature.

[ewhite]

Oh sure, you can find some answers here on this forum as well...just take your time, maybe you can start here...http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15358... there are some great things there...and look for some testimonials on other threads too...:thumb_yello:


Thank you malletzky. I have been slowly making my way through that thread. I appreciate the link!

[Malletzky]

Thank you malletzky. I have been slowly making my way through that thread. I appreciate the link!

You're :welcomeani:

[Anchor]

... set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

Now this is a principle I do agree with - but I am not accusing anyone here.

When the line crosses between the from "unconditional" to "conditional" (ie: exchange of money) then the waters get muddied.

Of course it is possible, but it would require perfect integrity on the part of the professional healer.

On another point in reading this thread, it has been pointed out that healing takes place on many levels of "being".

Why disease and unhealthiness?

Ultimately the life experiencing the distortions toward disease and less than perfect health is undergoing those experiences for a reason, maybe pre-incarnational choices; or distortions toward diseases and unhealthiness can be reactions from actions taken by an entity during its incarnational experience - "instant karma".

In some cases it is believed that karma can take more than one lifetime to resolve, and this may also condition the path that the entity is taking through the current incarnation with respect to health. (Personally I think that is less likely in the case of awakening individuals at this point in time -because past life karma is mostly resolved).

My understanding is that the basic key to resolving this "Karma" (in all cases) is forgiveness. I have written about this before on this forum - I have used the relevant law of one quotes to support my argument - but I think it holds even without that.

When healing occurs it is for one reason alone - the healed entity is accepting a new state of beingness. The role of the healer is simply to aid and assist in bringing about the changes necessary for that new state to be made manifest in our incarnational matrix of reality.

Doing that professionally with any consistent degree of effectiveness would be extraordinarily complex because in a world tainted by money power lies greed and commercialism it is very easy to fall from a perfect state of unconditional love and acceptance necessary to aid the entity to be healed.

That is why in my opinion, most healers pick thier targets. There is nothing wrong in that. It is the normal operating of the law of attraction. You simply cannot force the issue.

How are you doing on the kids with cancer? Any update yet?

You may offer the opportunity for healers to focuss their attention on a given set of sick children or people on a healing list - as in your example above - but hectoring them for results is not fair and I dont think it is really going to work.

I also want to add one final point: If you want to, you can heal yourself.

The actual mechanics of healing: words, touch etc all irrelevant. The core thing that is required from which all the rest stems is focussed intent.

When one does such a thing, one is creating. It is an awesome responsibility and is never without consequence.

A..

[371]

.Why disease and unhealthiness?


Why life and death? Light and darkness?

Can you have one without the other?

[Anchor]

Why life and death? Light and darkness?

Can you have one without the other?

A whole new subject - probably deserves a thread on its own.

I am about to break for the holidays - if you want to start a new thread on that, I might be able to give it a go over the break. Its a subject that is complex and simple at the same time it seems - depending on how you look at it at the time :)

A..

[371]

Ok, fair enough :)

[mudra]

We are not here to create miracles but rather to let them happen through us.
We are all carriers of Love . Being compassionate and caring for others is our sacred heart's gift .
Love is the healer. Love has no bounderies.

Love from me
mudra

[Scarab]

You may offer the opportunity for healers to focuss there attention on a given set of sick children or people on a healing list - as in your example above - but hectoring them for results is not fair and I dont think it is really going to work.

Why would they let ego get in the way of helping a sick child?

This has been an opportunity for the 'healers' here to collectively or individually step up and show the rest of the world what they can do. Most are curiously silent.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I don't understand why 'healers' can't heal in a hospital.


Reiki is now availble in limited areas within the NHS in the UK BUT it is not classed as healing. I think it is used to 'relax' people and relaxation has been proved to help healing of the person when stress levels are lowered the body can self heal.

Would I go to hospital to offer Reiki or healing? No. If the system recognised it and had days where people could come in and lay hand on people to help would I consider it... if people were confortable and wanted it. yes I'd do it.

I've given distant healing from UK to a friend and her daughter (Switzerland) she used to post here. Can I prove it? no. Do I feel the need to prove it? No. Did I get good feed back from them both. yes. Both felt it strongly and appreciated it at the time. The daughter just said turn it up! She didn't know it was coming... How did I do it? Intent and thought... I seem to be pretty good at it. I think it is better if I've met the person and can tune into their energy. Can I cure people of illnesses? Not sure. I don't make claims. (In my Dad's case no, did it help to relax him and show him how much I loved him - You bet ya). If the person doesn't want to get better there isn't much anyone can do.

Also 440 Hz is not a good frequency I feel it is deliberately tuned away from the original A frequency. Also 528 Hz is a good frequency. Google 528HZ.

Do a search on here about loving and healing frequencies...

As for proof with healing I think there are references within the book "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart.

Good luck with your quest for getting answers... With regards the kids with cancer there are many threads on here for cancer therapies: MMS, iodine, NO fluoride, No GMO foods, no aspartame, etc etc. Then if it is a sick scared adult person with cancer convincing them to use alternatives will be extremely difficult. If it means convincing a scared parent to try alternatives for their loved child this will be equally or more difficult still. IF someone has had 30+ years of mind control to trust the doctors it is unlikely someone with "alternatives" whether healing or a life style/diet changes will win the battle, until they are turned away to die by the doctors.

I'd also like to think the research I and many on here do and post threads about offer a kind of healing.

Have I recieved healing? Yes. Did I pay for it? Yes. Was it worth it for me? yes. £30 an hour.

Did my Late Dad recieve healing for his cancer? Yes. Did it work? No. Was it expensive and with a well reknowned healer who in her book made many claims? Yes. Do I think it was value for money? No. It was v. expensive. But my Mum and Dad were in a state of shock and fear and it was very agressive lung and 2nd brain cancers. Do I think the healer I saw could have helped? Maybe but my parents weren't in a space to listen they wanted the lady who wrote the book with the £££ fees in the centre of London.

At a recent all angels day there was a talk by a PhD who used to work in the drugs industry doing trials on drugs and placebos. In trails the placebos (compacted chalk dust with a logo) gave results which equated to ~78%. A international best selling heart drug in the same trails scored 82-83%... For me this is criminal. Based on these results this person left the drug industry and now researches the effect the brain has on healing.

