Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views?

[Racsouran]

personally i post here my opinion on this strange sea of speculations.

As i can´t stand that woman, because it´s energy is NOT positive for me.... that´s enough.

[feeler]

Can anyone enlighten me as to what Miriam said about 2010? I've watched the interview but can't recall what 2010 was referencing.

I don't want to re-download the whole interview just to hear that part so if anyone can help- thanks a heap.:original::thumb_yello:

I used windows media player and at the 59:00 mark:


She expressed that the year that she has "great concern over" is 2010, and there is the "potential of great destruction all over the earth."

Not necessarily war. Not necessarily meteor. But "humanity has a role to play."

Watch Alex Collier - Moon & Mars Lecture part 11 on YouTube and at 1:30, he predicted (back in 1996) that:

New York City will be in ash, sacrificed by 2000. The power that be already made the decision. "An offering." "Man-made."

How's that for a prediction compared to Miriam's?

*Here's the link:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=117&Itemid=51

Start at 1:41 in the video.

[OceanWinds]

One of the things I've observed about the posts on this thead is how varied the responses are from everyone. It's almost like some people are on the bus (those who can accept what Miriam has to share as real and authentic) and others who don't even see the bus coming (who are caught up in their own feelings or how they perceive Miriam holding her head). There is also a glossing over of other members expertise (Miriams eyes looking doward) which clearly demonstrates these particular members lack of knowledge about basic info that any trained mental health professional would notice.

BTW I used to play a lot of poker... and I have read many books on body language for tells and give aways, and body language/eye placement is huge! And I still use these skills, because they are very useful in helping me to read people. Just look at the Mothers who get their children to "look into my eyes" when they want to know the truth. But I am going to guess that you are professionally trained, and all professionally trained people obviously know better than myself when it comes to this?



Why didn't they see the bus coming? What is that all about?

One possibility is that they were wedded to what they "wanted" to "believe" rather then to what was reality. Those who demonstrated due diligence prior to the election would take the time to research the candidates (which can easily be done on the net). GWB had a history of taking businesses and bankrupting them. He is just repeating what he did in the past. Yet many, who are still in denial just don't understand behavorial patterns and what is happening as a result.

This is not meant as disrespect toward anyone. It is just an observation about how some folks need time to assimilate information and develop discernment skills as compared to other folks who have already gone through that process and are sitting "on the bus."

You obviously have a strong resonance with Miriam. And seem to think she is being honest, and that is your choice. But pay attention to yourself, and look how you have pigeon holed those who do not resonate with her. You have judged them as been unready, and unable to see something you think is obvious. Yet many people just do not like how she feels... Myself I noticed how I felt poorly watching her video, then looked for some explanations. And its not only myself... I would say at least half the responses I have read have not been favorable for this woman. Something to pay attention to.

[Ara]

I used windows media player and at the 59:00 mark:


She expressed that the year that she has "great concern over" is 2010, and there is the "potential of great destruction all over the earth."

Not necessarily war. Not necessarily meteor. But "humanity has a role to play."

Watch Alex Collier - Moon & Mars Lecture part 11 on YouTube and at 1:30, he predicted (back in 1996) that:

New York City will be in ash, sacrificed by 2000. The power that be already made the decision. "An offering." "Man-made."

How's that for a prediction compared to Miriam's?

*Here's the link:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=117&Itemid=51

Start at 1:41 in the video.

Hey thanks feeler, you are a gem!:original:

[sharkmeldon]

Miriam is Canadian...most of the people interviewed on PC were European or American right? OK, I know this sounds maybe a little strange but when I hear people making comments about Miriam being "off", "strange vibe" etc. I can't help but think it has something to do with her nationality. I have NEVER met a Canadian who seemed... ummm, well how can I put this-they are a very distinctive people in a very subtle way that I can't define...if you Canucks out there can either agree or disagree we might get to the bottom of this.

I think of the films out of Canada, the musicians, etc...you guys are different than people in the states-and I have a hard time putting my finger on it but I know it's true, so when I watched the vid of Miriam, I kept reminding myself of that and not letting her delivery of the message get to me. She's Canadian. That's all.

God Bless Canada!

i think it's the copious amounts of weed we smoke. oh yeah, and the hockey and the beer.
haha
miriam's for real. anyone who weeps for the current state of the human race is on track. she's just being cautious with her words.
our words create our reality. how our words effect others is also a consideration. most canadians of different races are very tollerant of others of different races. we'd make great galactic citizens.
she's speaking consciously.

much love and respect to all!

mark

10-14-08. yeeeaah!:yikes:

[Carol]

Just a thought... how many people here have had personal interactions with a contactee?

Next question, how many people here are comfortable with contactee disclosures?

and lastly, how many people are afraid of ETs?

[feeler]

Why didn't they see the bus coming? What is that all about?

One possibility is that they were wedded to what they "wanted" to "believe" rather then to what was reality. Those who demonstrated due diligence prior to the election would take the time to research the candidates (which can easily be done on the net). GWB had a history of taking businesses and bankrupting them. He is just repeating what he did in the past. Yet many, who are still in denial just don't understand behavorial patterns and what is happening as a result."

Obviously GWB is 'succeeding' at his current much more important and bigger job at hand. All along, I think that has been his mission, to bankrupt the United States, not just financially, but militarily and morally. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry while reading your astute observation.

Back to the interview...

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

"We are being followed." "Let them sleep."

[Alysse]

Just a thought... how many people here have had personal interactions with a contactee?
I would more than welcome the opportunity - provided they were genuine. I have seen many, many interviews on television.

Next question, how many people here are comfortable with contactee disclosures?
Very comfortable. Would love to know all that there is to know.

and lastly, how many people are afraid of ETs?
As with anything, there are ones that are suspect and ones one would wish to embrace. As with humans, every ET cannot be painted with the same wide brush

Now, it's your turn. To what conclusion do you arrive with the answers you have received? :wink2:

[Carol]

Now, it's your turn. To what conclusion do you arrive with the answers you have received? :wink2:


I've no conclusions. I've had abductees as clients. I've talked with contactees (folks invited on board ships and maintaine a conscious memory of the event) and have had one personal contact experience.

Some ETs I trust and others I do not trust. I see ETs at different levels on the spiritual path continuum just like humans, so I also have conflicted feelings based on who the ET is. Some ETs promote fear and feed off strong negative emotions while other ETs are very positive and supportive. It's all very complex at some levels and not complex at other levels. Paradoxical? Yes.

Asking the questions was an attempt to understand where folks were coming from.
:thumb_yello:

[tgraf66]

Here's a post from a brand new blog:

"I don't trust ETs"

Let me first say that I have never had any sort of ET contact (that I'm consciously aware of, anyway!), but I've read a lot of books and articles about contactees and their experiences. I also want to state that I absolutely believe that most contactees have had an experience they can't explain. This post is in no way intended to belittle them or what happened to them, nor will I brush off their memories as invalid or hallucinatory. Something happened to them and they are expressing it and dealing with it in the only way they know how, and for that, I applaud them.

Some of the things I've read that start or end with a statement like the title of this post seem to be arguing from the standpoint of xenophobia: "see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the stranger!" Others argue from a similar but more religious point of view, calling ETs demons. This one isn't like that. I don't trust them not because I don't understand them, but because I do understand humans.

I listened to the Jim Sparks interview on Project Camelot several months ago. If you're not aware of his story, the short version is that he has been a contactee all of his life, and over the course of several "visits" was taught how to read and understand the symbolic language of the group of ETs that took him. One of the things that struck me about his story was the fact that he strongly implied, like many other contactees, that the group that took him were able to create what are called "screen memories" in his mind during and after contacts with them.

A screen memory, if I understand it correctly, is an implanted memory of the contact events that is altered in some way, usually to tone it down and make the experience seem more plausible - and more palatable - to the human mind's ability to comprehend. For example, in one case, contactees reported seeing small monkeys instead of grays, and that memory was not dislodged until they underwent hypnosis. Assuming that the contactees involved were hypnotised by a reputable and ethical practitioner who didn't plant any suggestions of his/her own, I would guess that this was a screen memory placed there by the ETs they encountered in order to make the experience less frightening for the contactees.

Not all contactees report such things, but a number of them do, and many others report blank spots in their memories called "missing time" events. For the purposes of this treatise, I will assume that like screen memories, missing time events are induced to help the contactee cope with what he/she has just been through.

To get back to Mr. Sparks' story, he reported that he was eventually able to "see through" the implanted memories in some cases, so he remembered what actually happened as opposed to what his "hosts" wanted him to remember. That called to mind the stories of other contactees who have had missing time events or odd screen memories that have no other explanation and which have subsequently been clarified by hypnosis or intense meditation.

While Mr. Sparks testimony was interesting to me, I bring it up only to introduce the fact that in combination with other contactee stories of similar things, it made me very skeptical of the intentions of ETs in general. I want to reiterate that I believe that most contactees themselves are sincere, honest people relating events that actually happened to them and explaining them in the only way they know how. I just don't trust the ETs.

I think we can assume, based on the level of technology the ETs are reported to have, that their mental - and by extension, telepathic - abilities are more advanced than our own. This is supported by the reports of screen memories. Is it not also possible that they could implant more complex mental and emotional states into our ego-laced minds in order to push forward whatever agenda they may have with our species?

I think most of us want to be thought of as special, or that we have some great purpose or work that we must accomplish here on this planet. We are also very susceptible to fear as well as being easily impressed by technologies that we may perceive as being god-like "powers", such as telepathy and the ability to travel through space and possibly time, as attested to by Clarke's Third Law. ETs very likely know these things about us, and because they are at least somewhat more advanced than we are, I think most of us would tend to be over-awed by them, their technology, and the entire experience.

There are many contactees who return from their experiences with a profound feeling of being somehow "special" or that they have been "chosen" to spread the word about something they saw during their experience. To me, the simple truth of the matter is that if the ETs are capable of creating screen memories - and the emotions to go with them, such as a feeling of overwhelming peace and/or love - to protect the contactees, they could also quite easily show the contactee a picture of some devastating catastrophe that is sure to befall us unless we do as they say. They may also hold out the possibility of mitigating or stopping said catastrophe if we do as we're told. Then, by playing on the human susceptibility to ego, they tell the person that he/she has been chosen out of the billions of beings on this little mudball to go forth and spread the gospel to the unwashed masses. Having had instilled the appropriate level of fear, love, euphoria, and/or ego-stroked awe, the contactee does as instructed - and usually ends up being ridiculed. I have no idea what the purpose of all of that is. And that brings me to my point: because I don't know that and they certainly aren't being very forthcoming with an explanation, I don't believe we can trust them.

How can we believe anything ETs tell us? Again, I'm not referring to the contactees here; most of them are innocent participants in this and are telling their stories as they perceive them to have happened. I'm talking about the ETs themselves. If even one species is capable of spontaneously creating screen memories and/or inducing emotions in humans, then I would assume that at least some of the others have the same capability, whether by telepathic or other technological means. Given that possibility, everything we've ever been told or asked to do by ETs is suspect. Whether we're dealing only with the Grays and Nordics or an unlimited number of other species, none of us knows what their various agendas may actually be.

It's a survival tactic on our part to want to please someone or something that we perceive to be more powerful than ourselves, and most of us would perceive the ETs advanced abilities and technology as superior "force". Any ET group that knows this is probably going to take advantage of it to get us to do whatever it is they want done so as to ensure minimal risk to their own people, and we'll grovel at their feet for the privelege. They know that, too.

In spite of what some people say about how benevolent a lot of the ETs are, I don't believe we can or should assume that any ETs have our best interests at heart. As I've noted, we as a species are prone to manipulation through our ego frailties. We want to believe that we're different or chosen or special, and as easy as it is for other members of our own species to play into that, how much easier is it for a technologically more advanced group that has more effective means at its disposal?

I just don't believe that any one of us is any more special than any of the others, much less am I inclined to think that this one single tiny planet inhabited by just seven billion humans is all that special in the wide vastness of the universe. Our astronomers are discovering more and more earth-like planets all the time, so how can it be that this one is special? I would say that all religious or psuedo-spiritual rantings aside, it isn't, and neither are any of us. It's just one more planet with a lot of resources and we are just another naive and very gullible population. I understand how easy it is for our fellow humans to manipulate our comparatively undeveloped minds and emotions, and that is why I don't trust ETs.

