Abraxas has been enjoined and his group is closed Edited

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Tango felt the need to ban abraxas without warning
and to close the group


I would like to know why?

[BROOK]

Tango felt the need to ban abraxas without warning
and to close the group


I would like to know why?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20721

[Steven]

Tango? He isn't a moderator?

You are refering to this I think:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=250283&postcount=1

Namaste, Steven

[Myplanet2]

Tango isn't a mod. Must have been someone else. Nobody claims the deed in the "final thuban thread". My money would be on Richard.

[Rocky_Shorz]

makes sense enough said where is the delete button for this thread...?

[orthodoxymoron]

There may very well be good reasons to put a stop to certain activities...for legal and ethical reasons...but the abraxasinas threads may contain valuable information of historical, contemporary, and future value. I find pulling all of the abraxasinas and Thuban material http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20721 to be very curious. I did not identify with or subscribe to the Thuban material...but I smell a rat. I'm sorry...but why can't the objectionable and legally problematic posts be removed (and safely stored)? This site has gone down so many times...that I suspect foul-play and powerful plug-pulling. I'm not mad...I just wished to place this point of view on the record. There needs to be a way to access the abraxasinas and Thuban material...even if it's complete BS...and abraxasinas is the most unsavory character imaginable. It may have great research value. If abraxasinas was in the process of turning from darkness to light...and was beginning to expose the darkside...this material takes on even greater value. I made a couple of pointed posts on the abraxasinas thread...and abraxasinas did not respond to the second one...which was the most intense. Then...last night I thought I saw a very brief UFO dogfight (my first sighting - and I'm not sure what I saw - or thought I saw). I felt sick. Now I feel even sicker. I wished to attempt a cordial and friendly conversation with abraxasinas...but now I can't. Nobody can. Again...I hope that the reasons for this action are as stated...and that they are not being imposed by alphabet agencies or underground bases.

OK...you pulled my thread titled "Thuban Thoughts". Why? Please restore this thread immediately. Now I am mad. Who's next? Has the crack-down started? Don't chip me bro!

Now...back to your regularly scheduled program. Stay in your homes. Everything is fine.

[Myplanet2]

There may very well be good reasons to put a stop to certain activities...for legal and ethical reasons...but the abraxasinas threads may contain valuable information of historical, contemporary, and future value. I find pulling all of the abraxasinas and Thuban material http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20721 to be very curious. I did not identify with or subscribe to the Thuban material...but I smell a rat. I'm sorry...but why can't the objectionable and legally problematic posts be removed (and safely stored)? This site has gone down so many times...that I suspect foul-play and powerful plug-pulling. I'm not mad...I just wished to place this point of view on the record. There needs to be a way to access the abraxasinas and Thuban material...even if it's complete BS...and abraxasinas is the most unsavory character imaginable. It may have great research value. If abraxasinas was in the process of turning from darkness to light...and was beginning to expose the darkside...this material takes on even greater value. I made a couple of pointed posts on the abraxasinas thread...and abraxasinas did not respond to the second one...which was the most intense. Then...last night I thought I saw a very brief UFO dogfight (my first sighting - and I'm not sure what I saw - or thought I saw). I felt sick. Now I feel even sicker. I wished to attempt a cordial and friendly conversation with abraxasinas...but now I can't. Nobody can. Again...I hope that the reasons for this action are as stated...and that they are not being imposed by alphabet agencies or underground bases.

OK...you pulled my thread titled "Thuban Thoughts". Why? Please restore this thread immediately. Now I am mad. Who's next?

Now...back to your regularly scheduled program. Stay in your homes. Everything is fine.

I have to agree with some of your points, ODM. I'm not sure it's necessary to wipe out every trace, as has been done. at least removed from public view, anyway. (there's a locker in the staff area where this stuff is kept)

I also agree that your discussion thread had no business being lumped in with Abraxasinas' threads and his social group area.

But something tells me that there is no regret over having had the opportunity to take this action present itself. And we're not ever going to see any supporting evidence, for or against, so it seems a little like a done deal. (Except for your discussion thread. I'd really like to see justification for removing that).

If the "subject" of Thuban is now banned along with the purportedly offensive material, then it's a censorship thing, and "Houston...we have a problem".

[HORIZONS]

This fits much of what's been going on lately on this forum, but I'll post it here:

"You are afraid of us - afraid of change.
I don't know the future, I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end.
I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I'm going to hang up the phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see.
I am going to show them a world without you - A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries.
A world where anything is possible.
Where we go from there is a choice I leave with you." ~Neo

KOYAANISQATS!

[orthodoxymoron]

I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!"

[dddanieljjjamesss]

so was abraxis just a nutter trying to pick up conspiracy-forum chicks?



edit: just kidding guys, I have no pro or anti thuban stance.

[Christo888]

so was abraxis just a nutter trying to pick up conspiracy-forum chicks?

:mfr_lol:

That was good! :lol3:

[Myplanet2]

I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!"

Not really. I don't think that has left certain minds and consciousness at all. Just notice that announcement thread. It's called final, it's locked, yet not stickied. To me, that says "go away, and the sooner the better".

If I were you, I'd push to have your thread restored, after any needed editing. That's been done before. In fact I did just such a project here one time. I sorted a big bunch of threads that were in the holding pen, for whether they should just be deleted, or given a new home in an appropriate sub-forum after some editing of nasty comments, and that sort of thing.

So your thread could be restored and anyone still interested in discussion of the topic could do so. It's died down a lot, but there was still some active debate and discernment taking place, which is a good thing.

[UncleJohn]

As a forum moderator, I was not advised of this.

I am working very hard at the present to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps this whole forum has been taken over?

Uncle John

[THE eXchanger]

i have never had anything,
but, been treated with respect by tony/abraxas ?

[Myplanet2]

so was abraxis just a nutter trying to pick up conspiracy-forum chicks?

This is a conspiracy forum? No wonder I'm such an odd ball here. :argue:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

As a forum moderator, I was not advised of this.

I am working very hard at the present to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps this whole forum has been taken over?

Uncle John



Yes Uncle John


Ask Richard and Tango

Jealousy can do terrible evil things to people

So evil they begin seeing Evil in everyone

[JesterTerrestrial]

As a forum moderator, I was not advised of this.

I am working very hard at the present to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps this whole forum has been taken over?

Uncle John

WHAT?!

Taken over by who?

What dose that mean?

i really do not like it when things like this are said and or happen!

PEACE!!!

[ellie]

It would be prudent if someone would come up with some sort of proof of the people that were harrassed, mmmmmh.

I am smelling those torches around the stake here.................

We are not in the middle of the 1500s now, so whether you like or dislike the person maybe some proof would be a good idea.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I got this from Tango

Mariey.... I Love You... I just Ban, Abrax...

I can not lose you to some one that is Reading out
of the Book The Woman with the Dragon Tatto...

Don't be angry at anyone else, as it is ME concerned

about My Friend [that I Love]... Please don't Leave me

I'm protecting My community...

My Friend... That I LOVE...

With respect for you...

Trooly,


Tango

Yell at ME No one else...


Tango needs to be banned if he is allowing his arrogance to ban people without warning and without being allowed to defend themselves

[Nebula9D]

Someone said i smelled a rat about all this! I agree. First of not to jump to conclusions and make judgment about anything out of respect of all, lets do some reasoning here:

1. Allegedly, there were complaints, fine. Ok, was there a thorough investigation of said complaints, before taking action?
2. Why were all the Thuban threads pulled down, without prior notice of pending issues?
3. Could someone please show us the proof within the Thuban threads that support said accusations?
4. And did this warrant pulling all of the Thuban material down?
5. Please help us make sense of this!

[Linda]

As a forum moderator, I was not advised of this.

I am working very hard at the present to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps this whole forum has been taken over?

Uncle John

Well, well, well.

I did not follow this person because I was not interested in what he had to say.

Still, FREE SPEECH is a very important thing to me from EVERYBODY as long as they do no harm.

So, what exactly did he do for this to happen? Who called the shot?

If he stepped over the line, then I completely understand, but if not....

That would be VERY worrying for us and the future of this forum.

[Linda]

Makes you wonder which other threads will suddenly disappear.....

[THE eXchanger]

if someone did this, that is NOT a mod
they should be banned !!!

[UncleJohn]

I'm going to break from protocol here. Normal protocol is that moderator discussion are kept private.

Things are seriously wrong with the moderation on this forum at the current time.

I have tried to discuss this with others in management but have only been able to reach a few of them and I don't believe those I'm talking to are real.

Hold on, we will get this straighten out, but it might take weeks.

Uncle John

[THE eXchanger]

I got this from Tango

Mariey.... I Love You... I just Ban, Abrax...

I can not lose you to some one that is Reading out
of the Book The Woman with the Dragon Tatto...

Don't be angry at anyone else, as it is ME concerned

about My Friend [that I Love]... Please don't Leave me

I'm protecting My community...

My Friend... That I LOVE...

With respect for you...

Trooly,


Tango

Yell at ME No one else...


Tango needs to be banned if he is allowing his arrogance to ban people without warning and without being allowed to defend themselves

SO, who is TANGO the spiritual grandfather LOL ???

[Linda]

Take weeks?

Hmmmm

[THE eXchanger]

I'm going to break from protocol here. Normal protocol is that moderator discussion are kept private.

Things are seriously wrong with the moderation on this forum at the current time.

I have tried to discuss this with others in management but have only been able to reach a few of them and I don't believe those I'm talking to are real.

Hold on, we will get this straighten out, but it might take weeks.

Uncle John

SOMETHING is ROTTEN in den-mark ;)

[GaiaLove]

As a forum moderator, I was not advised of this.

I am working very hard at the present to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps this whole forum has been taken over?

Uncle John
This is not the case.
After receiving complaints of sexual harassment by several members of the forum against the user abraxasinas. Those complaints as well as a review of the increasingly sexually oriented posts on this site by him leaves the administration no choice but to deny him access to the forum as well as pull all his threads and posts pending any potential legal action by the members affected.

Project Avalon deeply regrets any harm suffered by its members

[Boober]

We should have a vote on who gets to be banned. Unless the members at avalon votes really wouldnt count anyway.Oh well, in that case. I say we should ban someone once a month. Offer them up as a sacrifice!

[Myplanet2]

Those who wanted him gone all along have this pretty neatly and tidily wrapped up now. They can't show member complaints, so we have to take their word on them. And they can't leave anything which could be construed as contributing to the complaining members discomfort in view either, which they can just claim was all of it, or that there is just too much material to sort, and it's removed pending sorting. (which will never happen)

I think those supporting the right of Abraxasinas and his Thuban threads to be here, have simply been out strategised. Which wouldn't be hard to do, because they weren't plotting anything. lol. So had no need to try to apply counter strategies to thwart the villagers who were never going to let this rest.

I'd personally be surprised if anyone told Abraxasinas to leave them alone, and that he refused to comply. But we'll never see any evidence in that regard either.

Neatly done, this was. Someone knows their Art of War.

[UncleJohn]

Our moderator conventions and understandings are being ignored at the present.

GaiaLove appears to be acting alone in his actions.

Uncle John

[ellie]

Those who wanted him gone all along have this pretty neatly and tidily wrapped up now. They can't show member complaints, so we have to take their word on them. And they can't leave anything which could be construed as contributing to the complaining members discomfort in view either, which they can just claim was all of it, or that there is just too much material to sort, and it's removed pending sorting. (which will never happen)

I think those supporting the right of Abraxasinas and his Thuban threads to be here, have simply been out strategised. Which wouldn't be hard to do, because they weren't plotting anything. lol. So had no need to try to apply counter strategies to thwart the villagers who were never going to let this rest.

I'd personally be surprised if anyone told Abraxasinas to leave them alone, and that he refused to comply. But we'll never see any evidence in that regard either.

Neatly done, this was. Someone knows their Art of War.

Thank you Canada, I am glad to see you guys have got the gutz and the forethought to know this has been planned for a while.

You are 100% right. This has been a planned move by one of tptb who once again is going to let an innocent person take the fall.

I know I am not supposed to name call......................so.............to .... ....

you are a facist p.... and will get yours.

BTW you do know this is slanderous saying things like that that cannot be corroborated. Pr..k.:tongue2:

[Linda]

Our moderator conventions and understandings are being ignored at the present.

GaiaLove appears to be acting alone in his actions.

Uncle John

Interesting....but I doubt that he is acting ALONE.

Where does Bill stand on this matter?

[Myplanet2]

It's a checkmate. Just the claim of sexual harassment takes this out of a negotiable situation. It also means they not only don't have to, but can't show supporting evidence. Checkmate.

But you can't hide your intentions and double dealing shenanigans from a bunch of intuitive people, so now what. Everybody looking knows this was the product of a well planned campaign, yet no redress can be forthcoming due to the nature of the comlaints.

Methinks this will backfire.

[Boober]

The avalonwar part 3! Funny thing is I agree, i think they have been sitting around plotting this. "Hmmm how can we ban him from the forum. We cant just ban him. mwuahahah let the games begin. Avalon domination!", lol. This is awesome.

[THE eXchanger]

did 'the ark' hit someone's sore spot ???

all the private group messages, are wiped out too

[Myplanet2]

Interesting....but I doubt that he is acting ALONE.

Where does Bill stand on this matter?

Bill has already made his position clear on this. More sleep not lost.

[THE eXchanger]

It's a checkmate. Just the claim of sexual harassment takes this out of a negotiable situation. It also means they not only don't have to, but can't show supporting evidence. Checkmate.

But you can't hide your intentions and double dealing shenanigans from a bunch of intuitive people, so now what. Everybody looking knows this was the product of a well planned campaign, yet no redress can be forthcoming due to the nature of the comlaints.

Methinks this will backfire.

pretty serious things to accuse someone of esp; in a public way

[Linda]

did 'the ark' hit someone's sore spot ???

all the private group messages, are wiped out too

The ark?

group messages also wiped out?

Wow.....the plot thickens....

[JesterTerrestrial]

We should have a vote on who gets to be banned. Unless the members at avalon votes really wouldnt count anyway.Oh well, in that case. I say we should ban someone once a month. Offer them up as a sacrifice!

I say you about to get banned!!! :mfr_lol:

THERE WILL BE NO SACRIFICE!!!

Do you have anything constructive to contribute to Project Avalon!!?

JTEYE

[Myplanet2]

Thank you Canada, I am glad to see you guys have got the gutz and the forethought to know this has been planned for a while.