More infoon his website:
http://www.drdavidhamilton.com/

[morganlilith]

When healing occurs it is for one reason alone - the healed entity is accepting a new state of beingness. The role of the healer is simply to aid and assist in bringing about the changes necessary for that new state to be made manifest in our incarnational matrix of reality.

Doing that professionally with any consistent degree of effectiveness would be extraordinarily complex because in a world tainted by money power lies greed and commercialism it is very easy to fall from a perfect state of unconditional love and acceptance necessary to aid the entity to be healed.




i am a professionally trained bodyworker. i have at least 3000 hours of formal training in massage therapy, anatomy, physiology, and a host of various energy therapies. i have worked on thousands of clients over the course of two decades. i don't call myself a 'healer'. i do have a good understanding of how the physical body works. i also have an understanding of how energy seems to work in relation to the human body/mind/spirit. i know techniques for working with them...some that i learned in formal training and some that i have figured out while working with clients.

in my experience, healers don't heal. healers participate in a healing process using their skills, knowledge and/or gifts. some of my clients have had profound results, but they were the client's results, not mine. the techniques i use are intended to help the client find a place of dynamic equilibrium in their body/mind/spirit from which they can heal. i may help them find and release blocked energy. i may manually manipulate soft tissue into a more balanced state. either of these things may release emotion. or not. depends on the client and the issues they bring into their state of dis - ease. i do not bring expectations into any interaction with a client. i do what i know how to do. it is up to the client to accept the process or not. (and just because they come to me and are willing to pay me does not mean they are necessarily ready to let go of whatever the issue is. could be they still have things to learn from the issue, but desire that the intensity be eased a bit along the way.) sometimes a person needs a long process to get from where they are to where they want to be, rather than a miracle cure in one session. sometimes saving someone's life isn't part of the process....a client who dies is not necessarily a failure of the healing process.

i DO receive compensation for the work i do. generally money, as that is the most commonly accepted form of exchange in our society. i am as worthy of making a living to support myself and my family as anyone else working an honest trade. i have also been willing to accept a fair trade when it felt appropriate. and i do give my work to the universe in cases where that seems appropriate as well. what i do has value, and deserves compensation. paying it forward is valid compensation, but until the landlord will accept bodywork in trade for rent (or offer it as a pay it forward sort of thing), i do need some cash coming in as well.

[Scarab]

@morganlilith, connecting with sauce

I am not directing these questions toward people who give physical treatments outside normal AMA guidelines.

I am addressing the individuals who say that they can heal a stranger from a great distance with (or without depending on who you ask) a first name, basic location and permission from the patient using only the power of thought or love.

[morganlilith]

@morganlilith, connecting with sauce

I am not directing these questions toward people who give physical treatments outside normal AMA guidelines.

I am addressing the individuals who say that they can heal a stranger from a great distance with (or without depending on who you ask) a first name, basic location and permission from the patient using only the power of thought or love.



i DO do healing work over a distance. and all the things i said about my work apply to distance work as well as in person work.

much of the distance work i do is on a pay it forward basis. but i have also worked as part of an online venue where people do schedule appointments for distance work, and pay for it.

[Scarab]

i DO do healing work over a distance. and all the things i said about my work apply to distance work as well as in person work.

much of the distance work i do is on a pay it forward basis. but i have also worked as part of an online venue where people do schedule appointments for distance work, and pay for it.


I misunderstood. Thank you.

[morganlilith]

I misunderstood. Thank you.

i guess i am still confused about what you are trying to get at.

is it the distance issue you're having a difficult time with?

[Scarab]

i guess i am still confused about what you are trying to get at.

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear.

Healing doesn't work this way (IMO).

[morganlilith]

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear.

Healing doesn't work this way (IMO).

you are welcome to your opinion as i am welcome to mine.

i have received feedback that people have had positive results when i have done distance healing sessions for them. as well, i have felt positive results when people have done distance work for me.

it's a matter of how energy works. a lot of people choose to not believe that accupuncture works. even though there is medical evidence that it does. it's just outside our dominant paradigm.

if i didn't have experience with it, i might not believe it would work either.

[Scarab]

it's a matter of how energy works.

Please explain. I'm all ears.

[morganlilith]

Please explain. I'm all ears.

see, there's your issue.

i don't believe that i can explain it in a way that you will accept.
it's an experiential thing, and it's subtle. if you are convinced that it's not going to work, or if you don't know what to pay attention for, you will likely not feel it.

if you are sincerely interested in learning about energy medicine, i would recommend the book 'vibraional medicine' by gerber. written by a dr who set out to debunk all this energy gobbledegook via 'real science' and ended up convincing himself it was real instead. it's probably been out at least 20 years but i think it is still relevant. and i would assume it's still available. any of the works of dr deepak chopra, also. 'quantum healing' being a good place for doubters to start.

[Scarab]

i don't believe that i can explain it in a way that you will accept.

You're right. Seeing is believing.

[Frank Samuel]

The solfeggio frequencies and binaural frequencies from my own experience are real and quite effective . A few years back I was diagnosed with black lungs as in cancer of the lungs , damaged heart and extreme bone decay mainly in my left hip. My last x-ray that I took after 3 years of solfeggio and binaural frequencies therapy indicated that my lungs had cleared completely , my left hip show minor bone decay. The x-ray technician after I explain the reason why I was having the x-ray done just shook her head in disbelief as to say that I was pulling her leg for all the symptoms I mention to her where no longer visible in the x-ray. Before I barely could sleep because I could not breath, now I sleep like a baby. These frequencies are free and can be found posted all over the internet. It is my hope that it can help you also. Remember that our bodies can heal itself if we know how to activate the correct frequencies . Everything in the universe emits a frequency, even the food we eat. Modern medicine is a business , many people have turn to the shaman of the amazons to find cures and natural medicines. I believe the future of medicine will be 100% more effective and people will live to be about 150 yrs. . Will this be a good thing for the ptb ? Lets see if I retire at 62 yrs. old and I collect social security for 100 yrs. this can become a real problem. Thus the reason why just about every single remedy we take has secondary unpleasant effects . Pharmaceuticals are a strong healthy business. PR is a paradise for a lot of pharmaceuticals , and fertilizer companies like mosanto.