[feeler]

It's a survival tactic on our part to want to please someone or something that we perceive to be more powerful than ourselves, and most of us would perceive the ETs advanced abilities and technology as superior "force".


And 'superior features' too! Features such as being tall, blonde, blue eyes, white skin, hard body, etc. etc.



I understand how easy it is for our fellow humans to manipulate our comparatively undeveloped minds and emotions, and that is why I don't trust ETs.

I don't either. After 9/11, I came to the same understanding as what you just described.

[Carol]

Alex Collier had some very positive things to say about his contact. I would hope you go to his youtube videos and have a listen.

[stefaan]

Some claim, or think, they have skills to read bodylanguage. Professional or not. It doesn't matter if you have them or not. If you're so sure of those skills, so you don't have to leave any room for doubt, the chance is very likely, they rather will be blinding instead of serving you.
Mutch so called skills are hyped for while. Books are sold, presentations are giving... And then they die out to make place for the next hype.
Skills can work out as bias, if you're not careful.

There is something like affinity. It makes you like or dislike somebody at first glance. This makes you look at someone with prejudice, not easy to overcome, if ever.
That's a bias.

On this forum there are certain groups. Believers and disbelievers. The ones who only want naked facts. The ones who dispise negative interpretations of whatever. The ones who fear, and those who don't want to fear (but do anyway). The ones who see everything spiritually, who like the ascension scenario's the most. The agitators...
Liking or disliking an interview, will depend on which groups you belong to. The spiritual want spiritual messages. The fact-hungry ones want facts...
That's another bias.

Just some examples. There's enough bias to go around.
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I can imagin after reading the posts in this thread, the next interviewee will be so self-aware, he/she won't know where to look, how to smile, how to behave. Maybe he/she will sit in a cramp, not daring to move at all. He/she will be so busy with him/herself, maybe the content will be disappointing for every one this time.

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Maybe... Kerry Cassidy (the small blond with blue eyes from Casseopia) and Bill (A)Ryan (an aryan, also a small blond - almost white? who knows - from, where was it again ... Andromeda) are here to gather the better seeds amongst the people from planet earth, before earth gets cleaned or plowed over again, to sow the next harvest. If I were you, I would behave at my very best, here in this forum
:wink2:

[Sideshow Shaman]

I like Dick Cheney's half smile better.

Man you are... ah whatever
<i know, i know, don't feed the trolls>

i liked her half smile because it reminded me of ... me.

Although I should mention,
my appearance on video was a bit embarrassing

[china2012]

#3 The Crux

It shall not be despicable to desert a transitory life
Was raising from a stressed and arduous time
Where consolation to thou is inly grief only
From there lack of willingly acquired and thorough knowledge repositories


At the time comes that causes all to relinquish
Shall not be a cause to thy forlorn and despondence
there will be inly excited about to happen
The tremor in welcoming banished servitude and dejectedness
Will make thou a resurrection and a betrayer
To thy very frugal knowledge and wasteful encaged life
Which often with its imprecise and ferocious profusions
Engraved with consternation & commiserated with emptiness


Before then life is a continued silence hoarse
Where sedative existence locked into some tightening knots
Where the city was lived and the food was consumed
Was in fact a binding agreement in Masks or Destiny, whatsoever
Laden with her meagerness and sudden physical pains and tricks
It did not make thy life more like a magical emancipation
It did not make things going on the like importance
It did not help transcend emotional chains stubbornly bonded us with combustion
And that the essential wisdom was in fact some loose opinions


From where, by there a machine was built
where intricated piece of cores spinning her ruffled fate
And high-tech gadgets and all imaginaries of sorts taking place
Tried by every rebellious initiatives upon Midway the journey
Those was found fleeting as piercing drop of light
It did not touch and did not weave a sanctuary for time
But left over bereaved bays, trees and lives of palms
And was known when all flower and lives do close
Will weave the garden for ultimate time repose


#4 The Iconoclast

One reigned supreme regime
Deeds and courageous language Men do use
Is to speak loud without imprecise follies:
When a soul once wakes up to the new influence
Brought to bear upon it is a forward pathway
Opening up for endless improvement
to new dimensions at all directions


By no means it was an accident
Like thou all being pushed come here to learn
to savor a segment of this very eduction:
Effort is inspired by faith, Must live
The image of world is not a swift impetus of torment
Is is a kingdom of pathways to infinite opportunities


Remember sadness makes heart less imaginary
And not to choose the ruined rules with absent remorse
There are many reasons why we shall embrace the learning
Where mighty intellect cyclonic force will be released to happen
A general view of cosmic grandeur and to introduce to minds
There is new life and vast sense field of universal divines
There is individual dire need to create an alternative world
To exceed Them who make us missing opportunities
To set free from the clammy grip of reality seeded way before
There will be no chance to detain or to trip and fall
There will be no need to eulogize or worship Creator as saint any more
For then we all stand alone and free from a judgement seat
There will be a discovery for the Earth and Them to learn
that defeat is as instructive as victory and is not the end of all


#5 The Crossing

When the sweet moment do happen
Thy Spirit will raise from dusty and dark courts and alleys
Travel and speed up in incremental distance at high
A holistic image less fragmented start in forming
At that point you and me will not turn
To watch the dimming Earth left beneath at awful solitude
And the hours will be termed oblivion or more
There will not be memory there once was a Creator
Who tried to levitate all the crippling fear influence
Of helpless watching His crops and belongings sweeping away
In the very true reality, not without sneers & rebuffs
Along with its penalties and responsibilities...
Sweeping and slipping...
They will also be freed


If this skips to happen, once or twice
Soon or later it will be subservient
For if there has no absolutely feverish zest for development
How can anyone hope to live fully an existence?
If the clicking will lead to a reconcile even
We better live our life up to this moment
And pass thou softest tears

---footnote---

17:03 / Sept. 29, 2008

[feeler]

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Maybe... Kerry Cassidy (the small blond with blue eyes from Casseopia) and Bill (A)Ryan (an arian, also a small blond - almost white? who knows - from, where was it again ... Andromeda) are here to gather the better seeds amongst the people from planet earth, before earth gets cleaned or plowed over again, to sow the next harvest. If I were you, I would behave at my very best, here in this forum
:wink2:


What exactly are you saying? The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language? I have already sent email to Kerry and Bill to urge them to read through this thread.

Let's try to use some common sense here and see if the story Miriam told makes sense. Earlier I posted the following question.

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

"We are being followed." "Let them sleep." <== Is this what you would have in mind?

[stefaan]

What exactly are you saying? The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language? ...

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

"We are being followed." "Let them sleep." <== Is this what you would have in mind?

"What exactly are you saying?"
First of all I'm serious and not serious in the same post. Sorry, for the confusing.

The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language?
It's impossible to ignore. But are you sure you can read it properly? I more or less named 3 natural biases we're all subjected to. So I urge you all to be careful, at least a bit, when interpreting what you think you're seeing. We don't have to jump so fast to conclusions, don't we? Is our intuition (or those famous skills) unfallible?

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?
Why would you wake everyone up? Wouldn't you be to busy driving, questioning what is happening, questioning what you're seeing, trying to get away...? In my eyes it is possible you just don't think about waking others up. You're brain goes mad. First maybe you get turned in yourself. And then maybe you shout it out, so everyone wakes up of course, but that's not really on purpose. One will shout, the other won't. Maybe you keep quite, not being sure, and not wanting to be considered a fool, seeing things.
Sorry, I don't see your point and it feels to me you're so sure of yourself, you're starting to see what you want to see. Very natural...

Doubt is healthy, doesn't hurt.

[QueenOfLeon]

I did not find her particularly humble. That was my problem with her, I detected a big ego in there somewhere. I am sure she is a lovely person but I too was underwhelmed to say the least.

[Stephen]

I did not find her particularly humble. That was my problem with her, I detected a big ego in there somewhere. I am sure she is a lovely person but I too was underwhelmed to say the least.
That is a tough call.
Is it Ego? Or is is Confidence in herself?
I do not know. I have to be in the room with her.

I can 'read people' myself. It is a 'vibe thing' for lack of a better term.
What *I* wanted to get out of this interview was a bit more DETAIL!
It was to vague for me....

[feeler]

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?
Why would you wake everyone up? Wouldn't you be to busy driving, questioning what is happening, questioning what you're seeing, trying to get away...? In my eyes it is possible you just don't think about waking others up. You're brain goes mad. First maybe you get turned in yourself. And then maybe you shout it out, so everyone wakes up of course, but that's not really on purpose. One will shout, the other won't. Maybe you keep quite, not being sure, and not wanting to be considered a fool, seeing things.
Sorry, I don't see your point and it feels to me you're so sure of yourself, you're starting to see what you want to see. Very natural...

Doubt is healthy, doesn't hurt.

Both the driver and Miriam recognized that they were consistently followed in the dark. Everyone in the vehicle was in potential danger. And you wouldn't want to wake them up to be on alert mode, to have another set of eyes looking around, watchiing out for everybody, to get ready to get out of the vehicle if necessary? Instead you would just let them sleep past the critical situation?

[Tuza]

I really hope this woman isnt viewing the forum on this topic as a guest, and reading all the posts. She was approached to do this interview and look at what is being said about her, some very negative personal stuff. I would be very deeply hurt if I was her.

[NewParadigmGuy]

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

If I remember correctly Miriam said (or implied) that the ETs put the driver to sleep or somehow made her unconscious. Maybe they had already done the same to the other passengers and Miriam or the driver could not wake them up even if they tried?

[sunnyrap]

If I remember correctly Miriam said (or implied) that the ETs put the driver to sleep or somehow made her unconscious. Maybe they had already done the same to the other passengers and Miriam or the driver could not wake them up even if they tried?
I had a similar experience many years ago. I was driving home for the weekend from college. I was driving my friend's car. It was after midnight and we had been chatting along on what was normally about a 3 hr drive, and he fell silent. I saw a huge glowing ball moving slowly from behind me to about the 11 oclock position. I yelled at him, and when I looked over and saw his head slumped to one side, I reached over and shook at him to 'wake up--look at this!" No response. As the big globe lit up the entire landscape around us, then sunk behind the small mountain range I was driving next to. I remember the incident vividly, but when I look back on it, don't remember even telling him about it when we got where we were going and he dropped me off. In fact, I didn't recall the incident at all for several years after it happened, and something triggered the memory.

[Kate]

I really hope this woman isnt viewing the forum on this topic as a guest, and reading all the posts. She was approached to do this interview and look at what is being said about her, some very negative personal stuff. I would be very deeply hurt if I was her.


Tuza, I agree...it is sad that so many people feel the need to judge and assasinate her 'character'. I am confident that if Miriam does come and look at this thread, she will rise above it in the true 'knowingness' of an old and wise soul !!:original: :thumb_yello:


peace
kate

[Stephen]

Why is it considered that people are assasinating her character by being Skeptical?

Being Skeptical is HEALTHY!

[Kate]

Why is it considered that people are assasinating her character by being Skeptical?

Being Skeptical is HEALTHY!


I do agree...having an open mind and a degree of skepticism is healthy.

This is seperate to the point i was making. alot of people here have been incredibly rude. I do not see the point to this. intelligent people can state their scepticism without direct attack.

[feeler]

If I remember correctly Miriam said (or implied) that the ETs put the driver to sleep or somehow made her unconscious. Maybe they had already done the same to the other passengers and Miriam or the driver could not wake them up even if they tried?

Very good point. Perhaps. As long as the driver, in her sleep (or unconscious state), moved her foot from the gas pedal to the brake pedal, braked, or, more importantly, kept her foot pressed on the brake pedal!

[stefaan]

Scepticism is ok. But be sceptical of your scepticism too.

That whole car-discussion is far fetching as it is. Who says she tought giving every little detail accuratelly was necessary, because it would be scrutinized to the bottom afterwards. Maybe she didn't think the details were that important.
And as I mentioned earlier, with an open mind, I can find many acceptable scenarios that would concur with what she told us.
edit: Anyone has seen the movie Out on a limb, the life story of Shirley McLain? There, the aliens take control of the vehicle, the driver doesn't touch the wheel at all. The movie is hard to find, but recommended. Shirley McLain has a lot of UFO experiences.

It's strange I find myself defending her here now, because me too, I had some moments that didn't feel right.
But I rather give here the benefit of the doubt. If you look at my earlier posts in this thread, you see I have good reason to.

A lot of things are going on during such an interview. Adrenaline. Exitment.
I can also imagin there were moments, she had to find a way to tell us things in a short version, cutting corners. Maybe sometimes changing some facts, or reassembling facts to keep it short. Maybe that's why she looked so much to her left side. When you have to tell a lot in a limited amount of time...
With some empathy you can try to understand what a interview like this is all about. What it does to a person.

[rainman]

Hey, this one has gone too far... I'm feeling too much defensive standpoints, just as we MUST believe in everything and THEN eventually question someones legitimity?!
One more thing is very interesting:
some people are trying to shut up everyone that has something against the "quality" of this intervew by simply trying to explain as "others will run away from talking to camera".
XCuse ME but... we really don't want to hear someones "visions" and hoaxes anymore. Please run if you will talk rubbish for 2 hours.
And where is the problem if she READS this forum as a GUEST, as someone said???
She was "brave" to speak almost nothing for two hours, so she can read "reviews" of her work... maybe this was supposed to be used as a new type of advertising for her book, but they have picked the wrong place!
And the most important thing... regarding Camelot of course:
I don't see Bill or Kerry trying to explain that "greatness" of Miriam yet?!?!?

P.S. This 12 pages are MORE than enough talking about so weak interwiev... we should take it easy, or she will write another book in a week ;)

P.P.S. To this CAROL character:
MODERATOR doesnt mean "god" or "advisor", so stop acting like one, we believe in what we want to believe and your "tone" is almost like you're saying "you will believe" which is VERY BAD, believe ME!

[feeler]

edit: Anyone has seen the movie Out on a limb, the life story of Shirley McLain? There, the aliens take control of the vehicle, the driver doesn't touch the wheel at all.

Why did Miriam yank the steering wheel that the driver was holding? So who was doing the steering? And who was doing the braking?

[feeler]

she had to find a way to tell us things in a short version, cutting corners. Maybe sometimes changing some facts, or reassembling facts to keep it short.

Why are you so ready to accept half truths, manipulation, and deception?

The road to hell is paved with good intention.

[sunnyrap]

You know, it's really, really easy to get romanced by knowledge and technology...and swayed by prediliction. Miriam may have full authenticity, but have worries/doubts about her experience; worries doubts about how she will be taken. And there might really be something askew in her testimony that not even she is aware of. Even the best minds with the purest intentions can bollux things up. And the most scheming, amoral minds can present a squeaky-clean image, because they have no conscience tipping off the sensitives.

When 'truth' is revealed, it's always amazed me how all p.o.v's get validated and the point of conflict invariably turns out to be illusion. You kind of have to witness this first hand to know what I'm pointing to, here. Watch for it. It is a worthy exercise to try and reconcile all the apparent opposing positions beforehand...

I watched her interview and felt quite 'flat'. Meaning, I didn't seem to have an emotional response to it at all. The most I thought was, 'well, guess we'll have to see how this one plays out--I'm not resonating one way or the other'. She left no residue in my head. In many ways, that's a good sign.

[Mummy_bean]

I'm afraid I was one of those people who were concerned about this interview. I felt she had had real experiences but was still trying to make sense of them. I also agree with whoever it was that said she had had some major trauma - clearly. But my main problem is the way in which there seems to be a shift in the way things are being reported. It's one thing to have interviews with whistle-blowers and make these available. THis is important and valid. But what's happening is that Bill and Kerry are making value judgements about what is important, and those interviews are presented as 'fact'.

For the sake of the people who are making their experiences publlic, and for the rest of us - many of us with heads spinning with conflicting info and over-kill - can't this stuff just be presented as 'this is what so and so said in an interview'. Bill and Kerry aren't starting a religion here, but this is where it feels like it's heading, but with no anchor.

So i'm just asking if they'd just say 'here's another interview', rather than 'this is the most important thing we've ever heard please listen.'

Also, I think debate is important, and I think that inspite of people's reservations about this particular interview, the criticism and oubt has been handled really well. If someone's going to make these things public, they have to be prepared to be accountable and for not everyone to like it or feel it's consistent. There's a multitude of world views flying around here. There's room for everyone, and we all have to be prepared to be disagreed with.

Another thing that's bugging me right now is that all this talk of 4th dimensional and superior beings and all that has got to be leaving many of us feeling that as humans we're not worth a whole lot, that our judgement isn't up to much and that we're just floating around in a sea of doubt and pathetic inadequacy as a species.

Don't.

Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law....

This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time.

Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too.

Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm. (I have to add that in most parts of the world it still is.)

Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better.

Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers.


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[Jenny]

"Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law....

This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time.

Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too.

Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm.

Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better.

Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers."


This is sound and sane advice Mummy bean.:original:

In my village a young woman took over a greenhouse 5 years ago and a few acres of land.
She is growing biodynamic vegetables, fruits.
It is tasty and makes me happy to eat it.
She will give classes next spring on How to convert your lawn into a biological garden Without having to eat beans for 2 months.

I have no lawn only a small flowergarden. But even I grow some things myself.
Getting closer to earth.

[moonwalker22]

mummy bean - well said! I would add that anyone who writes a book has to expect some public scrutiny. People are doing exactly what the thread title asks....giving their views. I have spent the last 20 years reading (among other things) every book I could find on the abduction experience. Bud Hopkins books, The Barney and Betty Hill story, Linda Howe's High Strangness, Wheiley Streiber, David mack and many more. These books are full of long and detailed stories of peoples abduction experiences, positive and negative, along with hundreds of pages of alien predictions for the future of our planet. Stories rich in psychological and physical details. Moving accounts of the effect of these encounters on peoples lives and relationships. Miriams experience ( as told in the interview) didn't have the depth and complexity and interest as the majority of the abducties whose stories I have read. I think anyone who has studied this phenomenon extensively may feel the same. That is not a slam on Miriam. Who knows what her life path and lessons are. This thread is asking for views on this interview, and that is what it is.

[Tuza]

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

[moonwalker22]

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.
I agree with you on that point.

[Racsouran]

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.


Well, there is more than words out there in the world we live in, and that is energies. That´s why people more sensitive to them perceive them and react as they feel that woman emanates.

It´s another perspective i think shold be considered, it has nothing to do with being personal or attacking the person, is one step further into perception.

For me this woman emanates an energy completely different from all the other witnesses. And it´s not positive for me. what she is saying as i have read in the responses here as a sinthesis, seems to be completely irrelevant. For me, though.

[Whitewolf]

I watched the interview and was left with mixed feelings about the woman. Much of what she said made sense to me, such as the 4 corners area being an ideal place to be during the coming changes expected to take place. She reached out to the Hopi people which is also a good sign. Too often the indigenous people and their prophesies go ignored by those interested in the coming changes. I believe it's vitally important to hear what they have to say.
As for Miriam, her facial expressions were somewhat intimidating from time to time, such as her eery grin whenever Kerry was asking a question. Her vibe was ambiguous to me, so I'm not ready to form a conclusive judgement on her one way or the other. I do agree with other posters here who believe that it's unwise for Bill and Kerry to make remarks like "this is the most important interview we've conducted", etc. It's setting up a preconceived bias for those who haven't already viewed the exchange which is irresponsible. Let people decide for themselves what "the most important" interview is. After watching the interview, I didn't see it as being any more (or less) important than any other interview I've watched. There was no groundbreaking material contained within that made me reach an epiphany. But I can only speak for myself. Seems that most others here agree.

[stefaan]

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

I agree with this too.

There is no trouble if you have doubts and express them.
I didn't like to have to defend Miriam.
But the way most of you expressed your doubt, and the certainty with which you did...
Let's say, it is not the best example of how humans can deal with each other.
Why cannot we be a little nicer to each other?
Is Miriam a devilish kind of enemy who deserves harsh remarks like she's got here?

Don't confuse this behavior with scepticism

[Heretic]

I wonder how this conversation would have turned out if we had all been physically in the same room together while we had it; including Miriam Delicado.

[stefaan]

I wonder how this conversation would have turned out if we have all been physically in the same room together while we had it; including Miriam Delicado.

Do you think we would have thrown punches at each other, ending up in a battle?
Or maybe we'd all have been as quiet as a mouse?

[googleboy]

@stefaan

did you go to her site?
did you saw gloving button?
is it PURCHASE button?

man, when you examine rock, you can not oversee a universe around ...

I have asked her 3 months ago WHY SHE SELL BOOK IF IT HAS BEEN GIVEN to her to SHARE .... she responded that I should READ whole site and then ask QUESTIONS.

I DID.

afterwards I repaeted my question, why it isnt available as E BOOK for those who can not pay for that kind of knowledge...

that one never got responded.

seriously, can you believe someone that gives you GLIMPSE of knowledge given to her, on her front page and then you are redirected to BOOK BUYING section?

@everybody

who can forbid me to question everyone and everything?
if I see her as a hustler than I m free to SAY that she is one.

[Tuza]

I think if you go to the other interviewee's sites they have the same, you have to buy their books as well, i.e. David Wilcock sells his books. I could go on but I won't,

[googleboy]

I think if you go to the other interviewee's sites they have the same, you have to buy their books as well, i.e. David Wilcock sells his books. I could go on but I won't,

yes you could... but what is you saying?
because DW sells books then Miriam is OK?

dear friend, she HAS BEEN GIVEN knowledge to SHARE those are hers words?

do you see the difference?

I dont buy thesis that MAN HAS TO LIVE FROM SOMETHING ....SO IT MUST SELL something in return ......

just like you stated that DW seling his books I can state that Camelot isnt selling enything,... but that is just stating ...

right?


be well

[Tuza]

Most people with information to share on this or that still sell their books, they don't give them away for free. She was approached to do the interview, she did not go to Bill and Kerry, they went to her. Now having said that, she did give information over in the interview and that was free, but for some reason there has been a suspicion raised by someone on this forum that some parts of that interview were cut for some reason, why I would like to know why. I have asked that question and still have not got an answer. Why some information held back I would like to know.

[googleboy]

Most people with information to share on this or that still sell their books, they don't give them away for free.

nope

that is no excuse for miriam or any other person.

either you SHARE or you SELL ....

well, just imagine, the great outer space nation has approached you
and after while you have been ASKED to SHARE some of their teachings
and instructions with "your" people.

would you be DELIGHTED to SHARE !!!!

would you restrict some of "your" people that you are concern of because
they don't have money .... just imagine!

nobody asks for donating here, so today we have form of E BOOK
you have no expenses .. the OLD story of YOUR expenses doesn't go anymore ...

things are quite simple if eyes are healthy

SELLING is not SHARING - period.

I just HATE persons tryin' to make a buck in these VERY VERY TROUBLED TIMES.

be well
GB

***

[Racsouran]

the idea of living as a writer, without working on a work you HATE to get € to eat, is too tempting for everyone. Even if the book finally ends up being the same that has been said again and agaain.....


hah, maybe that´s one of the reasons i dismiss that option in my case. If i am not correct now, that´s only because im not aware enough of myself to do so.

People demands.... so there are offerers, no matter if those latter are, as always, repeaters of the same patterns.

[eaglespirit]

More and more and more Information IS getting out there, especially through interviews, that would never have been read, watched or heard had not Kerry and Bill put their full effort and lives on the line to do so.

Miriam's interview is simply sharing her own story and says we are not alone and WE can change things through personal self-responsibility and unconditional love and selfless action. It IS up to Us!

I do not understand how anything else gets derived from Her talk. She is passing on information...needed information that will resonate for many, imho. She states time and again to do your own research and gather your own information and follow your heart in these times. She came forward because she was prompted to do so and share with the world that it is time to act and do through her book. She just came forth recently and was not excited at all about giving interviews but put herself on the line to get information out en masse because she was asked to do so, and it is is needed now moreso than ever.

And we ALL should be deciding to do this in our own ways...from the heart...in our own lives especially right now in time whenever we are prompted by Our Own Guidance...getting information to people we love on how to change everything we may to love in front of us right now.

So, peruse and use the information to help yourself...
think and act and do in service to others with unconditional love and wisdom and know that we are not alone and have loving help and we can change everything through active examples of personal self-responsibility and we can actually increase that loving help and balance by increasing our own loving help and balance we put forth moment to moment, person to person in life right in front of us right now. imho

And for goodness sakes...go hug someone you love! : )

[THE eXchanger]

l
What I'd really like to do is interview Kerry. I am sure there is a great story there.

lightwalker

yes, what a great suggestion, i'd love to hear her video

love
susan
the eXchanger

ps; i think there are multiple timelines that are possible/and, potentials
and, how we act/and, how we think,
alters/and, changes it

so, think WELL :trumpet:

[feeler]

I have rewatched one particular segment of Miriam's interview to get a more accurate picture of her story.

After “hours and hours” of being aware that they were being consistently followed – in the dark, and when the lights reappeared again, the three occupants in the back seats were “still sleeping”.

Why didn’t the “very nervous,” uncomfortable driver (or Miriam) alert the occupants “still sleeping” in the back seats regarding the reappearance of the lights behind them?

Can you believe this part of her story?

[Heretic]

Believers require no proof, while skeptics can never have enough.

[googleboy]

Believers require no proof, while skeptics can never have enough.

:shocked: :roll1: :roll1: :roll1:

[feeler]

I have rewatched one particular segment of Miriam's interview to get a more accurate picture of her story.

After “hours and hours” of being aware that they were being consistently followed – in the dark, and when the lights reappeared again, the three occupants in the back seats were “still sleeping”.

Why didn’t the “very nervous,” uncomfortable driver (or Miriam) alert the occupants “still sleeping” in the back seats regarding the reappearance of the lights behind them?

Can you believe this part of her story?

Help wanted - so that I can transition from being a skeptic to a believer.

[milk and honey]

Then I had a client come who was an abductee. I really knew nothing on how to work with someone who was being taken and began to read up on everything I could get my hands on. This client had all of the posttraumatic stress symptoms of someone who had clearly gone through emotional trauma.

... What i've observed is that they (the contactees) tend to form into two groups; those who were taken against their will and often had their memories supressed; and those who were invited and had almost total recal of their experiences
A spiritually oriented being will never abduct or traumatise a human being. The true spiritual teachers of humanity simply don't work like that. In fact, if a person is contacted by a true spiritual adept they have power to give spiritual comfort and put the person at ease.

I don't accept that ANY of these 'alien' abductors are positively motivated, even those who bring positive messages to humanity. Think of the way presidents wrap themselves in the flag and spout the rhetoric of freedom and peace. Think of the way the catholic church hid behind Jesus. So a message itself is not always a reliable indicator of motive and agenda.

We are honored to have such gifted trailblazers guiding us to our birthright. After all, aren’t we made from the stuff of the stars? Don’t you think it’s time we drop our fear like the heavy mantle that it is and walk freely into the light? Don’t you think it is time for us to accept that our star brothers and sisters are real and just waiting for us to find our way to them…. and to welcome them?
Yes it's time to drop our fear and walk into the light but not without our spiritual discernment. Without our internal BS meter we could be walking straight into the same old traps in a different wrapper. The cautionary voices should not be ignored.

Yes aliens are real but their UFOs and metaphiysical messages and prophecies do not magically identify them as the true spiritual teachers of humanity. We have learnt the hard way that it takes more than spiritual rhetoric and external displays of power to define the good guys in this world -- and the next.

Spiritually oriented beings are NOT defined by psychic and technological powers and they do NOT need 'UFOs" to prove their credentials as our spiritual teachers. Except for the "space brother saviors" themselves (most of whom i believe are terrestrial) who can safely say that the UFOs, their occupants' messages and their psychic displays are reliable credentials of spirituality?

Basically, i don't accept them at face value and emotional appeals for me to "claim my birth right" (by embracing ETs) cannot convince me to ignore my intuition, experience and research.

Read this essay for one excellent analysis of the alien presence:

http://montalk.net/notes/overlooked-aspects-of-the-alien-presence

I have also recently read unpublished reports from the Vatican and elsewhere. Aliens are real. They’re here. It’s time to recognize this reality and accept it.
Not many of us would dissagree that aliens are real and are here but that doesn't mean we must accept them. I believe they've been living here for ages and that terrestrial forces are also very actively impersonating them and working hand in glove with them. I don't accept that any of these are positively oriented.

The real spiritual brotherhood is not flaunting space craft technology as a badge of spiritual ID and IMO no-one of any credibility is proclaiming an external intervention by "space brothers'" as even part of the answer to global problems.

Next, it’s time to really sit down and keep listening to Miriam’s interview until new levels of understanding emerge. It’s time to really move beyond fear and be free.
I don't believe Miriam Delicado. Too many red flags in content and presentation. Some have already been mentioned and i've said enough. But just one thing; ALL the synchronicities relating to the Hopi could easily have been pre-concieved and pre-fabricated by the "blondes" who-ever they are.

It is true that we will only be free when we have moved beyond fear, but we must also move beyond spiritual blindness and gullibility. I am a believer in community but i hope in our communities we are not breaking one shackle to clamp another. History is replete with examples of doing just that; one after another and each new promise has left a very sour taste in the mouth.

These great "inevitable" waves of history are always accompanied by gross deciet and euphoria which passes for freedom and truth. "Bread and Land" for the communists... "God and country" for the roman church... "Peace" for the neo-cons... and "Peace, Unity, One World" for us?

For us, peace and oneness is our dream. But for them it is an awful scheme. The schemers always seek to subvert the dreamers to a pre-plan which appeals to our decency. They play our souls' deep longing like a violin.

[Alysse]

:mfr_omg: I don't know who you are, but we're on the same page.

A spiritually oriented being will never abduct or traumatise a human being. The true spiritual teachers of humanity simply don't work like that. In fact, if a person is contacted by a true spiritual adept they have power to give spiritual comfort and put the person at ease.

I don't accept that ANY of these 'alien' abductors are positively motivated, even those who bring positive messages to humanity. Think of the way presidents wrap themselves in the flag and spout the rhetoric of freedom and peace. Think of the way the catholic church hid behind Jesus. So a message itself is not always a reliable indicator of motive and agenda.


Yes it's time to drop our fear and walk into the light but not without our spiritual discernment. Without our internal BS meter we could be walking straight into the same old traps in a different wrapper. The cautionary voices should not be ignored.

Yes aliens are real but their UFOs and metaphiysical messages and prophecies do not magically identify them as the true spiritual teachers of humanity. We have learnt the hard way that it takes more than spiritual rhetoric and external displays of power to define the good guys in this world -- and the next.

Spiritually oriented beings are NOT defined by psychic and technological powers and they do NOT need 'UFOs" to prove their credentials as our spiritual teachers. Except for the "space brother saviors" themselves (most of whom i believe are terrestrial) who can safely say that the UFOs, their occupants' messages and their psychic displays are reliable credentials of spirituality?

Basically, i don't accept them at face value and emotional appeals for me to "claim my birth right" (by embracing ETs) cannot convince me to ignore my intuition, experience and research.

Read this essay for one excellent analysis of the alien presence:

http://montalk.net/notes/overlooked-aspects-of-the-alien-presence


Not many of us would dissagree that aliens are real and are here but that doesn't mean we must accept them. I believe they've been living here for ages and that terrestrial forces are also very actively impersonating them and working hand in glove with them. I don't accept that any of these are positively oriented.

The real spiritual brotherhood is not flaunting space craft technology as a badge of spiritual ID and IMO no-one of any credibility is proclaiming an external intervention by "space brothers'" as even part of the answer to global problems.


I don't believe Miriam Delicado. Too many red flags in content and presentation. Some have already been mentioned and i've said enough. But just one thing; ALL the synchronicities relating to the Hopi could easily have been pre-concieved and pre-fabricated by the "blondes" who-ever they are.

It is true that we will only be free when we have moved beyond fear, but we must also move beyond spiritual blindness and gullibility. I am a believer in community but i hope in our communities we are not breaking one shackle to clamp another. History is replete with examples of doing just that; one after another and each new promise has left a very sour taste in the mouth.

These great "inevitable" waves of history are always accompanied by gross deciet and euphoria which passes for freedom and truth. "Bread and Land" for the communists... "God and country" for the roman church... "Peace" for the neo-cons... and "Peace, Unity, One World" for us?

For us, peace and oneness is our dream. But for them it is an awful scheme. The schemers always seek to subvert the dreamers to a pre-plan which appeals to our decency. They play our souls' deep longing like a violin.

[rainman]

Yes, that is just what I've mentioned yesterday in my post.
This Carol "deity" is trying VERY HARD to sound spiritual and uber-smart, maybe she's preparing a book or two too?! ;)

I'm sorry, but am I the only one here who is beginning to feel some sort of attempted indoctrination by the moderators and maybe "owners" of this site/forum?
I really thought this site supposed to be free and friendly place, but as days go by, some "higher leveled" members are obviously much more than "moderators" here...
(BTW, I still can't find the greatness of Miriam Delicado, help, anyone?)

[Racsouran]

Yes, that is just what I've mentioned yesterday in my post.
This Carol "deity" is trying VERY HARD to sound spiritual and uber-smart, maybe she's preparing a book or two too?! ;)

I'm sorry, but am I the only one here who is beginning to feel some sort of attempted indoctrination by the moderators and maybe "owners" of this site/forum?
I really thought this site supposed to be free and friendly place, but as days go by, some "higher leveled" members are obviously much more than "moderators" here...

Carol "deity".... man....:roftl:

indoctrination is everywhere, if we refuse we are the bad ones, works that childishly.

[Imzady]

I'm afraid I was one of those people who were concerned about this interview. I felt she had had real experiences but was still trying to make sense of them. I also agree with whoever it was that said she had had some major trauma - clearly. But my main problem is the way in which there seems to be a shift in the way things are being reported. It's one thing to have interviews with whistle-blowers and make these available. THis is important and valid. But what's happening is that Bill and Kerry are making value judgements about what is important, and those interviews are presented as 'fact'.

For the sake of the people who are making their experiences publlic, and for the rest of us - many of us with heads spinning with conflicting info and over-kill - can't this stuff just be presented as 'this is what so and so said in an interview'. Bill and Kerry aren't starting a religion here, but this is where it feels like it's heading, but with no anchor.

So i'm just asking if they'd just say 'here's another interview', rather than 'this is the most important thing we've ever heard please listen.'

Also, I think debate is important, and I think that inspite of people's reservations about this particular interview, the criticism and oubt has been handled really well. If someone's going to make these things public, they have to be prepared to be accountable and for not everyone to like it or feel it's consistent. There's a multitude of world views flying around here. There's room for everyone, and we all have to be prepared to be disagreed with.

Another thing that's bugging me right now is that all this talk of 4th dimensional and superior beings and all that has got to be leaving many of us feeling that as humans we're not worth a whole lot, that our judgement isn't up to much and that we're just floating around in a sea of doubt and pathetic inadequacy as a species.

Don't.

Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law....

This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time.

Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too.

Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm. (I have to add that in most parts of the world it still is.)

Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better.

Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers.


:original:

Hmmm, my sentiments exactly but only more eloquently spoken than I can. This interview did ring less trye in my head than the other did when I heard them for the first time. Maybe I am a litlle over exposed (and allergic) to the spiritual developement journey etc. Thank you!

[clarkkent]

this is the last thing ill say on miriam-

i believe anyone that has been contacted and told messianic "visions" to tell humanity should be viewed with the heaviest skeptism.

these messages have the same agenda as the evening news -danger danger-fear -fear- flee for your lives- you are destructive.

well gee thanks alien visitor i can see why your so enlightened, anyone can figure out that cities are dangerous in times of chaos, anyone with half a brain can tell you society is on a crash course of self destruction.

these "message aliens" as ill call them deliver trite FOX news worthy statements that offer no solutions other than "your all screwed, whoever can run to the hills might not die....okay bye humans, tell everyone what i said eventhough im smart enough to know .0001% of your species will believe it.
okay bye again"

add to this they look like hitlers master race with little grey slaves and i think you should look at their fear laced evening news report, and link it to the same sources that say the same ****, namely our own government.

our own government has back engineered real UFO craft and can use powerful psy op tech and drugs to make you think whatever they wanted. and if its not our own gov doing it than i would suspect theyre beings with a deceptive agenda. TRUE benevolent evolved beings wouldnt tell us what to do, and if they had a message i would think it would be more interesting than something most everybody knows about society anyways.

i believe their is legitimate contact but that it is EXTREMELY rare and there's no genetic manipulation or "message" its purely a benevolent "hello"

[BPhill]

this is the last thing ill say on miriam-

i believe anyone that has been contacted and told messianic "visions" to tell humanity should be viewed with the heaviest skeptism.

these messages have the same agenda as the evening news -danger danger-fear -fear- flee for your lives- you are destructive.

well gee thanks alien visitor i can see why your so enlightened, anyone can figure out that cities are dangerous in times of chaos, anyone with half a brain can tell you society is on a crash course of self destruction.

these "message aliens" as ill call them deliver trite FOX news worthy statements that offer no solutions other than "your all screwed, whoever can run to the hills might not die....okay bye humans, tell everyone what i said eventhough im smart enough to know .0001% of your species will believe it.
okay bye again"

add to this they look like hitlers master race with little grey slaves and i think you should look at their fear laced evening news report, and link it to the same sources that say the same ****, namely our own government.

our own government has back engineered real UFO craft and can use powerful psy op tech and drugs to make you think whatever they wanted. and if its not our own gov doing it than i would suspect theyre beings with a deceptive agenda. TRUE benevolent evolved beings wouldnt tell us what to do, and if they had a message i would think it would be more interesting than something most everybody knows about society anyways.

i believe their is legitimate contact but that it is EXTREMELY rare and there's no genetic manipulation or "message" its purely a benevolent "hello"

I agree with the main gist of what you stated, which by my understanding is succinctly contained within the last line of your post. Although I do believe messages come through I do think that it is only a very, VERY small percentage which come through in an undistorted fashion.

[Lotus]

The trigger for me was, “this may be one of the most powerful and important interviews we have done.” I was primed for something “earth-shattering.” But the reality for some of us was nothing new, which generated puzzlement about the build up emphasis, and probably resulted in more intense scrutiny than usual.

We’re obviously living in intense times where it’s easy to hit the panic button. Emotions are high – particularly anxiety. Our radar is up, scanning for truth. So some of us were moved by the Miriam interview, others not so. While I’m in the not moved camp, I truly appreciate this forum and Bill & Kerry’s dedication to peering behind the curtain.

Eagerly anticipating the next revelation!

[crowmirror]

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[Racsouran]

true benevolent and evolved spiritually beings wouldn´t interfere at all with us. Because they want us to learn to walk by ourselves. Seems to be the new religious measures for times in wich old ways become useless. It´s like recognicing, that nothing has changed, in all history; and the evidence, points to the same direction, people keep asking for new religion dogmas. In times of desperation, desperate people need truth from outside themselves. So their own desperation is their own trap, in wich they fall praying for salvation.

It´s there any difference with any religion, than what it´s being exponsored here, at avalon?: NO, there is not.

Basically, the promotion of fear, and the offering of a solution by those who promote fear: the creators of all this. So, i am not being skeptic, i am being conscious of what is happening here, wich probably little would understand.

so all this channeling stuff seems deceitful to an extent.

Kerry and Bill have commited definitively a mistake with this interview. Or at least on how much importance they had given to it. It made many people raise on alert and doubt about this all in a such evident and ovbious manner, that many people here felt insulted by that evidence; well, the believers, who resonate positively with that.

But, there are people, good people, with good intentions, who resonated negatively with that and is not being accepted, but it is there.

if the leaders of this are proven to be spiritually not as strong as expected, with this as a tiny sign, this castle of cards built here would fall as soon as i imagine it will probably fall.

Remember, this is a castle of cards, whatsoever.

[dumatavus]

another great interview by Kerry & Bill...:trumpet: but this time with a strong & urgent Message. is there any follow-up with this very impt. interview? i hope so since some of her message needs further exploration...peace!

[Many Lightenings]

I thought her interview to be straight from the head.
There was NO Heart in her message. It was very linear and left brain.

This is a script that even the X-files would of thrown out. Just goofy.

She had those weird and not appropiate facial expressions to what she was actually talking about. You know, that kind of smirky thing? Bush and Blair do it all the time. Easy to see.

I know we have big stuff going on and have to do something about it now....I don't think she is it. She is lying.
Everyone.... you have to keep your antenne up and get savvy to our opponents malarky.
Really good people are out there.
Look inside yourself. You will see that you do know the truth.

[Princess Mew Mew]

Alright.. I'm gonna start off by saying. Before I saw her video interview, I had bad feelings. I found myself looking at youtube videos about an important message about October 14th. That we'll all see ships in masses, now while I don't doubt this could happen, I cannot say I trust who's in those ships because I, literally, don't know who is in those UFO's.. Anyway.. I found myself on Project Camelot and then onto Miriams website, which looked too business-like to me..and I read her sample chapter. That chapter explains her experience of driving back home and being chased by lights and then finally being taken by the hand to the Tall Blondes..I then watched Miriam's interview on YouTube and it just didn't resonate with me. I'd say... maybe 10% of what she said, resonated with me.. But the rest of it was, in my opinion, creepy.

I haven't read everything everyone has said in this topic yet but from what I've read, I agree a lot with clarkkent and a few others. Regardless of that, what I felt about this woman wasn't good. Her facial expressions, her eyes, her movements, I couldn't trust any part of her. This is not to say I was over analyzing, I just happened to look at her at these moments (I wasn't paying full attention to watching the video but I was mostly listening). Anyway.. this is really hard for me to explain, it's always hard for me to explain what I feel.. And this is gonna seem off topic but I think this is important for a reason I'm not sure of.. I've personally been seeing the number 13 a lot, also seeing 11:11 and such, not thinking much of it. I later came to understand for myself that this is a map of sorts, an indication of consistency.. I have been seeing the number 13 in what I do, everyday for about 3 weeks now.. Everyday going to the store, no matter what I bought, my total was coming out to 13 dollars. I've never thought of 13 as a bad luck number, just to get that clear. Anyway.. and thank you for your patience, the last few days, I've been seeing 13 a hell of a lot more.. And well.. this post just adds to that. I happened to look at this topic today, not knowing, but quickly seeing, that there are 13 pages on this topic so far.. I still don't understand exactly why I'm seeing this, I might be following some kind of numerical path, I'm confused..

Moving along.. this woman, although it seems her story or experience may be true, like many have said, it brings nothing new. And it brings me sadness to think that there are people here on earth who think they're just going to go off with their 'brothers and sisters' and be merry. That these beings keep saying that they are of Light and Love. Why must they proclaim this so much? Why was this woman told to finally write a book? Why was this woman seemingly forced, almost without will as she has stated in her sample chapter, onto the ship? Why did these Nordic type beings tell her to buy that necklace, why did they tell her "It is important to you" Who are these beings to tell anyone what is or isn't important to us? Who are they to tell us what to do? I'm not trying to sound rebellious or anything but when I look at what she's telling us, it sounds demanding, it sounds wrong. It doesn't feel right to me at all. According to her, they are the keepers of higher knowledge, I'm sorry.. I will not believe that. We are all ONE, we are soul, we are love. And we all emanate from the Creator. And I just can't believe that any other beings would have knowledge any higher than what we have within us all from our higher selves.

I have looked at a lot of Alex Collier's interviews and he always reminds us that he is only sharing their perspective. And as far as I'm concerned, these beings aren't trying to tell us what to do. Only suggesting. But this interview didn't give anything significant, if anything, I am extremely suspicious of it. It sounds like all she is doing is story telling, she doesn't have much to say about the Tall Blondes and I find it highly suspicious that she doesn't know where they're from, I think it's wrong for them to know EXACTLY where she's driving in a car, yet.. she knows nothing of their origins? Sounds like secrecy, sounds like what I call a 'mystery wrapped in bacon'. Tall Blondes look appealing? But they're still a mystery. In my humble opinion, this looks like foul play. And if these E.T.'s that have contacted her, happen to be malevolent, then shame on them. Alex Collier said the best place to hide a lie is between two truths. I cannot listen so much to someone's words as I must listen to their energy, their frequency, because it always speaks much louder. Also, I couldn't help but notice I was hearing words that she wasn't saying?? Perhaps she is saying some other things in her reversed speech?

Ah well I'll end it here. May the force be with you :original: And I love you all *hugs all around*

[Racsouran]

you are quite right Princess. I don´t think none of us, or at least, the majority of us , were trying to over analizing the way in wich that woman was expressing herself, and the energy that it came through that.

First, remembered Neuro Linguistic Programming to me, used by all media tvs: DANGER sign.

The rest have been explained already here.

It happens that we have found a powerful manipulator in that interview who didn´t made any of us stay without provoking thoughts on the energy it emanates: it´s clear that the energy was manipulative.

Going to a far extent, i would say that woman is simply an agent. But well is just my opinion, speculation, supposition.


If you, Princess, are afraid of expressing your oppinion, is that there is something terribly wrong in here.


what i think is how most of you could have suffered the 1 hour 44 minutes seeing that while i couldn´t last a few minutes of it.

[Princess Mew Mew]

you are quite right Princess. I don´t think none of us, or at least, the majority of us , were trying to over analizing the way in wich that woman was expressing herself, and the energy that it came through that.

First, remembered Neuro Linguistic Programming to me, used by all media tvs: DANGER sign.

The rest have been explained already here.

It happens that we have found a powerful manipulator in that interview who didn´t made any of us stay without provoking thoughts on the energy it emanates: it´s clear that the energy was manipulative.

Going to a far extent, i would say that woman is simply an agent. But well is just my opinion, speculation, supposition.


If you, Princess, are afraid of expressing your oppinion, is that there is something terribly wrong in here.


what i think is how most of you could have suffered the 1 hour 44 minutes seeing that while i couldn´t last a few minutes of it.

Thank you for considering my opinions. Though I can understand that others feel that her video resonates with them, I basically wanted to share my feelings towards the whole picture. Though I didn't suffer through the video in any way, it just didn't resonate with me, it was creepy and unsettling. Emptiness is what I saw in her eyes, manipulation and control is what she seems to emanate to me. She seems to stress an urgency to believe they are good. What's also strange to me is that her story is so dramatic. Being chased by lights, being told right before not to be afraid. Perhaps she was told not to be afraid so that she would ignore her true feelings? Why would they tell her not to be afraid? Shouldn't she decide that for herself? With respect.. shouldn't they leave that choice up to her? Or are they using her free will of choice against her? I can never doubt anyone's intelligence, I have encountered many manipulative persons. I, myself, have been extremely manipulative towards others, we continue these cycles, blindly, until awareness clears the veil. She had, in my opinion, some very truthful things to say, but she, to me, seemed unsure of herself, unsure of these beings. As much as she is sharing this, she seems to either be hiding something, or she isn't fully confident in what she is speaking about. I think what I'm trying to say is.. It looked to me, she lacked confidence in her words. I felt I couldn't connect with this woman, that I couldn't trust her, or rather, that I shouldn't trust her. To my knowledge, it is very risky to speak to any being or beings in the ethereal realm. I believe that many of us have the ability to see the possibilities of the future, from my own experiences. Regardless, if anything, she is sharing her perspective, and I don't trust it enough to make it one of my beliefs..

Love, Peace, Harmony. May the force be with you :huglove:


Edit: I'm sorry guys... this whole interview thing is really starting to give me the chills, I can't get it out of my mind. I've been doing some more thinking... And if you guys read everything on her website, and you look at everything she says in her interview, there's just something NOT right about this whole thing. There's something seriously wrong with this picture. I have come to the conclusion, that she is being heavily manipulated. That I cannot assume these beings are good AT ALL. And infact, it seems they are using her free will of choice against her. She even explains at one point that she seemed to go into a trance-like state and just did what they told her to do. To me, it seems, these Tall Blondes or whoever they are, are not here to help us and infact they are masters of manipulation of the mind, of the brain. She mentions the radio signal acting strangely in the car. (Brain waves, radio waves, manipulation?). I'd appreciate anyones view on this, thank you so much. Love and peace :)

[feeler]

I thought her interview to be straight from the head.
There was NO Heart in her message. It was very linear and left brain.

This is a script that even the X-files would of thrown out. Just goofy.

She had those weird and not appropiate facial expressions to what she was actually talking about. You know, that kind of smirky thing? Bush and Blair do it all the time. Easy to see.

I know we have big stuff going on and have to do something about it now....I don't think she is it. She is lying.
Everyone.... you have to keep your antenne up and get savvy to our opponents malarky.
Really good people are out there.
Look inside yourself. You will see that you do know the truth.


Yes goofy to the max. This tall blond blue-eye white alien race is playing god, creating lives and let them go extinct if these life forms are too 'simple' or too 'grotesque' for their liking.

I wonder who can fall asleep in the back seat knowing the vehicle has just been followed in the dark - for "hours and hours." How can anyone be so sure, thinking "we lost them" and just fall asleep? In her story, not one, not two, but all three occupants in the back seat fell asleep.

Yes I am a skeptic; otherwise I'd have believed the "Adam and Eve with an apple" story, or the "19 hijackers with box cutters" story.

[clarkkent]

QUOTE- Edit: I'm sorry guys... this whole interview thing is really starting to give me the chills, I can't get it out of my mind. I've been doing some more thinking... And if you guys read everything on her website, and you look at everything she says in her interview, there's just something NOT right about this whole thing. There's something seriously wrong with this picture. I have come to the conclusion, that she is being heavily manipulated. That I cannot assume these beings are good AT ALL. And infact, it seems they are using her free will of choice against her. She even explains at one point that she seemed to go into a trance-like state and just did what they told her to do. To me, it seems, these Tall Blondes or whoever they are, are not here to help us and infact they are masters of manipulation of the mind, of the brain. She mentions the radio signal acting strangely in the car. (Brain waves, radio waves, manipulation?). I'd appreciate anyones view on this, thank you so much. Love and peace :)[/QUOTE]
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hey there, here is a voice that has not been represented on PC or here whatsoever. if anything i find his demeanor and thoughts like the calm in a sea of fear. i connect to this material more than others and certainly more than miriam "bluestar"

its long you can skip to the middle to see what he says about nordics and the like.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7158929399739557807

[Racsouran]

Edit: I'm sorry guys... this whole interview thing is really starting to give me the chills, I can't get it out of my mind. I've been doing some more thinking... And if you guys read everything on her website, and you look at everything she says in her interview, there's just something NOT right about this whole thing. There's something seriously wrong with this picture. I have come to the conclusion, that she is being heavily manipulated. That I cannot assume these beings are good AT ALL. And infact, it seems they are using her free will of choice against her. She even explains at one point that she seemed to go into a trance-like state and just did what they told her to do. To me, it seems, these Tall Blondes or whoever they are, are not here to help us and infact they are masters of manipulation of the mind, of the brain. She mentions the radio signal acting strangely in the car. (Brain waves, radio waves, manipulation?). I'd appreciate anyones view on this, thank you so much. Love and peace :)


I don´t think you are wrong about that but, it´s not surprising to me. New age stuff usually has a core of truth embedded on a truly huge sea of perversions, that´s why most of us fall to it.

Usually also, i talk here only to warn about such deceits, but only because i sense they are deceitful, not by anything more. Now ironically, this site is based on that fallacy. Unless the creators admit they are wrong. But, as usual, i feel they won´t admit anything except that they are doing the right things, like politicians, and religious leaders, because what matters is to sell image. How fool it sounds. :welcomeani: to reality.

[feeler]

I then watched Miriam's interview on YouTube and it just didn't resonate with me. I'd say... maybe 10% of what she said, resonated with me.. But the rest of it was, in my opinion, creepy.


I wasn't creeped out; quite the opposite, I enjoyed watching her. She is an attractive lady. But enjoying and believing are two different things.




I have looked at a lot of Alex Collier's interviews and he always reminds us that he is only sharing their perspective. And as far as I'm concerned, these beings aren't trying to tell us what to do.


Me too. I read Alex Collier's free book. www.exopolitics.org/collier-dsg1.pdf A good read. Highly recommended (to others).

"Alex, the love that you withhold is the pain that you carry, lifetime after lifetime." -Vasais

[Princess Mew Mew]

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hey there, here is a voice that has not been represented on PC or here whatsoever. if anything i find his demeanor and thoughts like the calm in a sea of fear. i connect to this material more than others and certainly more than miriam "bluestar"

its long you can skip to the middle to see what he says about nordics and the like.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7158929399739557807

Thank you, I am currently watching this video and enjoying it so far n_n I wanted to quote a couple things from Miriam's website

"Do not be afraid, I kept hearing in my head. Do not be afraid. Get out of the car. I reached for the door handle and slowly opened the car door. It was like watching my body; I had no control. Why am I getting out of the car? I thought. It was like I was standing beside myself watching what I was doing while my brain couldn’t communicate with my body."

I found that quite odd.

Here's another quote from her sample chapter

"I walked into the house with my bags and took them up to my room. As I took my coat off I looked down at my favourite beige shirt. There was some sort of black smear on it. As soon as I noticed it I slipped back into a robotic state. I took the shirt off and put it directly in the garbage. Not only did I put it in the garbage but I also took it to the bin outside. Why? I kept asking myself even as I was doing it: it was my favourite shirt. Why not try to clean it? Even Sally tried to get me to attempt to clean it first, but I got angry with her so she dropped the subject.

After disposing of the shirt I went back up to my room. There was a dull ache on the right side of my abdomen. When I looked down at the area I noticed a round red spot about two inches in diameter. In the center there was what appeared to be an incision. Once again I heard a voice in my head. It was telling me, Do not to look at it again. Leave it alone and it will go away. There is no need to be concerned. I put my nightshirt on and didn’t look at it again for months."

I think i've said enough. Thanks again to everyone and may you be full of love <3 :original:

[dragonfly]

Edit: I'm sorry guys... this whole interview thing is really starting to give me the chills, I can't get it out of my mind. I've been doing some more thinking... And if you guys read everything on her website, and you look at everything she says in her interview, there's just something NOT right about this whole thing. There's something seriously wrong with this picture. I have come to the conclusion, that she is being heavily manipulated. That I cannot assume these beings are good AT ALL. And infact, it seems they are using her free will of choice against her. She even explains at one point that she seemed to go into a trance-like state and just did what they told her to do. To me, it seems, these Tall Blondes or whoever they are, are not here to help us and infact they are masters of manipulation of the mind, of the brain. She mentions the radio signal acting strangely in the car. (Brain waves, radio waves, manipulation?). I'd appreciate anyones view on this, thank you so much. Love and peace :)


Exactly my point ...bottom page 4 of this thread. Excuse me, page 6 it is. This is one full thread! wow

Google or youtube MKUltra - Stewart Swerdlow - Monarch Project and more to learn more about the mind manipulation that has been going on on us for many years. Much is being triggered right now!! It is a feeling of mine that these tall perfect blonds are trying to ensure their own existance in the ....Future? Hummm. Good or bad aliens, I doubt any of them want this whole planet dead. (Just 80% of us brown eyes) It is resourceful for them as well. But, taking it from us by any means is wrong!

Only a few folks have mentioned Allies of Humanity on this forum. I highly recomend absorbing the info, for discernment at least. You can also listen to some Youtube verbal readings of the material if your overloaded with reading, as I sometimes am. My eyes are sore.:yikes:

www.alliesofhumanity.org

[clarkkent]

Here's another quote from her sample chapter


After disposing of the shirt I went back up to my room. There was a dull ache on the right side of my abdomen. When I looked down at the area I noticed a round red spot about two inches in diameter. In the center there was what appeared to be an incision. Once again I heard a voice in my head. It was telling me, Do not to look at it again. Leave it alone and it will go away. There is no need to be concerned. I put my nightshirt on and didn’t look at it again for months."

I think i've said enough. Thanks again to everyone and may you be full of love <3 :original:

there you go! sounds like perfect "MK-ultra" style mental programming replete with some invasive surgery. whether it was aliens or our government posing as them, you can toss her story out with that little excerpt convienently left out of the interview. does mind control and surgery sound "benevolent" to anyone? im surprised bill and kerry give so much validity to this woman especially considering kerry read her book and was aware of the passage you quoted.

guess everybodies intuition about miriam being "off" was spot on.

[Princess Mew Mew]

My goodness... I pray for this woman, as I pray for everyone with love. May she be filled with the purest of love, may we all see with eyes unclouded. I love you all so much. More than the limitations of our spoken languages could ever explain :original: May the force (love) be with you <3

[Racsouran]

love spent to the air is not the solution to everything.

[clarkkent]

My goodness... I pray for this woman, as I pray for everyone with love. May she be filled with the purest of love, may we all see with eyes unclouded. I love you all so much. More than the limitations of our spoken languages could ever explain :original: May the force (love) be with you <3

hey :) may the force be with you too!

we need some serious jedi's in the coming years heheheh, for real.

[Princess Mew Mew]

love spent to the air is not the solution to everything.

I'm sorry I don't quite understand. Could you explain what you mean? Thank you :original:

[Racsouran]

I'm sorry I don't quite understand. Could you explain what you mean? Thank you :original:

to make others feel the love you talk about is not wishing them to feel what you want them to feel. Hare krishna is a waste of time.

if you want others to feel love, you will have to implicate yourself with them personally, emotionally, intimately; you will have to use your time, your energy, and your life to MAKE LOVE with them personally.

Otherwise you are only preaching wishful thinking.

[cantaloupe]

I got the sense that Ms. Delicado was self consciously trying to speak in a way that conveyed great wisdom and knowledge (maybe she was nervous) but all the while I was asking, "where's the beef"? I can judge for myself whether something is fascinating. She may be well intentioned, but something was off about this one for me- just didn't seem very real. And after the billing the interview received, I was feeling like I missed something.
I am suspicious of any ET's with interventionist tendencies. I agree with the view that there's life out there, and lots of it. Why wouldn't those beings belong to the same spectrum of "good and evil" that we all do? And, couldn't they be in a competitive search for resources just like us? How about the axiom as above, so below?
There wasn't much in this interview that I found particularly valuable, though, again, it's possible that her intentions were good.
My powers of discernment are growing and it seems like you, my compadres are experiencing the same. These are exactly the skills we need because it is also possible that her intentions were not good- just possible.
Try to be kind and respectful.

[Princess Mew Mew]

to make others feel the love you talk about is not wishing them to feel what you want them to feel. Hare krishna is a waste of time.

if you want others to feel love, you will have to implicate yourself with them personally, emotionally, intimately; you will have to use your time, your energy, and your life to MAKE LOVE with them personally.

Otherwise you are only preaching wishful thinking.

I see what you mean (I could be wrong though). I'm personally not trying to preach wishful thinking. I think I understand you are taking my hope as wishful thinking? I have hope, it's my own hope. And I pray with love (I meditate and send my love energy throughout) I personally think it's hard for many people to say "I love you" to just anyone. But I refuse to hate, I refuse to be angered, I send my love (which is a frequency as all things are, to my understanding) to everyone and everything. What is tough, is being in a constant space of love. I have helped many of my friends feel love, emotionally and physically "chi gung". As I am helping those around me, I also wish to help those I cannot be with physically. I agree with you and I understand that it is important for those to truely 'feel' it, though they can only do this for themselves ultimately. You have said above, I quote "to make others feel the love you talk about" This, to me, is incorrect. I could never make anyone feel anything they didn't want to feel for themselves. I would never want to make anyone do anything. I do not have or want that kind of authority or power or control. No thanks. I hope I've cleared things up and I appreciate and thank you for your views and opinions, love and peace <3 :original:

[clarkkent]

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[Princess Mew Mew]

Though I appreciate the intent, I don't need, nor want anyone to 'stick up' for me. I am fine. And I am not upset at anything being said here. Whether a person accepts it or not, I will show my love. It need not be accepted and others may challenge it if they so wish. What is happening now, is unnecessary. We need not point any fingers and it seems things are getting personal. I hope this can end right now. Please be at one <3 :original:

[Racsouran]

I don't need, nor want anyone to 'stick up' for me. I am fine. And I am not upset at anything being said here. What is happening now, is unnecessary. We need not point any fingers and it seems things are getting personal. I hope this can end right now. Please be at one <3 :original:

this guy called clarc quent insulted me for free so its not my fault . hahah so he ended being what he didn´t desired to be.

[clarkkent]

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[Carol]

to make others feel the love you talk about is not wishing them to feel what you want them to feel. Hare krishna is a waste of time.

if you want others to feel love, you will have to implicate yourself with them personally, emotionally, intimately; you will have to use your time, your energy, and your life to MAKE LOVE with them personally.

Otherwise you are only preaching wishful thinking.

There are many different types of love. Passionate as in Eros and endearing friendship is in Aggape.

In various spiritual practices the master loves the student with all of one's heart. This is the love that flows through the heart from heavenly realms.

Those who have visions of saints, masters, christ, buddha, Our Lady, etc. all experience love as all encompassing and all embracing. Those who choose a spiritual path have an opportunity to transcend Eros and transmute it into Aggape. Think of a stick... Eros on one end and Aggape on the other. One is always on the stick yet can change their location with intention and great heart. Be not harsh with those who have had different experiences then yourself. Instead be open to the difference and allow yourself the possibility of experiencing something new.

[Racsouran]

:sleep_1:

[Artycarl]

I watched the whole interview and in common with a number of people was not totally impressed by Miriam. I have an enormous monitor so I like to have the interviews playing in full screen and it helps me focus, not only on the words but how they are spoken. Thanks to some nice zooming by Bill and Kerry we had a very good view of her face at certain times during the interview and my impression was that she is a genuine person but I suspect her story has been embellished in parts.

I would say that she HAS had an important experience but to 'flesh' it out for a book she has called on other things that perhaps she has heard or read elsewhere.

I fall back on my personal theory that it is the message and not the messenger that is important and in this respect it is a message that I think everyone here can relate to.

Massive respect once again to Bill and Kerry for bringing these issues to our doorstep.

[Kate]

Racsouran, Clark Kent, Princess mewmew,

This thread is now decending into a 'slang n hang' match . NOT ACCEPTABLE!

I think this is enough now.

move on folks...much bigger issues at hand going on to debate and contribute to in other threads!

your postings will be removed if this continues.

[lawlessline]

one thing that is puzzling me about the interview. I think Miriam says that she was taken into some of the underground bases, or what would seem underground bases, and then told by her contacts to stay away from there for it could be dangerous. If this is the case, what was her contracts doing there and why would they take her there if it was dangerous? Sounds a bit close to the bone for me.

[Accipiter_Phi]

Lets keep it relevant to the thread

[Racsouran]

why it´s not an option to delete my own posts¿?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

A litttle more on this. (We've been on the road for several days and so I've only just caught up on the very interesting range of views here.)

On page 4 of this thread (a long time ago!) I wrote this...

It seems obvious that we are in very deep trouble on this planet and have failed miserably in our own human responsibility to be stewards of all that's around us.

The problems of 'ordinary' human greed and short-sightedness have been exacerbated by the agendas of various control factions that have been around for quite a long time. But a lot of it is our own doing, too.

There's a great danger that we're going to blow it as the human race (or this version of it).

It's not quite too late - but it's perilously close. James Lovelock, the originator of the Gaia model, now says that the Earth is too damaged to be able to repair itself properly (my paraphrase).

Resources (oil, minerals, water, food) are becoming depleted and scarce. The world's population is growing at the rate of an additional city per day. All this would be worrying enough if the world's leaders were actually trying to handle these problems, but they are not: they are obsessed with perverted ideas of destiny and power and regard you and me as pawns on a giant chessboard to be sacrificed at will.

So if I were a member of a powerful, benevolent, Guardian race (and I'm sure they exist, maybe in many different forms) I'd be concerned too. I think they might intervene - but only at the eleventh hour and in limited ways. We may live to find out.

It seems certain that some people are being prepared, in some way, for something. You, reading this, are the only arbiter of whether or not this may apply to you.

... and it still stands.

Of course, we're not trying to persuade anyone to believe anything. (We still get e-mails every day about Blossom Goodchild. We despair!)

It was Kerry who first contacted Miriam earlier this year. I was skeptical - despite having had my own contact experiences back in the 1980s. I am always very wary of information like this. I do consider myself to be skeptical in the very sense as brilliantly defined by Bernie Haisch:

[A sleptic is] one who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

When I met Miriam a few days before the interview, I was instantly struck by her honesty and integrity, which shone through her in our private meeting. I felt a strong personal connection with her (as did Kerry from the very start, but that was the first time I had met her).

She's a strong presenter on camera, but this belies her sensitivity: after the cameras were turned off she was in tears for several minutes, such was the intensity of the previous couple of hours for her.

While those were private moments, it seems that for some that kind of outtake might have been valuable to help evaluate her sincerity and vulnerability.

The text describing the interview (before it was published) was written by me. Kerry had thought it might be a little too strongly worded. The reason I'm relating all this here is to share my own personal journey relative to Miriam's testimony: starting out doubtful and wondering where Kerry was going with this... and ending up paying extremely close attention to her story, which I continue to do. I'm delighted we met her and interviewed her and I am convinced her story is important.

Very best to all, Bill

[Racsouran]

Good for you, for me all remains the same and it´s my responsability to accept my feelings on that.

The emphasizing of "deep" emotions, and emotional states in a text is enough reason to make me doubt. well i never trusted anything, besides that; i only read to take probabilities into account.

[googleboy]

a spiritually oriented being will never abduct or traumatise a human being. The true spiritual teachers of humanity simply don't work like that. In fact, if a person is contacted by a true spiritual adept they have power to give spiritual comfort and put the person at ease.



.. r > e > s > p > e > c >t !!!

[Bill Ryan]

Good for you, for me all remains the same and it´s my responsability to accept my feelings on that.

The emphasizing of "deep" emotions, and emotional states in a text is enough reason to make me doubt. well i never trusted anything, besides that; i only read to take probabilities into account.

Yes, it is your responsibility... I appreciate your acknowledging that. Some people don't.

I also appreciate your skepticism. Suggested guidelines:

1) Never let skepticism slide into cynicism.

2) Always be respectful of others' views (as I am of yours here).

3) Never be afraid to change your mind if the evidence leads you that way.

4) Don't get stuck in an intellectual position which you then have to defend.

5) If The Project Avalon Forum is not the right place for you (which is primarily intended to be solution- and action-based), then there are many other good places for you to debate and discuss your views.

Very best, Bill

[kay]

http://www.projectcamelot.org/miriam_delicado.html


THIS HOPI article MOST certainly goes along with the above Miriam D interview on Camelot, worth reading:

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/erriuc/aroundtheworld/1184959140/tpod.html

[STARCHILD]

Greetings!
THANKYOU from the heart Kay,for the HOPI article.
It is absolutely wonderful.
The HOPI PRAYER FOR PEACE was stunningly beautiful!!
This article is the perfect accompaniment to the Miriam Delicardo interview.(which by the way was one of my favourites so far.Dan Burisch still my no.1 x)
The sun was shining through my window as I sat and read the Hopi prayer.
In grattitude & unity
Starchild x :wub2:

[feeler]

one thing that is puzzling me about the interview. I think Miriam says that she was taken into some of the underground bases, or what would seem underground bases, and then told by her contacts to stay away from there for it could be dangerous. If this is the case, what was her contracts doing there and why would they take her there if it was dangerous? Sounds a bit close to the bone for me.


She was shown in front of a screen. It could be where our missing children are being taken to.

[milk and honey]

I've no conclusions. I have had one personal contact experience.

Some ETs I trust and others I do not trust. I see ETs at different levels on the spiritual path continuum just like humans, so I also have conflicted feelings based on who the ET is. Some ETs promote fear and feed off strong negative emotions while other ETs are very positive and supportive. It's all very complex at some levels and not complex at other levels. Paradoxical? Yes.
Considering you've had one contact experience i assume that you trust the "ET" who contacted you? If so, have you based your appraisal of their orientation on their "supportive and positive" nature? If so, are you aware that even the worst of men can be supportive and positive toward people they choose as vectors of disinformation or agents of their agenda?

I would suggest that the real motivation of "ETs" is a far more complex issue than any analysis of their word or outer behavior could ascertain. Going by your comments to all the cautious voices here, you obviously feel that you have 'transcended' the need for caution yourself at least with regard to your own contact experience. But the way i see it, it's as simple as this... People ("ETs" whatever) can lie no matter from where they originate. Sometimes they say things about themselves and their intentions that aren't true.

Do you remember the fairy tales read to you as a child? Remember how there was a character in every story who had malintent yet misrepresented themselves as a helpful fellow traveller to some poor innocent? For children these stories were important representations of life in a dualitistic world where form is not always what it seems. The lessons are meant to reside in the child's subconscious as an image just waiting for the right time to be activated as a warning by life circumstances.

[milk and honey]

She was shown in front of a screen. It could be where our missing children are being taken to.
Miriam said she was "shown an image". Then she said "we were in the astral and the Nordic said to me 'we must be very quiet otherwise they will know that you're here... don't ever come here because it is very dangerous'".

[Ampgod]

For me, The message was don't be a victim. Take personal responsibility for yourself and your life. Learn who you are. Take your power back and be the change you wish to see. Help to manifest the world you want.:thumb_yello:



Peace,
Ampgod

[feeler]

Miriam said she was "shown an image". Then she said "we were in the astral and the Nordic said to me 'we must be very quiet otherwise they will know that you're here... don't ever come here because it is very dangerous'".

Thank you. If it is a dangerous place for Miriam, more than likely it is a dangerous place for the missing children. Shouldn't we make an effort to encourage or support the search for our missing children there in those underground bases?

*We are all ONE; if you accept the belief, then we should attempt to make contact and not be intimidated by our fear.

[feeler]

When I met Miriam a few days before the interview, I was instantly struck by her honesty and integrity, which shone through her in our private meeting. I felt a strong personal connection with her (as did Kerry from the very start, but that was the first time I had met her).

She's a strong presenter on camera, but this belies her sensitivity: after the cameras were turned off she was in tears for several minutes, such was the intensity of the previous couple of hours for her.

While those were private moments, it seems that for some that kind of outtake might have been valuable to help evaluate her sincerity and vulnerability.

The text describing the interview (before it was published) was written by me. Kerry had thought it might be a little too strongly worded. The reason I'm relating all this here is to share my own personal journey relative to Miriam's testimony: starting out doubtful and wondering where Kerry was going with this... and ending up paying extremely close attention to her story, which I continue to do. I'm delighted we met her and interviewed her and I am convinced her story is important.

Very best to all, Bill

We, the viewers, already got a boat-load of tears -during- the interview.

Now, after the interview, Miriam might have a sense of guilt after telling her lies (a possibility) in front of the camera.

Or Miriam might have a sense of inadequacy of her performance, knowing that she will have to report back to her USA/Russian Pys Op group (another possibility).

How do you know what triggered the tears?

Thanks for your attention Bill. Great to hear from you.

[rainman]

I have nothing left to say about Miriam...
Just wanted to thank Bill for, at least, trying to establish good communication with us!
And Bill... staying open-minded is one thing, but changing someone's mind is a VERY DIFFICULT task (even with hard evidence)... so interview like this one (with NO evidence at all, and tons of weaknesses) is too shallow to be considered as "mindchanger"!
== I've already mentioned few days ago that you MUST have some "fantastic" info on her (off the camera) that we can't swallow thru simple watching of this weak video...
but hey, what we can't see, we surely won't believe! Simple as that! ==

I have no tears to spare after this post
(this maybe sounds cynical, but hey, it was after the post so it' doesn't count!?) ;)

[Nebula]

I loved the Miriam Delicado interview. Its straight forward humble and informative message for the Ground crew. The message: Prepare yourself spiritually, mentally and physically. Amid all that is happening around us, take personal responsibility for everything you do. We do have help, from within and above.

[Princess Mew Mew]

Hi, All:

A litttle more on this. (We've been on the road for several days and so I've only just caught up on the very interesting range of views here.)

On page 4 of this thread (a long time ago!) I wrote this...



... and it still stands.

Of course, we're not trying to persuade anyone to believe anything. (We still get e-mails every day about Blossom Goodchild. We despair!)

It was Kerry who first contacted Miriam earlier this year. I was skeptical - despite having had my own contact experiences back in the 1980s. I am always very wary of information like this. I do consider myself to be skeptical in the very sense as brilliantly defined by Bernie Haisch:



When I met Miriam a few days before the interview, I was instantly struck by her honesty and integrity, which shone through her in our private meeting. I felt a strong personal connection with her (as did Kerry from the very start, but that was the first time I had met her).

She's a strong presenter on camera, but this belies her sensitivity: after the cameras were turned off she was in tears for several minutes, such was the intensity of the previous couple of hours for her.

While those were private moments, it seems that for some that kind of outtake might have been valuable to help evaluate her sincerity and vulnerability.

The text describing the interview (before it was published) was written by me. Kerry had thought it might be a little too strongly worded. The reason I'm relating all this here is to share my own personal journey relative to Miriam's testimony: starting out doubtful and wondering where Kerry was going with this... and ending up paying extremely close attention to her story, which I continue to do. I'm delighted we met her and interviewed her and I am convinced her story is important.

Very best to all, Bill

Hi Bill, thank you for your response. If you haven't seen it, I made a post which is the last post on page 13. I'd like to hear what you think about some of the issues I brought up from her sample chapter.

I would also like to say, that I am not easily swayed by tears. For I have cried many different tears.. If I saw her break down, unfortunately, because of our wide range of emotions and such, I would not be able to decipher why she would be crying, I do not see it as making one valid. Nor does it prove sincerity. And I would like to also say, that I have NOT forgotten that she is human. That she has emotions. And her experience seems very real. Regardless of those things, this still seems too much like influence, control, manipulation. These beings seem very tricky with the way they have interfered with this woman's life. She didn't ask them to. She even told them to leave her alone, yet they didn't. Are these beings respectful? I don't see it..

I think she has very important things to say. She seems to have a good heart. But this doesn't mean she isn't being influenced by beings with a hidden agenda. It seems many psychics are persuaded to the dark side. There is great manipulation in the ethereal realm. I don't trust these Tall Blondes whatsoever. Does she know their origins? Does she know who they really are? Doesn't seem like it. Does she understand why she is doing what they tell her to do? From what I've read, she seems unsure, or seemed unsure at some point in her life. What have they truly done for her? Maybe since she turned down the offer to be part of a psychic program, they may have decided to go with more intense measures. Like that overly dramatic experience she had when she was abducted. What's the explanation for that incision on her stomach? There are too many questions unanswered. I sense a wariness about her. I sense insecurity, doubt, fear. We all know very well that we must be responsible, that we must fix what is wrong in our world. That is very very obvious.. at least to me and it seems others are understanding of this as well. And as far as I've seen, no one has really *dinged* or 'leveled up' from this interview. She may have important things to say, she may be a genuinely good person, but.. there's something not right, I don't trust her because she trusts them, and who are they? I have no idea who they really are, and I highly doubt that she knows who they really are. It is a mystery wrapped in bacon to me.

Once again, I'd like to hear what you think about this and my last post on page 13. Perhaps you have some answers? Thank you so much, I hope your trip is fantastic and may the force be with you both, aloha :original:

[feeler]

Hi Bill, thank you for your response. If you haven't seen it, I made a post which is the last post on page 13. I'd like to hear what you think about some of the issues I brought up from her sample chapter.

I would also like to say, that I am not easily swayed by tears. For I have cried many different tears.. If I saw her break down, unfortunately, because of our wide range of emotions and such, I would not be able to decipher why she would be crying, I do not see it as making one valid. Nor does it prove sincerity. And I would like to also say, that I have NOT forgotten that she is human. That she has emotions. And her experience seems very real. Regardless of those things, this still seems too much like influence, control, manipulation. These beings seem very tricky with the way they have interfered with this woman's life. She didn't ask them to. She even told them to leave her alone, yet they didn't. Are these beings respectful? I don't see it..

I think she has very important things to say. She seems to have a good heart. But this doesn't mean she isn't being influenced by beings with a hidden agenda. It seems many psychics are persuaded to the dark side. There is great manipulation in the ethereal realm. I don't trust these Tall Blondes whatsoever. Does she know their origins? Does she know who they really are? Doesn't seem like it. Does she understand why she is doing what they tell her to do? From what I've read, she seems unsure, or seemed unsure at some point in her life. What have they truly done for her? Maybe since she turned down the offer to be part of a psychic program, they may have decided to go with more intense measures. Like that overly dramatic experience she had when she was abducted. What's the explanation for that incision on her stomach? There are too many questions unanswered. I sense a wariness about her. I sense insecurity, doubt, fear. We all know very well that we must be responsible, that we must fix what is wrong in our world. That is very very obvious.. at least to me and it seems others are understanding of this as well. And as far as I've seen, no one has really *dinged* or 'leveled up' from this interview. She may have important things to say, she may be a genuinely good person, but.. there's something not right, I don't trust her because she trusts them, and who are they? I have no idea who they really are, and I highly doubt that she knows who they really are. It is a mystery wrapped in bacon to me.

Once again, I'd like to hear what you think about this and my last post on page 13. Perhaps you have some answers? Thank you so much, I hope your trip is fantastic and may the force be with you both, aloha :original:

Very good observation Mew Mew. Miriam passed up a good opportunity to find out more about the aliens by asking ZERO question when she met with the elder.

The 'attractive' features of the aliens are too appealing/convenient to be true/real. i.e. blond, tall, blue eyes, white, impressive physique, etc. It's too stereotype, too Hollywood.

Did the aliens ask Miriam for permission before they cut her stomach open?

[feeler]

Hi, All:
I do consider myself to be skeptical in the very sense as brilliantly defined by Bernie Haisch:

[A sleptic is] one who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

When I met Miriam a few days before the interview, I was instantly struck by her honesty and integrity, which shone through her in our private meeting. I felt a strong personal connection with her (as did Kerry from the very start, but that was the first time I had met her).

She's a strong presenter on camera, but this belies her sensitivity: after the cameras were turned off she was in tears for several minutes, such was the intensity of the previous couple of hours for her.

While those were private moments, it seems that for some that kind of outtake might have been valuable to help evaluate her sincerity and vulnerability.




Bill, Bernie Haisch's definition of "skeptic" can serve as a good guideline. But are you sure that you are practicing "dispassionate reasoning"?

Do these wordings (of yours) exemplify "dispassionate reasoning"?

- "I was instantly struck by"
- "which shone through her"
- "felt a strong personal connection with her"
- "those were private moments"
- "her sincerity and vulnerability"


"alternative explanations" (from you) = 0

"evidence" (from you or the interview) = 0

Let me confess. This interview is important to me because it had been a long while since I watched a female being interviewed. I find Miriam very attractive. I liked the way Miriam often looked straight at the camera as if she was looking straight into my eyes, one-on-one. When she announced that she could cry, I wanted to jump into the screen and lend her my shoulder.

Now that I am done watching the interview, I am back wondering where our missing children are. Can our missing children be found in those underground bases? What exactly is going on in those underground bases?

You are a passionate man Bill. I am too. But that doesn't mean we ought to believe Miriam's story.

[milk and honey]

Very good observation Mew Mew. Miriam passed up a good opportunity to find out more about the aliens by asking ZERO question when she met with the elder.

Not only did Miriam pass up a good opportunity to question the Hopi elder she proudly proclaimed in her interview "... I don't need a Hopi to tell me something i know"

You would have to believe you know it all to say that.

Feeler...

The underground base story seems suspicious to me for the reason i already mentioned but also because it makes no sense at all to take Miriam "in the astral" to a dangerous place only to warn her away from it. And the warning to "keep quiet or they will know your here (at the underground base)" is disingenious for the simple reason that any astral being could have seen them there yet no physical being could have heard them.

??

[sirian77]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7158929399739557807


why is steven saying in the beginning: "crop circles" :original:

[kay]

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/erriuc/aroundtheworld/1184959140/tpod.html

[nagualton]

We are EVERYTHING. Certainly we wasn't created by some ET's. What is original intention behind this story?

[feeler]

Not only did Miriam pass up a good opportunity to question the Hopi elder she proudly proclaimed in her interview "... I don't need a Hopi to tell me something i know"

You would have to believe you know it all to say that.

Feeler...

The underground base story seems suspicious to me for the reason i already mentioned but also because it makes no sense at all to take Miriam "in the astral" to a dangerous place only to warn her away from it. And the warning to "keep quiet or they will know your here (at the underground base)" is disingenious for the simple reason that any astral being could have seen them there yet no physical being could have heard them.

??

Excellent point. You are a critical thinker M&H. Thank you!!

This bit could be intended as a selling point of her book, or as a scare tactic to turn public interest away from the underground bases.

[googleboy]

just a note:

Delicado and Deagle develop similar issues and questions ..?

[THE eXchanger]

miriam delicado how did this thread get forgotten ?

[deb003]

You know, I could've sworn that Kerry said there is a new interview with Miriam but it was being eddited. Maybe I am totally mistaken but I have been waiting for this interview to come out.

I love the 1st interview and felt frustrated at time because I wanted more disclosure from Miriam. There were times that she didn't want to disclose too much information and I felt very frustrated about that.
I have to respect her wishes for doing that. It's her story and I'm sure there are many reasons why she chose to disclose what she was confortable with disclosing. She has her boundaries for a reason. I could sense how intimate this experience is for her and even though I felt frustrated at some point, because I wanted more answer!! it's not about me.
I'm sure the time will come when certain things will be disclosed when she's ready to do it.

[Josefine]

[QUOTE=Operator;27850]Hi,

Yeah the 4 corner area also did not became clear to me ...
Maybe someone else understands that better than me and can explain ...



The 4 corner area is where 4 American states join together in one corner: Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah. There are Indian reservations there.

This is also where a group of ETs, those that made a contract with the US government, the bignosed grays, was allowed to build their 1st underground city!:mfr_omg:

It has been mentioned here, any ETs that claim that they have created us, should be viewed with skepticism. I say that they are lying fm what I have been told by sources that I rely on.

Also, we are not to be 'blamed' for everything that is happening on the planet that we see as negative. The system, geophysical, socioeconomic and so forth, as well as our DNA, is undergoing a transformation. This transformation, which will lead to a positive result, is not all that comfortable. We are in the wrong when it comes to a number of our practices, but it has mostly been related to our limited view of what we are and what we need. This process would require fewer 'incidents' if we were more aware and more awake, that is true.

Many ETs claim that they are so advanced that they are able to change their own DNA. We have that ability as well, and it will gradually become more conscious.

A channel may be honest, have a pure heart, have good intentions, be absolutely sincere, and still it is the messenger that sends the message through that has to be evaluated.

It does not ring true to me that it is right to gather our indigo children and the native elders as a group. Andreja Puharich gathered many psychic and gifted children, and lo and behold, the CIA became part of the act, trying to steer it, not to the benefit of mankind.

We need to be discerning, we need to listen to many voices, then we have to go within and look for our own truth. When we do, we criticize no one, we only do what we came for.

[iainl140285]

[QUOTE=Operator;27850]Hi,

Yeah the 4 corner area also did not became clear to me ...
Maybe someone else understands that better than me and can explain ...



The 4 corner area is where 4 American states join together in one corner: Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah. There are Indian reservations there.

This is also where a group of ETs, those that made a contract with the US government, the bignosed grays, was allowed to build their 1st underground city!:mfr_omg:

It has been mentioned here, any ETs that claim that they have created us, should be viewed with skepticism. I say that they are lying fm what I have been told by sources that I rely on.

Also, we are not to be 'blamed' for everything that is happening on the planet that we see as negative. The system, geophysical, socioeconomic and so forth, as well as our DNA, is undergoing a transformation. This transformation, which will lead to a positive result, is not all that comfortable. We are in the wrong when it comes to a number of our practices, but it has mostly been related to our limited view of what we are and what we need. This process would require fewer 'incidents' if we were more aware and more awake, that is true.

Many ETs claim that they are so advanced that they are able to change their own DNA. We have that ability as well, and it will gradually become more conscious.

A channel may be honest, have a pure heart, have good intentions, be absolutely sincere, and still it is the messenger that sends the message through that has to be evaluated.

It does not ring true to me that it is right to gather our indigo children and the native elders as a group. Andreja Puharich gathered many psychic and gifted children, and lo and behold, the CIA became part of the act, trying to steer it, not to the benefit of mankind.

We need to be discerning, we need to listen to many voices, then we have to go within and look for our own truth. When we do, we criticize no one, we only do what we came for.



Well said Josefine!
I agree 100% :thumb_yello:

Peace
Iain :original: