Abraxas has been enjoined and his group is closed Edited

[TRANCOSO]

Quote:Originally Posted by GaiaLove View Post
After receiving complaints of sexual harassment by several members of the forum against the user abraxasinas. Those complaints as well as a review of the increasingly sexually oriented posts on this site by him leaves the administration no choice but to deny him access to the forum as well as pull all his threads and posts pending any potential legal action by the members affected.

Project Avalon deeply regrets any harm suffered by its members

A clever person like Abraxasinas should have known that posting sexually oriented content could get him banned.

It therefore wouldn't surprise me if he posted that stuff on purpose, reasoning that if he'd get banned, it would devide the members on this forum even more than they already were after the closing down of his Thuban thread.

Elementary, dear Watson.

[Myplanet2]

Myplanet2 wrote



so we just let the bullies run a riot..and all is just fine...and because it is decided on another, unpercieveable dimension anyway ...

spiritually irresponsible - this theory


p. s. won't someone get bill?

bw



We have full free will and ability to manifest whatever we want, including bullies. The bullies volunteer, the bullied volunteer, and the law of attraction puts the pieces together. You can believe it's not so all you like. That won't change it. This is the current template, and we all signed up for it, if we're here.

There is no such thing as spiritually irresponsible. Any more than there is victim. There is free will and choice, even when they are used to deny oneself free will and choice. Nobody else can do it.

[Spregovori]

They were not taken out of context - if you look closely they are double quoted and nor did I mention your name. It seems that you just want to drag this on and on so go ahead and continue to stroke your own ego - it's totally natural of a boy your age. Peace to you as always.

oh yes the ego scenario..."naturally"...

me not being mentioned does not matter since it was i who wrote that....

and you comparing it with the picture of a more than a half naked man stating...how that picture is all good while my words (that were used to prove a point) are - not acceptable? even offense? while borat with all but his balls in plain site is ok?

it would seem that my "ego" (a very good excuse inst it...call someone it is his ego...and than act adult about it?) does not bother with one or double quotation....

i do wonder...what else is expect of me to act...due to my age...what else should i know - so i can do it
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It will be "fun" to see the Rome fall

[Stardustaquarion]

A clever person like Abraxasinas should have known that posting sexually oriented content could get him banned.

It therefore wouldn't surprise me if he posted that stuff on purpose, reasoning that if he'd get banned, it would devide the members on this forum even more than they already were after the closing down of his Thuban thread.

Elementary, dear Watson.

You have a point Sherlock Lord Trancoso :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

[gita]

oh yes the ego scenario..."naturally"...

me not being mentioned does not matter since it was i who wrote that....

and you comparing it with the picture of a more than a half naked man stating...how that picture is all good while my words (that were used to prove a point) are - not acceptable? even offense? while borat with all but his balls in plain site is ok?

it would seem that my "ego" (a very good excuse inst it...call someone it is his ego...and than act adult about it?) does not bother with one or double quotation....

i do wonder...what else is expect of me to act...due to my age...what else should i know - so i can do it
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It will be "fun" to see the Rome fall

My 13 year old daughter make more sense than you and that’s saying something for a teenager and thanks to you I will be giving her much more credit from now on (I did anyway but that credit is about to increase). I’ve male friends your age who I believed through observation to be still ‘sleep’ but after today’s conversation with another male in their twenties, I come to realise that there are those that are comatose but yet believe themselves to be ‘awake’. This is my second thanks to you for changing my perspective on their state of ‘wakefulness’. You truly do come with gifts whether you realise it or not – I suspect we all do. The trick is whether to see those gifts and then to accept them with grace.

Energy flows where attention goes. Hence my attention is no more...

[TRANCOSO]

You have a point Sherlock Lord Trancoso :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:
HOLMES is my middle name Stardust.
You don't become a LORD of the GFL just because you're incredibly handsome! :wink2:
LORD SHERLOCK H. TRANCOSO

[lightblue]

Myplanet2 wrote

We have full free will and ability to manifest whatever we want, including bullies. The bullies volunteer, the bullied volunteer, and the law of attraction puts the pieces together. You can believe it's not so all you like. That won't change it. This is the current template, and we all signed up for it, if we're here.

There is no such thing as spiritually irresponsible. Any more than there is victim. There is free will and choice, even when they are used to deny oneself free will and choice. Nobody else can do it.

being a victim implies pain and hurt
being a bully implies violence exerted

it is spiritually irresponsible to deny hurt .

may noone ever be a victim of violence

bw l

[Spregovori]

My 13 year old daughter make more sense than you and that’s saying something for a teenager and thanks to you I will be giving her much more credit from now on (I did anyway but that credit is about to increase). I’ve male friends your age who I believed through observation to be still ‘sleep’ but after today’s conversation with another male in their twenties, I come to realise that there are those that are comatose but yet believe themselves to be ‘awake’. This is my second thanks to you for changing my perspective on their state of ‘wakefulness’. You truly do come with gifts whether you realise it or not – I suspect we all do. The trick is whether to see those gifts and then to accept them with grace.

Energy flows where attention goes. Hence my attention is no more...

oh yes the polite insults...i like those best...shows creativity...and also it is one of best ways to avoid the main point of the subject...

but at least it is entertaining...

EDIT:

also a nice exit cue...have to remember that next time i meet a proud mom (yes this line has hidden meaning...how cleaver of you to notice and no, still not angry, sorry)

[Lightpotential]

I do not know if there has been a clear answer to this by the Moderators, but with regard to Abraxasinas, did he actually post offending material specifically in his Thuban threads or was he insulting people in their private inbox, or even their profile messages?

Also, to the Moderators, on the matter of legal issues, did you ban these threads and Abraxasinas simply because of extreme caution, even though you may think it was not really warranted, but you were just being careful. I mean, it is like for example some Christians might study the Bible and say openly that they believe it is a sin to be gay and that there is 'something wrong' with gay people. They might say this without aggression on intended insult, but, the law being 'an ass' could still mean they could potentially be sued. Or as in Britain, if a person takes a picture in public that captures other people, then the police may go up to them and want to confiscate their camera under such as the Terrorism Act 2000. And so, people may be reluctant to take pictures outside, even though they know they are not doing anything wrong. They fear the law being used to 'screw them over'.

And thus I ask the Moderators, did Abraxasinas really do anything wrong? I think that this is what the people in this forum want to know.

[Spregovori]

I do not know if there has been a clear answer to this by the Moderators, but with regard to Abraxasinas, did he actually post offending material specifically in his Thuban threads or was he insulting people in their private inbox, or even their profile messages?



The content of the posts was within limits...but than again...depends on who you are asking. Gita here for example is ok with half naked pictures but dislikes words. Or to say it differently...she judges what is ok and what not....and what is not she bashes...one way or the other....

The content of the posts was within limits.... about private inbox etc ... i have no knowledge of this happening and also no evidence was presented

[Jonah]

I do not know if there has been a clear answer to this by the Moderators, but with regard to Abraxasinas, did he actually post offending material specifically in his Thuban threads or was he insulting people in their private inbox, or even their profile messages?

And thus I ask the Moderators, did Abraxasinas really do anything wrong? I think that this is what the people in this forum want to know.

When we know more so will you

[TRANCOSO]

I do not know if there has been a clear answer to this by the Moderators, but with regard to Abraxasinas, did he actually post offending material specifically in his Thuban threads or was he insulting people in their private inbox, or even their profile messages?

And thus I ask the Moderators, did Abraxasinas really do anything wrong? I think that this is what the people in this forum want to know.
Quote:
Quote:Originally Posted by GaiaLove View Post
After receiving complaints of sexual harassment by several members of the forum against the user abraxasinas. Those complaints as well as a review of the increasingly sexually oriented posts on this site by him leaves the administration no choice but to deny him access to the forum as well as pull all his threads and posts pending any potential legal action by the members affected.

Project Avalon deeply regrets any harm suffered by its members
(GaiaLove originally posted this in Chinese. This is a translation.)

[Jonah]

posted in Chinese??
didnt know he spoke chinese..

[Christo888]

wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet

:thumb_yello:
It is the symbol that started it all. Have a happy Carbon day all you wonderful Diamonds!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVU-mF5uw6Y&feature=related

The nazi's stole it as did most religions and cultures using symbols... they stole them!!!!:lmfao:

Symbols do not belong to 'groups' they simply borrow them to conduct alchemy for their own benefit.

So if anyone wants Truth it is in plain site all this time shrouded in fear and terror to keep you away from it.

Remember Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

[bashi]

We have fared in much better waters and for a long while I have been the witness of peace within Avalon .
Until these more recent times of discordance and strugle .
Friends have now split over diverging opinions...people rejected for being different.
Have our hearts weaken and our egos strenghened over time ?
Have we lost sight that we are One and equal within this soul family that Avalon is .
Can't we accept each other for what we really are ...that Light within...the foundation of our essence.
The shadows we cast and on which we stumble are the reflections of the Love we withold from ourselves and then from others.
If everyone here would come to live by the soul free from the bounderies of the noise of the mind than we could only see peace around .
There is no other place to reach but your heart for this is Home and this is where we are One.

Peace to all
mudra

:thumb_yello:

[THE eXchanger]

The 'real' story, is 'real' interesting ;)

it sure will be interesting, to see if the truth, is told

[Céline]

dont believe everything you read

[Jonah]

dont believe everything you read

If people actually practiced this we would not be in our current situation..

[Céline]

Excactly Jonah..thats why i always believe what i FEEL

[waitinginthewings]

A clever person like Abraxasinas should have known that posting sexually oriented content could get him banned.

It therefore wouldn't surprise me if he posted that stuff on purpose, reasoning that if he'd get banned, it would devide the members on this forum even more than they already were after the closing down of his Thuban thread.

Elementary, dear Watson.

if this is true, then he is manipulating the members of this forum, particularly those that were following & enjoying his material.

[Jonah]

even when your feelings may not be your own?

not asking you personally... just something to contemplate..

this is the reality we are dealing with her dear celine...

but at any rate i feel we shall bath in light at the end of the tunnel...

[Fredkc]

Well, 11 pages later and what I come away with is...

Note to self: Keep working on your forgiveness.

Fred

[Céline]

my feelings are always my own

Influence by enviroment or experience ofcourse alters all of our emotions

[THE eXchanger]

If people actually practiced this we would not be in our current situation..

wow jonah, that is a profound truth ... thanks for sharing it !!!

[Debby]

The 'real' story, is 'real' interesting ;)

it sure will be interesting, to see if the truth, is told


Sounds like you know more to this. Would you like to share?

[Anchor]

You know what, after sleeping on this, I have finally got something to say - I wanted to post something last night (my time) but I was not in my neutral space.

If there has been anykind of actionable content, or actionable abuse of the forum systems then the moderators of this forum MUST and SHOULD act to defend the forum.

All things being equal in terms of the information available, I would place my trust on the side of the moderators.

I'd say wait and see - at this point there is nothing to loose.

AJ..

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Excactly Jonah..thats why i always believe what i FEEL

What do you feel Celine?

[Céline]

Love Mary....love for myself....love for the people who are hurt.....its all i can let myself feel right now :)

[TruthWillSetUFree]

You know what, after sleeping on this, I have finally got something to say - I wanted to post something last night (my time) but I was not in my neutral space.

If there has been anykind of actionable content, or actionable abuse of the forum systems then the moderators of this forum MUST and SHOULD act to defend the forum.

All things being equal in terms of the information available, I would place my trust on the side of the moderators.

I'd say wait and see - at this point there is nothing to loose.

AJ..



I agree

when a decision is made FROM a neutral space



When a decision is made from a BIASED space

It renders the point MOOT and changes the context

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Love Mary....love for myself....love for the people who are hurt.....its all i can let myself feel right now :)


I understand

Where does the love of Truth fit in all the love you are talking about?

It may not be a person but equally important especially now love

You know this

[Céline]

Truth? oh ...dont get me started...

All i know is i was put in my place..i recognized MY mistakes and i am willing to grow and learn...

sigh

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Truth? oh ...dont get me started...

All i know is i was put in my place..i recognized MY mistakes and i am willing to grow and learn...

sigh

That is a very interesting take on the situation Celine

Here is mine

There is a lot of betrayal going on in Avalon.....

There are many Truths hidden because of FEAR

Many people are making assumptions, accusations and assessments that do not know the REAL story, or should I say the TRUTH behind the TRUTH

I understand what you are going through from what you have confided in me

Like I told you, I get betrayed by others, but I do not betray

There is a momentum building now

Thanks in part to your love and generosity dear Celine

I know the Light will shine the brightest when you need it the most and tear away the shadows that bind you

Don't ever forget how much WE love you, that will never change

In the Love of Christ and the Light of the New Earth,
I AM
Mary Elizabeth Catherine

[THE eXchanger]

Well, 11 pages later and what I come away with is...

Note to self: Keep working on your forgiveness.

Fred

yes, forgiveness, is definitely, a key

[TRANCOSO]

Well, 11 pages later and what I come away with is... Note to self: Keep working on your forgiveness.
Fred
Or try 'forgetfullness'.
By the way Fred, how's the ol' hat?

[777 The Great Work]

Hello Xchanger, i never said any symbol was bad. :original:

[THE eXchanger]

Hello Xchanger, i never said any symbol was bad. :original:

you tried every way you could, to try to run over things
and, you didn't do a very good job of it !!!

as for the story, i am, going to sit back,
and, see if, the 'real' truth of it all comes out !!!

it is NOT my story, to tell

[SteveX]

Wow 12 pages...tuck some reading after I accidentally found this thread. Glad I read it all before posting now.

So it'll (Thuban Thread) be back up as a read only. I think that should satisfy those that want to read it. As for Abrax posting member to sexually harass them... well… if that’s the case he deserves the ban. I think everyone can stand behind that. I’ll add this though... because the allegation isn't fully clarified or proven, as yet, if it's a set up then those doing the "setting up" should be banned. Everyone's aware of the animosity this thread has caused with some folk.

Having read all the post there is none other than the quoted thread below that has disturbed me the most. I'm surprised it's hardly been mentioned. Talk about the cotton wool brigade. (gawd..hope it's not a case of you guys knowing something I don't :nono: )


How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?

Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.

The forum guidelines state

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
Discussions that promote illicit drugs, pornography, foul language, violence, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, personal insults, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. Posts that violate these guidelines will be removed and the posters membership reviewed. IP addresses are logged.


I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.

:nono:


Brook...you later go onto say, within this thread, you posted 32 times in the Thuban thread.... Why? You didn't like the thing. You tuck offence with it. Why keep on reading it? That's akin to sticking your finger in the fire 32 time to see if it burns ...32 times :shocked:

I've read a couple of those romantic Mills & Boon novels and they are as sexually exsplicit as Abrax. Abrax falls short of the pornography and vulgarity I've read in those top shelf magazines, so I don't see your "sexual perversions" allegations ringing true. Again, if you objected to it on grounds of pornography and sexual perversion...why go back to it? Why didn't you hit the report tab from the get go. I honestly don't see the logic. You had free will to stay away and protect your somewhat Victorian values, with regards to sex. If you have issues there you need to understand the majority does not. I most certainly didn’t feel offended by the first post and I didn’t see any sexual innuendos after that.

If you say to me your 32 visits were to protect me or other members I would be compelled to say "HOW DARE YOU." I would point out to you it's little more than printed words. It's not going to eat me, hurt, distort me its just some geezer on the end of a computer. Much like the rest of us. If you perceive Abrax as evil, spreading distortions and lies pertaining to religion then that's your issue. If you deliberately countered Abrax to protect others or me from our selves, as you insinuated later in this thread, you can keep your arrogance and your cotton wool.

[TRANCOSO]

Quote:Originally Posted by GaiaLove
After receiving complaints of sexual harassment by several members of the forum against the user abraxasinas. Those complaints as well as a review of the increasingly sexually oriented posts on this site by him leaves the administration no choice but to deny him access to the forum as well as pull all his threads and posts pending any potential legal action by the members affected.

Project Avalon deeply regrets any harm suffered by its members


I can hardly believe that an intelligent (clever) & calculated person such as Abraxasinas, all of a sudden starts to post sexually oriented content for no apparent reason at all.

It therefore wouldn't surprise me if he posted that stuff on purpose, reasoning that if he'd get banned, it would divide the members on this forum again & probably even more, than they already were after the closing down of ‘his’ Thuban thread.

(‘Elementary, my dear Watson.’)

But maybe a slip of the pen has occurred – to show that he too, is only human – although that idea doesn’t seem very realistic to me, given the fact that nowhere in ‘his’ Thuban thread he ever lost his cool/control.

My personal experience with the moderators of this forum is, that getting banned takes a serious effort. Whenever I posted something that was truly ‘not done’, I got either a warning, or an infraction, but I wasn’t right away, ‘out of the blue’ completely banned. I suppose there are other members who have been ‘out of line’ occasionally, who can comply with this.

For the sake of the argument I’ll file these questions:
1) Did Abraxasinas receive a warning in order to take notice of the fact that his post(s) were not according to the rules of the forum? or,
2) Was he indeed straight away dumped/banned, without a chance to defend or apologize himself?

If the answer to question 1. is ‘No’ & question 2. is answered by ‘Yes’, we have a, in my opinion, a serious problem.

If, on the other hand, the answer is (1) 'Yes', & (2) 'No', than I suggest we quit attacking the moderators & start to support them in their ungrateful task.

In either way I’d like bring back to remembrance that only a couple of days ago the forum was closed down, and I most certainly haven’t seen anyone complain about the efforts being made, to get PA back online.

In fact it occurred to me that when PA disappeared, everybody gathered in the Avalon chatroom - all together: “Thank you, GaiaLove, for making this possible, & for setting up a chatroom, in your spare time, without any payment at all!”

So, to anyone who doesn’t comply with the way PA is run I’d like to say: Either start your own ‘Project Whatever’, or stop the senseless moaning!

[Northern Boy]

just to remind a few in this thread this forum is privately owned those that post are allowed to as long as they follow the guides lines . The fact that nothing was said if some one visited a thread 32 times or 100 means nothing and does not sweep the matter under the rug so to say making it ok .