[mntruthseeker]

GFY Frank

Once when I was up and moving around more after laying in bed for so long my legs and muscels were so weak The pain was gone but I had alot of work to do and I was still on oxygen and I was still having speractic chest pains

I was listening to the Soffegio tunes with my headset on and I nearly threw them across the room I got so scare and here is why

It felt like the burning heat of two large hands reached into my chest and spread my chest open and my heart started beating like crazy. I told myself to calm down and just relax, (at least I think it was me saying that )

Afterwards I no longer had the chest pains that I had been experiencing for such a long long time. I am still estactic over this. To me it was truly a miracle.

I never heard of anything like this happening to anyone else that I have ever knew until you today

Thanks for sharing your story.

[371]

There is a lot to be said for "the placebo effect"...

[Anchor]

i DO receive compensation for the work i do. generally money, as that is the most commonly accepted form of exchange in our society. i am as worthy of making a living to support myself and my family as anyone else working an honest trade.

Ok, I am glad you stepped into the debate with this. It will teach me not to generalize so poorly.

Compensation for "work" done is most definately not wrong - and I tried to take care not to imply it - particularly as yours requires you to organize the way in which you live around that "work". However, the door is open for it to go wrong in a very tangible way for those people who are determined to make a quick buck out of someone elses misfortune.

Whenever I have been involved in healing its more like -

"Hey, I can help with that, do you mind if I try",
"Ok then...", (zap)
"Oooh that was interesting".
... dialogue often ensues :) ...

At the end of the day, money and its exchange is simply a manifestation of energy moving. I know Susan has decided to leave this thread - but her "way" is all about eXchanging. In our society the commercial element is inevitable. Along with calls for regulation and govenrment registration and controls - all part of the deal.

That is why I even bothered with this thread. In his own special way Scarab raises this point. He doesnt want innocent people deceived and I agree.

Having a "professionally" run service with a short lifecycle between treatment and results, fairly priced, free from promises that could never be delivered on - is obviously a good way to mitigate the risks of being seen as a charlatan.

When I used the word professional, I was really focussing on the money as a motivator angle. Most people I have known that do this for a living do it for reasons other than money - they have reached a stage where they get all the money they need anyway as a consequence of the universal laws of attraction. When the motivator is money - then the whole story changes and gets a bit sad.

I know I could be sounding contradictory here. I probably need more time to home in on this.

A..

[Frank Samuel]

You are welcome Mtruthseeker. I told the story to my friends , yet we are condition to believe that anything so simple that is not a pill or an injection can cure us or help us maintain our health. One of my friends who is an engineer and likes experimenting with new things try it out for a while but freak out because his legs kept vibrating and he kept picking up his cell phone thinking that someone was playing a joke on him. The best I can describe the effects of the frequencies are like getting a brain and mind tune up. I have never pay a single cent for the frequencies they are posted free of charge in you tube. There's serious studies conducted in many universities across the world on resonance , there are thesis upon thesis, measuring devices etc... Even Dr. Peterson talked about frequencies. Every single thing in the universe emits a frequency. The effectiveness of the frequencies are real.

[Anchor]

There is a lot to be said for "the placebo effect"...

Or the power of suggestion.

Both are a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

A placebo, whilst being scientifically "null" is not in the large scheme of things. Science overlooks the conciousness angle, and the power of intent.

When a Doctor prescribes something that he knows to be a placebo, he is INTENDING to heal his patient - and often that is all that is required.

A..

[mntruthseeker]

[QUOTE=morganlilith;207393]you are welcome to your opinion as i am welcome to mine.

About 16 years ago I met a woman on line that was a Reiki Master and also trained by a Shaman that taught me a few things on a daily basis

She told me things about energy and healing but I didnt fully comprehend but I do know she had so much to do with saving my grandson. She was in Brampton Canada at the time and we are in Minnesota. She was my special angel. For that reason alone I do understand skeptics as I was also

I know how long distance healing works and I have "felt" her touch through the internet.

I lost contact with her and not even sure if she is still with us but I wish I could tell her that I now understand. It truly is hard to explain.

Thanks for the reference to the book as I am going to try and get it as I am interested in furthering my education on all of this

You are Blessed

[waitinginthewings]

You are welcome Mtruthseeker. I told the story to my friends , yet we are condition to believe that anything so simple that is not a pill or an injection can cure us or help us maintain our health. One of my friends who is an engineer and likes experimenting with new things try it out for a while but freak out because his legs kept vibrating and he kept picking up his cell phone thinking that someone was playing a joke on him. The best I can describe the effects of the frequencies are like getting a brain and mind tune up. I have never pay a single cent for the frequencies they are posted free of charge in you tube. There's serious studies conducted in many universities across the world on resonance , there are thesis upon thesis, measuring devices etc... Even Dr. Peterson talked about frequencies. Every single thing in the universe emits a frequency. The effectiveness of the frequencies are real.

Hi Frank : I am very interested in frequency healing & have know about it before anyone else had ever heard of it. Could you share please how many times a day you listened, for how long, and what was the total length of your healing program....I sometimes listen to solfeggio, & would like to experiment with healing an issue I have. You can pm me if you wish, so as not to distract this thread. Blessings.

[morganlilith]

Or the power of suggestion.

Both are a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

A placebo, whilst being scientifically "null" is not in the large scheme of things. Science overlooks the conciousness angle, and the power of intent.

When a Doctor prescribes something that he knows to be a placebo, he is INTENDING to heal his patient - and often that is all that is required.

A..

yes. energy follows intent. or focus, as it's often said around these parts.

if the intent of the dr/practitioner and the belief of the patient/client allowed for healing to happen, healing happened. and healing IS the desired result, regardless of the methods used to get there. at least IMO.

yet people talk about the placebo effect as if it was a bad thing, or somehow invalidates the fact that healing occured.

[371]

yet people talk about the placebo effect as if it was a bad thing, or somehow invalidates the fact that healing occured.

Not a bad thing at all. Just calling a spade a spade.

[Shairia]

The Placebo Effect is interesting because even MDs rely on it quite frequently.

[WinterWolf]

I was not even going to bother making a comment to this thread but I decided to anyway.

Why exactly are people even bothering to respond to Scarab if they find him/her/it untrustworthy, possibly duplicitous, or even baiting? All anyone is doing is adding more fuel to the fire.

What exactly are you looking for Scarab? A magic bullet? The second coming of Jesus of Nazareth?

People get all bothered and excited at the word "healer" and yet anyone can be a healer. What would you call the most beloved Mother Teresa? She was a healer but not by any medical term. She healed through the love and care she gave to every person she came across. Talk about trying to heal the world one person at a time.

What exactly is a healer anyway? Someone who tries to help to reconnect, reconstruct; heal the damaged psyche and physical condition? Or is it someone who only looks at trying to fix the solid construct only and ignore the human spirit? Or maybe it is vice versa.

Don't you think it is rather amusing how the mentality of some people is that Western medicine is the greatest thing since sliced bread and ignore the "alternative", indigenous, and Eastern medicine that was alive and well long before the advent of modern medicine. Without that which came before, how exactly do you arrive at that which is now?

Food for thought no?

ps No I didn't read all of the postings on this thread. I merely skimmed....


Winter Wolf

[mntruthseeker]

Hey Frank

I listened to Solffegio for almost a year and that is the first time it effected me so much.

I wanted to show you which one I was listening to as it was for the heart and when this is the first time I had ever heard it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMQOAWeVs0

[371]

People don't like their beliefs questioned, or status quo challenged.

That is exactly what scarab does. Me too, sometimes.



I don't think people question themselves enough, or ask the right questions.

Don't mind being wrong, most people say that but don't mean it.

Like making things complex too, it is our nature but a lot of blah blah doesn't solve anything. It is what it is.


What is this now I'm doing? blah blah I'm gonna stop. I think you get my point.

[Scarab]

What exactly are you looking for Scarab?

Just want to cut through some of the bs.

People make claims of magical abilities, other trusting people fall behind.

I say. Magical abilities are fine. If you have them. But don't talk a big game and not follow it up with action.

[Northern Boy]

Nice post winter wolf :thumb_yello:

[morganlilith]

Just want to cut through some of the bs.

People make claims of magical abilities, other trusting people fall behind.

I say. Magical abilities are fine. If you have them. But don't talk a big game and not follow it up with action.

who was talking about 'magical' abilities? i must have missed that.

i'd LOVE to have magical abilities, lol. i certainly don't have any magical powers. a lot of what i do doesn't fit into the dominant paradigm, though.

are you implying that anything that doesn't fit in your chosen paradigm is magic?

[Shairia]

I was wondering the same thing. I think questioning is great but if your mind is closed why bother asking the questions??????????

[Sideshow Shaman]

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear.

Healing doesn't work this way (IMO).

If this seems like a logical response, then Scarab is not honestly asking questions. This entire thread is just bait.

:thumbdown:

[micjer]

Hey Frank

I listened to Solffegio for almost a year and that is the first time it effected me so much.

I wanted to show you which one I was listening to as it was for the heart and when this is the first time I had ever heard it

tgMQOAWeVs0


Wow. Put the earphones on and turn it up a bit. Amazing.
:thumb_yello:

[14 Chakras]

If this seems like a logical response, then Scarab is not honestly asking questions. This entire thread is just bait.

:thumbdown:

The thread's been interesting. No one owns a thread. There have been many people share interesting takes on healing in this thread as well as experiences. When someone is looking for a reaction, or we're expecting to change their minds, just move on, ain't gonna happen. But there are good discussions to be had with the many members in this forum who are not trying to bring others down and rather just share their journey and experiences in the search for truth.

[Scarab]

If this seems like a logical response, then Scarab is not honestly asking questions. This entire thread is just bait.

:thumbdown:

A forum full of 'healers'. A thread asking them some simple questions.

No answers to the questions (except Anchor).

Nobody willing to actually HEAL someone to put the matter to rest.

Two so-called healers have deleted their claims and run away in shame.

And your conclusion is that I'm dishonest.

Your powers of discernment are lacking.

[14 Chakras]

A forum full of 'healers'. A thread asking them some simple questions. No answers to the questions (except Anchor). Nobody willing to actually HEAL someone to put the matter to rest.

And your conclusion is that I'm dishonest.

Your powers of discernment are lacking.

There's a difference between someone who can help others heal, who can help others bring out their own healing from within themselves, and a full Christ Being miracle worker.

Should have titled this thread: A Question for fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Workers ~ Can you instantly heal a full school of sick children?

That would have been a more honest approach to what you are trying to figure out here.

I don't think anyone has claimed to be a fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Worker that can heal a school full of sick children instantly by the power of thought.

Be more straightforward, and we can save ourselves the trouble of a lot of back and forth.

[Scarab]

There's a difference between someone who can help others heal, who can help bring out their own healing from within themselves, and a full Christ Being miracle worker.

Should have titled this thread: A Question for fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Workers ~ Can you instantly heal a full school of sick children?

That would have been a more honest approach to what you are trying to figure out here.

I don't think anyone has claimed to be a fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Worker that can heal a school full of sick children instantly by the power of thought.

Be more straightforward, and we can save yourself the trouble of a lot of back and forth.

I asked if they could walk into a hospital and heal someone. The answers I recieved were a small yes with a big BUT (add disclaimer of choice here).

YET.

They still say they can heal someone long distance with nothing more than a first name.

WHY?

How much more straightforward can I be?

[14 Chakras]

I don't think anyone has said they can always heal someone from long distance with only a first name, especially not in a way that someone else dictates.

I think they were saying that it can be done, but it won't always be done, and it does depend on a lot of factors, including the receptivity of the recipient, karma, and the will of the infinite.

Definition of a skeptic: A self appointed vigilante for the suppression of curiosity. :)

[Scarab]

I don't think anyone has said they can always heal someone from long distance with only a first name, especially not in a way that someone else dictates.

I think they were saying that it can be done, but it won't always be done, and it does depend on a lot of factors, including the receptivity of the recipient, karma, and the will of the infinite.

Definition of a skeptic: A self appointed vigilante for the suppression of curiosity. :)

Go back and read the thread before you tell me what you THINK they said.

Then please QUOTE the text where their words match your assumptions.

Yes, they did add some hefty disclaimers.

Now go read the 'healing list' thread and tell me where you find those same disclaimers.

I know they're your friends. I know you WANT to believe them. I'm sorry if this thread challenges your reality.