You are 100% right. This has been a planned move by one of tptb who once again is going to let an innocent person take the fall.

I know I am not supposed to name call......................so.............to .... ....

you are a facist p.... and will get yours.

BTW you do know this is slanderous saying things like that that cannot be corroborated. Pr..k.:tongue2:

OMG, I think I'm going to have to love Ellie now. Now don't report me to the itty bitty banning committy

[Boober]

I say you about to get banned!!! :mfr_lol:

THERE WILL BE NO SACRIFICE!!!

Do you have anything constructive to contribute to Project Avalon!!?

JTEYE

lol nice one, what an ironic statement.

[orthodoxymoron]

I was scared last night. I didn't want to go to work. I am almost terrified now. But hell...I'm a nut-case anyway...so that doesn't mean much...does it? That UFO thing...combined with the abraxasinas stuff...including what I said most recently on that thread...has me nearly petrified and bed-ridden. Can anyone corroborate the sexual harrassment thing? That sounds bogus to me. Other than the first abraxasinas post (that hellish quoted passage from some book)...I haven't seen evidence of this...but then I have sort of watched the abraxasinas and Thuban thing from a distance...because I didn't wish to get sucked into something which I wasn't spiritually, emotionally, and intellectually prepared to deal with. I've just recently started looking at it more closely. Now...I am unable to do so...and my work toward that end has been removed...BY WHOM? WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE? ARE THEY PEOPLE? Answers Please.

[ellie]

Ellie breaths sigh of relief............"at last she thinks to herself an actual knight, brave and true in the form of MyPlanet2".

Okay I know how this particular person works behind the scenes who is taking down Abrax and throwing a lot of sticky stuff his way and to him I say

I am watching you and GaiaLove I know it was not your decision, your just another innocent pawn being used here. Ya poor thing.

Ellie gettin on horse now to go and cool off. :wink2:

[Linda]

OMG, I think I'm going to have to love Ellie now. Now don't report me to the itty bitty banning committy

Oh, I just love Ellie because she always speaks her mind.
They better not ever ban her!

[THE eXchanger]

Oh, I just love Ellie because she always speaks her mind.
They better not ever ban her!

Linda, i guess, i won't be able to tease you anymore :(

[mkspllmn]

I said this on another thread.

Project Camelot / Avalon, including the mod team, has been compromised.

The whole deal is over.

This spoken from a long time supporter. I can see it happening and it was inevitable.

It breaks my heart.

[ellie]

I was scared last night. I didn't want to go to work. I am almost terrified now. But hell...I'm a nut-case anyway...so that doesn't mean much...does it? That UFO thing...combined with the abraxasinas stuff...including what I said most recently on that thread...has me nearly petrified and bed-ridden. Can anyone corroborate the sexual harrassment thing? That sounds bogus to me. Other than the first abraxasinas post (that hellish quoted passage from some book)...I haven't seen evidence of this...but then I have sort of watched the abraxasinas and Thuban thing from a distance...because I didn't wish to get sucked into something which I wasn't spiritually, emotionally, and intellectually prepared to deal with. I've just recently started looking at it more closely. Now...I am unable to do so...and my work toward that end has been removed...BY WHOM? WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE? ARE THEY PEOPLE? Answers Please.



Gee don't have a heart attack over it. It is not who you think sweets, it is one person who obviously has an ego which he thinks is bigger than everyone elses on the planet..........................Wrong.

When I get worried then you should be concerned and I am not worried okay, I am just ****** because this person is using single mods to plan and get rid of people. Naughty.

[Linda]

...and my work toward that end has been removed...BY WHOM?
WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE?
ARE THEY PEOPLE?
Answers Please.

Good questions!
Will we get the answers?

Everybody is now watching and waiting.

[Linda]

Linda, i guess, i won't be able to tease you anymore :(

Tease me anymore? :mfr_lol: Whatever do you mean? :original:

[Nebula9D]

I repost these questions again...... GaiaLove, Can you please provide some answers.

Someone said i smelled a rat about all this! I agree. First of not to jump to conclusions and make judgment about anything out of respect of all, lets do some reasoning here:

1. Allegedly, there were complaints, fine. Ok, was there a thorough investigation of said complaints, before taking action?
2. Why were all the Thuban threads pulled down, without prior notice of pending issues?
3. Could someone please show us the proof within the Thuban threads that support said accusations?
4. And did this warrant pulling all of the Thuban material down?
5. Please help us make sense of this!

[Linda]

I said this on another thread.

Project Camelot / Avalon, including the mod team, has been compromised.

The whole deal is over.

This spoken from a long time supporter. I can see it happening and it was inevitable.

It breaks my heart.

Yes, it's pretty sad all right. Everyone is talking about it.
Lots going on in the background for sure.

[Kikine]

lol...
I think you should all stay calm. Maybe its not what you think eh? Lets just wait a bit.. :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

I would like to get Anchor's take on all of this. Where are you Anchor? You'd have to understand my theories on all of this...to understand why I am almost to the point of committing myself into the local nut-house. Take a look at my threads on Amen Ra http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 and Gizeh Intelligence http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence ...or just look at the 'Sirius Issues' thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17016&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I think we are all playing with fire...but that it is very necessary to do so...and not just a curiosity or something of a rebellious nature.

WHERE WILL WE MEET IF THIS SITE IS COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN? Might http://www.veritasshow.com/ be one possibility? Might I suggest that everyone and everything is compromised everywhere...and that it's probably wise to trust no one? I know I'm paranoid...but that doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Myplanet2]

Good questions!
Will we get the answers?

Everybody is now watching and waiting.

Oh, I'm completely certain it's not some evil force taking anything over. In fact it's not even bad people meaning to do bad things. It's people who have simply ignored the call to take advantage of a rapidly shrinking window of opportunity to DO THEIR PROCESSING WORK, and the stress is taking it's toll. If they think it gets easier from here, I've got some terrible news. The next wave is several times as intense.

You can't legislate a mirror out of existence. Look at what became triggered within yourselves and do something about it. The solution is not to be found anywhere else.

[truthseekerdan]

Apparently many members are getting "disciplined" for no real reason...:zip:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=248221&postcount=10

:thumbdown:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

This is not the case.

Richard this is wrong and you know it

Who complained?

How many of us women talk to Abraxas and none that I know have been harassed

Who was it? We have the right to know or is it only for your information?

[Nebula9D]

lol...
I think you should all stay calm. Maybe its not what you think eh? Lets just wait a bit.. :original:


Kikine, we are calm alright. We just need some answers. Most ppl like me feel like our P-Avalon free will was violated!

[truthseekerdan]

Apparently many members are getting "disciplined" for no real reason...:zip:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=248221&postcount=10

:thumbdown:

Well, maybe because they mention the word "dragon"? :lightsabre:

[mkspllmn]

Yes, it's pretty sad all right. Everyone is talking about it.
Lots going on in the background for sure.

The site is supposed to be about truth and openness. But what we see is secrecy and oppression.

One of the founders, Kerry Lynn Cassidy, is deliberately sabotaging the project. People have been making excuses for her but now the chickens have come home to roost.

I am beginning to think the whole thing was a farce to begin with like everything else on this stinking planet.

[mkspllmn]

I think Project Camelot was Illuminati grown from the very beginning.

[orthodoxymoron]

At this point...I'm assuming that this site has been compromised and taken over. :sad: I do think things are going to get a lot worse on this miserable planet...before they get better...if they ever get better. :tears: Why does everything have to be so insane...and so damn hard? :shocked:

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[mkspllmn]

At this point...I'm assuming that this site has been compromised and taken over. :sad: I do think things are going to get a lot worse on this miserable planet...before they get better...if they ever get better. :tears: Why does everything have to be so insane...and so damn hard? :shocked:


I feel your pain brotha.

[Boober]

lol this is the funniest thread i have ever read. Thanks for this.

[mkspllmn]

lol this is the funniest thread i have ever read. Thanks for this.

Tell us why you think its funny, boobie.

[Myplanet2]

Richard this is wrong and you know it

Who complained?

How many of us women talk to Abraxas and none that I know have been harassed

Who was it? We have the right to know or is it only for your information?

He's not going to be able to go there. The forum becomes liable if the complainants are not protected. About the only think you can do at this point, is open a thread where you describe your experiences within the social group and go into the types of subject material being explored there, and what it has meant to you.

I can see how people with certain sensitivities might become uncomfortable by the discussion there, because of being unable to understand that it was a spiritual discussion, couched in certain charged archetypes. If you use the word sexual or erotic to describe a spiritual experience, then it can be misconstrued by someone not ready to look at the archetypes in that context.

Perhaps if you share your experiences from the social group, and the complainants read about it, they may see how they thought one thing was going on, while it was something else. Or maybe not. Or maybe it wasn't something else. None of us know what was conveyed in private message unless they were published on the forum here, which is a bannable offence btw.

anyway, it's a long shot, but if they recant and say they may have misunderstood after reading your accounts of your experiences, then there is no longer any reason for the "final Thuban thread" to remain final. It's already risen from the dead once.

See, I can see both viewpoints. I can read archetypes so I could see the dual nature of Abrax's descriptions and language use, but I can also see how those words would look to someone with certain sensitivities or predispositions because of life experiences or some lessons as yet incomplete.

About the only thing I'm reading in all of this which really gets under my skin, is the possibility that someone found a confused ear and chattered away, not to necessarily help her, but to harm someone else. That would be an unfortunate thing to discover.

[orthodoxymoron]

The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

<H5><H5>Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

</H5>Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
</H5>

The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

To Be Advised!

AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Boober]

because someone got banned on a forum and now its the cause of the Illumanti , sorry thats funny, no one knows what he said to get him banned. Do you?

[GaiaLove]

Someone said i smelled a rat about all this! I agree. First of not to jump to conclusions and make judgment about anything out of respect of all, lets do some reasoning here:

1. Allegedly, there were complaints, fine. Ok, was there a thorough investigation of said complaints, before taking action?
2. Why were all the Thuban threads pulled down, without prior notice of pending issues?
3. Could someone please show us the proof within the Thuban threads that support said accusations?
4. And did this warrant pulling all of the Thuban material down?
5. Please help us make sense of this!

1: Yes by every mod online at the time

2: For review, these claims need to be substantiated or otherwise for PA's preotection and that of the members.

3: the proof is being gathered but don't expect to see it posted publicly any time soon.

4: Yes it absolutely did. However I am fairly certain most of all the threads and posts will be returned to public view in the near future.

5: Sense? i hope to find some as well, this isn't what I signed up for. I am much happier to work behind the scenes making the forum serve us better, running the chat server and of course research and sharing of information. This is not how I wanted to spend my Saturday. I am sure in the coming days/weeks more information will be forthcoming on this matter. Hopefully i will be back to design and maintenance by then.

Love

[mkspllmn]

1: Yes by every mod online at the time

this isn't what I signed up for.

Love


I dont see any mods backing you up.

If its not what you signed up for then why dont you just go home and leave the rest of us alone!

Dont you get it? This kind of indiscriminate purging hangs a dark cloud of oppression over all members. Its a threat. An act of terror.

The whole thing was done in secrete and, just like 911, the evidence is hidden away.

I knew there was a mole.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Richard.

[Boober]

i feel like I am at elementary school, none of you know what was said for the banning , quit assuming the worst. but if you want to know I heard this was a plan from Anu, he cloned this new alien grey with human crystal child blood, who developed the initial thuban material which was miss translated and then the CIA had to get invloved thus they brought the heat down on kerry and bill, and thats why he got banned either that or it was because of sexual harrasment. oh no this forum is out of hand, help 2012 is real! its here! there here on avalon! there gonna ban us all! runnnnnnnn! run for your life!

[UncleJohn]

i feel like I am at elementary school, none of you know what was said for the banning , quit assuming the worst. but if you want to know I heard this was a plan from Anu, he cloned this new alien grey with human crystal child blood, who developed the initial thuban material which was miss translated and then the CIA had to get invloved thus they brought the heat down on kerry and bill, and thats why he got banned either that or it was because of sexual harrasment. oh no this forum is out of hand, help 2012 is real! its here! there here on avalon! there gonna ban us all! runnnnnnnn! run for your life!

Boober, even if this forum goes away, I want to laugh at your comments forever.

Till we meet again.

[Ross H]

I dont see any mods backing you up.

If its not what you signed up for then why dont you just go home and leave the rest of us alone!

Dont you get it? This kind of indiscriminate purging hangs a dark cloud of oppression over all members. Its a threat. An act of terror.

The whole thing was done in secrete and, just like 911, the evidence is hidden away.

I knew there was a mole.

You are way of base. I have supported the mod team in these decisions.

Those who know me as a mod and as a person, know my decisions are based on neutrality and a balanced approach. As we work through this, more will become avaliable.

[Nebula9D]

Someone said i smelled a rat about all this! I agree. First of not to jump to conclusions and make judgment about anything out of respect of all, lets do some reasoning here:

1. Allegedly, there were complaints, fine. Ok, was there a thorough investigation of said complaints, before taking action?
2. Why were all the Thuban threads pulled down, without prior notice of pending issues?
3. Could someone please show us the proof within the Thuban threads that support said accusations?
4. And did this warrant pulling all of the Thuban material down?
5. Please help us make sense of this!


1: Yes by every mod online at the time

2: For review, these claims need to be substantiated or otherwise for PA's preotection and that of the members.

3: the proof is being gathered but don't expect to see it posted publicly any time soon.

4: Yes it absolutely did. However I am fairly certain most of all the threads and posts will be returned to public view in the near future.

5: Sense? i hope to find some as well, this isn't what I signed up for. I am much happier to work behind the scenes making the forum serve us better, running the chat server and of course research and sharing of information. This is not how I wanted to spend my Saturday. I am sure in the coming days/weeks more information will be forthcoming on this matter. Hopefully i will be back to design and maintenance by then.

Love


Thanks for the reply GaiaLove. This is a beginning, and I hope that in all fairness you speak the truth as everyone here is witness to this events. Much light and love to you.

Nebula

[Gnosis5]

Oh, I'm completely certain it's not some evil force taking anything over. In fact it's not even bad people meaning to do bad things. It's people who have simply ignored the call to take advantage of a rapidly shrinking window of opportunity to DO THEIR PROCESSING WORK, and the stress is taking it's toll. If they think it gets easier from here, I've got some terrible news. The next wave is several times as intense.

You can't legislate a mirror out of existence. Look at what became triggered within yourselves and do something about it. The solution is not to be found anywhere else.

Harsh but true. I used to do my clearing 3 days a week and now do it almost every day. The more I see the more I realize I need to keep ahead of what i'm seeing.

What is it about the Thuban thread that was valuable and restimulative at the same time?

[mkspllmn]

You are way of base. I have supported the mod team in these decisions.

Those who know me as a mod and as a person, know my decisions are based on neutrality and a balanced approach. As we work through this, more will become avaliable.

I want to hear from Abraxas.

He should be allowed to defend himself in public and face his accusers.

I just cant take your word for it anymore.

Its not just about this. Its about the integrity of Project Camelot / Avalon as a whole.

[Ross H]

I want to hear from Abraxas.

He should be allowed to defend himself in public and face his accusers.

I just cant take your word for it anymore.

Its not just about this. Its about the integrity of Project Camelot / Avalon as a whole.


All I ask, is that you be patient. More will be forthcoming. This I promise.

Meanwhile...peace to you all.

[mkspllmn]

All I ask, is that you be patient. More will be forthcoming. This I promise.

Meanwhile...peace to you all.

It sounds real smooth but I just dont buy it.

[Northern Boy]

he has a website that is available from what I`m hearing


http://www.tonyb.freeyellow.com/



Its not just about this. Its about the integrity of Project Camelot / Avalon as a whole.
__________________
I have been sceptical in the past but rest assured this is no hoax here legal issues are at stake that must be considered for this forum and its members

[Boober]

Me neither mk, i want the truth !, project avalon DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!

[777 The Great Work]

Abraxas did what he came here to do.Do not be distracted.:wink2:

[Myplanet2]

Harsh but true. I used to do my clearing 3 days a week and now do it almost every day. The more I see the more I realize I need to keep ahead of what i'm seeing.

What is it about the Thuban thread that was valuable and restimulative at the same time?


I couldn't say what was valuable to anyone else. That's going to be subjective, but to me, it's greatest value was it ability to trigger or restimulate. Abraxasinas presented a lot of the ideas in Archetype form. That cuts to the identity level of work. And will conjure goal sets, and their counter goal sets, and you know how much potential electro-magnetic juice can be enlivened in those areas.

Normally, that would be considered a bit of a slap awake, but with the window of opportunity to process shrinking, I can't say it's a bad thing to dump people in their "soup" to either sink or swim. I don't like to say it, but I think many otherwise together people are going to lose it, for want of a little clearing work on their primary issues.

These buttons have to be softened, and arguably, Abraxasinas was doing the service of pushing a LOT of buttons on people. Under normal circumstances that would be a provocative activity, but under the pressures of having to unpack our baggage, this wake up call was serene compared to the ones available on the next pass of the clearing/purging wave.

Enough have now done enough of their clearing to avoid our collective consciousness pulling in extinction level catastrophies to start people waking up, but events like the Haiti, Chile, Banda aceh, and Chinese quakes are related to this energetic rebalancing, and there are other REALLY unpleasant ones waiting on the horizon, like the total economic collapse, and some ugly wars, and continued eroding of civil liberties, should we force the Law of Attraction to have to rub our noses in it before we wake up the rest of the way.

thanks for asking. I enjoyed answering, even if largely off topic for the thread.

Oh, I've had the opportunity to check into some of the AI stuff you were asking about, and it seems that yes indeed, it is a factor right now, and not insignificant. purely man made.

[Myplanet2]

Me neither mk, i want the truth !, project avalon DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!

Great. Thanks. This is supposed to be a ranting and complaining thread, and now I've got another person I have to love. You're ruining everything. Stop being funny. We're mad here. It's a mad people crossing.

[hippihillbobbi]

GaiaLove--

As a member of the "late" Thuban social group, i too thank you for giving us some specific answers (as far as can be done at this time). And thank you MyPlanet2 for trying over and over again to remind us all of the mundane "facts of life" re: the necessity for caution on the part of PA Admin. (mods?) in cases where such accusations are made--unfounded or not. (and I, like many other female members of the group, can easily attest this has certainly NOT been our experience!) IMO, the problem must be with the metaphorical, archetypal language and the ease with which it can be misunderstood .... iow ..... taken literally when it shouldn't be.

All is well, my sisters and brothers. ("This too shall pass!") :wub2:

love,
hippihillbobbi

[UncleJohn]

Great. Thanks. This is supposed to be a ranting and complaining thread, and now I've got another person I have to love. You're ruining everything. Stop being funny. We're mad here. It's a mad people crossing.

My sympathies too MP2. We keep getting a bigger circle of beings we have to love.

No our love will not fade away.

Uncle John

[Humble Janitor]

Why bother wasting any more energy on this colossal distraction called Thuban?

That's all it is. A distraction. And someone's pulling the strings, thus getting you all to follow their every action.

[Anchor]

Guys, I am not a moderator anymore - stop asking me what is going on, I don't know - I just logged in for the first time today (I have been away) and noted the situation.

AJ..

[burgundia]

Ellie breaths sigh of relief............"at last she thinks to herself an actual knight, brave and true in the form of MyPlanet2".

Okay I know how this particular person works behind the scenes who is taking down Abrax and throwing a lot of sticky stuff his way and to him I say

I am watching you and GaiaLove I know it was not your decision, your just another innocent pawn being used here. Ya poor thing.

Ellie gettin on horse now to go and cool off. :wink2:

Ellie, i know what you mean..:wink2:
*burgundia winks to ellie and continues to read the posts*:lmfao:

[Spregovori]

edited....

to keep the fires down until more is known

[morguana]

You are way of base. I have supported the mod team in these decisions.

Those who know me as a mod and as a person, know my decisions are based on neutrality and a balanced approach. As we work through this, more will become avaliable.

having just woken up and looking at all that has occured i have to say that i agree with ross,

all my love to you
m x

[Jonah]

1: Yes by every mod online at the time
[B]o

Sorry richard... but this isnt true... i was online when the info of harassment was being discussed... and the details were not shared with me.. although i did inquire.... convenient that uj and I were not online when this went down...

It was smooth... but sloppy... too many trails... and now avalon will suffer.. looks like the same ol' gang to me..

[Aztar]

Stay tuned for a preview of next weeks episode of Mod Wars.

Has Bill Ryan been contacted about all this?
Whats his take?
Does this affect Avalon 2.0?

[Spregovori]

Does this affect Avalon 2.0?

Indeed it does

[raulduke]

project avalon DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!
:lol3:

Hmmm, u don't quite look the Cruise type. Point taken though, we should really try to lighten up a bit here. This too shall pass.

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(i love Rube Goldberg machines.)



No our love will not fade away.


:original:

bum bum bum, ba dum dum .....bum bum bum, ba dum dum ......"I wanna tell ya how it's gonna be...." :wub2:

[Jonah]

just trying to keep everyone honest... richard knows I lub him

[Luminari]

I'm going to break from protocol here. Normal protocol is that moderator discussion are kept private.

Things are seriously wrong with the moderation on this forum at the current time.

I have tried to discuss this with others in management but have only been able to reach a few of them and I don't believe those I'm talking to are real.

Hold on, we will get this straighten out, but it might take weeks.

Uncle John

I agree John.. We will get things straightened out soon.

[SABINA]

hi all
I waas feeling sick and was not on my pc. this morning Istarted my pc what a desaster.
Finally you are winning. we don´t have anymore protection from Kerry!
really now Iam afraid to post because Iwill get banned because Ipost somethink
someboddy don´t like!

[Jonah]

hi all
I waas feeling sick and was not on my pc. this morning Istarted my pc what a desaster.
Finally you are winning. we don´t have anymore protection from Kerry!
really now Iam afraid to post because Iwill get banned because Ipost somethink
someboddy don´t like!

Precious SABINA,

Anything you want to say...you just go right ahead and say it... worry about the reactions later... we got ur back!

[Christo888]

Guys, I am not a moderator anymore - stop asking me what is going on, I don't know - I just logged in for the first time today (I have been away) and noted the situation.

AJ..

Anchor why are you not a moderator anymore?

[Jonah]

Anchor why are you not a moderator anymore?

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20512

[morguana]

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something light to make you all smile, and yes i really miss anchor in his past mod role :tears: but hes still here and for this i am pleased

love to you my fellow avalonians

m xxx

[no caste]

Is this an 18+ website?? If there was an offensive post in a thread, usually most normal people just push the button. I've done it myself a few times. On other forums, it's been pushed on me. I don't really care.

Here, parents appear to help us out. *no caste kicks cat* F.U., library burners!! Eat ****. I didn't read much of the thread. It's one stupid ban after another, by one stupid person after another. If you can't take the heat of what.... the devil????.... get off and read Rumpelstiltskin, before bedtime.

[Aztar]

something light to make you all smile, and yes i really miss anchor in his past mod role :tears: but hes still here and for this i am pleased

love to you my fellow avalonians

m xxx

haha that was awesome and symbolic as well.

Reminded me of this :
ZJB5Rqc1m0Y

if you doubt a Human voice can do this btw watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgo0CDL6bd0


Anyway back on topic.

Really looking forward to Bill's answer's to these most recent events, considering the mods are fighting in public and all.
Perhaps disagreeing is a better term:lightsabre:

Also what it means for Avalon 2.0

[eMonkey]

the very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society - JFK

Just though I might also add that moderator Secrecy is a convenient excuse to hide the truth of this matter.

From what I read here, I also do not buy into the moderators reasons for banning. This place is done for and 2.0 too if this is not resolved swiftly with real reasons and not from the few self important mods.

I joined this forum to get and express many different viewpoints and instead I find that we are apparently not allowed any that matters.. (not that the threads involved mattered to me - but it mattered for someone). Does this also not sound familiar with what is currently happening in the taxing/controlling the internet debate? Are we so stupid or do we pose so much of a threat that we have to be nannied or controlled here too?

Of course, these are only my thoughts and no answer is required to my questions. It is something you should consider for yourself.

Blessings

[morguana]

aztar :wink2: thx for that :original:
love m x

[rhythm]

QWwukZyXKig
No disrespect intended here
but carry on up the forum
move it forward :lol3:

[morguana]

QWwukZyXKig
No disrespect intended here
but carry on up the forum
move it forward :lol3:

:roll1::roll1::roll1:
as always rhythm, your sparkley presence is felt, thank you
love m x

[burgundia]

I do not think we are going to fall for any kind of distractions...we have learned a lot lately...so.....we are moving on....until another episode of "soap opera" happens...:lmfao:

[lightblue]

so many on this thread confuse their love of INTRIGUE for their love of truth..
very low frequency and counterproductive..

nice weekend everyone l:




---------------------------

[Céline]

Chaos is never easy...

but..

Not ONE word in this thread or anywhere for the ones who claim to be hurt..

Of course the victims MUST be lying..cuz you all dont get a chance to rip them apart with your questions.


all i know is i wanted to ..heal.

and now i am ..not.

sigh...

my heart goes out to you, my arms off solance and warmth, know that the words said here by these members have nothing to do with your pain..

how utterly shameful all you see is lies and deception...i know avalonians have more heart then this

unbelievable... not ONE word of compassion or of support..


Come on everyone, get up on thaat soap box..scream your words...UNFAIR ...LIES....FREE SPEECH

what about..

Are you ok? Can we help?

honestly this whole thing has made me sick..

Avalonians..FIND YOUR HEART!

someone close by might need it...




MP2, in his way is the ONLY one to offer balance and clarity...i thank you..

What would abrax tell you to do?

[Spregovori]

Can this be considered as a funny and inspiring video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8FX1jOEyuc

go to 360p if it loads slowly

[Stardustaquarion]

so many on this thread confuse their love of INTRIGUE for their love of truth..
very low frequency and counterproductive..

nice weekend everyone l:




---------------------------

Agree with you

And I also agree with Celine. There were many people hurt by Abrax but they don't count apparently
Love

[no caste]

Agree with you

And I also agree with Celine. There were many people hurt by Abrax but they don't count apparently
Love

If so, wasn't participation in that thread voluntary? Is there not a report abuse button?

[Céline]

If so, wasn't participation in that thread voluntary? Is there not a report abuse button?

Voluntary? by whom? us? yes..no one here was forced to read a thread.

yes there is an abuse button..
what is your point?

[Stardustaquarion]

If so, wasn't participation in that thread voluntary? Is there not a report abuse button?

Yeah indeed, which is why many left and decided to ignore it, but does not take away the fact that there was significant unruly behaviour and also talk about Tantra and other heavily sexual orientated subjects

Don't get me wrong, it is nothing to do with me, I took it in the chin and moved on

But I feel we don't have any right to say anything, each time I express my opinion, to which I am supposedly entitled, an Abrax defender comes with a ton of bricks

So Abrax has the right to free speach, how about the rest of the forum?

How about the people that was ofended and hurt by Abrax?

Abrax has his own website, why harras people here

Love, peace, compassion

[lightblue]

so many on this thread confuse their love of INTRIGUE for their love of truth..
very low frequency and counterproductive..

nice weekend everyone l:




---------------------------



plus: the right to free speech does not assume the right to USURP the webspace for selfindulgent chit chat of the "initiated" few.

may i suggest - the people on this forum able to dissect and trash thuban's pseudo science, i bet, did not feel it's worth their time and effort...thuban initiates's pleasure of remaining "intact" was far greater than anyone else's would have been for tearing some of their postulates to pieces...

the content was loughable with its use of ancient languages...for one.. is where, for a second or two, i felt provoked to join in the discussion, but then, my better self new better ...why miss out on truly interesting posts in the process..tedious and unproductive all that...the list of the awkward and or incorrect/incoherent use was endless..the posters loved cut an paste facility above all..

best wishes l

[SABINA]

ican´t understand you celine you must be satisfacted finally abraxinas is banned now you got what you wanted and still you are speaking about love
haha ha

[Stardustaquarion]

Lightblue, yeah, in the Cult thread we discused that and Thuban was a cult from the begining. Many people that were not in the forum appeared out of no where and those were sometimes the biggest defensors of the thread. If anyone intended a take over....well

And for those that want to trash me for saying as it is don't bother, Abrax himself said openly and publicly that first "we have to create the cult of the dragon" his words not mine

I remember Anchor saying also that this may not be the best place for that but can not remember the exact words

It is time to let it rest people, who cares what happens with Abrax thread, we are here as the ground crew to discuss things that are relevant to the human race, to find surviving strategies for the harsh times ahead. Abrax was an intended distraction and still is

Appart from that there seems to be plenty of "official" infiltration one only has to read some posts to realize that their intention is not to share and grow but to harass people. Best strategy ignore them

Love to all, lets focus on the positive things we can achieve together regardless of what we believe

[Céline]

ican´t understand you celine you must be satisfacted finally abraxinas is banned now you got what you wanted and still you are speaking about love
haha ha

you dont know what you are talking about...

satisfied???

you really dont know me well do you,..

thats the problem here..people talk about others like you know them

you are way out of line sabina

[lightblue]

Lightblue, yeah, in the Cult thread we discused that and Thuban was a cult from the begining. Many people that were not in the forum appeared out of no where and those were sometimes the biggest defensors of the thread. If anyone intended a take over....well

And for those that want to trash me for saying as it is don't bother, Abrax himself said openly and publicly that first "we have to create the cult of the dragon" his words not mine

I remember Anchor saying also that this may not be the best place for that but can not remember the exact words

It is time to let it rest people, who cares what happens with Abrax thread, we are here as the ground crew to discuss things that are relevant to the human race, to find surviving strategies for the harsh times ahead. Abrax was an intended distraction and still is

Appart from that there seems to be plenty of "official" infiltration one only has to read some posts to realize that their intention is not to share and grow but to harass people. Best strategy ignore them

Love to all, lets focus on the positive things we can achieve together regardless of what we believe

internet is a very big place for everyone..abrax may consider starting his own blog elsewhere..his following may chose to follow..

best l

[SABINA]

well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...

[Stardustaquarion]

well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...

Sabina I think you are out of order, I am not the kind that hits the moderator button but you are doing unfunded accusations and insinuating things that are not 100 pct accurated

We have the right to disagree....get it...this is Avalon not Thubanon ok

Peace, understanding, compassion

[Céline]

well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...

You know this for a fact do you??

you are being stupid..

politics you dont care? liar..look at your comments...they include political connentations
how do you know he hurt no one?

none of us know anything...
but obviously you only have love for a certain few

[Steven]

I was not a supporter of the Thuban material, but Abraxassinas was always kind. And I personally respected his thread and felt the freedom to ask questions and say my opinion about it. What came after was a storm in a glass of water. A distraction.

Now, Abraxassinas is banned. If the reason given are true, and I believe Gaia Love, then it is again a storm in a glass of water. He didn't respected the rules of the forum if he sent sexual harassment to some members. Now, do I need proves, not personally, but some may need it to believe Gaia Love.

Trust in the moderators team is endangered I see. It is sad, because I admire all of them for what they do, including all the ex-moderators.

Namaste, Steven

[SABINA]

iam not stupid iam not stupisd you are offending me

[Céline]

you are OFFENSIVE

[Céline]

iam not stupid iam not stupisd you are offending me

i said you are BEING stupid..not that you are stupid..there is a difference

[SABINA]

hahaha

[gscraig]

Good Morning everyone,

I was reluctant to post, but I'm hoping I can add something of value here.

There's a lot going on in our world, yet alone a forum such as Project Avalon. Based on most of the responses I've read, some of us are reacting in a way that makes some on this planet think we should and need to be controlled. We have no power when we are kicking, screaming, spitting, cursing, and calling names. I do not mean to offend anyone with that description of behaviors, but it is similar to villagers holding pitchforks at an assembly.

Create what it is you want to see here.
The best approach moving forward is to really put in place what "we" as forum members wish to see. Implementing such power simply requires us to establish "Forum Member Guidelines", and not just those handed down to you to be adhered to. We have to set the table that we prefer to eat dinner at....That is using your power.

This will put in place specific processes and procedures we as a community wish to see before or immediately following any certain action. This will go beyond a Thuban or any thread, but can be effective in flushing out all accountability when such forum established guidelines are not followed. Everyone including the moderators and Bill himself can contribute to this rebirth. It seems the time is ripe for rebooting Avalon's intentions' no?
Take control of your site, if those whom created or pay for it are sincere about what this forum represents, they will embrace the effort. If not, then that may be revealing in itself. Even then, we have other options ranging from offering to pay half of the cost for this forum and become owners, to creating our own very simiar site/forum to this one.

Use your power, and ultimately if you cannot have some level of control here, then use your power by disengaging from this site collectively. Camelot and Avalon stands because of you, despite it's role in waking you up. That will speak volumes to anyone whom do not have your best interest at heart. Action always speaks louder than words.

Best Regards,
gscraig

[Myplanet2]

If so, wasn't participation in that thread voluntary? Is there not a report abuse button?

Exactly! It's like there was a wooden mallet booth instead of a kissing booth at the fair. If you line up at the wooden mallet booth, what's the sense in yelling "hey...he hit me on the head"?

[Stardustaquarion]

gscraig

hear, hear! :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

[Fredkc]

Well said gscraig. I particularly liked this part.

Take control of your site, if those whom created or pay for it are sincere about what this forum represents, they will embrace the effort. If not, then that may be revealing in itself. Even then, we have other options ranging from offering to pay half of the cost for this forum and become owners, to creating our own very simiar site/forum to this one.

That and the fact this is the last thing I want to post about...

[gita]

Poor Sean has been kept quite busy lately on Avalon trying to keep the peace. This time he's brought reinforcement!:lmfao:

http://armagideon-time.com/pics/sczdwtf.jpg

Borat will shoe you!

http://www.tvgasm.com/newsgasm/borat.jpg

Now play nice. x:mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

this is a good eXample
perhaps of the NEW world
some of us, might be heading into

guilty without the opportunity to prove one self innocent

shameful, and, shame full

it appears to us,
that, many men here,
are from the 'old schools'
that believe, and that think
it is their, responsibility to protect 'the women'

we hate to say this, but, the 'men' not only in this 'time cycle'
of the past 50 years, but, of all time-lines of almost the
last 13,000 years have done that

and, their idea of protecting women, is to put them down
and, to keep them down

in the best recorded / or historial records
looking over the past 2000 approx years
the men, have NOT done a very good job of that

even the dalai lama, has recently spoken,
that a lama, might reincarnate within a 'female' body
as, currently there is, incarnate
many, who are, those original sparks
of 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 of 144,000
and, they are currently incarnate, in both, female/and, male forms

we find, that this is more of an issue
of some, who are frustrated, and, who are mad
that abraxas/tony & his threads
stole away much of their support/and, their thunder

it is important to pay great attention,
to what is going on,
to the mirrors, that are currently being presented,
to each, and, to everyone of us

so, very easy, to speak ill,
of others, however, it will NOT be so easy to furnish proof
of these accusations ~ as, they do NOT eXist
however - perhaps, this is proof, of the type of world
we are conditioned to 'just accept'

many here, do NOT understand,
light encoding, and/or, do they understand,
you do NOT get into the future,
by having yourself planted in the past,
you must process the past, so, it is completely/and, totally reframed
you must release, and, forgive, and, let go,
of all, that has impeded your own growth,
and, move into a state, where there are NO limits

it is with great sadness, that, we see,
that currently, the 'real' return to 'the round'
is, just NOT occurring here ~ there is NO real proof
eXcept the ignorance of men,
and, the ignorance of women,
who believe, they know best what is best
for each, and, for everyone of us
which goes against, the ability
for each, and, for everyone of us
to eXercise, our own rights of free-will

in the past, this has gotten many of us, buried alive
and/or carted us off, to live out, the rest of our days in silence
and/or taken away, the important knowledge,
that we could have riSen, out of the traps, of the past

the sooner, people realise, that NOT one person
will have within them, all the seeds of greatness
and, that, we might learn to eXchange
with all our brothers/and, all our sisters
perhaps, things, will alter/change and shift
as, it currently, is,
this is NOTHING more, than a bunch of heresay,
and, has NOT, in our opinion,
been done, with the 'real' heart and, the 'real' soul
of avalon, and, of camelot !!!

We bid you all adieu !!!

[Myplanet2]

The afraid are always trying to keep reigns on and bars around those who aren't.

The fearless aren't interested in reigns or bars.

The afraid can just stay at home and watch bambi, instead of mixing it up with people who have work to do, and interesting interactions to undertake.

This is almost like insurance fraud. Run out in the street in front of a car, and then yell look what he just did to me! Ouch my neck! won't anybody help me? I'm wounded!!

When really, the intent was to remove what "someone" perceived as a dangerous driver, from "Their" perception. If you're afraid, then someone moving speedily through traffic is a dangerous driver. But maybe they are very bright and aware of their surroundings and working on something time sensitive, and no threat or danger to anyone.

But you have to keep up the limp afterwards to make a good show of it.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

To whom it may concern!

Dear Friends of the New Avalon!
Many efforts are under way to REFORM Noah's Ark on a different server.
This website here, I consider insufficient to support a forum, such as WE are accustomed to.
I am well and hope all of you are too. Do not worry; WE will gain in strength because of OUR exile. The Thuban memeplex is changing from a snowflake into a snowball and with help of OUR common friends will become an avalanche to sweep the crapolas of the human ignorance into oblivion.
True Love and FREEDOM shall rule on the New Starplanet Serpentina=IN A SERPENT, the Serpent of OUR Beloved Master Temple/templar.

Peace of Mind and the Love from the DragonHeart is with you all - you can Feel it should you so choose.
Please email me personally on omniphysics@cosmosdawn.net to exchange private addresses, if you not have done so as yet.

Love to All and Thank You from the Logos, reflected and shared by your brother

John Paul Anthony

Thank You:
TruthWillSetUFree; Spregovori; Julissa; Bobbi; Sabina; Uncle John; Nebula9; Susan;

[Spregovori]

Gita (nice eye) as of new...your post might be considered inappropriate..i mean....oh my...i am so "offended" by borat/bruno or whatever he is in this role....showing so much of his skin.... and they way he shows it....just "see" the underlying meaning...i am sure you are "aware" enough to notice the truth behind that picture.....ect ect etc the subtle energies coming from it are making me experience unwanted feelings....it should be removed and this whole thread also...including half of the forum...and all members in this thread since they might have been contaminated

:)

[TruthWillSetUFree]

this is a good eXample
perhaps of the NEW world
some of us, might be heading into

guilty without the opportunity to prove one self innocent

shameful, and, shame full

it appears to us,
that, many men here,
are from the 'old schools'
that believe, and that think
it is their, responsibility to protect 'the women'

we hate to say this, but, the 'men' not only in this 'time cycle'
of the past 50 years, but, of all time-lines of almost the
last 13,000 years have done that

and, their idea of protecting women, is to put them down
and, to keep them down

in the best recorded / or historial records
looking over the past 2000 approx years
the men, have NOT done a very good job of that

even the dalai lama, has recently spoken,
that a lama, might reincarnate within a 'female' body
as, currently there is, incarnate
many, who are, those original sparks
of 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 of 144,000
and, they are currently incarnate, in both, female/and, male forms

we find, that this is more of an issue
of some, who are frustrated, and, who are mad
that abraxas/tony & his threads
stole away much of their support/and, their thunder

it is important to pay great attention,
to what is going on,
to the mirrors, that are currently being presented,
to each, and, to everyone of us

so, very easy, to speak ill,
of others, however, it will NOT be so easy to furnish proof
of these accusations ~ as, they do NOT eXist
however - perhaps, this is proof, of the type of world
we are conditioned to 'just accept'

many here, do NOT understand,
light encoding, and/or, do they understand,
you do NOT get into the future,
by having yourself planted in the past,
you must process the past, so, it is completely/and, totally reframed
you must release, and, forgive, and, let go,
of all, that has impeded your own growth,
and, move into a state, where there are NO limits

it is with great sadness, that, we see,
that currently, the 'real' return to 'the round'
is, just NOT occurring here ~ there is NO real proof
eXcept the ignorance of men,
and, the ignorance of women,
who believe, they know best what is best
for each, and, for everyone of us
which goes against, the ability
for each, and, for everyone of us
to eXercise, our own rights of free-will

in the past, this has gotten many of us, buried alive
and/or carted us off, to live out, the rest of our days in silence
and/or taken away, the important knowledge,
that we could have riSen, out of the traps, of the past

the sooner, people realise, that NOT one person
will have within them, all the seeds of greatness
and, that, we might learn to eXchange
with all our brothers/and, all our sisters
perhaps, things, will alter/change and shift
as, it currently, is,
this is NOTHING more, than a bunch of heresay,
and, has NOT, in our opinion,
been done, with the 'real' heart and, the 'real' soul
of avalon, and, of camelot !!!

We bid you all adieu !!!


Thank you Susan!

You have my heart:wub2:

MEC

[THE eXchanger]

girls, we could look like that ~ if we put on a sports jock :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

did you get copies of the other six of seven threads ???

[gita]

Gita (nice eye) as of new...your post might be considered inappropriate..i mean....oh my...i am so "offended" by borat/bruno or whatever he is in this role....showing so much of his skin.... and they way he shows it....just "see" the underlying meaning...i am sure you are "aware" enough to notice the truth behind that picture.....ect ect etc the subtle energies coming from it are making me experience unwanted feelings....it should be removed and this whole thread also...including half of the forum...and all members in this thread since they might have been contaminated

:)

Just be thankful he's not bending over - I am!:naughty:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

from a friend


Thank you for your clarity of the WORD

sister of Jesus

Nostradamus anagram

SUSAN=NASUS=(NA)SUS=(14+1)SUS=(10+5)SUS=(JE)SUS




Love...

[Stardustaquarion]

from a friend


Thank you for your clarity of the WORD

sister of Jesus

SUSAN=NASUS=(NA)SUS=(14+1)SUS=(10+5)SUS=(JE)SUS




Love...

Well, well a new mesiah called Susan, the exchanger, good luck and hope your pilgrimages takes you to Alpha Draconis

I personally prefer Earth

[THE eXchanger]

sometimes, truth, is stranger, than fiction ;)

[Stardustaquarion]

To THE Exchanger, if you were replying to me can not see your posts cos I banned you :naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

Good luck so long fare well

[THE eXchanger]

personally, we believe
the unifed, and, the united aspects
of a divine mother, and, divine father
pacha mama, and, pacha camac
combines, to become
The Pacha iNTi in all

besides, what would be so bad,
as, being a 'real' sister, or a 'real' brother of jesus ?
isn't that what we all are ?

[THE eXchanger]

To THE Exchanger, if you were replying to me can not see your posts cos I banned you :naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

Good luck so long fare well

people who need to publically announce
their inability to see the words,
speak volumes by 'their' posts

We do NOT need to reply to anyone in the printed word
there are communications/and, there are words,
so, much more powerful than ones,
that need to print themselves

[gita]

That's it - I'm bringing in the big guns now.

http://gayestever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/village_people.jpg

And their clones. :lightsabre:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/112323662_9cc1078f67.jpg

[Stardustaquarion]

Me too

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/orbs.jpg

[Spregovori]

Just be thankful he's not bending over - I am!:naughty:

Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...

[Myplanet2]

Me too

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/orbs.jpg

Is that straw on the ground? is that in a barn? Maybe you're bringing in goat and cow spirits?

[Magamud]

To create a field of possibility to evolve our species and free the human race was the experiment. The cosmic alchemy has sifted this heavy density of our unprocessed fears to project the appropriate emotional dialectic and the atmosphere changes to that of old and much known. Unfortunately we are not physically together to Tai Chi these projections and give them the detailed attention of love it needs to grow. In this type of forum information/energy moves at hyperspace. Until this insight is known critical mass will be thwarted. But in the Dark Age who am i to complain for some bread and water in a proposed round table. Tis bittersweet but I success at our movement to the event horizon. I shall take my leave to the Forest and keep attuned to things in the making.

Be Well
Magamud

[BROOK]

well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...

How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?

Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.

The forum guidelines state

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
Discussions that promote illicit drugs, pornography, foul language, violence, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, personal insults, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. Posts that violate these guidelines will be removed and the posters membership reviewed. IP addresses are logged.


I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.

:nono:

[Myplanet2]

Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...

Some nice tongue in cheek wisdom there, Spregovori. You're a very bright being.

[Stardustaquarion]

Myplanet2

It is not my picture but my best friends come as orbs

The Guardian Alliance representatives come as orbs too, and then de-orb I think it is excellent!

I am learning how to but so far only bi-locations but getting there soon

Love ya all:roll1:

[Stardustaquarion]

Myplanet2

After analizing the photo I can say that with two exceptions they are positive elementals from the word "element"

Those that have the ability to work with elemental command can put them to good use

Love to all

[gita]

Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...

Now now everyone, lets not lose ourselves up our own backside so far as to lose our sense of humour. :lmao:Balance is the key and humour rocks as it keeps the ego in check and helps to usher in balance. :punk:

http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/head_up_ass.jpg

[Myplanet2]

Myplanet2

After analizing the photo I can say that with two exceptions they are positive elementals from the word "element"

Those that have the ability to work with elemental command can put them to good use

Love to all

Obviously, I was teasing, and baiting you out of ignoring. The orbs are lovely. It's so nice to have the 'company'.

[Spregovori]

Now now everyone, lets not lose ourselves up our own backside so far as to lose our sense of humour. :lmao:Balance is the key and humour rocks as it keeps the ego in check and helps to usher in balance. :punk:


In this case the problem is with the "judge"....who to decide what balance is....what is humor and what is no longer humor... what is GOOD and what is BAD

and also...you avoided to continue the subject (not the sex subject...the relevant subject of "duality") although...perhaps this is for the best...there are people here that wish to "put things under the carpet" and call it a...positive change.....

+

how does more clothes make things more acceptable?

i can still see the ass...and be careful Gita...someone might find that offensive and u can be banned

[Majorion]

I have to point out something, this is the only forum on the internet I have come across; where each and every ban is discussed on the public board.

[mntruthseeker]

If Abrax truly offended someone sexually, no one in this thread knows for certain. I find it crazy that anyone would just assume the complainer was making false claims. If he did indeed do this, I'm sure that person had proof and it wasn't just "say so".

People think they can twist the truth to fit themselfs but I'm sure that many are catching on. You put something in writing and its a no brainer. People are not stupid.

I'm all about free speech.

Abrax had spoken out on more than one occassion against people on the forum. I can't say he was nasty to me because he wasn't. But I seen his comebacks to others which took me right out of the thread. They were not very nice and could actually make someone feel uncomfortable.

Abrax's remarks may certainly offended someone here so wait for the full story before you say that isn't so.

I doubt Susan that its due to someone feeling "jealous" over the attention Abrax got. All of that attention was not positive.

All his followers now have a new site to visit and they should be happy now.

Im happy for them also.

[petem]

Un-believeable!

I rarely post but I need to make a statement concerning this circus show;

1. It is all about "intent" and "the truth".

2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.

3. Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".

4. The weak fall prey to these type of monsters.

5. His banishment was justified.

This is a great group of smart people. Let's continue disseminating pertinent information.

Love to all of you (even abraxassinas)

Pete

[Stardustaquarion]

http://tenguhouse.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341dad5553ef012876a9b375970c-800wi

[gita]

In this case the problem is with the "judge"....who to decide what balance is....what is humor and what is no longer humor... what is GOOD and what is BAD

and also...you avoided to continue the subject (not the sex subject...the relevant subject of "duality") although...perhaps this is for the best...there are people here that wish to "put things under the carpet" and call it a...positive change.....

+

how does more clothes make things more acceptable?

i can still see the ass...and be careful Gita...someone might find that offensive and u can be banned

I am the one who decides what balance and humour to me is when I feel the joy in my heart and then laugh. There is no good or bad but what works and what doesn’t work and humour works for me just fine and it revitalises the soul in these heavy times.

Oh dear Spregovori you are so young and dichotomy of life is still new to you. Don't let your ego be offended by this cos we've all been there. Wisdom will be yours in time when you can find the humour in most things and generally this comes with challenging life experiences. I am sure you’ve had many of these challenges but to find balance and intelligent humour demands much more challenges which only comes with time – and there is no rush.

Lighten up Spregovori and if you are offended (which for the life of my I can’t see how) then just press the report button and knock yourself out. It’s all part of the learning process.

Peace to you dear soul.

[Myplanet2]

Un-believeable!

I rarely post but I need to make a statement concerning this circus show;

1. It is all about "intent" and "the truth".

2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.

3. Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".

4. The weak fall prey to these type of monsters.

5. His banishment was justified.

This is a great group of smart people. Let's continue disseminating pertinent information.

Love to all of you (even abraxassinas)

Pete

Even if every other word was true, how can you justify point #5? It doesn't matter if 2 or 3 or 10 people can discern something. Why would you deny the rest the opportunity? The weak fall prey to monsters of that description, because the WANT to. Because they have BEEN such monsters in the past, and are trying on the other shoe. Because they are learning about compassion and want a close up look. Because they favour truth and honesty and want to contrast it with manipulation and deceptions, to see the full spread.

When are we going to start giving ourselves and each other some credit around here?

Abraxasinas belongs here. He belongs here because people are learning, and growing, and having their internal issues dragged out before their eyes, so they can finally confront them and do something about their stagnant conditions.

And for symmetry, Un-believable. Lol.

[truthseeker]

Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas’ social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon. However, I am not really that surprised by what has occurred, as it has been building up for sometime now. This seems to be the latest in a series of events carried out by a certain small, but very vocal, group of Avalon members and moderators that appear to have been out for Abraxas from the time (or soon after) he first posted here at Avalon. This small group appear to have taken offense at some aspect or other of Abraxas’ Thuban perspective and presentation. They have now thrown the sexually offensive card at Abraxas and used that as justification to both ban him and close all threads associated with him, including the social group.

Additionally, beyond the relatively small offended group, there are many that simply do not feel the Abraxas material resonates with them. They have simply, and quite rightly for themselves, kept away from the Thuban material, only now being drawn into it by the dispute that has been occurring between those that find value in Abraxas’ material, but not necessarily accepting it all, and those that clearly feel offended or threatened by the material (i.e. the small group just mentioned).

This small but persistent group seem to have had very little in common with one another, other than their desire to hijack Abraxas’ thread by baiting, attacking and trying undermine everything presented. None of this group, as far as I have seen, presented their arguments in a constructively critical manner. It was all emotive, irrational finger-pointing because something in Abraxas’ material offended their sensibilities. This group are only unified in their dislike of Abraxas and his material and the fact that it challenges their cherished and sincerely held beliefs and opinions. For some he seemed to represent the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the Devil or Satan, or at least one of his demonic minions. They were horrified at his use of both canonical and non canonical (not in the present day bible; e.g. The Gospel of Thomas) biblical passages, which they felt was blasphemous, considering who they believe him to be. For others he was a literal dragon, lizard or serpent (a literal negative reptilian ET, in human guise) out to delude us all so his kind can take over our planet and species. Still others were offended by his scientific writings, suggesting they were too incomprehensible and complicated. They maintained that this was part of Abraxas’ ruse to confuse any who might follow him. “Blind them with science, and they will believe anything” some of the opposition to Abraxas might cry.

What none of these offended individuals could seem to see was that their very attack on Abraxas’ and his material was but a projection of their own shadow material on to another (i.e. Abraxas). All that dark stuff that resides in each of us only remains so because we fail to shine the light of consciousness upon it. It is far easier to project outward and pretend that our inner demons are literal physical demons that take the form of Satan, the devil, dragons, serpents, lizards or reptilian ET’s. Yes, if we believe this strongly enough, these beings as astral or paraphysical (part astral and part physical) entities or in the guise of literal physical humans (New World Order) or ET’s (cold-blooded reptilians), will indeed attack and consume us or make us their slaves. This is precisely why we need to become both at one with and conscious of our own inner dragon and/or demons.

All this stuff about reptilian ET’s enslaving and consuming us is, at least in part, a metaphor for each of us being slaves to and consumed by our fear of the unknown darkness – the dragon or demons –within us. (Yes they can certainly manifest physically, as demons or ET’s, if such energies remain unconscious within us). Likewise, the mythology of dragon slaying by heroes such as St. George and St. Michael is, again at least in part, a metaphor for the rise of patriarchy and the subordination of women by the male dominator societies that have come to the fore over the last several thousand years. The dragon and the serpent represent the strong, powerful, sensuous and, dare I say it, sexual, feminine archetype that the angry, judgmental and fearful masculine archetype has tried to conquer and master. The ancient feminine power is now rising again. One form of this rising feminine power is the return of the dragon and the serpent. It is also represented by our planet, Gaia, as she begins to express her anger (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extremes of weather, etc.) at the damage that has been done to her by humanity and its patriarchal leadership.

Unfortunately, one member of either the smaller offended group or the larger disinterested group (not sure which, at this stage) is none other than one of the two co-founders of Camelot-Avalon, Bill Ryan. His opinion seems to carry a lot of weight here at Avalon at the moment. Much more so than his now ex-partner (I mean in the business sense here, though I gather that they were romantically involved in the early days of Camelot) and co-founder of Camelot-Avalon, Kerry Cassidy.

Unfortunately, Bill chose to make it very clear to the moderators, at the end of last month, that in his opinion the Thuban Q & A thread should be closed down. Bill also made it clear that he believed Abraxas was delusional. He also felt that Avalon was not the place to discuss and debate differing metaphysical frameworks. Both these opinions were highly questionable in my own humble opinion, particularly the last one regarding discussion around metaphysical frameworks. If we can not discuss such things here, where can we do so? With regard to the charge of Abraxas being delusional, I ask this. Are we not all delusional to some degree? Beliefs, opinions, judgments we all express in some form or other. These too could be considered delusional. Some say a belief in God or a higher force is delusional? What about a belief in ghosts, angels, demons, spirits or ET's?

So, Bill gave his very strongly stated opinion, leaving it up to the moderators to decide whether they close the Thuban thread or not. One of the moderators closed the thread, against his better judgment, thinking that this was what Bill had requested. He re-opened the thread a few days later, when he realised his mistake. However, the damage had been done the moment Bill expressed a very strong opinion about the Thuban material being false. This provided a lot more fuel for the little fire that the offended group had created against Abraxas. The Thuban threads days here at Avalon were surely numbered then. I will be very surprised if Bill does anything other than support the actions of the small group of moderators and members who have closed down all things Thuban and banned Abraxas. I would love to be wrong on this and will put up my hand and say so if Bill contradicts my expectation.

Bill's integrity, already in doubt for me, rests on what he does or does not do in response to this irrational and emotive witch hunt. It is my suspicion, that in good time, but probably not immediately, all things relating to channeling or downloading (watch out you Ashayana Deanne fans) from alleged higher sources will be slowly removed from Avalon, if Bill gets his way. Whilst I question many of these channeled and downloaded sources, to stop all discussion of them here at Avalon, would be, in my view, a big mistake. By the way, I do not think many, if any, of the claims made by the various whistle blowers, witnesses and contactees are any more reliable (in some cases they are less so) than most channeled sources presented here at Avalon and elsewhere. Bill gives the impression that such are more grounded in reality than the channeled sources. I see little evidence to support this contention.

Really, it appears to me, that what has gone on here at Avalon in relation to the Abraxas thread, is the latest reflection of the ongoing personal conflict between Bill and Kerry, that has become more and more evident over the past year or so. The Camelot – St. Clair, Camelot – Burisch, Camelot – Greer, Camelot – Rense, Ryan – High and Ryan – Kinsumei2 conflicts were earlier versions of this. So, their own conflict with each other is a microcosm of these other Avalon and Camelot conflicts, in my view. And yet all of those conflicts together are themselves each a microcosm of the still wider conflict we see going on across our planet. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Many here seem to feel that Bill is the more objective and rational member of the Camelot duo and that Kerry is the more intuitive and emotional one. Whilst Kerry is clearly intuitive (as is Bill, in myopinion), but also irrational and overly emotional at times, what many Avalonians fail to see is that many of Bill’s apparently objective and rational comments and statements are merely a cover for his own quite irrational and emotional processing. He is just better at hiding his irrational side than Kerry. Bill has aired his own differences publicly with Kerry, just as she has with him. The only difference is that he has done so in a more subtle manner than Kerry. Ideally, neither of them should have bought their personal issues to either Camelot or Avalon. It is fine for them to disagree publicly, but they need to do this in a rational and objective manner and simply agree to differ. However, what has occurred here at Avalon lately is far more personal than that and there is very little objectivity occurring from either party at present. It has everything to do with a personal relationship having gone sour, in my humble opinion.

So to Bill and Kerry, I say this. Get over it, move on and stop taking your personal grievances with each other, albeit unconsciously, out on the moderators and posters here at Avalon.

I shall certainly remain a member of this forum in the short term, just to watch what goes on here as this increasing conflict either gets worse or begins to resolve itself. I might even post occasionally, if I don’t get banned after this comment. Whether I remain here in the longer term depends on how things pan out. A more dictatorial approach to what is and is not allowed here, which is what Bill seems to be proposing, will most definitely turn me away from both Avalon and Camelot. Clear evidence of a more tolerant and open approach to all perspectives will keep me interested. So watch this space on that one.

However, already, though I respect Bill and Kerry as individuals and for much of what they have accomplished, I have lost faith in the integrity of both founders of Camelot-Avalon. This also leads me to question their credibility as objective observers and recorders of the information that they gather from their various sources.

Best Wishes to you all,

Truthseeker (Andrew)

[Spregovori]

I am the one who decides what balance and humour to me is ....

At the present moment i am not angry...i am bored.
Once again....i see the same story in different context.

I am young yes...but still i see (and know) people discussing *that thing* behind closed doors...most women like to talk about it...among themselves...and women are also nicely surprised if they can talk with a man/boy about it....but as long as you do not talk about it doing it with her....than becomes "inappropriate"

man do not discuss it, no room for emotion there...it is only sport, cars, bear and all the imaginable girlfriends they had....they do use the F word and such terms...mostly describing their glorious achievements...with age...than just rant and rant more...about how women are so strange and how they could never understand them...."poor" man huh? :)

i also once read a report stating that a lot of married couples (those who do not fail to drama and get a divorce) do not discuss sexuality....do not talk to each other about it...not all! but in the average (statistics) they do not . parents also refuse to talk it their children about it...they hide..make it a secret...make it forbidden....etc non sense from whatever source....and than the children do and go and look it up for themselves...with stuff like "do her in the ass" "cum dumpsters" etc...very good isnt it? very educational.... such great parents...such "great" people

mixed company (man and women) is a fun thing to observe...the topic comes up regularly like a bus...it is just that at that point we have 1st-silence...than everyone becomes the master of the metaphors...the whole subject is derailed to some cliche joke...after which...it is like nothing ever happened....

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It is there...all around you....at your every step, in your every sight, while you sleep, when you are awake, you can not escape it, you can not ignore it, you do it....but still you deny it....

[Stardustaquarion]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005NKKV.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

The followers of Abrax are only 7 said by Abrax himself....let it rest


Love to you all

[Fredkc]

Ok, I have an over-powering desire to write some incredibly brilliant post, so full of great insight on all this, that I manage to complete P I S S _ OFF every single faction to this, imaginable.

Sadly, none of us will live that long. So instead I did a quick Google.




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now I'm happy...

Fred

[petem]

Truthseeker,

The integrity of Abraxas is questionable at best. His intentions are not honorable. I hope you find the truth we are all seeking in this world.

Pete

[gita]

At the present moment i am not angry...i am bored.
Once again....i see the same story in different context.

I am young yes...but still i see (and know) people discussing *that thing* behind closed doors...most women like to talk about it...among themselves...and women are also nicely surprised if they can talk with a man/boy about it....but as long as you do not talk about it doing it with her....than becomes "inappropriate"

man do not discuss it, no room for emotion there...it is only sport, cars, bear and all the imaginable girlfriends they had....the do use the F and such terms...mostly describing their glorious achievements...with age...than just rant and rant more...about how women are so strange and how they could never understand them...."poor" man huh? :)

mixed company (man and women) is a fun thing to observe...the topic comes up regularly like a bus...it is just that at that point we have 1st-silence...than everyone becomes the master of the metaphors...the whole subject is derailed to some cliche joke...after which...it is like nothing ever happened....

-----------
It is there...all around you....at your every step, in your every sight, while you sleep, when you are awake, you can not escape it, you can not ignore it, you do it....but still you deny it....


No disrepect to you in anyway but I barely understand what you are talking about but maybe cos I'm not most women and I do not have these 'most women' in my company. If it bothers you then stay away from their conversations and go and do your own thing. And if you're bored then find something else to do. I promise you as you get older, you will never again know the meaning of 'being bored' and on that day you will rejoice and know you have gained wisdom. Wish you all the best.

Peace as always. x

[THE eXchanger]

Un-believeable!
2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.
Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".
Pete


wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet

[BROOK]

Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas’ social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon. However, I am not really that surprised by what has occurred, as it has been building up for sometime now. This seems to be the latest in a series of events carried out by a certain small, but very vocal, group of Avalon members and moderators that appear to have been out for Abraxas from the time (or soon after) he first posted here at Avalon. This small group appear to have taken offense at some aspect or other of Abraxas’ Thuban perspective and presentation. They have now thrown the sexually offensive card at Abraxas and used that as justification to both ban him and close all threads associated with him, including the social group.

Additionally, beyond the relatively small offended group, there are many that simply do not feel the Abraxas material resonates with them. They have simply, and quite rightly for themselves, kept away from the Thuban material, only now being drawn into it by the dispute that has been occurring between those that find value in Abraxas’ material, but not necessarily accepting it all, and those that clearly feel offended or threatened by the material (i.e. the small group just mentioned).

This small but persistent group seem to have had very little in common with one another, other than their desire to hijack Abraxas’ thread by baiting, attacking and trying undermine everything presented. None of this group, as far as I have seen, presented their arguments in a constructively critical manner. It was all emotive, irrational finger-pointing because something in Abraxas’ material offended their sensibilities. This group are only unified in their dislike of Abraxas and his material and the fact that it challenges their cherished and sincerely held beliefs and opinions. For some he seemed to represent the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the Devil or Satan, or at least one of his demonic minions. They were horrified at his use of both canonical and non canonical (not in the present day bible; e.g. The Gospel of Thomas) biblical passages, which they felt was blasphemous, considering who they believe him to be. For others he was a literal dragon, lizard or serpent (a literal negative reptilian ET, in human guise) out to delude us all so his kind can take over our planet and species. Still others were offended by his scientific writings, suggesting they were too incomprehensible and complicated. They maintained that this was part of Abraxas’ ruse to confuse any who might follow him. “Blind them with science, and they will believe anything” some of the opposition to Abraxas might cry.

What none of these offended individuals could seem to see was that their very attack on Abraxas’ and his material was but a projection of their own shadow material on to another (i.e. Abraxas). All that dark stuff that resides in each of us only remains so because we fail to shine the light of consciousness upon it. It is far easier to project outward and pretend that our inner demons are literal physical demons that take the form of Satan, the devil, dragons, serpents, lizards or reptilian ET’s. Yes, if we believe this strongly enough, these beings as astral or paraphysical (part astral and part physical) entities or in the guise of literal physical humans (New World Order) or ET’s (cold-blooded reptilians), will indeed attack and consume us or make us their slaves. This is precisely why we need to become both at one with and conscious of our own inner dragon and/or demons.

All this stuff about reptilian ET’s enslaving and consuming us is, at least in part, a metaphor for each of us being slaves to and consumed by our fear of the unknown darkness – the dragon or demons –within us. (Yes they can certainly manifest physically, as demons or ET’s, if such energies remain unconscious within us). Likewise, the mythology of dragon slaying by heroes such as St. George and St. Michael is, again at least in part, a metaphor for the rise of patriarchy and the subordination of women by the male dominator societies that have come to the fore over the last several thousand years. The dragon and the serpent represent the strong, powerful, sensuous and, dare I say it, sexual, feminine archetype that the angry, judgmental and fearful masculine archetype has tried to conquer and master. The ancient feminine power is now rising again. One form of this rising feminine power is the return of the dragon and the serpent. It is also represented by our planet, Gaia, as she begins to express her anger (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extremes of weather, etc.) at the damage that has been done to her by humanity and its patriarchal leadership.

Unfortunately, one member of either the smaller offended group or the larger disinterested group (not sure which, at this stage) is none other than one of the two co-founders of Camelot-Avalon, Bill Ryan. His opinion seems to carry a lot of weight here at Avalon at the moment. Much more so than his now ex-partner (I mean in the business sense here, though I gather that they were romantically involved in the early days of Camelot) and co-founder of Camelot-Avalon, Kerry Cassidy.

Unfortunately, Bill chose to make it very clear to the moderators, at the end of last month, that in his opinion the Thuban Q & A thread should be closed down. Bill also made it clear that he believed Abraxas was delusional. He also felt that Avalon was not the place to discuss and debate differing metaphysical frameworks. Both these opinions were highly questionable in my own humble opinion, particularly the last one regarding discussion around metaphysical frameworks. If we can not discuss such things here, where can we do so? With regard to the charge of Abraxas being delusional, I ask this. Are we not all delusional to some degree? Beliefs, opinions, judgments we all express in some form or other. These too could be considered delusional. Some say a belief in God or a higher force is delusional? What about a belief in ghosts, angels, demons, spirits or ET's?

So, Bill gave his very strongly stated opinion, leaving it up to the moderators to decide whether they close the Thuban thread or not. One of the moderators closed the thread, against his better judgment, thinking that this was what Bill had requested. He re-opened the thread a few days later, when he realised his mistake. However, the damage had been done the moment Bill expressed a very strong opinion about the Thuban material being false. This provided a lot more fuel for the little fire that the offended group had created against Abraxas. The Thuban threads days here at Avalon were surely numbered then. I will be very surprised if Bill does anything other than support the actions of the small group of moderators and members who have closed down all things Thuban and banned Abraxas. I would love to be wrong on this and will put up my hand and say so if Bill contradicts my expectation.

Bill's integrity, already in doubt for me, rests on what he does or does not do in response to this irrational and emotive witch hunt. It is my suspicion, that in good time, but probably not immediately, all things relating to channeling or downloading (watch out you Ashayana Deanne fans) from alleged higher sources will be slowly removed from Avalon, if Bill gets his way. Whilst I question many of these channeled and downloaded sources, to stop all discussion of them here at Avalon, would be, in my view, a big mistake. By the way, I do not think many, if any, of the claims made by the various whistle blowers, witnesses and contactees are any more reliable (in some cases they are less so) than most channeled sources presented here at Avalon and elsewhere. Bill gives the impression that such are more grounded in reality than the channeled sources. I see little evidence to support this contention.

Really, it appears to me, that what has gone on here at Avalon in relation to the Abraxas thread, is the latest reflection of the ongoing personal conflict between Bill and Kerry, that has become more and more evident over the past year or so. The Camelot – St. Clair, Camelot – Burisch, Camelot – Greer, Camelot – Rense, Ryan – High and Ryan – Kinsumei2 conflicts were earlier versions of this. So, their own conflict with each other is a microcosm of these other Avalon and Camelot conflicts, in my view. And yet all of those conflicts together are themselves each a microcosm of the still wider conflict we see going on across our planet. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Many here seem to feel that Bill is the more objective and rational member of the Camelot duo and that Kerry is the more intuitive and emotional one. Whilst Kerry is clearly intuitive (as is Bill, in myopinion), but also irrational and overly emotional at times, what many Avalonians fail to see is that many of Bill’s apparently objective and rational comments and statements are merely a cover for his own quite irrational and emotional processing. He is just better at hiding his irrational side than Kerry. Bill has aired his own differences publicly with Kerry, just as she has with him. The only difference is that he has done so in a more subtle manner than Kerry. Ideally, neither of them should have bought their personal issues to either Camelot or Avalon. It is fine for them to disagree publicly, but they need to do this in a rational and objective manner and simply agree to differ. However, what has occurred here at Avalon lately is far more personal than that and there is very little objectivity occurring from either party at present. It has everything to do with a personal relationship having gone sour, in my humble opinion.

So to Bill and Kerry, I say this. Get over it, move on and stop taking your personal grievances with each other, albeit unconsciously, out on the moderators and posters here at Avalon.

I shall certainly remain a member of this forum in the short term, just to watch what goes on here as this increasing conflict either gets worse or begins to resolve itself. I might even post occasionally, if I don’t get banned after this comment. Whether I remain here in the longer term depends on how things pan out. A more dictatorial approach to what is and is not allowed here, which is what Bill seems to be proposing, will most definitely turn me away from both Avalon and Camelot. Clear evidence of a more tolerant and open approach to all perspectives will keep me interested. So watch this space on that one.

However, already, though I respect Bill and Kerry as individuals and for much of what they have accomplished, I have lost faith in the integrity of both founders of Camelot-Avalon. This also leads me to question their credibility as objective observers and recorders of the information that they gather from their various sources.

Best Wishes to you all,

Truthseeker (Andrew)
You seem to have the idea that it is a "small" group that was offended..but I'm here to say that there are many who were offended and did not even give this subject the time of day....and I will re post what it was that I feel needs to be addressed...as this forum is not for the enforcement of an agenda..that is age old, and oh so perverted and obvious..in my mind at least....this forum is not for furthering agenda..it is for breaking them up, and starting to live as sovereign beings....not manipulate ones.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SABINA View Post
well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?

Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.

The forum guidelines state

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
Discussions that promote illicit drugs, pornography, foul language, violence, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, personal insults, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. Posts that violate these guidelines will be removed and the posters membership reviewed. IP addresses are logged.


I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.

:nono:

[BROOK]

wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet

Yes....and that does not make it a good one

Remember Hitler????????????? What a lovely huh? should we excuse it a polarity...:mfr_lol:

[Spregovori]

No disrepect to you in anyway but I barely understand what you are talking about but maybe cos I'm not most women and I do not have these 'most women' in my company. If it bothers you then stay away from their conversations and go and do your own thing. And if you're bored then find something else to do. I promise you as you get older, you will never again know the meaning of 'being bored' and on that day you will rejoice and know you have gained wisdom. Wish you all the best.

Peace as always. x

I am more or less familiar with woman of my age that is 18-26...older women are also fun to talk to but it takes time for them to open up. it does not bother me when i talk with the girl about sex...not at all...my age or older... it is just that older women have (my experiences) a lot of luggage...older man like to rant (i could never understand women blah blah)....older women like to "complain" about man never been able to understand them/her.....about no man ever could see what she wants....

[gita]

Spregovor, just noticed that you've edited your last post and not in good taste either. Don't always believe what you read. Married couples do talk about sex and do educate their childeren about sex. Obviously you've never been married or have been a parent. I'm also wondering if you recently have had romantic problems but please don't answer that as it was just a fleeting wondering.:sneaky2:

And of course older people have baggage - it's called life experience. It will happen to you one day too so stop with negetive judgement and learn more about human behaviour based on their experiences and learn to accept and move on. Don't make life more difficult than it can be cos that's how balance and sense of humour is lost.:lol3:

[Spregovori]

Spregovor, just noticed that you've edited your last post and not in good taste either. Don't always believe what you read. Married couples do talk about sex and do educate their childeren about sex. Obviously you've never been married or have been a parent. I'm also wondering if you recently have had romantic problems but please don't answer that as it was just a fleeting wondering.:sneaky2:

as i said...it is average (statistics) and not all...it is all there....

and no, no recent problems....just stating the every day obviousness

have fun

[THE eXchanger]

there are ways
to: command/and, demand the orbs
so, they lineup

[gita]

...have fun

Back at you.:original:

[Myplanet2]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005NKKV.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

The followers of Abrax are only 7 said by Abrax himself....let it rest


Love to you all

No. That misses the point. How many people are still focused on it with their attention and energy? That to me seems the point. It's not going to rest until left to play itself out. Even if it plays out somewhere else, but then the loose ends are left dangling. The rug is already lumpy from things swept under it. We're on a different flow now.

[THE eXchanger]

the point is, that that sign is ancient

just cause the nazi's stole it, doesn't make it bad

[Stardustaquarion]

http://www.thebeautyofallthings.com/blog/images/peace.jpg

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger View Post
wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet
Yes....and that does not make it a good one

Remember Hitler????????????? What a lovely huh? should we excuse it a polarity...:mfr_lol:

eXchanger..I'm bumping this as I'm really questioning what your point is?

I'd like to hear how the Nazi agenda can be justified.....or the symbol behind it

[THE eXchanger]

You seem to have the idea that it is a "small" group that was offended..but I'm here to say that there are many who were offended and did not even give this subject the time of day....and I will re post what it was that I feel needs to be addressed...as this forum is not for the enforcement of an agenda..that is age old, and oh so perverted and obvious..in my mind at least....this forum is not for furthering agenda..it is for breaking them up, and starting to live as sovereign beings....not manipulate ones.

How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?
Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.

The forum guidelines state

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
Discussions that promote illicit drugs, pornography, foul language, violence, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, personal insults, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. Posts that violate these guidelines will be removed and the posters membership reviewed. IP addresses are logged.


I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.

:nono:


if they didn't give his threads, the time of day / or night
then, how could they be affected by it ???

[THE eXchanger]

and, what about moderators, who post - naked woman and a dragon pics ???

is that acceptable behaviour ???

[Myplanet2]

http://www.thebeautyofallthings.com/blog/images/peace.jpg

And good will towards those you don't happen to have on ignore. lol.

Peace is balance and harmony. Not "we win...you lose...good bye"

[BROOK]

and, what about moderators, who post - naked woman and a dragon pics ???

is that acceptable behaviour ???

Not if it is perverted, and offensive...as was that thread!

[Stardustaquarion]

http://www.southbound.ph/blog/wp-content/photos/figaro/figaro-chicken-sandwich-1.jpg

It looks vegetarian, hope it is :original:

[BROOK]

if they didn't give his threads, the time of day / or night
then, how could they be affected by it ???

The first post dear...the first post was enough to walk away...it was the ones that were titillated by it that fell prey to it..but that is only obvious

[THE eXchanger]

eXchanger..I'm bumping this as I'm really questioning what your point is?

I'd like to hear how the Nazi agenda can be justified.....or the symbol behind it


who mentioned nazis ? (except maybe by a joke)

when 777 ran off, about his name

and, started the balls rolling about a nazi connection

(we think, a/t - was likely throwing some humour on it)

the swat symbol is one of the most ancient of all symbols

there is a lot in it, that can allow one to gleam

the real old ancient knowledge

[Stardustaquarion]

Listen, people are more important than words and theories

Now have some comfort food

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5056610/2/istockphoto_5056610-heart-shaped-box-with-candy-hearts.jpg

[waitinginthewings]

I would like to get Anchor's take on all of this. Where are you Anchor? You'd have to understand my theories on all of this...to understand why I am almost to the point of committing myself into the local nut-house. Take a look at my threads on Amen Ra http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 and Gizeh Intelligence http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence ...or just look at the 'Sirius Issues' thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17016&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I think we are all playing with fire...but that it is very necessary to do so...and not just a curiosity or something of a rebellious nature.

WHERE WILL WE MEET IF THIS SITE IS COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN? Might http://www.veritasshow.com/ be one possibility? Might I suggest that everyone and everything is compromised everywhere...and that it's probably wise to trust no one? I know I'm paranoid...but that doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:


Ortho.....please don't let this latest episode in the Avalon soap opera get to you....I don't like seeing you suffer like this. If as you said above, that Avalon goes down for good, then Manticore forum is another great forum to join....Mel would be happy to have us. So no worries........but I think we will weather this little tempest in a teapot too. We are Avalonians....we are strong.....love to you Ortho:wub2:

[BROOK]

who mentioned nazis ? (except maybe by a joke)

when 777 ran off, about his name

and, started the balls rolling about a nazi connection

(we think, a/t - was likely throwing some humour on it)

the swat symbol is one of the most ancient of all symbols

there is a lot in it, that can allow one to gleam

the real old ancient knowledge

does that make it "good" knowledge?

[THE eXchanger]

since 2008,
i'll bet if we took a poll of all woman on this site,
that many of the women,
have rec'd 'strange' things from
the so-called men/or boys on this site
that go into the category called,
i would NOT send this to my mother :lmao:

[THE eXchanger]

Not if it is perverted, and offensive...as was that thread!

this is your opinion,
others have opinions too

those on ignore, do NOT count :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

does that make it "good" knowledge?

if you understood how to walk thru one

it might ;)

again, all is a choice

[Magamud]

Knowledge none the less......

[BROOK]

since 2008,
i'll bet if we took a poll of all woman on this site,
that many of the women,
have rec'd 'strange' things from
the so-called men/or boys on this site
that go into the category called,
i would NOT send this to my mother :lmao:

I am sure...but those women are and should be grown enough to accept the thing that they cannot change. And gather up and move on :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

if you understood how to walk thru one

it might ;)

again, all is a choice

And how do you know I don't understand that? And choose not to walk through that....choice...free will :thumb_yello: Gotta love it :wub2:

[BROOK]

this is your opinion,
others have opinions too

those on ignore, do NOT count :mfr_lol:

If indeed it is only my opinion...then why did the thread get closed for that very reason?

Ignore button only works for so much...how about the eXchange on the forum in regards to this thread? How about the side track to so many more important things on the table?

I could care less about his sexual fantasy in Hell as described in the first post...I would rather go in the back yard and pet my fluffy bunny Thumper...hahaha

[Myplanet2]

Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas’ social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon.

(cut for brevity)

Best Wishes to you all,

Truthseeker (Andrew)

Brilliant, insightful, articulate and correctly seen post, Andrew. Thank you very much for your clarity of vision. wow. And people think they need to the thinking and discerning for people like you and I, eh?

[Magamud]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BDGVoAb92JQ/Sjp0ctUcI2I/AAAAAAAAAm8/QolVrPUxe1w/s400/witchhunting.JPG

[Myplanet2]

I could care less about his sexual fantasy in Hell as described in the first post...I would rather go in the back yard and pet my fluffy bunny Thumper...hahaha


And yet here your are parked and discussing this. Is this not the irony we are discussing here? Is this not really the issue? Each "side" saying the other can just leave and pay no attention if they don't like it. Or maybe I'll leave and pay no attention if I don't like it. Yet here they sit, paying attention.

And the attention whores with their "I can't look...I can't look...I can't look....did you see that?????.....ouch....that hurteded me, soooooo bad and now I'm all like unhappy and stuff and well isn't somebody going to save me??????(flutters eyelids provocatively)

[BROOK]

And yet here your are parked and discussing this. Is this not the irony we are discussing here? Is this not really the issue? Each "side" saying the other can just leave and pay no attention if they don't like it. Or maybe I'll leave and pay no attention if I don't like it. Yet here they sit, paying attention.

And the attention whores with their "I can't look...I can't look...I can't look....did you see that?????.....ouch....that hurteded me, soooooo bad and now I'm all like unhappy and stuff and well isn't somebody going to save me??????(flutter eyelids provocatively)

I am a member of this forum, at lest last I checked...and because I contributed 32 posts to that thread to dispute some of the information, I feel it necessary to contribute to the subject...but again...my bunny Thumper awaits

[Stardustaquarion]

You know what, the problem here is between Abrax Saint Inquisition I am the only one that is in the "know" and the rest of us that been there got the t-shirt and moved into the realm of universal love

Our mistake was to see Abrax in his dark night of the soul and some of us thought we could help him see beyond, but where there is dogmatism there is no point on trying to reason, which is why I left the thread

No that he ever gave me any sensible explanations for my questions which he avoid answering

I think Abrax is not in resonance with the majority of the forum cos he is in a different timeline. His paradigm belongs to probability one and we are close to six so there you are. We are beyond much of what TPTB had in store for us so lets keep those vives and frequencies up cos it is working!

And having said this I am off

Love to all

[Magamud]

In times like these defense is well harnessed. What better defense then to not know what the other hand is doing. Compartmentalized society yes? The macro of corporations is the micro of the individual. They know not what they say. They hold two contradictory points of view appearing as one unified (Double speak). Its in epidemic proportions and pervades everything. Unaccountability, irresponsibility to something which I dont know?. But I say to you, you do know beneath your tangled confusion of intellect. You do know what you have done and remorse be with it.....

[petem]

MP2,
"Even if every other word was true, how can you justify point #5? It doesn't matter if 2 or 3 or 10 people can discern something. Why would you deny the rest the opportunity? The weak fall prey to monsters of that description, because the WANT to. Because they have BEEN such monsters in the past, and are trying on the other shoe. Because they are learning about compassion and want a close up look. Because they favour truth and honesty and want to contrast it with manipulation and deceptions, to see the full spread."

I stand corrected.

I should have said, "His banishment is justified IMHO"


There have been trolls on Avalon since I started lurking in '08. This one is much more intellectual and thought provoking. But he needs to be exposed for what he is, a troll. Here is the problem IMHO, members that have been hurt by this troll are not the type that verbally attack trolls on a public forum. They went to the mods and revealed his perversion. He's a fraud. Plain and simple.

But your right, let the weak fall prey to this troll "because the WANT to". What a statement. I suppose a rape victim WANTS to be raped.

Deception is everywhere and it's gaining momentum in this crazy world. I wont deny you the "opportunity" to learn from a troll.

Bring the manipulative troll back!

Pete

[Stardustaquarion]

MP2,


But your right, let the weak fall prey to this troll "because the WANT to". What a statement. I suppose a rape victim WANTS to be raped.

Deception is everywhere and it's gaining momentum in this crazy world. I wont deny you the "opportunity" to learn from a troll.


Pete


Well said Pete! :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

Love to all

[mudra]

We have fared in much better waters and for a long while I have been the witness of peace within Avalon .
Until these more recent times of discordance and strugle .
Friends have now split over diverging opinions...people rejected for being different.
Have our hearts weaken and our egos strenghened over time ?
Have we lost sight that we are One and equal within this soul family that Avalon is .
Can't we accept each other for what we really are ...that Light within...the foundation of our essence.
The shadows we cast and on which we stumble are the reflections of the Love we withold from ourselves and then from others.
If everyone here would come to live by the soul free from the bounderies of the noise of the mind than we could only see peace around .
There is no other place to reach but your heart for this is Home and this is where we are One.

Peace to all
mudra

[Gevaudan]

Yeah...well said, Pete. I think discernment is the big lesson to be learned here, and unfortunately in the real world, there will not be moderators to help the individual distinguish between a server/deceiver. There is a lot of egotism bellowing out of this site at the moment, but those of us who use this site for its usefulness can disregard the drama and learn from it.

But I can say that if I shut people out of my life every time I disagreed with them, I would be sitting on a rock by myself.

[OmarEastwind]

MyPlanet2 said: "Oh, I'm completely certain it's not some evil force taking anything over. In fact it's not even bad people meaning to do bad things. It's people who have simply ignored the call to take advantage of a rapidly shrinking window of opportunity to DO THEIR PROCESSING WORK, and the stress is taking it's toll. If they think it gets easier from here, I've got some terrible news. The next wave is several times as intense.

You can't legislate a mirror out of existence. Look at what became triggered within yourselves and do something about it. The solution is not to be found anywhere else."

Some very profound wisdom there! Thank you...-Omar

[Myplanet2]

MP2,
"Even if every other word was true, how can you justify point #5? It doesn't matter if 2 or 3 or 10 people can discern something. Why would you deny the rest the opportunity? The weak fall prey to monsters of that description, because the WANT to. Because they have BEEN such monsters in the past, and are trying on the other shoe. Because they are learning about compassion and want a close up look. Because they favour truth and honesty and want to contrast it with manipulation and deceptions, to see the full spread."

I stand corrected.

I should have said, "His banishment is justified IMHO"


There have been trolls on Avalon since I started lurking in '08. This one is much more intellectual and thought provoking. But he needs to be exposed for what he is, a troll. Here is the problem IMHO, members that have been hurt by this troll are not the type that verbally attack trolls on a public forum. They went to the mods and revealed his perversion. He's a fraud. Plain and simple.

But your right, let the weak fall prey to this troll "because the WANT to". What a statement. I suppose a rape victim WANTS to be raped.

Deception is everywhere and it's gaining momentum in this crazy world. I wont deny you the "opportunity" to learn from a troll.

Bring the manipulative troll back!

Pete

the point is, don't banish him from everybody. some were still getting somewhere in the discernment lesson. Banish him from your own person, and move on, if that's your choice.

If you've been around since day one, then you remember the energy exchange which resulted in the Smurfs, who have come back to haunt the forum time and again with some real hard intentional trolling. Why put off until tomorrow, what can be handled today?

Unpopular opinion, but yes, rape is no different than any other negative experience where the exploration is one of power over/helplessness. Rape is as much a choice as is being murdered, Killed in a traffic accident, being on the 100th floor of a free falling building, and anything else we'd care to set up to experience. There is no such thing as a victim. It's a lie we tell ourselves. (Caveat: No I'm not stupid, and yes I realize how outrageous this sounds from a 3D level of consciousness, but I'm not in a 3D level of consciousness, so I get to go there.)

[Majorion]

Rape is as much a choice as is being murdered, Killed in a traffic accident, being on the 100th floor of a free falling building, and anything else we'd care to set up to experience.
MP, I'm baffled by what you're saying here.

On what basis do you say a rape victim is 'not' a victim?

[Carol]

As a former moderator of this forum I will add that 95 percent of the threads that are currently posted on the Avalon General Forum do not belong there and are not in keeping with the mission of the Avalon. Because there are so many "new" moderators, clean-up may not have been a priority but it should be as these threads need to be sorted out and put into the other forums they are best suited for. The Thuban thread should have been in the Off Topic Forum, if at all allowed on this website. Please remember, Bill wanting the thread closed was based on what his intention was when this forum was created and as the forum founder. If anyone here knows what-is-what, it is Bill when it comes to what is an appropriate thread and what is not.

gita, the photos you posted are inappropriate and should be deleted. Bottom line... there are some types of humor which are not appropriate for this forum and those pictures crossed the line. I would expect something like that to be posted Proxywhore or GLP. This forum has a different set of standards and those standards need to be honored.

As for the Thuban thread... I trust Bill on this one. Had the thread stayed closed this other fallout may not have happened. Yet, at the time, I too was in favor of not closing threads and now see I was wrong. Yes, we are sexual beings, yet bringing sexual content into this forum when the whole intent and purpose is about groundcrews, self-sufficiency and planning for earth changes is completely off-topic and not appropriate to Avalon's mission.

I for one would like to see people get back on track. Currently, with so much thread clutter, it is almost impossible to have any real thread discussions related to the primary intention of the Avalon Forum. I would rather see discussions on what people are doing to prepare for these coming earth changes. Are folks working on underground structures and if so what type? What types of air filtrations systems are being designed or are available? How is water being stored? Are folks into different ways of producing food that is effective? Avalon is about day-to-day survival for a difficult time ahead. This is where energy needs to be going. Self-exploration is for the spirituality forum. These other off-topic threads are a distraction from doing what really needs to be done now for planning ahead.

Please keep in mind this is the mission: Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

The primary rule everyone is expected to follow is one of mutual respect.

And moderators... good luck. You have my support and deepest sympathies. No one likes being a target when it comes time to set boundaries.

[mntruthseeker]

And yet here your are parked and discussing this. Is this not the irony we are discussing here? Is this not really the issue? Each "side" saying the other can just leave and pay no attention if they don't like it. Or maybe I'll leave and pay no attention if I don't like it. Yet here they sit, paying attention.

And the attention whores with their "I can't look...I can't look...I can't look....did you see that?????.....ouch....that hurteded me, soooooo bad and now I'm all like unhappy and stuff and well isn't somebody going to save me??????(flutters eyelids provocatively)



Who is the attention whores ? I refused to read his BS, which is IMO, but I didnt run around reporting him to any mod. I never asked to be saved either, but I will add, it sure feels nice in the forum today. So, I'm curious as to who you are speaking as I know it wasnt me.

Pretty rough language.

[Jonah]

if this post from MR. T is understood by some who read it...

it may help to understand what resonation is and why it is applicable here..

Hello Dragonfly.

We must be aware of the laws that govern this body, of the realm it belongs to, of who made it, how and why, of the rules of connection between the soul and that body and so on.

We must be aware of what a soul really is, of the realm it belongs to, who made it, and for what particular purpose, and so on.

I say this often, but it is fundamental: If the laws behind the evolution of the soul were laws that were pro-human, what is here would be different. Those laws are not pro-human and the soul is an investment in an agenda that is separate from the ultimate reality of an individual.

Soul is a word that like spirit, god and all other archetypes, is hypercharged with conditioned memories and values.

People talk of paradigm shift. Fine.

But lets not kid ourselves, a paradigm shift does not mean just another hue of the same old thing.

Consciousness will not be the same, therefore it will be extirpated from the laws that command all senses afforded by consciousness as it is known today. Not the same does not mean just more trippy, it means the total destruction of what is so that something else can become.

[mntruthseeker]

MP, I'm baffled by what you're saying here.

On what basis do you say a rape victim is 'not' a victim?

I think he is saying it was our choice before we came here to go through this.


None of us are victims


Its funny that its being bought up as they speak about Abrax being banned, as if he is a victim himself.

[THE eXchanger]

absolutely beware of cults

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20743

[THE eXchanger]

the raped, and, the raper - are a monad of life

there are approx 29 other monads too

and, guess what, you all get to play out both sides of that equation
with the same soul, at some time,
at some part, of the monads of mating agreements, love monads,
and, heart_links

[Stardustaquarion]

Hi mntruthseeker

Maybe it looks like Abrax is a victim but he is just getting the consequences of his actions?

Victimization is something more arbitrary?

Love to all

[THE eXchanger]

there are NO victims :lmao:

just choices, that lead to THE CONSEQUENCES

[Myplanet2]

Who is the attention whores ? I refused to read his BS, which is IMO, but I didnt run around reporting him to any mod. I never asked to be saved either, but I will add, it sure feels nice in the forum today. So, I'm curious as to who you are speaking as I know it wasnt me.

Pretty rough language.

You're right. It wasn't you.

[Magamud]

when the whole intent and purpose is about groundcrews, self-sufficiency and planning for earth changes is completely off-topic and not appropriate to Avalon's mission.

I submit we are seeing a double meaning to this intent one 3D the other ______.

Are they not one in the same?

[morguana]

one......two......three

now come and sing with me

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*mogs hugs all of you*

love
m x

ps i have a dream of world peace.....silly arnt i?

[gita]

gita, the photos you posted are inappropriate and should be deleted. Bottom line... there are some types of humor which are not appropriate for this forum and those pictures crossed the line. I would expect something like that to be posted Proxywhore or GLP. This forum has a different set of standards and those standards need to be honored.

Dear Carol, thank you for your input and your opinion. With respect, I don’t see how using pictures of ‘Celebrities’ playing characters which have been seen by people of all ages worldwide is inappropriate and offensive. It’s not as if I plucked the pics from a pornographic site! It was done in good clean humour to break up the ego wars that was going on earlier on this thread. I personally find “"do her in the ass" "cum dumpsters"” extremely offensive and inappropriate but allowed the person to express themselves in the only way they know how.

I’ve had quite a lot of people saying how hilarious they found it and that it helped to break the negative energy that was circulating this thread. For this reason, I will not remove the humour as you kindly suggest but if any mods would like to back one of their own and remove it then they are welcomed to do so.

Much love to you my dear friend. x

[Northern Boy]

I`m sitting here watching both sides of this argument lob grenades back and forth with out knowing the reason as to why this took place . For some reason that escapes me how come the members of both camps can`t simply sit back and try to understand there are legal issues that open the forum to action should one decide to pursue it .

Yes the forum could have to go to court along with the moderating team and administration and owners could face legal action for there inactions to respond to this matter . That would entail the closing down of the soapbox`s some of you are so proud to stand upon right now screaming at each other over this .

The closing of this forum was a distinct probability should this occur in all likely hood forcing you to find an alternative place to throw intellectual stones at each other . The Administration and mod team are just asking you to put down your grenades and give us a few days to Iron out the legal issues the threads have to be overlooked to remove any offensive comments and then restored to the forum as a read only thread. If this doesn`t float your boat for now on behalf of the Admin , Mod and Bill I apologize Its the best we can do at the moment


So that being said I thought this video would be appropriate in this thread after reading it


gJ-bhM-xuec

[Gevaudan]

Morguana,

You are I are riding the same wave. I was just thinking of posting that video a little while ago.

I kid you not :original:

[THE eXchanger]

king A and the one,
who was rumered to lance a lot
are both mine :mfr_lol::lmao::mfr_omg:

good news ~ jesus is still UP for grabs

[Myplanet2]

MP, I'm baffled by what you're saying here.

On what basis do you say a rape victim is 'not' a victim?

We are multidimensional. We exist on multiple levels at the same time. On some level, we are creators of our reality. Look at all the suffering. Does that come from without, or from within? I've run most of my own this lifetime drama's of this sort, and in each instance, discovered not only my turn as victim, but also as perp, and then also my decision on a soul/higher self level, to arrange these experiences, including the recruiting of other players. There are no accidents, including traffic accidents, although when you're in one, you can't see how this was arranged and how you thought it would be a good idea.

Nothing in my comments or viewpoints tries to negate the actual hurt, or pain, or trauma. Simply the idea that it came from without. That's never happened, and never will. Impossible, actually.

And again, this is on a different frequency of reality, which is largely hidden from the experiencer.

[Stardustaquarion]

Thank you morguana! :wub2::wub2::wub2:

[morguana]

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is there not enough pain in this world?
anyone else up for changing this?
coz i cant do it on my own

thank you Gevaudan and stardust, im glad someone else gets it

i send YOU ALL my love, and you need to pass it forward

love and big hugs m x

[Stardustaquarion]

morguana :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::wub2: :wub2: :wub2:

[777 The Great Work]

U are in your own way.:lol3:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/953aa7c040.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) :lmao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Stargazer1965]

Shh...quiet now.....Everything will work out :original:

Trust each other

SG

[morguana]

love and laughter.........thats a start :original:

may you all walk in peace and joy.......we are all alive :thumb_yello:
i thank the divine every day for this

:wub2:
m x

[lightblue]

Myplanet2 wrote

We are multidimensional. We exist on multiple levels at the same time. On some level, we are creators of our reality. Look at all the suffering. Does that come from without, or from within? I've run most of my own this lifetime drama's of this sort, and in each instance, discovered not only my turn as victim, but also as perp, and then also my decision on a soul/higher self level, to arrange these experiences, including the recruiting of other players. There are no accidents, including traffic accidents, although when you're in one, you can't see how this was arranged and how you thought it would be a good idea.

Nothing in my comments or viewpoints tries to negate the actual hurt, or pain, or trauma. Simply the idea that it came from without. That's never happened, and never will. Impossible, actually.

And again, this is on a different frequency of reality, which is largely hidden from the experiencer.

so we just let the bullies run a riot..and all is just fine...and because it is decided on another, unpercieveable dimension anyway ...

spiritually irresponsible - this theory


p. s. won't someone get bill?

bw l



..................................

[Jonah]

U are in your own way.:lol3:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/953aa7c040.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) :lmao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

What the matter Great Work...

too much fun?

[Stardustaquarion]

I personally think there is a moral issue if we are aware that someone is hurting others and we let them

I think that when we do not do anything we become acomplices of the offenders specially if we perceive that the victims do not have the ability to handle the issues themselves

We are one big body that encompases the planet, we have to care for each other without intruding and respecting each others boundaries otherwise there will be a very grim future for us as we rapidly seem to be going towards our self demise as race

The planet and all that is in the planet is suffering mostly because of our own abuse, are we going to destroy it all for the sake of free will?

Free will does not mean free for all and when we abuse the energy laws we are left wanting and eventually dry...think about it

What benefit is this whole discussion bringing to the beings in this planet?

Isn't is only bringing disharmony that eventually will manifest as more destruction?

We can not turn our heads anymore, we must do what is balanced for the highest good of all

Love to all

[orthodoxymoron]

Why is my thread "Thuban Thoughts" still missing? This was not a thread started by abraxasinas...and it contained nothing of a sexual nature...or anything which could conceivably be a legal problem...especially regarding the stated reasons for the banning of abraxasinas and the threads started by abraxasinas. This was my work...and it has been deleted. I asked why this occurred at the beginning of this thread...but there has been no official response of any kind. I just finished reading page after page of childish fighting. What the hell is going on here?

[Majorion]

I just finished reading page after page of childish fighting. What the hell is going on here?
Childish fighting :original:

[Northern Boy]

U are in your own way.:lol3:
:lmao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

My thoughts exactly 777 :thumb_yello:

[Jonah]

Good question Ortho.... I would ask either N. boy, tango, or gaialove

[777 The Great Work]

No one in this life does anything to us. There is no pendulum.It is us that swings ,and allow ourselves to be tossed, and turned, by words heard, or on a screen.
The minute someone said that man had a right to free speech.Thats when the vice was put on man's thoughts. There is no such thing as free speech, only speech.

[mntruthseeker]

I personally think there is a moral issue if we are aware that someone is hurting others and we let them

I think that when we do not do anything we become acomplices of the offenders specially if we perceive that the victims do not have the ability to handle the issues themselves

We are one big body that encompases the planet, we have to care for each other without intruding and respecting each others boundaries otherwise there will be a very grim future for us as we rapidly seem to be going towards our self demise as race

The planet and all that is in the planet is suffering mostly because of our own abuse, are we going to destroy it all for the sake of free will?

Free will does not mean free for all and when we abuse the energy laws we are left wanting and eventually dry...think about it

What benefit is this whole discussion bringing to the beings in this planet?

Isn't is only bringing disharmony that eventually will manifest as more destruction?

We can not turn our heads anymore, we must do what is balanced for the highest good of all

Love to all

Once again .................another great post by StarDust. It happens so much lately, I keep saying , I'm done but Im right back in here. Why, because there are people like you, LionHawk and others that truly do care.

Thanks

[Gevaudan]

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[Dantheman62]

http://redrenee.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sinking-ship.jpg (http://redrenee.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sinking-ship.jpg)

[orthodoxymoron]

Most of us mean well...and are doing the best we can...but I'd like to see this forum move to the next level of refinement and academic excellence...with most of us imagining that we are scholars assembled in a conference room in an underground base (like in Stargate SG-1) in a last ditch attempt to save the world. Are we fiddling while Rome burns?

Were the threads deleted by order of anyone external to the Avalon/Camelot family? Is the stated reason the real reason why the deletions occurred? Sometimes someone can be fired for a stated reason...when the real reason is left unsaid. The stated reason can simply be an excuse...because the real reason can be too hot to handle. I was worried about abraxasinas, the Thuban material, and related postings...before the sexual stuff emerged. Could revealing and potentially volatile information be why my 'Thuban Thoughts' thread was deleted? Just wondering.

[Spregovori]

Dear Carol, thank you for your input and your opinion. With respect, I don’t see how using pictures of ‘Celebrities’ playing characters which have been seen by people of all ages worldwide is inappropriate and offensive. It’s not as if I plucked the pics from a pornographic site! It was done in good clean humour to break up the ego wars that was going on earlier on this thread. I personally find “"do her in the ass" "cum dumpsters"” extremely offensive and inappropriate but allowed the person to express themselves in the only way they know how.

I’ve had quite a lot of people saying how hilarious they found it and that it helped to break the negative energy that was circulating this thread. For this reason, I will not remove the humour as you kindly suggest but if any mods would like to back one of their own and remove it then they are welcomed to do so.

Much love to you my dear friend. x

double standard again....and next time...when you quote me...do not take words out of context

[gita]

double standard again....and next time...when you quote me...do not take words out of context

They were not taken out of context - if you look closely they are double quoted and nor did I mention your name. It seems that you just want to drag this on and on so go ahead and continue to stroke your own ego - it's totally natural of a boy your age. Peace to you as always.

Ps - "double standard" - still have no idea what you on about. If you make a judgemental statement then please explain yourself so at least I can understand where you're coming from - this does help a lot in a discussion.