[Carol]

Dear gita, it is clear you are new to this forum and have only been registered for 3 months. All members are encouraged to read the forum rules before they post.

The forum guidelines state:

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
Discussions that promote illicit drugs, pornography, foul language, violence, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, personal insults, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. Posts that violate these guidelines will be removed and the posters membership reviewed. IP addresses are logged.


The point of whether folks found the pictures hilarious or not isn’t the issue. The photos posted are clearly out of alignment with the guidelines as they are soft porn and should be deleted along with the other sexually related comments you made in your response, which is equally sexually offensive in content.

When I originally viewed these photos previously on other forums they were amusing as was the circumstance. I don’t find them amusing here. There are other ways of breaking negative energy other then posting soft porn photos. You may not think what you wrote or the pictures you posted offensive but others do and Bill would not approve. Bill is the founder of this forum and having worked with him these many months I know he would be offended as well.

And it is for this reason that I'm requesting you delete them... because of mutual respect for the founder of the forum and the other members who choose to honor the forum's guidelines.

With much aloha,
Carol

[TRANCOSO]

You may not think what you wrote or the pictures you posted offensive but others do and Bill would not approve. Bill is the founder of this forum and having worked with him these many months I know he would be offended as well. Carol
One cannot think for others, Carol.

[HaveBlue]

All forums end like this. Bill and Kerry said in the John Lear vid about ATS being a CIA front when John was banned from there.
I know nothing of abraxias or the thuban thread. I just read thew first 5 pages of this and the last. What are the charges? let's hear it.put up or shut up. Vague references of soft porn? let's see it?

Is it not a pot calling a kettle black when your own avatar can easily be called soft porn. You even have men posting they want to marry it!

Is it not condecending to state a certain member has only been here 3 months.
Criticize those that actually have a life and don't live on the avalon forum.
Those with the most posts wins do they? And just to be in line with the flakeyness of it all after putting the boot into some poor bugger we end with- love to you all. :mfr_lol:

(note how asking a question cannot be construed as a personal attack. Reporters do this all the time):sneaky2:

[BROOK]

Wow 12 pages...tuck some reading after I accidentally found this thread. Glad I read it all before posting now.

So it'll (Thuban Thread) be back up as a read only. I think that should satisfy those that want to read it. As for Abrax posting member to sexually harass them... well… if that’s the case he deserves the ban. I think everyone can stand behind that. I’ll add this though... because the allegation isn't fully clarified or proven, as yet, if it's a set up then those doing the "setting up" should be banned. Everyone's aware of the animosity this thread has caused with some folk.

Having read all the post there is none other than the quoted thread below that has disturbed me the most. I'm surprised it's hardly been mentioned. Talk about the cotton wool brigade. (gawd..hope it's not a case of you guys knowing something I don't :nono: )





Brook...you later go onto say, within this thread, you posted 32 times in the Thuban thread.... Why? You didn't like the thing. You tuck offence with it. Why keep on reading it? That's akin to sticking your finger in the fire 32 time to see if it burns ...32 times :shocked:

I've read a couple of those romantic Mills & Boon novels and they are as sexually exsplicit as Abrax. Abrax falls short of the pornography and vulgarity I've read in those top shelf magazines, so I don't see your "sexual perversions" allegations ringing true. Again, if you objected to it on grounds of pornography and sexual perversion...why go back to it? Why didn't you hit the report tab from the get go. I honestly don't see the logic. You had free will to stay away and protect your somewhat Victorian values, with regards to sex. If you have issues there you need to understand the majority does not. I most certainly didn’t feel offended by the first post and I didn’t see any sexual innuendos after that.

If you say to me your 32 visits were to protect me or other members I would be compelled to say "HOW DARE YOU." I would point out to you it's little more than printed words. It's not going to eat me, hurt, distort me its just some geezer on the end of a computer. Much like the rest of us. If you perceive Abrax as evil, spreading distortions and lies pertaining to religion then that's your issue. If you deliberately countered Abrax to protect others or me from our selves, as you insinuated later in this thread, you can keep your arrogance and your cotton wool.

It's very obvious it's a case of knowing something you don't . As you seem to have trouble with someone posting to material that is offensive first, and second inaccurate in many instances.
To my mind and many here it is twisted information to lure. And yes...32 times I swung at it to get to the bottom of what might be an accurate view. And each time, it was dodged, or at the very most led to another lure of inaccurate information..again twisted to conform to the ideas being presented....So, this is my take on it. And 32 times, even though I found much of the material repulsive, and strewn with an "agenda"...that of the makings of a cult....did I say cult? Yes I did..A CULT...that, again in my mind was worthy of addressing.

Have I done this to "protect" anyone? I'm not here to protect anyone. That is not my job. So "HOW DARE YOU" suggest that. I do however have the right to voice an opinion. And if my opinion is, that the first post is vulgar and laden with innuendo, then that is how I see it. I am not in the habit of hitting the report button. Reminds me of the school house tattle tale. And that is not something I would do. And I've seen many threads get shut down for much less.

Now you imply that words cannot eat you, or distort you...well you might want to give that a second thought. As there are written words out there...much of it published..and ancient in fact that have distorted the whole world..and people have been following those words..and hanging on to those words for dear life. So think about that, and the effect that words used on that thread might sway someone to change their life for if they took it all in, and believed it all.

As for the sexual nature of the posts...well, again we are entitled to our opinion..and the rules of the forum stand. And here is a clue..it was not I that reported the sexual nature of the thread, or the harassment ...I was just pointing out the obvious. As you seemed to not be offended by it, I would include you as one of the ones that seemed titillated and lured by it. so without question you should go follow your dragon.
:nono:

[Stardustaquarion]

HOLMES is my middle name Stardust.
You don't become a LORD of the GFL just because you're incredibly handsome! :wink2:
LORD SHERLOCK H. TRANCOSO

Ok Holmes Lord Trancoso I love Swany and your GLF and your sense of humonr of course:wink2:

[Stardustaquarion]

if this is true, then he is manipulating the members of this forum, particularly those that were following & enjoying his material.

I think so too

Love to all

[gita]

Dear gita, it is clear you are new to this forum and have only been registered for 3 months. All members are encouraged to read the forum rules before they post.

The forum guidelines state:

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The point of whether folks found the pictures hilarious or not isn’t the issue. The photos posted are clearly out of alignment with the guidelines as they are soft porn and should be deleted along with the other sexually related comments you made in your response, which is equally sexually offensive in content.
When I originally viewed these photos previously on other forums they were amusing as was the circumstance. I don’t find them amusing here. There are other ways of breaking negative energy other then posting soft porn photos. You may not think what you wrote or the pictures you posted offensive but others do and Bill would not approve. Bill is the founder of this forum and having worked with him these many months I know he would be offended as well.

And it is for this reason that I'm requesting you delete them... because of mutual respect for the founder of the forum and the other members who choose to honor the forum's guidelines.

With much aloha,
Carol

Dear Carol

First please note that I did not use any ‘sexually related comments’ in my response as you wrongly point out. Those were in quotation marks as those remarks were made by another ‘newbe’ on the thread so please re-read my post before commenting. As for the pics, they are from celebs in character so please send your complaint to Hollywood - and if you have something against the village people and Lego– well there’s nothing much I can say to that! I was also not aware that there was a ‘humour police’ roaming the forums and that there was a law against laughter.

Please don’t imply just because I’ve been here for three months that I have less right than you – that’s just ego talk and I will not comment to that any further.

Also please note that I already have a mum who long ago stopped telling me what I should or should not do. I do however welcome people’s opinions yet reserve the right to hold on to mine.

My thanks to Transco and Haveblue for your common sense and support but apparently your post does not really count Haveblue as you’ve not notched up almost 2000 post to be even considered (just like myself).

You can drag this out as much as you wish Carol but I’m not going to play that game and continue to explain myself as the whole thing is completely ridiculous. If you need to then please re-read my last posts as it explains it all.

It continues to amaze me how some people try to project themselves as loving, caring and understanding but when it comes down to it they fail themselves miserably. It’s one thing to know one self as these things but it’s another thing to be and show yourself as such. Sigh...

Peace.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO
A clever person like Abraxasinas should have known that posting sexually oriented content could get him banned.

It therefore wouldn't surprise me if he posted that stuff on purpose, reasoning that if he'd get banned, it would devide the members on this forum even more than they already were after the closing down of his Thuban thread.

Elementary, dear Watson.


Originally posted by Waitinginthewings:
if this is true, then he is manipulating the members of this forum, particularly those that were following & enjoying his material.

This is speculation adding log to the fire.
We can only rely on facts.

Love Always
mudra

[tacodog]

We have full free will and ability to manifest whatever we want, including bullies. The bullies volunteer, the bullied volunteer, and the law of attraction puts the pieces together. You can believe it's not so all you like. That won't change it. This is the current template, and we all signed up for it, if we're here.

There is no such thing as spiritually irresponsible. Any more than there is victim. There is free will and choice, even when they are used to deny oneself free will and choice. Nobody else can do it.

What if, and I say if, you are half right? What if our "soul" our "free will" has been imprisoned by who knows what. When we expire (in this 3d world) we are then reprogrammed to either be the victim, the bully, or whatever "it"/"they" like (harvested) and then sent back to 3d so we can keep performing for it/them in the 3d world, perhaps feeding them energy? Just a thought. :tears::shocked:

[morguana]

You know what, after sleeping on this, I have finally got something to say - I wanted to post something last night (my time) but I was not in my neutral space.

If there has been anykind of actionable content, or actionable abuse of the forum systems then the moderators of this forum MUST and SHOULD act to defend the forum.

All things being equal in terms of the information available, I would place my trust on the side of the moderators.

I'd say wait and see - at this point there is nothing to loose.

AJ..

thank you anchor, balenced as always, much love to you

m x

[Kulapops]

You know, I swore I wasn't going to log on today...

However, on logging on , I found that my consciousness had created a twelve page thread on Abraxinas in my two day absence. :original:

I could almost swear that I had absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever... but that all depends on how you believe the universe works.

Wow. "What is it trying to tell me?", I wondered.

I mean I could have logged in and found everyone talking about small fluffy animals, or the latest sweet potato curry recipe.

But no, it seems that after a week of downed forums and an argument (perhaps) between our foster parents, what my wonderful subconsciousness, or the subconsciousness of the universe (for they are the same , innit?) wants is... more of the same.

As in, same poo, different day. Can I even say 'poo' here? Don't wish to be scattalogically offensive.

Anyway, I thought Abraxinas originally had something to do with Abraxas, one of my altime favourite albums by Santana. Check it out if you have Spotify or some such.

When my first glance at the original thread revealed that this was not about slashing guitar solos, I wandered away. Because I don't generally understand or 'get' channeled or privy information that can only be got from a single source.

In my life, truth is a truth wherever you find it, and discovery of that truth is a truth for all, if I tell you about it, you should be able to verify for yourself that it is indeed a truth for you too. You may have noticed, but these kinds of truth are quite small on the ground, and generally quite simple.

Would anyone here deny the existence of love? Of how it feels, to feel love for someone, or to feel loved by someone. To feel love for the human race, or for plants, or animals or rocks, or parsnips?

So I'm fairly happy in my own mind that love is a truth. What point would there be in me discussing anything else that I'm not sure of?

Well, love and music. That's two truths for me then.

well, love, music, and sunshine..makes you feel good, that's three truths,

Love, music, sunshine and a sense of community.

Er, I'll come in again... [Monty Python's spanish inquisition reference ]

A sense of community. That would be nice. That's why I log in, because I'm willing to believe that a sense of community is what the human race is missing. I don't know this. This last one is an exploration. That's why I joined.

See? I've got my hand up. Anyone else looking for that too?

To see that the human race is one community, the 'good' and the 'bad' is to place us all in the same boat. there is no them, there is no us, there is no 'shesaid...' there is no 'hesaid...' whatever you like about A, you like about yourself. Whatever you dislike about B, you detest in yourself. This is a simple truth that is working for me.

So how can I be angry about him or her, how can I say this to them (me?) ?

In the words of that Radiohead song (you do it to yourself, you do..you and no one else)

Peace and love to you all,

K :wub2:

P.S. I'm putting in an order to my subconscious about small fluffy white animals and recipes next time I'm away.

[Fredkc]

Or try 'forgetfullness'.
By the way Fred, how's the ol' hat?

Thisa one?

http://fredsitelive.com/images/Avatars2/TFR4D2.png

Or this one?

http://fredsitelive.com/personal/FredAtFairS.jpg

...or... this'n ?

http://fredsitelive.com/personal/mepics/meinuniform.jpg

[Myplanet2]

What if, and I say if, you are half right? What if our "soul" our "free will" has been imprisoned by who knows what. When we expire (in this 3d world) we are then reprogrammed to either be the victim, the bully, or whatever "it"/"they" like (harvested) and then sent back to 3d so we can keep performing for it/them in the 3d world, perhaps feeding them energy? Just a thought. :tears::shocked:

And it's a legit question. (BTW, ODM? Is that you???) But no, it's not like that, unless of course you've contracted with some entity or entity group to perform just such a mirroring exercise for you. Free will always. even and especially when it appears otherwise.

From your higher seats of consciousness, you know everything you could possibly want to. As you contact and start to restore your connections in that regard, you become rather fool proof, because your true self knows what is truly going on, and knows of it's experiments and "arrangements".

If you believe you have some question about whether there is a hidden hand up your butt (metaphorically speaking) then it's easy enough to discern, provided you can hear the answer. You simply ask. Just picture yourself turning around and demanding "hey!!...you there in the bushes!!...show and identify yourself." It has no choice but to comply, but don't be surprised to hear "you asked for it".

[Myplanet2]

You know, I swore I wasn't going to log on today...

However, on logging on , I found that my consciousness had created a twelve page thread on Abraxinas in my two day absence. :original:

I could almost swear that I had absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever... but that all depends on how you believe the universe works.

Wow. "What is it trying to tell me?", I wondered.

I mean I could have logged in and found everyone talking about small fluffy animals, or the latest sweet potato curry recipe.

But no, it seems that after a week of downed forums and an argument (perhaps) between our foster parents, what my wonderful subconsciousness, or the subconsciousness of the universe (for they are the same , innit?) wants is... more of the same.

As in, same poo, different day. Can I even say 'poo' here? Don't wish to be scattalogically offensive.

Anyway, I thought Abraxinas originally had something to do with Abraxas, one of my altime favourite albums by Santana. Check it out if you have Spotify or some such.

When my first glance at the original thread revealed that this was not about slashing guitar solos, I wandered away. Because I don't generally understand or 'get' channeled or privy information that can only be got from a single source.

In my life, truth is a truth wherever you find it, and discovery of that truth is a truth for all, if I tell you about it, you should be able to verify for yourself that it is indeed a truth for you too. You may have noticed, but these kinds of truth are quite small on the ground, and generally quite simple.

Would anyone here deny the existence of love? Of how it feels, to feel love for someone, or to feel loved by someone. To feel love for the human race, or for plants, or animals or rocks, or parsnips?

So I'm fairly happy in my own mind that love is a truth. What point would there be in me discussing anything else that I'm not sure of?

Well, love and music. That's two truths for me then.

well, love, music, and sunshine..makes you feel good, that's three truths,

Love, music, sunshine and a sense of community.

Er, I'll come in again... [Monty Python's spanish inquisition reference ]

A sense of community. That would be nice. That's why I log in, because I'm willing to believe that a sense of community is what the human race is missing. I don't know this. This last one is an exploration. That's why I joined.

See? I've got my hand up. Anyone else looking for that too?

To see that the human race is one community, the 'good' and the 'bad' is to place us all in the same boat. there is no them, there is no us, there is no 'shesaid...' there is no 'hesaid...' whatever you like about A, you like about yourself. Whatever you dislike about B, you detest in yourself. This is a simple truth that is working for me.

So how can I be angry about him or her, how can I say this to them (me?) ?

In the words of that Radiohead song (you do it to yourself, you do..you and no one else)

Peace and love to you all,

K :wub2:

P.S. I'm putting in an order to my subconscious about small fluffy white animals and recipes next time I'm away.

My hand is up on community. We just have some bumps to iron out on the way. The idea of "what bumps" is getting harder to maintain.

[Boober]

BREAKING NEWS! I heard the thuban material will return. A second coming of the Jesus Dragon Star will be reborn and I will follow it with the rest of you. But....... My bible doesnt give specifics on when he and the info will

return. Maybe 2012 , maybe after the thuban antichrist dragon white dwarf shows up. Its all speculation right now but know this...Oh wait im typing on the wrong thread! this is the sexual harassment case huh? My fault.

Hopefully , just maybe the return wont sexually attack people on this forum. Bc that is crossing the line or maybe its not. So the question is now, if someone presents really cool blue like material that has cool stuff you never

heard of and your all giddy about this new form of thought and it seems to be an evolved discussion should it get to say whatever it wants? Even if it says stuff that deals with sexual harassment? Lets define the different levels outloud, why not?

Sexual harassment is by far the most common form of workplace harassment. Under state and federal law, unlawful sexual harassment is defined as unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, under any of the following conditions: (a) submission to such conduct is made a condition of employment, either expressly or impliedly, (b) submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for employment decisions affecting that individual, or (c) such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment. Now switch workplace with forum interaction.

And just to add on top of this and sincee some of you assumed the worse like this banning was the cause of the illumantii , lets take this paranoid assuming the worst ideal and apply it to sexual harasment on a forum. What is the

worst form of sexual harassment you can imagine that can take place on this forum?? Now like you did earilier assume it happened! oh wait what you dont want to? lol, im over it.

[TRANCOSO]

Thisa one?

http://fredsitelive.com/images/Avatars2/TFR4D2.png

Or this one?

http://fredsitelive.com/personal/FredAtFairS.jpg

...or... this'n ?

http://fredsitelive.com/personal/mepics/meinuniform.jpg
Who needs a hat with a head like that?
(Fred!)
:lmfao::roll1::lmao:

[Myplanet2]

BREAKING NEWS! I heard the thuban material will return. A second coming of the Jesus Dragon Star will be reborn and I will follow it with the rest of you. But....... My bible doesnt give specifics on when he and the info will

return. Maybe 2012 , maybe after the thuban antichrist dragon white dwarf shows up. Its all speculation right now but know this...Oh wait im typing on the wrong thread! this is the sexual harassment case huh? My fault.