[morganlilith]

I asked if they could walk into a hospital and heal someone. The answers I recieved were a small yes with a big BUT (add disclaimer of choice here).

YET.

They still say they can heal someone long distance with nothing more than a first name.

WHY?

How much more straightforward can I be?


i am starting to think that when you say 'heal' you are using it in the way i would use 'cure'.

yes, i can walk into a hospital and do healing work with a patient. assuming the patient was willing and the hospital didn't have security drag me out. many hospitals do not allow 'healers'. notice i said 'healing work'. but could i 'cure' them? would their cancer/disease/disability be instantly gone? maybe, maybe not. well, technically i'm not legally allowed to cure anyone. only AMA sanctioned treatments are allowed to 'cure'. but like i said in a previous post, in most instances, healing is a process rather than a spontaneous event.

i used to participate in a large scale (several hundred people participating) healing event at an annual festival i often attend. the healing event included drumming and chanting to 'raise energy', and groups of two practitioners to do hands on energy work with a person with life threatening issues. (for example if there were 20 people requesting healing, there would be 2 'healers' working hands on with each of them). one particular year i worked on a woman in a very intense session. (lots of sweating and lots of crying). the next year at the same festival she approached me and told me that i had worked on her the year before. i wouldn't have recognized her, but she remembered me. she said the reason she had gone to the healing event was because she had an inoperable brain tumor. she'd been told, basically, to go home and get her affairs in order. but she didn't die. her symptoms diminished and then ceased. further testing showed the tumor was gone. did that have anything to do with me? maybe. maybe not. can i prove any of it? nope. i never even knew her name.

i had a massage client with whom i worked once every week or so for a few years. she was diagnosed with a large uterine fibroid, and was scheduled for surgery. we had been doing pretty mainstream massage therapy in our sessions, but i suggested doing some energy work specific to the fibroid. she agreed and so we did a couple of specific sessions in the weeks before her surgery. after the fibroid was removed, the dr sent it for further testing because he thought it 'looked weird'. the report that came back stated that it showed similar cellular structure to what they would have expected had she taken medication that is sometimes used to break down smaller fibroids. they couldn't explain it. she attributed it to the energy work. did i have anything to do with it? i dunno. but she thought so. can i prove it? nope. my client records are confidential.

now, as far as doing healing over a distance, what criteria would you require to prove to you that it is viable? and again, are you talking in terms of 'healing' or of 'curing'? keeping in mind as i said before, that being 'cured' isn't always what the person needs. many times there is much to be gained through the process of healing. and often the process involves a series of growth stages. and if a person dies, it doesn't mean the healing work was a failure. that is part of the AMA paradigm, but not necessarily part of the larger picture.

[Scarab]

i am starting to think that when you say 'heal' you are using it in the way i would use 'cure'.

yes, i can walk into a hospital and do healing work with a patient. assuming the patient was willing and the hospital didn't have security drag me out. many hospitals do not allow 'healers'. notice i said 'healing work'. but could i 'cure' them? would their cancer/disease/disability be instantly gone? maybe, maybe not. well, technically i'm not legally allowed to cure anyone. only AMA sanctioned treatments are allowed to 'cure'. but like i said in a previous post, in most instances, healing is a process rather than a spontaneous event.

i used to participate in a large scale (several hundred people participating) healing event at an annual festival i often attend. the healing event included drumming and chanting to 'raise energy', and groups of two practitioners to do hands on energy work with a person with life threatening issues. (for example if there were 20 people requesting healing, there would be 2 'healers' working hands on with each of them). one particular year i worked on a woman in a very intense session. (lots of sweating and lots of crying). the next year at the same festival she approached me and told me that i had worked on her the year before. i wouldn't have recognized her, but she remembered me. she said the reason she had gone to the healing event was because she had an inoperable brain tumor. she'd been told, basically, to go home and get her affairs in order. but she didn't die. her symptoms diminished and then ceased. further testing showed the tumor was gone. did that have anything to do with me? maybe. maybe not. can i prove any of it? nope. i never even knew her name.

i had a massage client with whom i worked once every week or so for a few years. she was diagnosed with a large uterine fibroid, and was scheduled for surgery. we had been doing pretty mainstream massage therapy in our sessions, but i suggested doing some energy work specific to the fibroid. she agreed and so we did a couple of specific sessions in the weeks before her surgery. after the fibroid was removed, the dr sent it for further testing because he thought it 'looked weird'. the report that came back stated that it showed similar cellular structure to what they would have expected had she taken medication that is sometimes used to break down smaller fibroids. they couldn't explain it. she attributed it to the energy work. did i have anything to do with it? i dunno. but she thought so. can i prove it? nope. my client records are confidential.

now, as far as doing healing over a distance, what criteria would you require to prove to you that it is viable? and again, are you talking in terms of 'healing' or of 'curing'? keeping in mind as i said before, that being 'cured' isn't always what the person needs. many times there is much to be gained through the process of healing. and often the process involves a series of growth stages. and if a person dies, it doesn't mean the healing work was a failure. that is part of the AMA paradigm, but not necessarily part of the larger picture.

Definition of 'heal'

To make better; to revive, recover, or cure; To become better

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heal

[WinterWolf]

Just want to cut through some of the bs.

People make claims of magical abilities, other trusting people fall behind.

I say. Magical abilities are fine. If you have them. But don't talk a big game and not follow it up with action.


I can certainly understand the desire to cut through the bs as I am sure there are quite a number of unscrupulous people out there who are out to bilk the masses of money but one can not paintthem all with the same brush either.

Winter Wolf

[morganlilith]

Definition of 'heal'

To make better; to revive, recover, or cure; To become better

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heal


i know what the word means. however we all apply slightly different nuances.
you have not clarified whether your personal definition of 'heal' means complete, spontaneous cessation of symptomatology, or a process of recovery which might evolve over time.


and again, what criteria do you require to prove that healing over a distance is viable? personally i don't think there is a way to demonstrate the results you seem to be asking for. there are too many variables involved in any healing process. i don't believe that inability to demonstrate according to a very strict set of rules invalidates the process.

[Scarab]

Now we're down to nuances in the word 'heal'.

I believe heal and cure are synonymous, the dictionary backs me up on this. I use them as synonyms. English is my first language.

I also believe any average English speaking human uses them as synonyms.

This thread is going in circles.

[Malletzky]

So now, the whole thing here about healing is BS you say? WOW! If you would only knew. But I already told you, it requires an open heart and an open mind to accept that there's much more then this reality.

If you're just trying to point out that there are sharlatans out there...you're right...but then, this thread should've been re-named.

But you can't stick all other in the same basket and claim that any other healing then the "standard" medicine is BS. And I don't have to prove you anything.

So once again, you're not honest...and this thread is not even worth reading any more.

At the end, I will tell you the storry of a very good friend of mine. She got leikemia 10 years ago...her son was one year old back then.

She went to the hospital, they cheked her...and left her lying in the floor. She thought that would be only temporarily, until they they find a room for her. After few hours and nothing happened, she asked the doctors when she will be given a place and when the therapy will start. To her surprise, they told her that they actually gave her up, she would anyway die until tomorrow and there's no need of any therapy any more.

Now you can imagine her surprise...but she never gave up. She told the doctors that she simply isn't ready to die...and she is still among us :thumb_yello:

So how do you explain this? She healed herself...and she says today, that was the greatest thing that has ever happend in her life...

And now you tell me how she did this? BTW, she doesn't know herself either...

[Scarab]

WOW! If you would only knew.

Funny. I was thinking the same thing about the members here.

As for calling me dishonest. I repeat:

A forum full of 'healers'. A thread asking them some simple questions.

No answers to the questions (except Anchor).

Nobody willing to actually HEAL someone to put the matter to rest.

Two so-called healers have deleted their claims and run away in shame.

And your conclusion is that I'm dishonest.

Your powers of discernment are lacking.

[morganlilith]

only anchor answered any of your questions?


it was my intent to answer them. i'm sorry if none of my answers came across that way. it was never my intent to argue with you. i was sincere in trying to figure out what answers you were looking for. i assumed your questions were sincere. was i wrong? it's starting to feel like you might have had the agenda others seemed to be accusing you of. i like to give people the benefit of the doubt, though, so i don't immediately assume someone has an ulterior motive.




i suspect a couple of people deleted their comments and left in frustration. i don't see any reason anyone would have felt shame over the specified responses.

[Scarab]

i suspect a couple of people deleted their comments and left in frustration. i don't see any reason anyone would have felt shame over the specified responses.

Some people suspect, when others know. The problems arise when people who suspect think they know.

Sort of like this :)

If Your face, ear's, arm's are senitive to electrical devices, wireless connections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stxtqkZzJ-U

440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin....

Karen, this is one that will help You.


Trooly,



Tango

[morganlilith]

scarab, it becomes clear to me that you and i are simply not living in the same paradigm. i am more and more confused by your responses to my questions. i really don't think this is going to go anywhere.

therefore, i respectfully withdraw from the conversation.




however, i'm completely open to discussions of healing topics. anyone interested in sincere discourse feel free to give me a holler. :original:

[WinterWolf]

Would it make you happy if I told you I sufficiently healed my sister enough to get her off the ventilator when she was in the ICU hooked up to all sorts of tubes? Her lungs had partially collapsed.

In actuallity I gave her enough energy to help her out but in the end she still needed to get off it herself.

I wouldn't call myself some sort of miracle worker though. I leave that province to someon like Jesus.

Winter Wolf

[mntruthseeker]

I really do not think anyone can answer your questions as far as you are concern. You already have your mind set that we are all a bunch of phoneys people that only "think" we can heal

I already told you that it is nothing special and we all can do it if we "believe" that we can. what ever name you want to put on it

Tango healed my grandson overnight when he was so very sick with the wonderful "invented flue" that is going around. He made a believer out of me.
In fact it was those very actions that made me start reading up on healing further and I know what it did for me.

I take offense that you mock him and will take myself out of the conversation also.

If you would just sit back and think about all of what has been written
here you might actually learn something.

[Scarab]

I really do not think anyone can answer your questions as far as you are concern. You already have your mind set that we are all a bunch of phoneys people that only "think" we can heal

I already told you that it is nothing special and we all can do it if we "believe" that we can. what ever name you want to put on it

Tango healed my grandson overnight when he was so very sick with the wonderful "invented flue" that is going around. He made a believer out of me.
In fact it was those very actions that made me start reading up on healing further and I know what it did for me.

I take offense that you mock him and will take myself out of the conversation also.

If you would just sit back and think about all of what has been written
here you might actually learn something.

Your story changed again.

And, again. If 'Tango' has these powers of healing, how come he doesn't walk into a hospital and help those in need?

[mntruthseeker]

Your story changed again.

And, again. If 'Tango' has these powers of healing, how come he doesn't walk into a hospital and help those in need?

My story changed...............No it didnt

I have 11 grandchildren. The Reiki Master healed Baley who was born too soon 10 years ago

Tango healed my 7 year old grandson Ian just a few months ago

Do not insinuate that my story changed until you have heard them all.


You continue to ask about the children, can I ask you why you havent walked in there and done something yourself ?

I keep them in my prayers but not much you can do when they continue to give them the poison that they call chemo

[Scarab]

You continue to ask about the children, can I ask you why you havent walked in there and done something yourself ?

Because I admit that I cannot. Same as you and the others here.

It's obvious reasoning.

If people here could heal. Or, if everyone could cure themselves of whatever ails them. There would be no hospitals.

[Frank Samuel]

The frequencies in my experience not only heal but helps to stable your heart and mind to listen to your most inner thoughts and begin to discover the real you . Life is meant to be beautiful, there's just too much war and hunger on this planet. My goal in relating my story is to share the beauty that our life can be once we shed the unneeded baggage . I experience too much pain as a soldier and cause as much pain to others . Is time to heal ourselves and help to heal the world around us. We are living in an incredible moment in time , lets learn from each other and embrace one another . We do not know each other but we all share one thing in common we are searching for truth , understanding, and a little peace and harmony for ourselves and the world we live in. My most sincere wish to all here at project Avalon is that you have a happy holiday and that the coming year the whole world can be heal , not one of us are perfect yet everyone deserves to live with dignity and respect.
So many innocent lives die every single day because of our ignorance , lets all become wiser and more compassionate. Looking at the man in the mirror I am full of hope for my children and the world upon which we all live.

Blessings to all:wub2:

[mudra]

Thank You for your compassionate and wise words Frank Samuel.
You are speaking from Love unconditional .
The moment we see through our heart we are already contributing
to healing the world because we are including rather than excluding.

Love from me
mudra

[mntruthseeker]

Frank Samuel

Your words ring true with me.

If people like you had not shared your stories with us, I have no idea where I would be today.

So I personally, I thank all that have come forward and shared their story to teach others to find it within themselfs.

It takes courage to do so because there is always someone that does want to discredit us. Judging is nothing I care to deal with..

It matters not to me any longer as I do know the truth and I will never put my head down in shame as I know that I do not lie. I'm way too old to play that type of game.

My family and I have gotten closer and happier and thats saying alot.


My wish for this special season is that all of us heal ourselfs and the world also.

special blessings to Scarab that you soon find it within yourself to understand what wonderful gifts we all have.

Judging is not one of them

[mudra]

Because I admit that I cannot. Same as you and the others here.

It's obvious reasoning.

If people here could heal. Or, if everyone could cure themselves of whatever ails them. There would be no hospitals.

"Children love can accomplish anything and everything. Love can cure diseases. Love can heal wounded hearts and transform human minds. Through love one can overcome all obstacles. Love can help us renounce all physical, mental and intellectual tensions and thereby bring peace and happiness."

Quote from Amma the divine Mother

Scarab the healers on this forum have that faith . Love is what moves them and their healing is free.
Love is not something that you can reason with . It goes beyond Logic .
Think of how much you would like these cancerous children to be healed then open your heart and let your Love flow to them .. unconditional love .. love that has no bounderies and it will find it's way to fill the gaps .You can join us .. My heart, your heart , his heart .. we all share the same sacred heart from which the only thing that springs is pure Love .
People get sick by lack of Love..pure Love. It is our responsabitlity to realize that we are Love .. Love is our essence . The moment we do we raise the world . When everyone realizes this you'll see no hospitals around you any longer.
We all carry a different soul signature and so our healing energy will take different forms but Love is always the same.

Love Always
mudra

[Scarab]

"Children love can accomplish anything and everything. Love can cure diseases. Love can heal wounded hearts and transform human minds. Through love one can overcome all obstacles. Love can help us renounce all physical, mental and intellectual tensions and thereby bring peace and happiness."

Quote from Amma the divine Mother

That's funny because I started a thread here titled 'What is LOVE?' and nobody could explain it beyond copy and pasted platitudes.

I think you're a nice lady. I may disagree with you, but I respect the fact that you practice what you preach.

That being said, I still await some physical demonstration of the most physical phenomenon of healing.

[no caste]

Scarab - I've read through most of this thread. No offense, but what kind of stupid idea is it logistically to think that a healer would walk into a hospital and heal, what, all the kids on the cancer ward? Is that right? Someone would call security. Or, any one plucking away on an internet forum would, what, shut down their computer and, what, walk outside and find someone with, what, cancer?

WTF. It's as though you're hoping someone has all the answers. One stop shopping. As for the what is love thread, good god, man! (or woman), if y'hafta ask... what kind of stupid question is that! (also)

The great thing that came out of this thread IMO is who owns C2C. Thanks for bringing it up. Thanks to Northern Boy for fighting with you and providing a link. Thanks to Fred for digging it up. I'm going to dig it up for here. I haven't listened to C2C since a few episodes in 2006-7.

PS You don't really seem to have a way with people. What *precisely* are you looking for?
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[Scarab]

PS You don't really seem to have a way with people. What *precisely* are you looking for?


OK, fair enough. I will answer in the way you people seem to be accustomed instead of plain talk.

Scarab - I've read through most of this thread. No offense, but what kind of stupid idea is it logistically to think that a healer would walk into a hospital and heal, what, all the kids on the cancer ward? Is that right? Someone would call security. Or, any one plucking away on an internet forum would, what, shut down their computer and, what, walk outside and find someone with, what, cancer?



Dear beloveds, if you were able to tap in the glorious light of healing power, as master healers, you would be able to enter any man made facility, exert your divine control over nature and heal the sick instantaneously and cure every ill immediately and permanently.


WTF. It's as though you're hoping someone has all the answers. One stop shopping. As for the what is love thread, good god, man! (or woman), if y'hafta ask... what kind of stupid question is that! (also)


Dear beloveds, once you begin to explore the infinite aspects of love you will learn that it is like a multifaceted crystal. Simple, yet complex in nature. Once you begin exploring the physical and spiritual aspects of this magnificent force you will find that although the concept is simple in principle it is complex in thought and action. When you begin to travel the realms of love with like minded explorers you will be able to wisely discuss the many facets of this simple act at length and in great detail.


The great thing that came out of this thread IMO is who owns C2C. Thanks for bringing it up. Thanks to Northern Boy for fighting with you and providing a link. Thanks to Fred for digging it up. I'm going to dig it up for here. I haven't listened to C2C since a few episodes in 2006-7.


Oh my confused dear one, this thread did not expose the ownership of c2c. Although we can understand your great wonderment and astonishment at that discovery. We must point out dear one that Northern Boy fighting wasn't a noble act, it was for the furtherment and unbounding glorification of his own ego. Fred is a wonderful soul who with an inquisitive mind who was able to scratch the surface of the c2c mystery but GaiaLove was the advanced soul who was able to discover the true mysteries behind the radio station you know as c2c. Of course, my dearest one the quest that was undertaken to uncover this universal mystery was at the repeated bequest of the OP in this thread.

How's that. Do you understand now? I hope you do because it made me nauseous to write it out that way.

[beren]

OK, fair enough. I will answer in the way you people seem to be accustomed instead of plain talk.



Dear beloveds, if you were able to tap in the glorious light of healing power, as master healers, you would be able to enter any man made facility, exert your divine control over nature and heal the sick instantaneously and cure every ill immediately and permanently.



Dear beloveds, once you begin to explore the infinite aspects of love you will learn that it is like a multifaceted crystal. Simple, yet complex in nature. Once you begin exploring the physical and spiritual aspects of this magnificent force you will find that although the concept is simple in principle it is complex in thought and action. When you begin to travel the realms of love with like minded explorers you will be able to wisely discuss the many facets of this simple act at length and in great detail.



Oh my confused dear one, this thread did not expose the ownership of c2c. Although we can understand your great wonderment and astonishment at that discovery. We must point out dear one that Northern Boy fighting wasn't a noble act, it was for the furtherment and unbounding glorification of his own ego. Fred is a wonderful soul who with an inquisitive mind who was able to scratch the surface of the c2c mystery but GaiaLove was the advanced soul who was able to discover the true mysteries behind the radio station you know as c2c. Of course, my dearest one the quest that was undertaken to uncover this universal mystery was at the repeated bequest of the OP in this thread.

How's that. Do you understand now? I hope you do because it made me nauseous to write it out that way.


You guys are having all the fun tonight:naughty:

[beren]

I have questions and 'Gaia Love' asked me to make a new thread so here goes.



QUESTIONS FOR THE 'HEALERS' HERE
(I have no criticism, only questions)


1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?

No, No and no.


2. It's been stated that:


Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?


I don` think so. People who are sick will try anything to get better.


3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?


None.

4. Someone said:



Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?


I don`t know.

5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?


I can not . I can not rip off a tree from soil by my will power and similar things...



Those are my questions for now.

Please don't take this as 'criticism' or 'negativity'. They are honest questions which I would like to have answered. Being a 'healer' is a serious claim with serious implications. Anyone who makes this claim should be required to back it up with some verifiable proof and should welcome these questions.

People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know. If (and I do mean IF) anyone here is NOT really a healer, then posing as one is a cruel fraud.

So, in the spirit of full disclosure, will the 'healers' please check in here and put the rest of us at ease about their abilities?



Many pretend to know. But also many can help without actual explanation HOW they did it...
Now that`s a new topic.

[no caste]

Oh my confused dear one, this thread did not expose the ownership of c2c.

Well, I learned it on this here one anyway. My revelation. Opp. my bad I mean

Although we can understand your great wonderment and astonishment at that discovery.

Ok. If you say so. "great wonderment and astonishment" bwahahahah- ha? huh? ho?

We must point out dear one that Northern Boy fighting wasn't a noble act, it was for the furtherment and unbounding glorification of his own ego. Fred is a wonderful soul who with an inquisitive mind who was able to scratch the surface of the c2c mystery but GaiaLove was the advanced soul who was able to discover the true mysteries behind the radio station you know as c2c.

Well good for everybody anyway. I personally don't like being called dear much, by the way. Hey! I know an old lady (now deceased) who hated it too. So when her son said yada dear yada, well, it's corny but she just called him moose all the time. Hey! Do you read Archie?

Of course, my dearest one the quest that was undertaken to uncover this universal mystery was at the repeated bequest of the OP in this thread.

Behest or bequest? Because I'm looking for money.

How's that. Do you understand now? I hope you do because it made me nauseous to write it out that way.

When in Rome, ... what are you, language police? language reformer? translator? student?

[Scarab]

Behest or bequest?

Yes, I made a mistake. Behest would have been the appropriate word. Thank you.

[14 Chakras]

Many pretend to know. But also many can help without actual explanation HOW they did it...
Now that`s a new topic.

I am not the doer for it is the father within that doeth the work.

Healing is a Divine Flame, one of the lessons we are here Now to master in schoolroom Earth.

When we let the Father within do the work, all things are possible.

The will of the infinite is health, protection fulfillment of all of our needs.

When we surrender to this higher Will, and let it work through us, exactly the right solution will be presented for the situation we face.

In terms of healing that means that if it is the highest good that the person is empowered to see through their own illusion and energy that is keeping them sick, and to heal themselves, then they will be helped to do so.

However, we must not be attached to outer results. Some remain sick to pay off karma, to hold the balance for others, to help them see through their own limiting belief systems or other reasons. Free will is the key law, if the person does not want to get better, then no one can heal them.

Many factors present themselves with sickness.

Could Jesus heal all that he touched? I suggest not. Why did he ask them if they believed he could before he healed them?

Our reality is created by our own beliefs, nothing is stronger than our own free will.

[WinterWolf]

That's funny because I started a thread here titled 'What is LOVE?' and nobody could explain it beyond copy and pasted platitudes.

I think you're a nice lady. I may disagree with you, but I respect the fact that you practice what you preach.

That being said, I still await some physical demonstration of the most physical phenomenon of healing.

That's funny because I started a thread here titled 'What is LOVE?' and nobody could explain it beyond copy and pasted platitudes.

I think you're a nice lady. I may disagree with you, but I respect the fact that you practice what you preach.

That being said, I still await some physical demonstration of the most physical phenomenon of healing.

I haven't been on this board in awhile so Iapologize for derailing the current topic.

What is Love? That is a good question as I personally think a lot of people don't really know what love is. They might understand on an intellectual basis but do they understand it emotionally?

Love is more than just the firing of hormones and synapsis in the human body. In my opinion love goes beyond the physical and the emotional. In a way love is like duct tape or the force. It has a light side and a dark side and it keeps the universe together! :D

love is not merely a chemical reAction but an emotional response to that one person whose individuality, personality, demeanor resonates with something deep inside you. Call that something your soul if you will. Love is a force that is felt within the very marrow of your bones t
for that person or people. Love has no limit other than that which you impose upon it.

Love asks not or wants not. It is we...mankind that warps the thng that is love.

Just my opinion. :D

Winter Wolf

[Scarab]

I haven't been on this board in awhile so Iapologize for derailing the current topic.

What is Love? That is a good question as I personally think a lot of people don't really know what love is. They might understand on an intellectual basis but do they understand it emotionally?

Love is more than just the firing of hormones and synapsis in the human body. In my opinion love goes beyond the physical and the emotional. In a way love is like duct tape or the force. It has a light side and a dark side and it keeps the universe together! :D

love is not merely a chemical reAction but an emotional response to that one person whose individuality, personality, demeanor resonates with something deep inside you. Call that something your soul if you will. Love is a force that is felt within the very marrow of your bones t
for that person or people. Love has no limit other than that which you impose upon it.

Love asks not or wants not. It is we...mankind that warps the thng that is love.

Just my opinion. :D

Winter Wolf
Thanks.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18370

[WinterWolf]

Thanks.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18370

De nada.

Thanks for the link. I'll have to peruse it later.

Winter Wolf