Hopefully , just maybe the return wont sexually attack people on this forum. Bc that is crossing the line or maybe its not. So the question is now, if someone presents really cool blue like material that has cool stuff you never

heard of and your all giddy about this new form of thought and it seems to be an evolved discussion should it get to say whatever it wants? Even if it says stuff that deals with sexual harassment? Lets define the different levels outloud, why not?

Sexual harassment is by far the most common form of workplace harassment. Under state and federal law, unlawful sexual harassment is defined as unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, under any of the following conditions: (a) submission to such conduct is made a condition of employment, either expressly or impliedly, (b) submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for employment decisions affecting that individual, or (c) such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment. Now switch workplace with forum interaction.

And just to add on top of this and sincee some of you assumed the worse like this banning was the cause of the illumantii , lets take this paranoid assuming the worst ideal and apply it to sexual harasment on a forum. What is the

worst form of sexual harassment you can imagine that can take place on this forum?? Now like you did earilier assume it happened! oh wait what you dont want to? lol, im over it.

Jeez, man. Some compassion for the wounded?

[Céline]

he looks blue to me

[SteveX]

It's very obvious it's a case of knowing something you don't. As you seem to have trouble with someone posting to material that is offensive first (in your opinion), and second inaccurate in many instances. Censorship is no accomplishment for truth.
To my mind and many here (not according to the poll. There can be many to a minority) it is twisted information to lure. And yes...32 times I swung at it to get to the bottom of what might be an accurate view. And each time, it was dodged, (I also noticed that) or at the very most led to another lure of inaccurate information..again twisted to conform to the ideas being presented....So, this is my take on it. And 32 times, even though I found much of the material repulsive, (you still had to peak in that metaphorical top shelf magazine) and strewn with an "agenda"...that of the makings of a cult....did I say cult? Yes I did..A CULT...that, again in my mind was worthy of addressing. I didn’t see a cult in the making. The same charge has been levied to Project Camalot. Are we in a cult here? I don’t feel that. All I see is a geezer at a computer trying to explain his theory. Much like the rest of us expressing our whacked out ideas, theories, beliefs and eccentricities.

Have I done this to "protect" anyone? I'm not here to protect anyone. That is not my job. So "HOW DARE YOU" suggest that. I do however have the right to voice an opinion. And if my opinion is, that the first post is vulgar and laden with innuendo, then that is how I see it. I am not in the habit of hitting the report button. Reminds me of the school house tattle tale. And that is not something I would do. And I've seen many threads get shut down for much less. I see this a contradiction. If your opinion believes it to be a cult and YOU personally are not drawn to it as stated to by your objections. Why then keep going back to the metaphorical top shelf. I’m afraid this is a tad Marry Whitehouse. If you don’t need saving then who does. I'm drawn to conclude that its me, us, the community…what? What you :wall: for?

Now you imply that words cannot eat you, or distort you...well you might want to give that a second thought. As there are written words out there...much of it published..and ancient in fact that have distorted the whole world..and people have been following those words..and hanging on to those words for dear life. So think about that, and the effect that words used on that thread might sway someone to change their life for if they took it all in, and believed it all. I’m getting that save you vib again. A contradiction of the above paragraph. Seems to me that if you fear Abrax’s posts as distortion and leading people astray, you best being going head to head with the major religions and media. They do far worse than a disabled Australian man sat at a computer.

As for the sexual nature of the posts...well, again we are entitled to our opinion..and the rules of the forum stand. And here is a clue..it was not I that reported the sexual nature of the thread, or the harassment ...I was just pointing out the obvious. As you seemed to not be offended by it, I would include you as one of the ones that seemed titillated and lured by it. So without question you should go follow your dragon.

I neither agreed with Abrax’s theory, testimony or thought any of it titillating (not that that is reason for condemnation for the whole thread) but I believe he and you have a right to an opinion and free speech. What I cannot condone is your WILLINGNESS, your own free will, to go and read a thread that offends you…then have the gal to complain about it. Abrax didn’t force you to read it. I, we, they didn't force you to read it. In the same way that no one forces you to read top shelf magazines or watch late night cable porn. You, being of tender persuasion, have NOONE but yourself to blame for being offended. Metaphorically you opened the magazine. You watched the cable porn. THIS IS THE CRUX OF IT.

[Myplanet2]

I neither agreed with Abrax’s theory, testimony or thought any of it titillating (not that that is reason for condemnation for the whole thread) but I believe he and you have a right to an opinion and free speech. What I cannot condone is your WILLINGNESS, your own free will, to go and read a thread that offends you…then have the gal to complain about it. Abrax didn’t force you to read it. I, we, they didn't force you to read it. In the same way that no one forces you to read top shelf magazines or watch late night cable porn. You, being of tender persuasion, have NOONE but yourself to blame for being offended. Metaphorically ou opened the magazine. You watched the cable porn. THIS IS THE CRUX OF IT.

Everyone has their own CRUX to bear. HAHAHAHA. Mine is that those who can't edit their own thoughts and behaviours want to impose rules on everybody else to make up for their own short comings. I won't miss THAT structure from the old matrix.

[rhythm]

PJ6LwRcPx8Q

please find your way to your hearts

and lets forgive

if there is enything to forgive

i send my open hand out out ALL

and hope to toutch your hearts

peace and free falling ...

would you rather be right
or happy {Louise Hay }

[Kulapops]

please find your way to your hearts

and lets forgive

if there is enything to forgive

i send my open hand out out ALL

and hope to toutch your hearts

peace and free falling ...

would you rather be right
or happy {Louise Hay }

'Abraxas' ? They're a tribute band Rhythm...

Aint' nothin' like the real thing, Baby..

Santana....

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Even if Carlos does look as if he's 'channeling something' while playing the guitar in this clip

[BROOK]

I neither agreed with Abrax’s theory, testimony or thought any of it titillating (not that that is reason for condemnation for the whole thread) but I believe he and you have a right to an opinion and free speech. What I cannot condone is your WILLINGNESS, your own free will, to go and read a thread that offends you…then have the gal to complain about it. Abrax didn’t force you to read it. I, we, they didn't force you to read it. In the same way that no one forces you to read top shelf magazines or watch late night cable porn. You, being of tender persuasion, have NOONE but yourself to blame for being offended. Metaphorically you opened the magazine. You watched the cable porn. THIS IS THE CRUX OF IT.

Bravo! You are in the same family as your signature video. "Save me vibes" from a paragraph in answer to the same question. ...:mfr_lol:

You go Mr commentator....(Bill O'Reilly would be proud) while I continue to digest the bile from all that "gall"....again :mfr_lol:

And as any good politically motivated commontator...let's dodge the issue all together. As the post was in answer to a statement made by a member that was as follows....

but I know abrax hurt nobody...You sure did learn one thing from the Thuban thread....and that is the same style of answer...fits to a tee....I'm on the 18th hole...."fore" ...and heading for the clubhouse for some good laughs, and giving you no further comment as it is not worth my time....:mfr_lol:

[fr66ajc]

Pity all this has kicked off. I have been a 'now and then' lurker on the forum. I have little time to read and less time to post. Most of the time I was absorbing the interviews B&K put up on PC.

I finally get the courage up to get a little more involved, spot the Thuban thread and wonder what all the fuss is about and BAMM!!! it's taken down. So I really have no idea what the content was.

If the allegations are as stated by the mods, I find the removal of ALL posts by Abraxasina a little odd. Other forums remove the offending posts and leave the rest up.

As for the bickering and lambasting, well... Far be it for a relative newbe to stick my oar in but if someone has a real gripe then they should take it to the site owners.

Everyone is on their own paths and everyone is at their own stage of unfoldment. I don't believe myself to be very far along the path but I do see plenty of 'unenlightened' behavior here at the moment (in general - no names - just my view).

Negativity is what it is and there does seem to be rather a lot around, which is a shame because it immediately makes me hesitate to post something, however there was one thing said to me during a particular ceremony I was party too several years ago.

'Fear is failure'

Failure to confront your own issues with what is going on causes the aggression displayed to others. Therefore I buckle down, take the metaphorical bull by the horns and post anyway, waiting for a possible rant about my views and thoughts.

Blow me, I get polite and reasonable replies. No need to fear...

I have no wish to tell anyone what to do, doing so goes against my make-up, but I do think a few more 'chill pills' taken with a large dose of self reflection and meditation on why people are so narked about this issue would help.

I would like to read the posts but can't. So be it. I'll read something else.

Peace and love to one and all

93 93/93
Love is the Law, Love under Will

[Boober]

Jeez, man. Some compassion for the wounded?

What up myplanet2

My fault, BREAKING NEWS! was to extreme, lol,jk, but seriously people. I got mad compassion for the wounded.

GENTLE NEWS! Boober has a lot of compassion for the wounded. If my news alert got to you, just ignore it, just like i ignore your stuff. Balance has been restored!

[Boober]

.. Far be it for a relative newbe to stick my oar in but if someone has a real gripe then they should take it to the site owners.



Is this meant to be ironic because your not a newbe?? or something like that

[fr66ajc]

Is this meant to be ironic because your not a newbe?? or something like that

not ironic... only recently started posting ... that sort of newbie. I signed up months ago but never actually participated. So long time occasional lurker, only the last few weeks actually posting regularly.

:original:

[BROOK]

10 Ways to Build a Cult-Like Following

By JK Ellis
Author of Mind Control 101

Recently I was contacted by a very successful Internet marketer who asked me what I would suggest to someone who wanted to create a cult-like following.

This is right down my ally so I gave him some very good advice that he couldn't wait to put into action but the question got me thinking. What steps are there for anyone who wants people to want his/her attention and wisdom?

The result are 10 ways to build a cult-like following. Of course each one of them could be a book in itself but here goes.

1. Initiation vs. Instruction
There is a marked difference between learning by instruction and learning by initiation.

Most people give instruction. This is nothing more than stating facts and teach processes. Any good teacher does that as well as most bad ones.

Learning by initiation is about creating an experience that makes the learning personal and visceral to the student. A good example of that is the 1984 movie “The Karate Kid” . On the one hand you have the macho western karate instructor who taught his students by instruction in a skill 'n' drill process. On the other hand you have the character played by Pat Marito who says that he will teach Ralph Macchios' character karate in exchange for doing chores. But the chores must be done in a certain way “This way wax on. This way wax off.” Only later does the young hero find out that there was a method to his instructors madness and when he figured it out it made complete sense to him as if struck by a lightening bolt.

There are many things that you could simply tell someone and they would intellectually understand but they wouldn't “get it” as an insight. They would only see it as information. The result is that they may use it or they may not.

Teaching by initiation means holding back on simply telling what the student wants to know and instead provide an experience where the student “gets it” on their own.

The subjective experience of the student is that the lesson is much more valuable because 1) they had to work for it and 2) it is felt more personally.

2. Being Accessible

Someone once told me that “There are no long lines for the guru at the bottom of the hill.”

Making yourself scarce adds perceived value but it also distances you from the masses. If you want a cult-like following you need access to the masses otherwise you're just an ivory tower wannabe.

There is an ingenious compromise.

Be accessible as a person but present your knowledge and wisdom as being rare, expensive, mysterious, and only for those who are truly ready for it.

This compromise allows you to build deep personal bonds with people yet have them want more or your presence... as well as be willing to pay for it.

Keep in mind that one cult leader, 2000 years ago, would speak to anyone who would listen but he granted his most sacred attention to his 12 closest disciples.

You can add to this compromise by having “special times” when you are not accessible to anyone. You can tell people that you are meditating, or doing your “spiritual practice” but you don't have to say anything. It's the mystery of why you are absent that you want to cultivate.

3. Imply Secret Knowledge

The role of simply remaining calm and silent will recur again in this essay so I can't understate it. Here is where silence is worth a 1000 words. Saying things like “Hmmm... There are 100 possible solutions to that within your own mind.” and nothing else implies things that you know and that they should know.

4. Remaining calm as if all-knowing

Any sharp change in your emotional state, with the exception of joy and laughter, should be minimized. Any leader/teacher who goes on an angry rant is demonstrating their own lack of control. If you truly have control it should be demonstrated by an unshakable calm as if everything is happening just as you knew it would.

I've always remembered that the scariest martial artist are the ones that don't talk or threaten... they calmly do what they have to do and walk away.

5. Create a detached involvement as if “you” are in a “higher place”

In doing this people will look to you as if there is something more to you than your mere physical presence.

6. Connect deeply with the individual

Here rapport is vital. When you are with people you need to put aside all of your distractions, obligations and problems to focus completely on the person or people you to whom you are speaking.

7. “Chunk Up” whenever possible

This may be a bit abstract to grasp but it's important to creating an appeal because it forces people to think in bigger terms. When you do consistently if gives the impression that you are always thinking bigger than them.

“Chunking Up” is an NLP term that means referring to something that contains what is spoken about as a subset . It can also refer to something that controls or has a larger reach than the topic at hand.

As an example when a person asks “Do you enjoy adult beverages?” a chunked up response would be “There are many adult pleasures I enjoy.” Here, “beverages” is a subset of “pleasures”.

Another example : Statement: “I'll go with you if you promise to control yourself.” Response “I have no intention of controlling how much I enjoy myself.” Here “control” is a subset of “Enjoyment”.

8. Always allude to the mysterious

This can be done by doing the opposite of name dropping. Refer to a very skilled person you learned from who doesn't normally take students. Mention an arcane text that describes a mysterious process you went through. Mention it took you ten years of study to read between the lines and find the real meaning to the work.

9. God-Like Confidence

Here is where the work of Blair Warren in “The Worlds Greatest Cult” really comes in handy. He describes what's called “The God Complex” which encompasses many of the concepts discussed here.

The God Complex is a great example of “chunking up” because it's about seeing EVERYTHING that can possibly happen as if it's all part of the plan and being okay with it.

The God Complex is about having such a larger view of the world and your place in it so that what you are doing, this very moment , regardless of what transpires will be as if it was meant to you be.

The bottom line is that people are going to judge and criticize you; you'll have deal with money and security issues; relationships will change... no matter what. The God Complex includes all of that in a philosophy that allows you to deal with it in a healthy perspective.

10. Appeal to peoples needs and wants

A deep understanding about what people truly respond to is vital if you want to influence anyone. Each individual has their own wants and needs that you have keep in the forefront of your mind.

Good NLP training will help you with that.

People will also respond to the same basic needs being fulfilled; the need to be needed, the need for hope in a tough time, the need to feel in control, the need blame something else for their troubles, the need to learn about something they don't know or not supposed to know.

http://www.mindpowernews.com/BuildACult.htm

[Majorion]

Heres my take, very simple.

If its true Abrax sexually harassed somebody here or more than one person, then yes, he deserved the ban. I think the issue here is whether his Thuban thread should go on or not... I think, if the person was proven to have some malicious intent (re the harassment) then it does justify closing the thread as well, but 'not' completely deleting it from public view, unless some of the material was truly offensive and inappropriate, well then I'd agree with the last mod decision to ban OP and delete the thread, just as things are.

Some of the mods apparently are not in agreement, but I have no reason to believe the harassment claims are a fabrication by any of the mods here.

The problem with deleting threads without full clarification is it makes people even more curious as to the content. I think it would be better if the main Thuban thread (Q&A) were restored publicly, not necessarily opening the thread, but just to let people read the material (those who have not yet) and decide for themselves.

[Kikine]

Heres my take, very simple.

If its true Abrax sexually harassed somebody here or more than one person, then yes, he deserved the ban. I think the issue here is whether his Thuban thread should go on or not... I think, if the person was proven to have some malicious intent (re the harassment) then it does justify closing the thread as well, but 'not' completely deleting it from public view, unless some of the material was truly offensive and inappropriate, well then I'd agree with the last mod decision to ban OP and delete the thread, just as things are.

Some of the mods apparently are not in agreement, but I have no reason to believe the harassment claims are a fabrication by any of the mods here.

The problem with deleting threads without full clarification is it makes people even more curious as to the content. I think it would be better if the main Thuban thread (Q&A) were restored publicly, not necessarily opening the thread, but just to let people read the material (those who have not yet) and decide for themselves.

Agreed:original:

[Carol]

Reposting other member's sexually offensive posts is equally offensive and all such posts need to be reported to the moderators.

The Thuban thread has been moved to the moderator's area where it cannot be viewed by the members, not deleted.

[eleni]

Richard this is wrong and you know it

Who complained?

How many of us women talk to Abraxas and none that I know have been harassed

Who was it? We have the right to know or is it only for your information?

I spoke to Abrax- he only treated me with kindness and respect.

[Céline]

Richard this is wrong and you know it

Who complained?

How many of us women talk to Abraxas and none that I know have been harassed

Who was it? We have the right to know or is it only for your information?

Why is it our right to know?

[Myplanet2]

Why is it our right to know?

well because otherwise it might all be made up. Let's see the weapons of mass destruction before the bombs start blowing up innocent civilians.

[Céline]

well because otherwise it might all be made up. Let's see the weapons of mass destruction before the bombs start blowing up innocent civilians.

You do realize someones privacy...legaly..when it comes to these issues(on this forum OR off).means more then your "need to know"....

if someone in an office..complained about her boss...should ALL employees be told?? i think there is actualy a law PREVENTING a company from sharring that info..

[Rocky_Shorz]

I spoke to Abrax- he only treated me with kindness and respect.

years ago while monitoring a site, one suspect who everyone loved because he treated everyone with kindness and respect was in private smoozing women to the point they were falling in love with him.

He would pay for them to come visit him, plane or bus ticket...

well one escaped and told of her experience of being forced into prostitution.

look at some of the cults that have surfaced over the last 10 years always a leader and multiple cases of child rape in the name of a higher power...

I appreciate knowing the Mods were quick enough to catch it and pull it aside for an investigation myself.

[Myplanet2]

You do realize someones privacy...legaly..when it comes to these issues(on this forum OR off).means more then your "need to know"....

if someone in an office..complained about her boss...should ALL employees be told?? i think there is actualy a law PREVENTING a company from sharring that info..

Just apply that logic to my example.

"Originally Posted by Myplanet2
well because otherwise it might all be made up. Let's see the weapons of mass destruction before the bombs start blowing up innocent civilians."

Sorry, national security concerns prevent our being able to divulge anything about the weapons of mass destruction.

On the surface, you might say, yeah, national security trumps need to know. But it was BS and a sick ploy to harm a huge number of innocent people.

If you accuse someone of something, the onus is on YOU to back it up. you can't prove a negative. You can't toss an accusation and then say "there...now prove you didn't do that". Sorry. What world do we live in, anyway.

[orthodoxymoron]

Here's a random thought in the midst of this love-fest...I wonder what a reptilian argument is like? I wonder what a grey argument is like? Or...I wonder what a human vs reptilian vs grey argument is like? Can't we just all get along? Obviously not. Namaste? What would abraxasinas say? What would the Thubans do?

:mad3::tongue2::trumpet::zip::lightsabre::nono:

[kriya]

What would the Thubans do?


Apparently, they would eat you :original:

LOVE

Kriya

[mntruthseeker]

Apparently, they would eat you :original:

LOVE

Kriya




What a beautiful statement Thanks for bringing humor to this thread

:naughty:

[Myplanet2]

Apparently, they would eat you :original:

LOVE

Kriya

True. I hear we taste like chicken.

[Céline]

Just apply that logic to my example.

"Originally Posted by Myplanet2
well because otherwise it might all be made up. Let's see the weapons of mass destruction before the bombs start blowing up innocent civilians."

Sorry, national security concerns prevent our being able to divulge anything about the weapons of mass destruction.

On the surface, you might say, yeah, national security trumps need to know. But it was BS and a sick ploy to harm a huge number of innocent people.

If you accuse someone of something, the onus is on YOU to back it up. you can't prove a negative. You can't toss an accusation and then say "there...now prove you didn't do that". Sorry. What world do we live in, anyway.

This is NOT NATIONAL SECURITY!!!

THIS IS someones pain...true or not..this is a serious thing...

God ..please ...

[orthodoxymoron]

I wonder what they taste like? Perhaps we should start eating them! Tit for Tat...or is that offensive? :naughty:

[mntruthseeker]

Im sure its been done already

No doubt they will taste like chicken

[BROOK]

years ago while monitoring a site, one suspect who everyone loved because he treated everyone with kindness and respect was in private smoozing women to the point they were falling in love with him.

He would pay for them to come visit him, plane or bus ticket...

well one escaped and told of her experience of being forced into prostitution.

look at some of the cults that have surfaced over the last 10 years always a leader and multiple cases of child rape in the name of a higher power...

I appreciate knowing the Mods were quick enough to catch it and pull it aside for an investigation myself.


Thanks for the information! Maybe some can see what it is that might be going on. I leave it up to the mods to determine, as the right to privacy is an issue here...and what you have said in this post might very well fit.

How are we to know that is not the case. And since when is it our right to get involved in the privacy of others?

I can only make my view known. If those of you who don't agree, choose to follow Abraxis...you also have that right...Last I heard the internet is avaliable to go to his domaine. And all of the same post and copy information is there for the taking. :thumb_yello:

[orthodoxymoron]

When the elites go into the underground bases...the elites with good taste will serve the reps the elites who taste good. 'Gimme an Oysters Rockefeller...Rare!' Eat at Elites! :lol3: Sorry...I know that was in poor taste...but I just can't resist sometimes. I mean no ill-will to the elites or to the reptilians. I'm an equal opportunity insulter and $m@rt@$$. I'm trying really, really hard to evolve...but it's not working! Oh wretched man that I am! No wonder there's a quarantine!

[Myplanet2]

This is NOT NATIONAL SECURITY!!!

THIS IS someones pain...true or not..this is a serious thing...

God ..please ...

What pain? who's pain? I don't see anyones pain? I see assumptions. You said in another thread you don't know who or what. So what pain are you talking about? neither was THAT national security. you see? anybody can say anything they want. Anybody...can....at any time....say anything.....that they want. And then post it. Does that make it fact?

Maybe there is pain. I don't know that. And neither apparently, do you. Yet you assume it's there. I'm not a fan of acting on assumptions. Or were you lying when you said Richard didn't give you details?

We'll find out, or we won't. But I can guarantee you that there won't be healing unless it becomes clear nobody is lying on this situation. Not going to make believe.

[Lionhawk]

And even if you saw the bombs, what would you do about it? Just whine some more over something that has not effected you one way or the other but since you have your freedom of speech, you think you can abuse it by you barking your insinuations just to be heard, creating further dis respect to those who have been effected by it? Whhoaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are so enlightened that I just want to puke. And the other two who attack from the other angles, remind me of how the Raptors prey on their prey. The ultimate ambush.

Sorry folks but if the mods aren't going to draw a line here with this, I have to say something. For one thing, there have been members here that have literally been attacked. I have been contacted by some of these members asking for help. They were also in real distress. Do you, MP2 have any concept of what that means? I am sure you do not get such requests for help because the writing is on the wall or in your posts as to why. Everyone in their right mind can see right through you and the other two. You're just not a happy camper because your station of power that was in your reach in this scenario had the doors slammed shut on it. You still may hold that station but not with the same authority that you thought you deserved.

All I have been watching is a movie here at this forum with so many two faced characters. And don't even infer about any enlightened principles that will only be used as weapons of manipulation as demonstrated by such posts. Hell, I think that some of you might even be possessed for Pete's sake. I have seen all of the signs. I have heard people say things that were so disrespectful one minute and in the very next become so butt kissing. "Oh Bill, your the this or that." Meanwhile stabbing his back when he wasn't looking. At least I have the balls to address Bill Ryan straight up with my concerns. He may not want to address it and that's fine. But at least I am being respectful towards him despite.

Now as far as the matter at hand is concerned, is that damage has occurred. It matters not to me in what context either. Pick one. My question to all of you is how are we going to help our brothers and sisters heal from it? I don't think that the little pithy, slappy, irresponsible, monkey swinging comments from a few of the instigating, immature members here is going to cut the mustard. Go ahead and tell me I am judging. Whooaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grow up! Because you are not all what you project. Even some of the members here who come off so enlightened with their Chinese English Rheteric trying to do us all freakin favors. Keep your favors as they mirror a corrupted soul who forgot that love is unconditional and to serve in that light takes integrity of the soul. Not from a book. Not from anywhere but right where you are in this moment. I don't live on Aplha Draconis. I live right here. I also don't live with Budda, Jesus, or anyone else. And if any of them want to visit me and inform me of otherwise, I will listen. But until then, there is only one me that looks in my mirror. My guides don't possess me. They wouldn't do that, duh? And if that is what they do for you, then you have allowed it and at the same time don't try to convince me that is a good thing especially when you walk with two faces in two different directions all at once.

Now some members here have tried to be honest about what they have felt and what they have gone through and it is real obvious to me who really carries that compassion in their hearts and who just make quotes about it in the name of Budda or whoever, with the lapping dogs running behind that scene. I despise butt kissers. They can't be trusted, period. Haven't met one I could trust. So instead of just talking the love and light manure, why not try to help do some real healing with what is now plaguing this forum and some of it's members in a real way instead of the superficial BS.

I have nothing to lose at this point as I am just disgusted with all of this and those involved who have twisted the facts all around just to make themselves look good while their brethren are hurting. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? Save me your rebuttal. You would be doing a great service for this forum and all concerned if you had the balls to do that. Sorry Mods. Just telling it like it has been shown.

Have a good day! :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

What pain? who's pain? I don't see anyones pain? I see assumptions. You said in another thread you don't know who or what. So what pain are you talking about? neither was THAT national security. you see? anybody can say anything they want. Anybody...can....at any time....say anything.....that they want. And then post it. Does that make it fact?

Maybe there is pain. I don't know that. And either apparently, do you. Yet you assume it's there. I'm not a fan of acting on assumptions. Or were you lying when you said Richard didn't give you details?

We'll find out, or we won't. But I can guarantee you that there won't be healing unless it becomes clear nobody is lying on this situation. Not going to make believe.

It would seem obvious....that someone might have been caused some pain. Are you so bold as to require proof of that too? Again, is privacy not an issue here? What is up with everyone demanding proof. For crying out loud! I would appear that someone got hurt by this stuff...savvy?

[Céline]

What pain? who's pain? I don't see anyones pain? I see assumptions. You said in another thread you don't know who or what. So what pain are you talking about? neither was THAT national security. you see? anybody can say anything they want. Anybody...can....at any time....say anything.....that they want. And then post it. Does that make it fact?

Maybe there is pain. I don't know that. And neither apparently, do you. Yet you assume it's there. I'm not a fan of acting on assumptions. Or were you lying when you said Richard didn't give you details?

We'll find out, or we won't. But I can guarantee you that there won't be healing unless it becomes clear nobody is lying on this situation. Not going to make believe.


i did NOT lie..if you read my post it says he told me there was a charge of sexual harrassement...

Jesus CHRIST!! dont put words in my mouth..please..

[SteveX]

Brook

I think you missed my point entirely. Just to refresh your memory here’s part of my opening statement. “As for Abrax posting members to sexually harass them... well… if that’s the case he deserves the ban. I think everyone can stand behind that.”

It’s about Abrax being banned / charged with sexual harassment. It’s nothing to do with his thread. I haven’t concurred with the rest of your diatribe about why you think the thread should go or WHY YOU GOT offended. You kept sticking your finger in the bloody fire… gawd sake.

You have said little in the way of support for the aggrieved. All you basically have said or pointed out is that things you classify as sexual perversion, vulgarity, innuendo and cultism offended you. Also, you are astounded that people want the Abrax thread reinstated. There is a reason for that that alludes you. Know that I pointed out your problem (tender persuasion) you have deflected from it with sarcasm and backhanded insult. Should anyone on here reflect the position defended by Brian Oreilly, I’m afraid that’s you. I feel compelled to tell you that your tender Victorian attitudes to things sexually related are bizarre in this day and age. Knowing that you have this “hang up” you felt compelled to keep going back…why for gawd sake? The world has moved on from your archaic principles. You’re entitled to them but don’t even think you can push them back on me. Mills and Boom romance novels are just as graphic as Abrax. I certainly don’t feel offended by it. I certainly don’t need being protected from it. I certainly don’t need to be censored from it. I don’t need your brand of cotton wool, which quite frankly bemuses me. As for cultism I just don’t see it. Maybe I’m not polarised by fear of my own short comings, religion or moth balled principles.

When I wrote “(gawd..hope it's not a case of you guys knowing something I don't :nono: )” This was a tongue in cheek nod to the peanut gallery. Insinuating that they knew I was dealing with a less err grounded person. I see my intuition was correct and I concur with post 309. I’ve meet your type before enjoy your drink in the past the party has moved on.

[Myplanet2]

It would seem obvious....that someone might have been caused some pain. Are you so bold as to require proof of that too? Again, is privacy not an issue here? What is up with everyone demanding proof. For crying out loud! I would appear that someone got hurt by this stuff...savvy?

Operative words "appear", and "might". I don't require anything. I just don't assume, and point out when others are acting on their assumptions.

[Myplanet2]

i did NOT lie..if you read my post it says he told me there was a charge of sexual harrassement...

Jesus CHRIST!! dont put words in my mouth..please..

I've read your post. Have you? And I'm not Jesus Christ.

[mntruthseeker]

OMG you have me in stitches LionHawk

I hear what you mean about the so called enlightened ones on this forum

They probally have me on ignore but I dont care. I speak my mind and let no one blind me with the enlightened BS when they send nasty PMs. I can feel the true light

So hillarious. I am not pointing the finger or contacting mods as thats not my style. I speak my mind and think that it is them that harrass the mods over every little thing. Oh ban this one or that one.

I personally believe that more than one person felt intimidated by Abrax. You could see it in the words traded back and forth

I hardly read anything of his past the first page and then just read other remarks until I decided it was not for me until you put something in the thread. Bad mistake for me to go back in there.

No he never was anything but respectfull to me but that doesnt mean someone was treated otherwise. I was only frightened when he said he asked for help for me and I actually got scared remembering what had happened the prior night. Thats all Im saying. I just moved on

I look at some of his strongest supporters and they are names I do not recognized and so I look at the time they joined. Dec 09 ......funny how that works.

The Mods are not going to pull down his site if they didnt get some sort of evidence of what happened. Doesnt take a rocket science to see it was on its way

Anyhow Thanks for the laugh

[BROOK]

Operative words "appear", and "might". I don't require anything. I just don't assume, and point out when others are acting on their assumptions.

I'm sorry...that's weak...you cannot come up with a more decisive answer than that? What is it you are defending here anyway? Please spare me.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Thanks for the information! Maybe some can see what it is that might be going on. I leave it up to the mods to determine, as the right to privacy is an issue here...and what you have said in this post might very well fit.

How are we to know that is not the case. And since when is it our right to get involved in the privacy of others?

I can only make my view known. If those of you who don't agree, choose to follow Abraxis...you also have that right...Last I heard the internet is avaliable to go to his domaine. And all of the same post and copy information is there for the taking. :thumb_yello:

Pray or Prey...

they target the lonely...

and Celine the twinkles on your cheek are turning into tears...

enough is enough...

[Myplanet2]

And even if you saw the bombs,
Have a good day! :thumb_yello:

And lots more blah blah blah I'm a hero blah blah how's my ego look on me and what do you think is my best feature flutter flutter. Only one question armchair warrior. How come your avatar has two faces?

[Myplanet2]

I'm sorry...that's weak...you cannot come up with a more decisive answer than that? What is it you are defending here anyway? Please spare me.

That's weak? Sorry, but I can't do your getting it for you. Would you want people acting aggressively on their assumptions about you? Might, and appear, are not grounds for action.

[BROOK]

That's weak? Sorry, but I can't do your getting it for you. Would you want people acting aggressively on their assumptions about you? Might, and appear, are not grounds for action.

I don't think I leave room for assumption. Most pretty much know where I stand. And although it has gotten me in trouble from time to time...I leave no room for error when it comes to my views.

[BROOK]

Two faces come from one who talks of compassion, and belittles the one in need of.....someone else needs to look in the mirror.

[Lionhawk]

Whooooaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beren]

I am amazed of capabilities of human mind to create things and entities and give them energy and life.
Equally I am amazed to see to what extent a human mind is twisted.

We constantly avoid truth but in the same time loudly say that we "seek" the truth. When truth finally hits us,we scream at it!

That is not going to work.

The man with nick Abraxas is just a regular guy, on the first look.
When and if you read his posts clearly, you see that he states that he has been possessed. Certain entity is talking through him.
Case is even worse since he trusts that entity and believe it.

Clearly he `s been polite and kinda nice . But sometimes he would burn in fire but then suddenly calmed down himself.
What does that tell you?

He burned when asked certain questions.
Mind you ,those questions were not provocations or making fool of him, just straight forward questions.

Anyway force behind him was a messenger or a trooper for darkness and all that it represents cleverly hiding in the cloak of wisdom ,love and light.

That is why it `s been said that you can recognize who`s behind the mask by their fruits, their spirit.
I didn`t like his spirit and asked few questions and defended my position,
he threatened me for that and actually attacked.
All in the form of "love".

But the attack was not in the form of love.

A day or two after the attack I found that he replied to Bigmo`s invitation.
Bigmo asked that Abraxas can be there for him in spirit sort of way and to help him.
Abraxas replied with joy with a closing statement :"are you aware of what that means?"

If you invite evil spirit, then do not whine afterward.
It will not kill you but you`ll living terror daily. It will feed on your energy.
Those entities are in essence behaving like leeches.

But the worst thing is to actually invite them freely. Then they have all rights over your body.

Do you wish that?

People get a grip already. Love and light are belonging to truth, you got to align yourself with truth before gaining from it.
We as a human race are fighting terrible enemies,never forget that. Your very eternal life and soul may depend on that knowledge.

[fr66ajc]

I wonder what a reptilian argument is like?

Certainly more balanced.... because of the scales... gettit.. huh... :naughty:

I don't get the attacks on people who are obviously hurting here... I don't know Celine from Adam but c'mon folks, cut them some slack. It's obvious no-one knows all of what has gone on.

The people assaulted have a right to anonymity if they so wish.

If the mods come forward with a full explanation then fine. We don't need details because that would be voyeuristic but some indication of the extent of the offence may be used to justify the actions taken. Naming the offended will only open them up for further attack 'because the thread got taken down'. Now don't tell me that isn't possible... going by some of the reactions around here.

I know some people don't like the term but 'victims' have a right to anonymity if they feel the need. Just because one person may be strong enough doesn't mean another is, and that, in a forgiving and loving society, should be of paramount importance.

There are people hurting... Let them heal in their own time and their own way.

I'm sure the mods will respond when they are good and ready.

93 93/93
Love is the Law, Love under Will

[Steven]

...We as a human race are fighting terrible enemies,never forget that. Your very eternal life and soul may depend on that knowledge.

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our familly was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material. If you want details, I can send them in private mail. Fortunatly, we have many guardians where I live, my familly is blessed and the attacked simply bounced on us. I don't know what happened to the 'sourcer', but it certainly does not look good, the Universal Laws are always at work.

I blessed him and asked for a miracle, nothing less :naughty:.

Namaste, Steven

[Rocky_Shorz]

If you invite evil spirit, then do not whine afterward.
It will not kill you but you`ll living terror daily. It will feed on your energy.
Those entities are in essence behaving like leeches.

But the worst thing is to actually invite them freely. Then they have all rights over your body.

Do you wish that?

People get a grip already. Love and light are belonging to truth, you got to align yourself with truth before gaining from it.
We as a human race are fighting terrible enemies,never forget that. Your very eternal life and soul may depend on that knowledge.

and actually, they can kill you...

I watched a child dying in a hospital get a "clearing" in her final days and within hours her temperature had dropped and illness had passed.

So many are reckless in a way they don't understand dabbling in arts that will cost them for eternity.

Thank you for sharing with all your wisdom, I could not go further than the first post because it was making me ill.

He wasn't asking for help in removing it, he was being used to draw others in...

I agree with Bill, this is not the light Project Avalon was created to bring us towards...

[mntruthseeker]

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our familly was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material. If you want details, I can send them in private mail. Fortunatly, we have many guardians where I live, my familly is blessed and the attacked simply bounced on us. I don't know what happened to the 'sourcer', but it certainly does not look good, the Universal Laws are always at work.

I blessed him and asked for a miracle, nothing less :naughty:.

Namaste, Steven



I put it down more than once................I too was attacked. I thank God that my personal friend was able to help me through all of this.

I hated what happen and the next day he admitted he asked for help for me.

I can't prove it but the feeling that rushed over me after I thought of what he said was awfully bad.

Who knows for sure, I only knew it put an end to any questions I had

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our family was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material.

This may sound strange, but I was told to pass along to you to put a small bundle of Bamboo by each of your doors leading into the home...

If you have access to Holy water cross the doors as you say "in the name of the father, son and holy spirit, protect us with your light."

[Myplanet2]

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our familly was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material. If you want details, I can send them in private mail. Fortunatly, we have many guardians where I live, my familly is blessed and the attacked simply bounced on us. I don't know what happened to the 'sourcer', but it certainly does not look good, the Universal Laws are always at work.

I blessed him and asked for a miracle, nothing less :naughty:.

Namaste, Steven

That's something else that it would help to share if you're inclined. More than one now has mentioned coming under some sort of psychic attack, and related it to the Abrax/Thuban presence. If anyone was attacked, then we should know about it.

discernment is much more difficult when the information is not in view.

[viking]

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our familly was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material. If you want details, I can send them in private mail. Fortunatly, we have many guardians where I live, my familly is blessed and the attacked simply bounced on us. I don't know what happened to the 'sourcer', but it certainly does not look good, the Universal Laws are always at work.

I blessed him and asked for a miracle, nothing less :naughty:.

Namaste, Steven

Hey Steven ... this is weird...

I too was plagued by evil energies a while back which is why I posted this http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18780 ... it is difficult to pinpoint where these energies are coming from... but hey there could be a connection!!

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18780

viking

[Lionhawk]

What do you think people have been trying to tell you and everyone else? Now you want to make it sound like no one has said anything and your abilities as to discerning this will be much more spiritually enhanced if someone told you? Whooaaaaa! from my armchair. :thumbdown:

[bigmo]

I look at some of his strongest supporters and they are names I do not recognized and so I look at the time they joined. Dec 09 ......funny how that works.



What was your conclusion trutheeker? I suppose that this is your logic:

1 Person joins in December
2 Abraxas joins in December
3 All persons joining in December must be 'Dragons' like Abraxas

Now that is some empirical reasoning here truthseeker... thanks for your incite.

Oh by the way the 'Abraxas supporters' were really 'free speech supporters' go back and read the post supporting Abraxas... ooops... that's right ... they are... BANNED...

Hmmm... how handy for you.

[Rocky_Shorz]

hmmm just did a search on Bamboo and this came up in the first choice...

The other positive aspect of bamboo is its ability to ward off evil spirits/ghost and harmful people who wants to sabotage you. It provide strong protection for you against any form of harm...

[mntruthseeker]

What was your conclusion trutheeker? I suppose that this is your logic:

1 Person joins in December
2 Abraxas joins in December
3 All December joiners must be 'Dragons' like Abraxas

Now that is some empirical reasoning here truthseeker... thanks for your incite.

Oh by the way the 'Abraxas supporters' were really 'free speech supporters' go back and read the post supporting Abraxas... ooops... that's right ... they are... BANNED...

Hmmm... how handy for you.


I do support free speech. I said I left the tread. I only went in to see what someone had written when I recognised his name

I LEFT HIS THREAD. I wanted no part but certainly didnt feel others could not go in there. Why would I ?

Yes it was an observation and also the fact that I read that there was a yahoo group with him that was here. That is what I based that on and all these dec 09 dates were his strongest supporters.
Exchanger has made such remarks but I just noticed she says she didnt invite him on another thread she put up about Ashayana Deane.



I have never been attacked before I spoke up against Abrax, seriously and I can't say it was his doing. But the next morning he said he asked for help for me and I got the chills. Even more so now that I read others were attacked. I was attacked and my friend confirmed it after we discussed it. I never wrote what happen in this forum.....only that something did happen

I asked for help from a personal friend and prayed hard and went through a few weeks where I felt my head was swimming.

I listened to all of the supporters and felt maybe it was because I just wasnt in the know to follow his words.

I tired to make sense of all of this on my own and I really do not care anymore.

You can go anywhere you like because thats your perogative.

I will not say he sexually attacked someone in the forum because I dont know what happen. In the same token, I will not say someone is making it up.

I dont find it convient that the thread being down would contradict anything I write. Everyone knows I speak my mind.

So make what ever assumptions of that you want



Had to edit this to add something.

The very first posting that Abrax wrote, I did pm someone to say how I felt and was told he was a personal friend of Susans and to drop it

So my speculation were confirmed back in Dec

[BROOK]

hmmm just did a search on Bamboo and this came up in the first choice...

Sounds like good advise :thumb_yello:

BIgmo.....here is his website if you miss him...

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id105.html

follow to your hearts content. And let those here heal now. :thumb_yello:

[rosie]

Ok, I will share, for discernment purposes.

I myself had a psychic attack after reading the thuban messages. Thought I was being silly, did my reconfirmation of choosing love over fear, light over dark, then it went away. connection? I asked, and the answer was yes.

The psychic attack happened while house cleaning, I had to stop and steady myself and to reasure myself that all is good. Felt uneasy for the rest of the day.

love & light

[K626]

Seriously guys Abx has left the building..Now go home. :lol3:

[rosie]

K626, just clearing up the cobwebs :original:

[beren]

As Steven said, i opened the door.
I did it in purpose because I won`t play by evil tones of self shame or fear.
Evil spirit or spirits were in for a hunt .
I don`t know what damage they did. But evil is about to be exposed for "every thing that is hidden or in the dark will be exposed in the light".

One of the best tricks they use is to attack and hurt you and then make you feel terrible and bad, unworthy.
They want you to hide ,to diminish and in some way acknowledge their win.

No freakin way!

Hour grows late...
Racket around us and blinding hate...

Smoke of doom lies across ,
and open eyes filled with lust
tantrums and violence !

I choose to deaf my ears for this noise!
I will not give it life ,
not even a choice!

For long now passed
since my peace was stumbled.
Now I fight back!

As they stalked me with hate ,
in gloomy hours of nights,
I will pierce them with love ,
for they can not bear that!

I will be as mad man can be ,
I will not rest until I hunt them down ,
hunt them down like ravaging wolves,
in their caves filled with lust,

Ever behind their steps ...
I will be the haunter yes!
I will shine with love ,
more -as they care less!

They will growl and moan with pain ,
But this is my hour and my gain!

They shoot with darkness and I with love,
we`ll see whom they threatened with fires below!

I stand alone but alone I am not!
my heavenly Father loves me
and gives hope.


Ere the just tomorrow rise
to forever banish darkness,

Light ,love and truth will guide you
above evil,every madness...

[mntruthseeker]

Ok, I will share, for discernment purposes.

I myself had a psychic attack after reading the thuban messages. Thought I was being silly, did my reconfirmation of choosing love over fear, light over dark, then it went away. connection? I asked, and the answer was yes.

The psychic attack happened while house cleaning, I had to stop and steady myself and to reasure myself that all is good. Felt uneasy for the rest of the day.

love & light



Thank you Rosie, it was the first I have ever had and I felt silly too.

Mine happened why I was asleep. Nothing I want to go through again and have since kept myself very protected

[Stargazer1965]

And lots more blah blah blah I'm a hero blah blah how's my ego look on me and what do you think is my best feature flutter flutter. Only one question armchair warrior. How come your avatar has two faces?
When you speak to men with honor....

use honorable words please....

Thanks

SG

[BROOK]

Seriously guys Abx has left the building..Now go home. :lol3:

Well, maybe....just maybe, we can turn this into a thread of "healing" instead of a thread of attack.....what do you thing guys? Are you up for a healing?

It would seem that "might" be the case.....or at least that is how it "appears" sorry if some here find this as "assumption".... :thumb_yello:

:wub2:

[ewhite]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on


Much love,

-E

[K626]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on


Much love,

-E

We are entering a time where two distinct sides will form..This place is no different. :original:

[5thElement]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on

Perfect ewhite - perfect timing and perfect words:wub2:

Unite all - we're all in this together!

El

[Rocky_Shorz]

Abraxas Reader
Unless otherwise noted, the author of each essay retains its copyright.
Otherwise, copyright 1980/81 by The Congregation of Abraxas

http://www.cres.org/team/wrSym4colrTxt50_.GIF

I guess the Abraxas that joined our forum feels the demonic faiths should be included

[Linda]

Ok, I will share, for discernment purposes.

I myself had a psychic attack after reading the thuban messages. Thought I was being silly, did my reconfirmation of choosing love over fear, light over dark, then it went away. connection? I asked, and the answer was yes.

The psychic attack happened while house cleaning, I had to stop and steady myself and to reasure myself that all is good. Felt uneasy for the rest of the day.

love & light

Thank you for coming forward about these attacks.

I knew there was a reason I never looked at his threads.

We don't need anybody to "teach" us anything.
Especially those who promote things that will open up the door for negative hosts to enter.
Be AWARE, on high alert and Protect yourself.
Peace.

[mntruthseeker]

Well, maybe....just maybe, we can turn this into a thread of "healing" instead of a thread of attack.....what do you thing guys? Are you up for a healing?

It would seem that "might" be the case.....or at least that is how it "appears" sorry if some here find this as "assumption".... :thumb_yello:

:wub2:


Sounds good to me Brook.

Im so glad Beren wrote what he did as I really felt silly with the thoughts I had. I wasnt silent about them as Ortho had a thread I first noted the feelings.

I know that when I came here yesterday the forum felt different.....calmer and I like the change.


I thought it could be just what was in the atmosphere. Waves of some kind until I read what Beren wrote. All I know is I feel good and peacefull once again. LOL

Loving it !

[BROOK]

Sounds good to me Brook.

Im so glad Beren wrote what he did as I really felt silly with the thoughts I had. I wasnt silent about them as Ortho had a thread I first noted the feelings.

I know that when I came here yesterday the forum felt different.....calmer and I like the change.


I thought it could be just what was in the atmosphere. Waves of some kind until I read what Beren wrote. All I know is I feel good and peacefull once again. LOL

Loving it !


Truly, Peace is all I seek, and I too love what Beren wrote....but I will voice what I feel when I feel it, and a healing is in order as I see it.

so let the healing begin :wub2:

[orthodoxymoron]

What if abraxasinas is attempting to defect from darkness to light? What if abraxasinas is perfectly possessed by a 'Hathorian' entity which mirrored the avatar? What if this 'Hathorian' entity is trying to become reformed? What if other entities who objected to this are the ones responsible for the attacks? I see abraxasinas as sort of a Leo Zagami type of person...trying to do the right thing...but in deep, deep, deep spiritual do-do. Just my usual speculation. I avoided the abraxasinas thread because I didn't feel prepared spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally. I have felt as though I were under attack...going back to my childhood...just one big attack! Are we in the middle of sort of a Spiritual Armageddon? I think so. Don't get mad at me for saying these things. I don't really know. I'm just trying to continue to work with an ongoing hypothesis of what's going on. Avalon is sort of a strange laboratory! Pursuing ethical and psychological development should supercede spiritual or supernatural pursuits. Don't dabble people! This stuff is dangerous! Stay detached and academic. I try to be provocative and sarcastic to break the spell...so to speak. I'm mad...but I do have a method. Speaking of mad...when will 'Thuban Thoughts' be restored to it's rightful place on the forum?

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Lionhawk]

This is a test for sure and you can see what is being tested. If the foundation sucks and is reinforced with just mud to cover up the cracks, when a real storm hits, those cracks will be exposed for what they are. All the superficial mud is falling off and the true essence of what is here is being exposed. If you want it to get back to the way it was, we will have to do this all over again down the road. I hate doing things twice. I said in the Thuban Thoughts thread that many lessons are coming our way from this Thuban scenario. Here they are. Just don't forget where you have been in all of this.

I think the peanut gallery has left the building. There is still a clean up that needs to be mopped up and the wounded need some serious attention. While many will just go home, many of us will work through the night to work on the wounded as it is often never done in one dressing.

Blessings to All





It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on


Much love,

-E

[Stardustaquarion]

I like where things are going now :wub2::wub2::wub2:

[mntruthseeker]

Truly, Peace is all I seek, and I too love what Beren wrote....but I will voice what I feel when I feel it, and a healing is in order as I see it.

so let the healing begin :wub2:


:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:


Better to say it straight out then hide behind PMs is how I truly feel about that.

[lightblue]

Hello Beren. Usually, I do not like to share that kind of information, but since you are opening the door. Our familly was attacked by some evil spirit soon after I had a little opposition with the thuban material. If you want details, I can send them in private mail. Fortunatly, we have many guardians where I live, my familly is blessed and the attacked simply bounced on us. I don't know what happened to the 'sourcer', but it certainly does not look good, the Universal Laws are always at work.

I blessed him and asked for a miracle, nothing less .

Namaste, Steven

hi steven
glad to hear you know you are protected.
best wishes l :original:

[mntruthseeker]

. I try to be provocative and sarcastic to break the spell...so to speak. I'm mad...but I do have a method.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

A lot of "what ifs" but thats how you feel and its fine and I hope you get your answers.

[THE eXchanger]

people on this site,
have been attacked since it started ???

moderators, who apparently got boils, etc.,
and, this was a long time, b4, abraxas showed up

and, many people on this site,
have told, many of the people,
what to do about it, too !!!

few listen, very, very sad

[Myplanet2]

When you speak to men with honor....

use honorable words please....

Thanks

SG

I do.

[Myplanet2]

This is a test for sure and you can see what is being tested. If the foundation sucks and is reinforced with just mud to cover up the cracks, when a real storm hits, those cracks will be exposed for what they are. All the superficial mud is falling off and the true essence of what is here is being exposed. If you want it to get back to the way it was, we will have to do this all over again down the road. I hate doing things twice. I said in the Thuban Thoughts thread that many lessons are coming our way from this Thuban scenario. Here they are. Just don't forget where you have been in all of this.

I think the peanut gallery has left the building. There is still a clean up that needs to be mopped up and the wounded need some serious attention. While many will just go home, many of us will work through the night to work on the wounded as it is often never done in one dressing.

Blessings to All

Oh, the faux nobility. The real heros leave their egos at the door. stick a log in the old...pipe

[Myplanet2]

What do you think people have been trying to tell you and everyone else? Now you want to make it sound like no one has said anything and your abilities as to discerning this will be much more spiritually enhanced if someone told you? Whooaaaaa! from my armchair. :thumbdown:

I'm not talking about the make believe demons you swat at. I'm talking about real attacks. Accounts from people who weren't already front loaded and primed by their inability to tell reality from fantasy. Of course anyone who thinks demons and dragons hide around every corner are going to find them there.

[lightblue]

regarding the psychic attacks reported:

i have sensed the same, so i know the reports are not baseless - when it comes to this i do trust my receivers i do. well trained by now...

the exchanger is totally off with her PM conspiracy supposition:thumbdown: ..totally off.

best wishes l :







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[mudra]

I see some roses growing over the battle field .
If your enemy made your Heart stronger and made you humble
than forgive and bless him for he will have brought out of you your very best .

Peace to all
mudra

[beren]

I'm not talking about the make believe demons you swat at. I'm talking about real attacks. Accounts from people who weren't already front loaded and primed by their inability to tell reality from fantasy. Of course anyone who thinks demons and dragons hide around every corner are going to find them there.


MP2

There is no absolute need at any moment in time that anyone persuade you in anything.
But I am afraid that you can't see the forest for the trees.

[BROOK]

Oh, the faux nobility. The real heros leave their egos at the door. stick a log in the old...pipe

Healing is what we seek now. To repair the damage.

Bruised egos are not a high priority on that list.

[lightblue]

myplanet2 wrote


I'm not talking about the make believe demons you swat at. I'm talking about real attacks. Accounts from people who weren't already front loaded and primed by their inability to tell reality from fantasy. Of course anyone who thinks demons and dragons hide around every corner are going to find them there.

you too myplanet2 are totally off, but then again i understand - you may have not had that experience, i wish you never do..if you had one, you would well know what a psychic attack feels like.

i am not a fantacist.

best wishes l:wink2:

p..s. you are tireless and that's impressive.



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[islandman]

In a controversy the instant we feel anger
we have already ceased striving for the truth,
and have begun striving for ourselves.
Buddha

In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west;
people create distinctions out of their own minds
and then believe them to be true.
Buddha

Those who are free of resentful thoughts
surely find peace.
Buddha

[Myplanet2]

MP2

There is no absolute need at any moment in time that anyone persuade you in anything.
But I am afraid that you can't see the forest for the trees.

well no need to be afraid, Beren. I see just fine. demons just don't come around me anymore. My love seems to feel like holy water to them or something. You should have seen this mantis a while back. Ran away making whistling kettle sounds.

I'm talking discerning the real from the fantasy. Not "Ooh, I felt bad so it must have been the devil." What I don't get is why people insist on recreating these old tired games anymore. Just delaying the inevitable. I've already seen a couple of people state they felt attacked and related it to the Abrax connection. this is something we should know about. Anyone else?

[Myplanet2]

myplanet2 wrote




you too myplanet2 are totally off, but then again i understand - you may have not have that experience, i wish you never do..if you had one, you would well know what a psychic attack feels like.

i am not a fantacist.

best wishes l:wink2:

p..s. you are tireless and that's impressive.



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Don't assume, Lightblue. I've had many contacts. some real. some self generated. And that blue font is still really hard to see in minty. consider picking another colour?

[K626]

And in the mornings the Lord Shiva would only play with colours. :original:

[Myplanet2]

Healing is what we seek now. To repair the damage.

Bruised egos are not a high priority on that list.

Neither are peoples rights to determine their own priorities, apparently.

[lightblue]

Don't assume, Lightblue. I've had many contacts. some real. some self generated. And that blue font is still really hard to see in minty. consider picking another colour?


Dear myplanet2
I chose my colours and that won't change. :original:

you may want to change yours, it'll be up to you.

best wishes in your endevours l




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[Stargazer1965]

Don't assume, Lightblue. I've had many contacts. some real. some self generated. And that blue font is still really hard to see in minty. consider picking another colour?

That's your reality MP2.....I don't doubt your description of your reality...Why do you doubt others??

Thanks

[Anchor]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

ewhite,

Your post is excellent.

By the way the forum is STILL a beacon of love and light, and by our collective intent we should keep it that way.

AJ..

[Myplanet2]

That's your reality MP2.....I don't doubt your description of your reality...Why do you doubt others??

Thanks

What makes you think I doubt others?

[THE eXchanger]

ewhite,

Your post is excellent.

By the way the forum is STILL a beacon of love and light, and by our collective intent we should keep it that way.

AJ..

we agree ~ it is important that all of us, help one another - that is the biggest purpose of all

[beren]

well no need to be afraid, Beren. I see just fine. demons just don't come around me anymore. My love seems to feel like holy water to them or something. You should have seen this mantis a while back. Ran away making whistling kettle sounds.

I'm talking discerning the real from the fantasy. Not "Ooh, I felt bad so it must have been the devil." What I don't get is why people insist on recreating these old tired games anymore. Just delaying the inevitable. I've already seen a couple of people state they felt attacked and related it to the Abrax connection. this is something we should know about. Anyone else?


Listen, I understand your point of view but you can not put away demons by thinking that your love must have ousted them.
It does not work that way.

Yes Love is the main weapon against them and no holy water helps. Neither garlic,crosses,icons,pastor prayers or anything that we might imagine.
Only living Creator can help.Only with his spirit they can be ousted.

No mumbo jumbo I love you type of stuff helps.

You can say to them that you are in love and light and that your frequency is higher and that you beat them with your love...
They will laugh in your face and then slam you hard.

In order to beat the enemy you have to know the real weapon against them.
That is why I said that you got to align yourself with truth, you got to humble yourself down before Creator . Then you will be protected. No way around.

If you feel that they don`t attack you well fine. That is good. But stop occasionally and think that maybe they know your reasoning and your thinking that you know better. Then you`re already deceived. Then they leave you alone.

Listen ,I am not accusing.
But think again since this struggle we`re all in has many dimensions .For some physical and for some dimensional. But do not be "wise guy" to think that just because you can `t see them ,they do not exist.
Can you see force of gravity?
No.
But if you jump from 20 stories building you will painfully find out that it actually exist. Then it may be too late since ground will not forgive your ignorance.

Think again, re evaluate, test every spirit.

And quit mocking other people here. It is not decent .

[THE eXchanger]

beren- your way, isn't the only way

if their way works for them,
so, be it, it might just work for another

just as, your way, may work for you,
so, be it, it might just work for another

there are 101 routes that can be taken up any mountain,
and/or heading down into the valley

isn't it time,
everyone respected everyone
for their contributions, and, for their efforts,
to make PA/PC the fabulous place,
that iT is ???

the sum total here,
HOLDS the potential to turn into
a grand 'SEE' of MAGNIFICENCE

[Myplanet2]

Listen, I understand your point of view but you can not put away demons by thinking that your love must have ousted them.
It does not work that way.

Yes Love is the main weapon against them and no holy water helps. Neither garlic,crosses,icons,pastor prayers or anything that we might imagine.
Only living Creator can help.Only with his spirit they can be ousted.

No mumbo jumbo I love you type of stuff helps.

You can say to them that you are in love and light and that your frequency is higher and that you beat them with your love...
They will laugh in your face and then slam you hard.

In order to beat the enemy you have to know the real weapon against them.
That is why I said that you got to align yourself with truth, you got to humble yourself down before Creator . Then you will be protected. No way around.

If you feel that they don`t attack you well fine. That is good. But stop occasionally and think that maybe they know your reasoning and your thinking that you know better. Then you`re already deceived. Then they leave you alone.

Listen ,I am not accusing.
But think again since this struggle we`re all in has many dimensions .For some physical and for some dimensional. But do not be "wise guy" to think that just because you can `t see them ,they do not exist.
Can you see force of gravity?
No.
But if you jump from 20 stories building you will painfully find out that it actually exist. Then it may be too late since ground will not forgive your ignorance.

Think again, re evaluate, test every spirit.

And quit mocking other people here. It is not decent .

Well you didn't understand, my comments, Beren. I'm not saying I thought I loved them away. I'm telling you what happened. I was attacked by this creature, and I remembered the advice of one of my guides, to use frequency matching. It attacks with low frequency, and I answer with high frequency, It could not match, it so fled. I wasn't thinking happy thoughts. I loved this creature, and it was scared spitless by the encounter.

And It didn't come looking for me. I was exploring and stumbled into it's domain.

You take your stories too literally. They make so little of us, and so much of other forces. There is no God which requires us to humble ourselves in order to obtain protection. A fairy tale. At least in my universe. It may be different in yours. And you are welcome to live in that universe all you like. And make believe warriors can live in their dungeons and dragons world all they like. And nobody is bothered by this, as long as you don't come and say this world of battles in heaven and evil demons is real for me, and as long as armchair dragon slayer doesn't say we are all in some battle for our souls. Because although these differing realities may be able to intersect, they are not ubiquitous.They are simply separate but temporarily overlapped. And people can choose which one they occupy and play in. That is the entirely of my message. People have choice over which reality they play in. People like you and Lionhawk want to tell people their reality is THE reality, and thats just a steaming pile.

I talk to God, and God talks back to me. In fact God started it, not me. And God is not like your posts describe. At least not in my universe. My God agrees with me. That I have complete choice, always and in all things. You should visit my God. You'd like Her/him.

[bigmo]

First time I've heard you speak up so much eXchanger... (without numbers) keep it up it's sounding good.

Peace

[beren]

beren- your way, isn't the only way

if their way works for them,
so, be it, it might just work for another

just as, your way, may work for you,
so, be it, it might just work for another

there are 101 routes that can be taken up any mountain,
and/or heading down into the valley

isn't it time,
everyone respected everyone
for their contributions, and, for their efforts,
to make PA/PC the fabulous place,
that iT is ???

the sum total here,
HOLDS the potential to turn into
a grand 'SEE' of MAGNIFICENCE


When did I said it was my way?

Where do you find in my posts that I propagate my ways at all?
Thing is that people were attacked quite literary.
Now some here wish to diminish that attack by stating that actually all that was in our minds and lalallallaaa...

I will repeat again from post below...

NO FREAKIN WAY!

I know what struck me and it seems many stated similar things too.


Exchanger you can do whatever you like and believe whatever you like. You can write in codes as you do write. You can play with numerology and hisss in abraxas`s thread as you did it.
You can call that enlightenment .

I will not.

And please why do you write "we" when sometimes you write here?
And sometimes " I ".

Do not pose for somebody else. Do not sound as you are smarter than others as I feel that from your posts. I appreciate you as human being but what do you try to do here?

What is your aim?

Who speak in codes?

Is it 3 or 33 ?

Who speaks like that?
And then you jump and say "Avalon is a loving place ,sharing love and beauty..."
I don`t see that in your way of expressing.
Again I respect you as a human being.
But I would like to feel and see more of your respect of everybody else.

If you wish to claim truth ,love, wisdom and light, justice and compassion ,then you have to surrender yourself to them.
NO hisssing , and Dragon boot licking or coding ,or false knowledge can or will help you in your path.

And one final question for you;

On what side you are on?

Dragon or human?

Speak quickly and spare me of "Love and light singing fairies".

In respect ,

Beren

[beren]

Well you didn't understand, my comments, Beren. I'm not saying I thought I loved them away. I'm telling you what happened. I was attacked by this creature, and I remembered the advice of one of my guides, to use frequency matching. It attacks with low frequency, and I answer with high frequency, It could not match, it so fled. I wasn't thinking happy thoughts. I loved this creature, and it was scared spitless by the encounter.

And It didn't come looking for me. I was exploring and stumbled into it's domain.

You take your stories too literally. They make so little of us, and so much of other forces. There is no God which requires us to humble ourselves in order to obtain protection. A fairy tale. At least in my universe. It may be different in yours. And you are welcome to live in that universe all you like. And make believe warriors can live in their dungeons and dragons world all they like. And nobody is bothered by this, as long as you don't come and say this world of battles in heaven and evil demons is real for me, and as long as armchair dragon slayer doesn't say we are all in some battle for our souls. Because although these differing realities may be able to intersect, they are not ubiquitous.They are simply separate but temporarily overlapped. And people can choose which one they occupy and play in. That is the entirely of my message. People have choice over which reality they play in. People like you and Lionhawk want to tell people their reality is THE reality, and thats just a steaming pile.

I talk to God, and God talks back to me. In fact God started it, not me. And God is not like your posts describe. At least not in my universe. My God agrees with me. That I have complete choice, always and in all things. You should visit my God. You'd like Her/him.


I understood you well.
Trust me I don`t take things literary.

And for the end of this conversation you just marvelously said it at the end of your reply. Your God agrees with you. Beautiful. You are your self`s god.
You chose to live in your bubble and I respect your choice.

You have exercised your free will, now you live with it.

Good luck with that.

With respect,

Beren

[bigmo]

Talk about attacking Beren... I've never read a post by you that wasn't attacking or pointing fingers at the heathen who are doomed to hells eternal fires.

Peace to YOU

Bigmo

[carriblu]

from experience, i've found that most of these attackers (all of mine) have been lost, confused, and very fearful. when they're confronted and litterally reasoned with and shown the truth of what they are, instead of being damned to hell and released as deamons, they often change their ways and can be turned into possitive energy instead of negative. there is a little light inside all these lost soles and when you show it to them, they realise what they are doing is wrong and they leave kindly. in this way, i do send them love and it does seem to work, most are actually eager to leave after a little while.

[BROOK]

Well you didn't understand, my comments, Beren. I'm not saying I thought I loved them away. I'm telling you what happened. I was attacked by this creature, and I remembered the advice of one of my guides, to use frequency matching. It attacks with low frequency, and I answer with high frequency, It could not match, it so fled. I wasn't thinking happy thoughts. I loved this creature, and it was scared spitless by the encounter.

And It didn't come looking for me. I was exploring and stumbled into it's domain.

You take your stories too literally. They make so little of us, and so much of other forces. There is no God which requires us to humble ourselves in order to obtain protection. A fairy tale. At least in my universe. It may be different in yours. And you are welcome to live in that universe all you like. And make believe warriors can live in their dungeons and dragons world all they like. And nobody is bothered by this, as long as you don't come and say this world of battles in heaven and evil demons is real for me, and as long as armchair dragon slayer doesn't say we are all in some battle for our souls. Because although these differing realities may be able to intersect, they are not ubiquitous.They are simply separate but temporarily overlapped. And people can choose which one they occupy and play in. That is the entirely of my message. People have choice over which reality they play in. People like you and Lionhawk want to tell people their reality is THE reality, and thats just a steaming pile.

I talk to God, and God talks back to me. In fact God started it, not me. And God is not like your posts describe. At least not in my universe. My God agrees with me. That I have complete choice, always and in all things. You should visit my God. You'd like Her/him.

Then you might want to have a talk with your God and ask him to help you discern what is going on with the ones that have been hurt here, and why you refuse to see it as an attack that was perpitrated, and not provoked. And certainly not self created.

Just because you and your God cannot see the reality of what we do, does not make it any less real. Draconian goes back to the ancient times, and agends are ripe with their signature. Just because you cannot see it does not mean it is not real. Too many here have been subject to it. Yet you are here to tell us we are all delusional? And armchair warriors? Do you even have a clue what that means? I gather not..as you mock it.....Now aren't we luck to have you here to straighten us all out.

Funny you support a thread that claims possession of the humans by such Dragons...but you dispute the ones that fight them....hmmmm

:nono:

[Myplanet2]

I understood you well.
Trust me I don`t take things literary.

And for the end of this conversation you just marvelously said it at the end of your reply. Your God agrees with you. Beautiful. You are your self`s god.
You chose to live in your bubble and I respect your choice.

You have exercised your free will, now you live with it.

Good luck with that.

With respect,

Beren

Maybe not, but you do take them literally, from what I can see. That's nonsequitur logic. How does God agreeing with me, become I am my self's God? If your God disagrees with you, you really might want to think about switching to a different one. See, free will never stops, You can change your mind and not bother with some Draconian God who lords it over his flock of sheep. I'm delighted by my choices.

[ellie]

Well, I pray to God everyday. I have a close relationship with my angels and say prayers for other people every day. I suppose everyone is different. I never got attacked, but then as I said I have a close relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ and my angels.

I am just wondering if Abrax/Tony went into so much grief after his daughter committed suicide (his daughter was the same age as my youngest son) that in that grief he tried to track her down by any means on the other side. In one of his posts he talked about going to hell, or was that a dream he had, trying to find his daughter.

Maybe he picked up something nasty when all this happened. Just a thought.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Talk about attacking Beren... I've never read a post by you that wasn't attacking or pointing fingers at the heathen who are doomed to hells eternal fires.

Peace to YOU

Bigmo

well Bigmo, I understand where he is coming from better than most.

I can tell you this, if I went in to cleanse Abraxa/demon...

he is the one I would want standing beside me for protection, because he understands exactly what I would be dealing with.

there is tons of money following this forum so put the money up and bring us together in a central location.

Give us the recording equipment and I guarantee you would be able to hear the possessor of this man as we rip it out of him.

It is not audible to normal human perceptions but recording equipment will pick it up.

you all want to get freaked out...

what you will all hear is something that makes the scariest movies ever made seem like a nursery rhyme...

[ellie]

If that is the case then he does need help. As I said probably got caught by something when he tried to meet with his daughter on the other side through extreme grief.

[lightblue]

logos is non-nonsequitur.

the light is busy shining

caligas in sole!




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[ellie]

logos is non-nonsequitur.

the light is busy shining

caligas in sole!




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Can you explain above for me cute cub.

[THE eXchanger]

On what side you are on?

Dragon or human?
Speak quickly and spare me of "Love and light singing fairies".
In respect ,
Beren

dear beren,
is your form of questioning; polite/or, even respectful ?
never-the-less, we will answer your questions
we are NOT on any side, and, we are NOT a dragon,
& what on earth, does light and singing fairies,
have to do, with the price of eggs ???

[Rocky_Shorz]

If that is the case then he does need help. As I said probably got caught by something when he tried to meet with his daughter on the other side through extreme grief.

You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped, he has given his soul freely.

I would want to hear him say he believes...

If those words can't cross his lips he can't be saved, or I guess I should say he doesn't "want" to be saved from the evil he has given himself over to.

[UncleJohn]

Well, I pray to God everyday. I have a close relationship with my angels and say prayers for other people every day. I suppose everyone is different. I never got attacked, but then as I said I have a close relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ and my angels.

I am just wondering if Abrax/Tony went into so much grief after his daughter committed suicide (his daughter was the same age as my youngest son) that in that grief he tried to track her down by any means on the other side. In one of his posts he talked about going to hell, or was that a dream he had, trying to find his daughter.

Maybe he picked up something nasty when all this happened. Just a thought.
Ellie, great post about being not being attacked because of your relationships with those in heaven. I experience this also.

I could see Abrax's pain and suffering. Mercy and Peace be upon him.

[Myplanet2]

Then you might want to have a talk with your God and ask him to help you discern what is going on with the ones that have been hurt here, and why you refuse to see it as an attack that was perpitrated, and not provoked. And certainly not self created.

Just because you and your God cannot see the reality of what we do, does not make it any less real. Draconian goes back to the ancient times, and agends are ripe with their signature. Just because you cannot see it does not mean it is not real. Too many here have been subject to it. Yet you are here to tell us we are all delusional? And armchair warriors? Do you even have a clue what that means? I gather not..as you mock it.....Now aren't we luck to have you here to straighten us all out.

Funny you support a thread that claims possession of the humans by such Dragons...but you dispute the ones that fight them....hmmmm

:welcomeani:

I think my God has their backs. Now not only can I apparently not do your getting it for you, but I'm expected to do your paying attention for you too? what thread is this that it is supposedly funny that I support, Hmmm? Show me this thread. I'd love to see it, and I'd especially love to see one word of support I've given to it. What I've said I support (and this is a good time to pay especially close attention so you don't miss it again) is peoples right to discuss things they are interested in and which are giving them opportunities to discern things, learn things, and grow. You won't find anything posted by me that agrees with any tenets put forth by Abraxasinas, or the Thuban council. Now if you got this far without your mind wandering, good. But if you fell asleep or something go back to midway through this paragraph and read it again. It says what it says. Not what you were expecting to find there.

Of course you can't really check my claim because people like you who would like to be able to tell people what they can be interested in, and where they can go to be interested in it, like to decide for others, and have engineered the removal of the evidence.

I support people making their own decisions. That's all. I support people not trying to impose their own personal preferences on others, because they somehow know best.

In my experience, people who like to tell others who and what they should be, do so because they've failed at being who and what they wanted to be.

[lightblue]

dear elie

this was in reference to myplanet2's love of latin where it's not needed - you may have missed it, i nearly missed it too...the second line of my post goes out to you and all other shiny people on this forum.

bestest l:wink2:


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[ellie]

I am sure Jesus would want to help him still, right Beren?

[bigmo]

well Bigmo, I understand where he is coming from better than most.

I can tell you this, if I went in to cleanse Abraxa/demon...

he is the one I would want standing beside me for protection, because he understands exactly what I would be dealing with.

there is tons of money following this forum so put the money up and bring us together in a central location.

Give us the recording equipment and I guarantee you would be able to hear the possessor of this man as we rip it out of him.

It is not audible to normal human perceptions but recording equipment will pick it up.

you all want to get freaked out...

what you will all hear is something that makes the scariest movies ever made seem like a nursery rhyme...

Rocky I am pragmatic. I don't believe or disbelieve. But if you tell me there are demons coming to take my soul then I've been put on notice and thank you. But it is going to take a little more than a 'preachers sermon' to move this soul off his consciousness... whatever you perceive it to be.

Some people here talk as if all the participants are children... waiting to be taught; incapable of understanding the 'real world'. It is arrogance.

You and Beren may very well be 'light workers' and if you are my hats off to you. But don't expect me to bow to veiled threats of a boogieman either real or imagined.

Peace

[mntruthseeker]

totally agree Rocky

Beren is deffinately who I would want by my side also


Ellie, you are a special person and I for one am glad you have never been attacked.


Susan says it has happened before on this forum and I have to admit that once I seen someone actually show his marks from an attack with a picture. Amazing that left a clear message because the person didn't deny when he accused her of attacking him.

[Anchor]

I see a lot of fear in this thread.

Is it any wonder that psychic attacks succeed in making themselves noticed? Psychic attack is not to be easily dismissed, but then again, nor is hot water or a busy motorway - all hazards that can be negotiated around.

Some people who got caught with their defenses down and have become attacked in a noticeable way are finding out that there are ways (quite easy at that) to defend and not be troubled further.

Others it would seem, are still trapped in a spiral of fear into which we should extend our hands with offers to help. I don't suppose I am the only one being emailed, PM'd and skyped by concerned people. We must all help shine our light whenever we can and in whichever way we judge to be appropriate.

Over the coming years, psychic phenomena are going to be more prevalent not less!

AJ..

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering"

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am sure Jesus would want to help him still, right Beren?

Well part of his condition is in what he was taught anyone that takes their own soul is condemned.

When he opened himself up and said take me to my daughter he was convinced he knew where to find her...

The truth is there are many factors behind why someone took their life...

and he was looking the wrong direction for his little angel...

[ellie]

Your right there Rocky, he would not have found his daughter in hell, that is a myth IMHO that people are condemned to hell if they take their own life.

God himself knows what pain they are in and what is going on and he knows that in that instant they do this they are not in their right mind.

It is just religious dogma that dictates that and it is wrong IMO.

I just can't help feel empathy for him if this was the case so I am going to ask my Lord and the angels and St Michael to help him.

I would want someone to help me.

[orthodoxymoron]

from experience, i've found that most of these attackers (all of mine) have been lost, confused, and very fearful. when they're confronted and litterally reasoned with and shown the truth of what they are, instead of being damned to hell and released as deamons, they often change their ways and can be turned into possitive energy instead of negative. there is a little light inside all these lost soles and when you show it to them, they realise what they are doing is wrong and they leave kindly. in this way, i do send them love and it does seem to work, most are actually eager to leave after a little while.

This is what I really want. I want the bad guys and gals...human and non-human...to become good guys and gals...in their own way...and in their own time. I was hopeful that abraxasinas was in the process of doing this...but I could have been very mistaken. Hope springs eternal. I somehow connect my first UFO sighting (Friday night) with the Thuban Crisis. Could that have been a sort of Drac-Attack?

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[UncleJohn]

This is what I really want. I want the bad guys and gals...human and non-human...to become good guys and gals...in their own way...and in their own time. I was hopeful that abraxasinas was in the process of doing this...but I could have been very mistaken. Hope springs eternal.

What a wonderful thought ODM. I have hopes too. Thanks

[bigmo]

Your right there Rocky, he would not have found his daughter in hell, that is a myth IMHO that people are condemned to hell if they take their own life.

God himself knows what pain they are in and what is going on and he knows that in that instant they do this they are not in their right mind.

It is just religious dogma that dictates that and it is wrong IMO.

I just can't help feel empathy for him if this was the case so I am going to ask my Lord and the angels and St Michael to help him.

I would want someone to help me.

That is such a sweet thought ellie with such kind intent!

Peace and Love to you ellie

[BROOK]

I think my God has their backs. Now not only can I apparently not do your getting it for you, but I'm expected to do your paying attention for you too? what thread is this that it is supposedly funny that I support, Hmmm? Show me this thread. I'd love to see it, and I'd especially love to see one word of support I've given to it. What I've said I support (and this is a good time to pay especially close attention so you don't miss it again) is peoples right to discuss things they are interested in and which are giving them opportunities to discern things, learn things, and grow. You won't find anything posted by me that agrees with any tenets put forth by Abraxasinas, or the Thuban council. Now if you got this far without your mind wandering, good. But if you fell asleep or something go back to midway through this paragraph and read it again. It says what it says. Not what you were expecting to find there.

Of course you can't really check my claim because people like you who would like to be able to tell people what they can be interested in, and where they can go to be interested in it, like to decide for others, and have engineered the removal of the evidence.

I support people making their own decisions. That's all. I support people not trying to impose their own personal preferences on others, because they somehow know best.

In my experience, people who like to tell others who and what they should be, do so because they've failed at being who and what they wanted to be.

I think if the thread was available, I could find supporting posts by you in it. I do remember seeing the praise of some of his post there by you..but as it is no longer available..we will never know now will we?

People do certainly have the right to discuss things....and I claim the right..her and now. :wink2:

I however happen to be on the side of the ones that got hurt. And give them full support in that which they have found. Without calling them delusional in the process. If stopping the thread and banning a member is what that took, then by all means...let the healing begin. You are on the side of healing those that are hurt by it now aren't you?

[BROOK]

I couldn't say what was valuable to anyone else. That's going to be subjective, but to me, it's greatest value was it ability to trigger or restimulate. Abraxasinas presented a lot of the ideas in Archetype form. That cuts to the identity level of work. And will conjure goal sets, and their counter goal sets, and you know how much potential electro-magnetic juice can be enlivened in those areas.

Normally, that would be considered a bit of a slap awake, but with the window of opportunity to process shrinking, I can't say it's a bad thing to dump people in their "soup" to either sink or swim. I don't like to say it, but I think many otherwise together people are going to lose it, for want of a little clearing work on their primary issues.

These buttons have to be softened, and arguably, Abraxasinas was doing the service of pushing a LOT of buttons on people. Under normal circumstances that would be a provocative activity, but under the pressures of having to unpack our baggage, this wake up call was serene compared to the ones available on the next pass of the clearing/purging wave.

Enough have now done enough of their clearing to avoid our collective consciousness pulling in extinction level catastrophies to start people waking up, but events like the Haiti, Chile, Banda aceh, and Chinese quakes are related to this energetic rebalancing, and there are other REALLY unpleasant ones waiting on the horizon, like the total economic collapse, and some ugly wars, and continued eroding of civil liberties, should we force the Law of Attraction to have to rub our noses in it before we wake up the rest of the way.

thanks for asking. I enjoyed answering, even if largely off topic for the thread.

Oh, I've had the opportunity to check into some of the AI stuff you were asking about, and it seems that yes indeed, it is a factor right now, and not insignificant. purely man made.

Abraxasinas belongs here. He belongs here because people are learning, and growing, and having their internal issues dragged out before their eyes, so they can finally confront them and do something about their stagnant conditions.

the point is, don't banish him from everybody. some were still getting somewhere in the discernment lesson. Banish him from your own person, and move on, if that's your choice.


I did not have to look too far for support of the thread now did I?

[Myplanet2]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on


Much love,

-E

Avalon has been and still is, the playing field for a test. Everyone will have their own interpretations, likely, but here's mine. The test was about whether/how differing viewpoints/perspectives can co-exist in harmony, without one having to convert the other to it's side. simple allowance. The experiment was not entirely successful yet.

The sides were not drawn along lines clearly visible to all participants. Those who sought to ban/bar/disallow/expunge/reject/repell/avoid/fear/control, automatically elected anyone opposed to their actions, as supporters of the side they opposed.

Look that one over once. This was never about Pro Thuban vs Anti Thuban. It was about Anti Thuban vs Get out of everybodies hair and leave them alone.

You see how polarization works? I'm against that. so if you are against me and my actions, then you support that, and how could you even?????? Stupid assumptions. That is no different from the Neo Nazi Skin head yelling Jew lover, because someone stands up for a jew being unfairly treated.

I for example have never supported the Council of Thuban materials, only the right of Abraxasinas to present them, and for people to have the opportunity to review and make their own discernments about the material and the presenter.

But that is unacceptable to the fearful. They are afraid that some information is going to hurt people. they are afraid that some presenter is going to hypnotize or possess or enslave the unwary. Why do these people have to paint everybody else with THEIR fears?

And when they couldn't get away with removing what offended them by frontal attack, they went covert and worked behind the scenes. I'm not saying the alleged harassment was manufactured, and I'm not saying it wasn't. I have no idea, as I wasn't there, and didn't see anything suspicious, and no evidence has presented. So I don't know.

But the offended sure do. They know all about this. There are injured, hurt people here!!! Oh yeah? show me one of them. Oops. Can't. they're shy, but it happened!!! I just know it did, because, well, that's what people like that do. I've seen it before. Somebody like him made my sister very nervous once, and it was just awful.

No discernment. just assumption, speculation, projection, suspicion, etc.

And the anti's now say No harm done. everyone got what they wanted. Abrax has his following, which can following him the hell outta here, where decent folk don't have to be exposed to it, and they can read his BS over there.

Well, no. That's just not acceptable. People have the right to do their own discernment, and if they don't, they will before I'm done. Either that, or the villagers will turn their pitch forks on moi and drum me outta dodge too, which wouldn't cause any sleep loss. Who want's to hang around with intolerant witch hunters, Arm chair dragon slayers, or pulpit bashing preachers?

Avalon appears to be a good year in the rest of the planet's future. What we are working out here, will lay one pathway that the rest following along will be able to trace when they get to this point in their collective journeys. We have to work this stuff out better than this. If they get to this point and run into these types of issues, it would be nice to have a piloted solution to serve up. "You can do this, it's worked before." But not if the chicken Shytes won't let the trial run complete.

[SteveX]

SNIPPED

[COLOR=plum]People do certainly have the right to discuss things....and I claim the right..her and now. :wink2:

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From this link http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=250996&postcount=227

The Administration and mod team are just asking you to put down your grenades and give us a few days to Iron out the legal issues the threads have to be overlooked to remove any offensive comments and then restored to the forum as a read only thread.

Perhaps you will abide by your quote when the thread is re-established. May I recommend you stow any voyeuristic tendencies. You will only be offended by your own volition of going to read it.

:mfr_lol:

[Myplanet2]

I did not have to look too far for support of the thread now did I?

How hard is this to understand. Really Brook. What was I saying in those comments. It's not support for the material, or the man presenting it. It's support for the people getting something out of it. It's support for those in the middle of learning something about themselves, or figuring something out about Abraxasinas. It was obviously support for the Avalonians who were doing something useful, until the villagers opened the pitch fork armoury. You really do have to be trying to not understand, because I've never found you to be obtuse to the point where it was impossible to follow a simple explanation. Sheesh.

[SteveX]

MP2 nicely put :thumb_yello:


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[orthodoxymoron]

Consider Leo Zagami>

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFvBJxJEtM&feature=relatedYouTube-
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4UdswnMO4&feature=relatedYouTube-
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg&NR=1&feature=fvwpYouTube-

Does any of the above apply to abraxasinas?

[BROOK]

How hard is this to understand. Really Brook. What was I saying in those comments. It's not support for the material, or the man presenting it. It's support for the people getting something out of it. It's support for those in the middle of learning something about themselves, or figuring something out about Abraxasinas. It was obviously support for the Avalonians who were doing something useful, until the villagers opened the pitch fork armoury. You really do have to be trying to not understand, because I've never found you to be obtuse to the point where it was impossible to follow a simple explanation. Sheesh.


And yet you support people gettting "something" out of it thought they may be attacked? Or worse yet get taken in by some cult figure...Oh I forgot..that's a delusion...hmmm

Guess as you tell it...I just don't get it......:zip:

And this comment is unexcusable to the ones here that have already told you of their pain, and attacks


But the offended sure do. They know all about this. There are injured, hurt people here!!! Oh yeah? show me one of them. Oops. Can't. they're shy, but it happened!!! I just know it did, because, well, that's what people like that do. I've seen it before. Somebody like him made my sister very nervous once, and it was just awful

[ellie]

Consider Leo Zagami>

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFvBJxJEtM&feature=relatedYouTube-
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4UdswnMO4&feature=relatedYouTube-
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg&NR=1&feature=fvwpYouTube-

Does any of the above apply to abraxasinas?

Mmmh, that's another interesting train of thought, but I forgot a lot of what Leo said. I'll have to take another look now.

[Myplanet2]

And yet you support people gettting "something" out of it thought they may be attacked? Or worse yet get taken in by some cult figure...Oh I forgot..that's a delusion...hmmm

...I just don't get it......:zip:

Don't read that book. It might give you ideas. Don't watch that movie, you might get scared. don't meditate, You might encounter something. Don't talk to people, they might be recruiting for a cult.

What am I missing here. do I need to spell it out in numbers? Do I need Susan to translate it? Sign language? Draw you some pictures? Tell any child so they can explain it?

Truly puzzled. :boxed:

[Lionhawk]

This is what I really want. I want the bad guys and gals...human and non-human...to become good guys and gals...in their own way...and in their own time. I was hopeful that abraxasinas was in the process of doing this...but I could have been very mistaken. Hope springs eternal. I somehow connect my first UFO sighting (Friday night) with the Thuban Crisis. Could that have been a sort of Drac-Attack?

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:


They are not going to fulfill your wishes ODM. They will just laugh at you. But keep wishing as hope can be a powerful mover in terms of energy.

[Steven]

That's something else that it would help to share if you're inclined. More than one now has mentioned coming under some sort of psychic attack, and related it to the Abrax/Thuban presence. If anyone was attacked, then we should know about it.

discernment is much more difficult when the information is not in view.

I personally don't want to share it publicly, but I made a small dense resume of it all that I shared with some friends here. Nothing terrible, just a little "visit" :lol3:.

Namaste, Steven

[Myplanet2]

I personally don't want to share it publicly, but I made a small dense resume of it all that I shared with some friends here. Nothing terrible, just a little "visit" :lol3:.

Namaste, Steven

related to the Thuban/Abrax thing?

[tacodog]

You know, I did not read the Thuban thread, I glanced at it, left it, and have just read more or less the reviews on it. Don’t ask me why, the thread just never caught my attention. I am just a person trying to find truth as best I can. I try to live a clean and good life and be of service to people where and when I can. I dream of a world where there is much love for all, where there is no war, bickering, starvation, death; a world where life does not exist by consuming and destroying another.

I have never experienced what many of you have. I have never seen a UFO. I do not believe these things cannot exist. I can only glean from what others have experienced/researched and from this form ideas, theories.

It is no surprise to me that other entities require energy to survive. That is how our 3d world works for life to exist here. There seems to be a variety of ways a life form can consume energy, but always one life ceases to exist here for another; perhaps on a higher level, the energy is exchanged without a “death” of a life force required.
I do not think anyone asks to be attacked, and if they are - why? A hard lesson? Or is it more fatal than that? If so, why? Is our “soul” on the line here? Would our creator allow our soul to cease to exist because we erred? Or, is all of this just a holographic game and we are all but one entity playing out a variety of roles, personalities, entities?

Why would a creator of all that is out of love require worship from its creations? Why would it require that its creations fear it? Do you, as a parent, wish your children to fear you? Do you want them to worship you? Sure you want them to learn, experience life, to grow and to love and to respect. You would protect them with your life if you had to, even if they turned away from you...would you not? Would you wait for your child to ask you for help before you helped him/her? Would you ever lose love and turn your back on your child for disobeying you and allow him/her to cease to exist? Is our creator any different?

So many questions, so much to learn, experience, explore, discern; like starting from scratch because all of this knowledge and truth has been erased from my memory....I admire those who have found a way to access these memories of knowledge and truth.

[Steven]

It is all too interesting, all the attacks, all of the division. I mean most here are aware of the current change our reality is going through but to see it on such a micro scale such as this forum in the past couple of months is mind boggling and has been a tremendous eye opener.

If this all is a precursor to what is to come... I am lost for words. It is all deeply saddening to me. This forum in all the time I have been watching was always a kind of beacon of "love and light" filling at the very least a small number of people with a renewed respect for what humans are capable of if we are mindful.

My hope is that everything soon returns to "normal" but if not I wish nothing but the best to each and every member.... keep on keeping on


Much love,

-E

:lol3: It's not that bad. Perception is often mirrored by our own "interest"...

Namaste, Steven

[orthodoxymoron]

They are not going to fulfill your wishes ODM. They will just laugh at you. But keep wishing as hope can be a powerful mover in terms of energy.

So...bad guys and bad gals...human and non-human...cannot or will not become good guys and good gals? Is there no hope of any sort of redemption and reformation? So...we just fight and fight and fight and fight...in trench-warfare...until one side obliterates and/or enslaves the other? Hasn't that been the modus operandi for millions or billions of years? Has it worked? Perhaps we should try something different. I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!" Hope springs eternal. I agree with tacodog.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Steven]

related to the Thuban/Abrax thing?

Yes, related to the thuban material, not Abraxas.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

Well, I pray to God everyday. I have a close relationship with my angels and say prayers for other people every day. I suppose everyone is different. I never got attacked, but then as I said I have a close relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ and my angels.

I am just wondering if Abrax/Tony went into so much grief after his daughter committed suicide (his daughter was the same age as my youngest son) that in that grief he tried to track her down by any means on the other side. In one of his posts he talked about going to hell, or was that a dream he had, trying to find his daughter.

Maybe he picked up something nasty when all this happened. Just a thought.

Oh dear... I know what suicide is. I know what one can do when his cherish does it so. I lived it, twice. It took me all the angels from the heavens to prevent me from turning into an inconsolable warrior, love healed me. You might be very, very right on your take...

Namaste, Steven

[SteveX]

So...bad guys and bad gals...human and non-human...cannot or will not become good guys and good gals? Is there no hope of any sort of redemption and reformation? So...we just fight and fight and fight and fight...in trench-warfare...until one side obliterates and/or enslaves the other? Hasn't that been the modus operandi for millions or billions of years? Has it worked? Perhaps we should try something different. I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!" Hope springs eternal. I agree with tacodog.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

For the same reason communism didn't work. Human nature. The I wants, the can't have's, the us and them, the rich the poor, the lovers, the hater, the brave, the fearful.

Don't loose the faith...It might get interesting soon.

[Steven]

Your right there Rocky, he would not have found his daughter in hell, that is a myth IMHO that people are condemned to hell if they take their own life.

God himself knows what pain they are in and what is going on and he knows that in that instant they do this they are not in their right mind.

It is just religious dogma that dictates that and it is wrong IMO.

I just can't help feel empathy for him if this was the case so I am going to ask my Lord and the angels and St Michael to help him.

I would want someone to help me.

Totally true. A myth... I can write pages about it. The only judge is yourself, even Creator/Creation itself will not judge you, if so, then no other being can do so other than you. The sad part of this myth is that it is well rooted into our consciousness.

Namaste, Steven

[mntruthseeker]

I see a lot of fear in this thread.

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering"


I want to thank you Anchor for posting this

You made me look at Fear. I had written something down a few years back and I had to go dig it back up after reading all that you put.

Here it is

“If you allow yourself to release fear and judgment of all things
(which is truly only an expression of fear)
You eliminate the illusion of separation.
All things are one.
To separate any one thing from another
Is to place a judgment upon it.

Judgments = resistance
Resistance = fear
Fear = limitation and separation “

Lauren Zimmerman


Even though I got over any fear I might of felt, I still felt that I was better leaving the thuban personally.

I do not have the right to judge Abrax nor do I want to. In a way I felt I was defending my own right to have the feelings I had against those that didnt.

Everyone is judging the next person when none of us are right.

I'm really sorry for offending anyone. Abrax has every right to his own belief
same as the rest of us. I never wanted to see his thread closed.

I never like to see anyone banned. If we ban one for speaking out then the next one and the next one.......soon no one can speak

[BROOK]

SteveX...

May I recommend you stow any voyeuristic tendencies. You will only be offended by your own volition of going to read it.
You are somewhat repeating your self here..so at the risk of repeating myself...I'll play the back nine again..... :mfr_lol:





Bravo! You are in the same family as your signature video. "Save me vibes" from a paragraph in answer to the same question. ...:mfr_lol:

You go Mr commentator....(Bill O'Reilly would be proud) while I continue to digest the bile from all that "gall"....again :mfr_lol:

And as any good politically motivated commontator...let's dodge the issue all together. As the post was in answer to a statement made by a member that was as follows....


but I know abrax hurt nobody...

You sure did learn one thing from the Thuban thread....and that is the same style of answer...fits to a tee....I'm on the 18th hole...."fore" ...and heading for the clubhouse for some good laughs, and giving you no further comment as it is not worth my time....:mfr_lol:

[Rocky_Shorz]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering"

should Angels fear darkness?

Legions of Angels are lighting up like never before in the history of man...

Knowing that evil spirits exist is critical for those meant to stand against it, better to learn now than on the 20 story fall...

Avalon is a gathering place we have all been drawn to, each and every one of us have the strength in our hearts to stand against the forces we will be facing together.

This was not a test of our strength, it was a very special learning process for many that don't understand the battles that lie ahead.

the darkness surrounding this forum was cast away in a whisper, and peace has been restored.

That is our gift...

The fights are over and many lessons have been learned...

[Céline]

should Angels fear darkness?

Legions of Angels are lighting up like never before in the history of man...

Knowing that evil spirits exist is critical for those meant to stand against it, better to learn now than on the 20 story fall...

Avalon is a gathering place we have all been drawn to, each and every one of us have the strength in our hearts to stand against the forces we will be facing together.

This was not a test of our strength, it was a very special learning process for many that don't understand the battles that lie ahead.

the darkness surrounding this forum was cast away in a whisper, and peace has been restored.

That is our gift...

The fights are over and many lessons have been learned...



HEAR HEAR!!!

thank you for your clarity and heart...

i hope it touches everyone as it has touched me

Avalon..is the reason we are all so passionate about this..

Can't you see it?

My GOD i can FEEL it!!!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Celine I should apologize to you and many others, I was this close to the darkness and didn't step in.

Abraxas had been following along on this thread which I was depending on and the evil inside of him did what I expected and lashed out at me.

The evil has been purged...

I pray this thunderstorm is forgotten by all of you, and may tomorrow bring the warm sunshine and spring flowers you deserve...

Rocky

[TRANCOSO]

What?!
Abraxas banned?
Did I miss something? :wall:

[UncleJohn]

What?!
Abraxas banned?
Did I miss something? :wall:

Yes, you missed it.

This situation is under review.

Hang in there.

Mod Uncle John

[BROOK]

Yes, you missed it.

This situation is under review.

Hang in there.

Mod Uncle John

Looks to me like the ban was removed, and he is back as a member.
Edit: or maybe not...it's changed again.

[Myplanet2]

should Angels fear darkness?

Legions of Angels are lighting up like never before in the history of man...

Knowing that evil spirits exist is critical for those meant to stand against it, better to learn now than on the 20 story fall...

Avalon is a gathering place we have all been drawn to, each and every one of us have the strength in our hearts to stand against the forces we will be facing together.

This was not a test of our strength, it was a very special learning process for many that don't understand the battles that lie ahead.

the darkness surrounding this forum was cast away in a whisper, and peace has been restored.

That is our gift...

The fights are over and many lessons have been learned...

Do I understand you to be saying you've undertaken some sort of vigilante action here? Who asked you to do that? Why don't you self styled protectors of those who never asked you see if you can get Richard to set you up in your own little cubby like he did Abraxasinas, where you can play vigilante to your hearts content. But stop assuming you have some mandate to do any sort of energetic work on behalf of anyone else.

You people need to knock it of with your Good vs evil (mod edit Uncle John. I don't care how you spell a curse word. If I can recognize it, I'm going to edit it out). Nobody asked you.

Where are the people with the ban sticks now? You've got people here admitting to having turned Avalon into some sort of battleground. You going to do something about that?

[Céline]

You people need to knock it of with your Good vs evil Shyte. Nobody asked you.

?

Censorship MP2?

[TRANCOSO]

Where are the people with the ban sticks now? You've got people here admitting to having turned Avalon into some sort of battleground. You going to do something about that?
Found them!
:ban: :adminpower: :protest: :ban:

(mod edit Uncle John: this is one of the few forums where you can get away with mocking the mods)

[Myplanet2]

Censorship MP2?

No, inviting them to stop acting on behalf of others who don't want their meddling interference. You're in tight with Richard. can't you get him to give them a room where they can put on their robes and chant and banish stuff and whatever they want, where others don't have to be bothered with it if they don't want? I mean that's how things get done around here these days, isn't it?

[BROOK]

Do I understand you to be saying you've undertaken some sort of vigilante action here? Who asked you to do that? Why don't you self styled protectors of those who never asked you see if you can get Richard to set you up in your own little cubby like he did Abraxasinas, where you can play vigilante to your hearts content. But stop assuming you have some mandate to do any sort of energetic work on behalf of anyone else.
You people need to knock it of with your Good vs evil (mod edit Uncle John. I don't care how you spell a curse word. If I can recognize it, I'm going to edit it out). Nobody asked you.

Where are the people with the ban sticks now? You've got people here admitting to having turned Avalon into some sort of battleground. You going to do something about that?

How about you just let us do our thing, and not worry about it. Free will allows us to do energetic work anytime we please...just as Abraxis does.

[Céline]

No, inviting them to stop acting on behalf of others who don't want their meddling interference. You're in tight with Richard. can't you get him to give them a room where they can put on their robes and chant and banish stuff and whatever they want, where others don't have to be bothered with it if they don't want? I mean that's how things get done around here these days, isn't it?

Assuming makes a what out of you again?

if it where up to me id give them a mountain to shout on...do you know why MP2?? Because You, i.. the rest of us.. WE are the physical embodiment of what is happening in the world..

your passion is a true testement to your heart...

so is mine..

so is brooks..

so is LionHearts..

so is Rockys...

So is Avalons...

i know you feel it...

i love you MP2

[Fredkc]

Or, perhaps some crapper of a subforum where we can dump threads that are a complete waste of people's energy....

Like this one?

This cr@p was pointless bacl on page 2.

Fred

[Myplanet2]

How about you just let us do our thing, and not worry about it. Free will allows us to do energetic work anytime we please...just as Abraxis does.

No. I don't want you people doing anything on behalf of the rest of us. You don't have the mandate. You don't have the right. You are infringing others rights to not participate, when you do it for the Forum.

If you didn't like the Abrax stuff, you could have ignored it, but you couldn't even keep from infringing your own rights to not be exposed to it.

Will some mod please instruct these people that they have no right to do any work on behalf of others here? I wouldn't trust these people to banish a flea from my dog.

[orthodoxymoron]

After reading nearly 20 pages of ranting and raving (some of it is mine)...I have absolutely no doubt as to why Earth is under quarantine.

:wall::nono::lmao::mad3::tongue2::zip::lightsabre:

[Céline]

so say i wanted to pray for everyone here..

i cant?

[TRANCOSO]

Found them!
:ban: :adminpower: :protest: :ban:

(mod edit Uncle John: this is one of the few forums where you can get away with mocking the mods)
:mfr_lol:

[BROOK]

No. I don't want you people doing anything on behalf of the rest of us. You don't have the mandate. You don't have the right. You are infringing others rights to not participate, when you do it for the Forum.

If you didn't like the Abrax stuff, you could have ignored it, but you couldn't even keep from infringing your own rights to not be exposed to it.

Will some mod please instruct these people that they have no right to do any work on behalf of others here? I wouldn't trust these people to banish a flea from my dog.


I think you are assuming.....I have not done anything to protect you...you my friend are on your own...so have no worrys.

Only those that ask, or give permission....that's how it works

Too bad that was not how Abraxis worked....

:wink2:

[Anchor]

Abraxas had been following along on this thread which I was depending on and the evil inside of him did what I expected and lashed out at me.

The evil has been purged...

I pray this thunderstorm is forgotten by all of you, and may tomorrow bring the warm sunshine and spring flowers you deserve...

Thanks for doing that - whatever it was - so - please can we unban abraxasinas now then since he's been purged of the evil.

Oh, for the last point, thanks for that as well, but I really don't think I want to FORGET any of this thanks.

Did you really just pray for me to forget something? (I am going to assume the best and that it was just a poor choice of words).

AJ..

[Myplanet2]

I think you are assuming.....I have not done anything to protect you...you my friend are on your own...so have no worrys.

Only those that ask, or give permission....that's how it works

Too bad that was not how Abraxis worked....

:wink2:

Bull. He said the fight is over. this is our gift. That's not invitation only. And thank you for not protecting me. You can't even follow a conversation, so I feel much safer without your protection. See, if you remember, which you don't, I said I am not a supporter of Abraxasinas, so why do you keep bringing him up as though it should matter to me. I support his right to membership, subject to the terms of same, but that's it. so stop assuming, and tell the rest of your coven to omit me from their rites and rituals too, until proper mod action can be taken to put a stop to this outrageous behaviour.

[TRANCOSO]

Or, perhaps some crapper of a subforum where we can dump threads that are a complete waste of people's energy....

Like this one?

This cr@p was pointless bacl on page 2.

Fred
You think so?
I'm good though!
Admit it!
And that's an order! :naughty:

[Unified Serenity]

Wait, can you hear it?


It's a sucking sound of energy draining. People are distracted and their energy is being sucked by this chaos. Again, complete waste of time and energy to keep this going.

Chaos was the purpose and the sheeple fall into it so easily.

US

[Anchor]

so say i wanted to pray for everyone here..

i cant?

No one can stop you.

AJ..

[Unified Serenity]

After reading nearly 20 pages of ranting and raving (some of it is mine)...I have absolutely no doubt as to why Earth is under quarantine.

:wall::nono::lmao::mad3::tongue2::zip::lightsabre:

hahahahaaa... thanks ODM

[Rocky_Shorz]

Nobody asked you.



When I see pain I will step in without being asked...

you on the other hand seem to prefer inflicting pain on everyone you can. The difference between you and Abraxa was he couldn't help it, you can.

The nice thing is after this moment I will click ignore and you my friend will disappear from my life...

oh, and one more thing before I forget, Abraxas didn't ask for my help, but the evil that attacked me begged for mercy, and he received none...

[Myplanet2]

so say i wanted to pray for everyone here..

i cant?

Not me, you can't.

[Céline]

Not me, you can't.

cant? in your world ...i need permission..to pray for you?

My God...how sad Mp2...

[Céline]

No one can stop you.

AJ..

Your words are always empowering Anchor. thank you

[Myplanet2]

When I see pain I will step in without being asked...



Apparently, making uninvited advances is a bannable offence here. Consider this my official complaint, and request for this individual who shows no respect for other peoples sovereignty, to be banned.

[Céline]

Apparently, making uninvited advances is a bannable offence here. Consider this my official complaint, and request for this individual who shows no respect for other peoples sovereignty, to be banned.

i love you Mp2

[Myplanet2]

cant? in your world ...i need permission..to pray for you?

My God...how sad Mp2...

It's not sad. Look at the constant stream of messes you create. God only knows what you'd have answering your prayers. Stay out of my business. I'll do my own communing with God, and the great angels.

[Céline]

It's not sad. Look at the constant stream of messes you create. God only knows what you'd have answering your prayers. Stay out of my business. I'll do my own communing with God, and the great angels.

you have no idea how much cleaning up i have tried to do..


i am sorry i cannot do what you ask/order

[TRANCOSO]

When I see pain I will step in without being asked...

you on the other hand seem to prefer inflicting pain on everyone you can. The difference between you and Abraxa was he couldn't help it, you can.

The nice thing is after this moment I will click ignore and you my friend will disappear from my life...

oh, and one more thing before I forget, Abraxas didn't ask for my help, but the evil that attacked me begged for mercy, and he received none...
SAY "NO" TO DRUGS! :naughty:

[Céline]

SAY "NO" TO DRUGS! :naughty:

prozac might help Tran

[Anchor]

Your words are always empowering Anchor. thank you

Thanks.

You have the power, you also have the responsibility - and non-infringment of anothers freewill is quite important.

So by all means pray away - let the love/intent flow. However, it is often best to set your desire to help only those that want or ask for the helping, and for the rest, those that dont want it or you dont know one way or the other: you can simply offering your light back into the universe and let it sort out the rationing of the necessary workings as it knows best.

AJ..

[Myplanet2]

you have no idea how much cleaning up i have tried to do..


i am sorry i cannot do what you ask/order

DO NOT pray for me. I'm serious. I don't want your requests to God or the universe having anything to do with me. I mean it.

[Céline]

Thanks.

You have the power, you also have the responsibility - and non-infringment of anothers freewill is quite important.

So by all means pray away - let the love/intent flow. However, it is often best to set your desire to help only those that want or ask for the helping, and for the rest, those that dont want it or you dont know one way or the other: you can simply offering your light back into the universe and let it sort out the rationing of the necessary workings as it knows best.

AJ..

if that is true....

them i am alone..

[TRANCOSO]

DO NOT pray for me. I'm serious. I don't want your requests to God or the universe having anything to do with me. I mean it.
:mf_popeanim:
He's praying now! 4 you. Feel it?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Did you really just pray for me to forget something? (I am going to assume the best and that it was just a poor choice of words).

AJ..

well if you don't remember, it must have worked... :lol3:

[TRANCOSO]

well if you don't remember, it must have worked... :lol3:
Logic!
Are you a Vulcan?

[Myplanet2]

:mf_popeanim:
He's praying now! 4 you. Feel it?

I don't care of the pope does it. he's relatively harmless. I just don't want Celine or Brook praying for me. Yikes. I thought I was done having to summon protection.

[Céline]

I don't care of the pope does it. he's relatively harmless. I just don't want Celine or Brook praying for me. Yikes. I thought I was done having to summon protection.


well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

[Myplanet2]

well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

It feels like rape to me. I'm feeling violated. Now I'm hurt and I want you banned. Go tell Richard to ban you right away. Or ban yourself. but leave me alone. This is harassment.

[BROOK]

well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

I'm LMAO over here..this has got to be the ultimate in last ditch efforts to have the last work..so by all means...please let MP2
have the last word..tell him he is100 % correct in all of his aspirations here..and lets get on now.

MP2...no worries...we will not pray for you...but if I choose to pray for the forum..well...you cannot stop that..now matter how hard you try....this is the silliest thing I've seen in a long time now..and it has me ROFL..:mfr_lol: Somebody ban me as I am praying for the world too.....hahahahahahahaha

[Myplanet2]

I'm LMAO over here..this has got to be the ultimate in last ditch efforts to have the last work..so by all means...please let MP2
have the last word..tell him he is100 % correct in all of his aspirations here..and lets get on now.

MP2...no worries...we will not pray for you...but if I choose to pray for the forum..well...you cannot stop that..now matter how hard you try....this is the silliest thing I've seen in a long time now..and it has me ROFL..:mfr_lol: Somebody ban me as I am praying for the world too.....hahahahahahahaha


You think this is a joke? Thanks for agreeing to not pray for me. I don't want you or any of the others who don't mind infringing others rights like this while whining about Abraxas allegedly doing the same thing, placing the focus of ANY of their misguided energy on me.

[Céline]

You think this is a joke? Thanks for agreeing to not pray for me. I don't want you or any of the others who don't mind infringing others rights like this while whining about Abraxas allegedly doing the same thing, placing the focus of ANY of their misguided energy on me.

i dont whine about abrax.. i ahev nothing to say against his thread or his words..i made my apologies..i

i will just continue to love you ...

[TRANCOSO]

It feels like rape to me. I'm feeling violated. Now I'm hurt and I want you banned. Go tell Richard to ban you right away. Or ban yourself. but leave me alone. This is harassment.
I demand $100.000 - just for starters - in Euros, small, used bills, or I'm gonna pray for you!
As in serious prayer!
I'll PM the details later.

Love, Peace & Respect!
LORD TRANCOSO of the GFL

In case you're not familiar with the GFL; we're sort of a Galactic Spanish Inquisition.
:yay: