The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

[Reunite]

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

I have faith in you. You'll come to your senses soon.

Just stop digging your grave.

[Alcyone11]

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

That's right,
and just why I am leaving the forum.
Always this money-issue...it's not the amount, but the principle.
Bless you all,

Alcyone11

[RubyTuesday]

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

That's a bit much. You're being incredibly rude and not doing a thing to help the cause of getting people to want to pay to post here so they can be ridiculed by comments like this.

I've said my piece if it matters but I sense it doesn't and minds have been made up. I'm out of this thread and will be a lurker when the changes come. If I have something valuable to share I will do it elsewhere because it appears to me that the principles we are fighting for are ignored here.

I have one last comment that I don't think I brought up earlier. This "gifting" of memberships. It's a nice thing to do but for many it may seem elitist- telling people to hold out their tin cups. Again, all of the icky feelings brought up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. It's going to be interesting to see how much the info changes once this goes into effect and only those willing (or able for some who refuse to ask for charity) to pay will be posting and all other insights and ideas are lost. You will not hear from many of the poorest people- many don't like to advertise how destitute they are and will simply disappear.

It's really sad that this has happened here. :sad: I wish you all the best. :wub2:

[Reunite]

Hi Ruby,


As for Bill and The Ark in Australia....grinn...at this time it is a dream he voiced...a dream he wants to pursue. I wish him all the best in attaining that dream and make it come true.:thumb_yello:

I have different dreams and I can't afford them either......:wink2:


Enough wasted energy here, bye bye.

Peace and blessings to all

[Flying Pyramid]

Now that is uncalled for Myplanet2. Now i must shredd.
Your name reveals your true self. My- (oh so much darkside i feel in you) Planet-(taking control of not a little but the entire world) -2 (so this is an improvement on the first?)

And as to your heartfelt reply offering me a "position" here and help pay for others is mis lead. Does antone else see this trick? Not by him, but the programming behind his eyes?

I said all for one and one for all right?
The reply is "we'll let you in but eveyone else has to pay".
So letting me in the back door solves the problem?

It has started.

BTW, Bill & Kerry are not here at the moment so there is no control over this except by the mods and admins present.
I suggest everyone watch what they say very carefully and choose your words wisely.

Would i join PC & PA and offer my vast knowledge of everything?
Yes if it was Bill & Kerry that asked me.
I offered to hand over all my money and all my time to help them. Side by side. I could help them in so many ways that they would want for nothing.
But they must want to take the help.

And i will say this very clearly,
Flame wars (which is what this is) is the most domanint sign that your community has lost it's way.

You biuld a place so those with light can gather and share.
Then force people to pay and the community screams at the top of it's lungs NO!! They say we will help in any way that we can but please dont make a monatary clamp on this community.
The reply is no, we will do it anyway.
Then the beloved community shredds eacth other apart, the same people who were enjoying one anothers company and growing are now waring.

Look at what is in front of you. LOVE LIGHT these are what matter, nothing else.

Myplanet2, Baggywrinkle, and all the rest, do not become a sloppy moderator. Do not make fun of people or mod what you think is relevent.
For you now are breeding seeds of hate.
Don't help the powers that be grow stronger off of your negative energy.
Stay within the light. And guide people.

Remember this is about our debate of how we feel about the current situation, new ideas to gain a constant flow of money for Bill & Kerry.
All i am saying is pursue a different course of action.
Don't let this be blinked out of exsistance.

Video interviews cost $1,000's , well i just happen to know how to make $1,000's in about 17 hours.
But this is not the point.
The issue is down to the core of the problem, why does it HAVE to be the forum going subscription to make the nessesary money?
Remember i run a forum business i know how much can be made from a subscription and i know how much money it costs (in total) to make video interviews, i am in both industries.
So i know there is more to it than that B&K.
But that is besides the point, i care not what you need money for, the point i am trying to make is, is there no other way to obtain this money other than forceing people to pay to come and , post, share, discuss things that face us all?

If threy are hungry i will feed them.
If they are cold i will warm them.
If they are naked i will cloth them.
If they are lost i will lead them.

Please believe in what you feel and say.

Peace, Love & Light

[Myplanet2]

Enough wasted energy here, bye bye.

Peace and blessings to all

Can it be true?

[Baggywrinkle]

up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. :

The button has been there at project camelot for the last two years.
"Would have" doesn't pay their rent. For many of the posters here "Will you"
won't work either. That is their first mistake. People tie value and cost. It didn't cost, therefore the public has not and does not value B&K's contribution.

The second mistake was not charging for Avalon from the very first day.

Given their commitment to the Camelot information being available for free,
I would like to see them CHARGE for the videos, then release the transcripts later at no cost. You get the information but you pay for timeliness and convenience. But that is just me.

[Myplanet2]

Now that is uncalled for Myplanet2. Now i must shredd.
Your name reveals your true self. My- (oh so much darkside i feel in you) Planet-(taking control of not a little but the entire world) -2 (so this is an improvement on the first?)

And as to your heartfelt reply offering me a "position" here and help pay for others is mis lead. Does antone else see this trick? Not by him, but the programming behind his eyes?

I said all for one and one for all right?
The reply is "we'll let you in but eveyone else has to pay".
So letting me in the back door solves the problem?

It has started.

BTW, Bill & Kerry are not here at the moment so there is no control over this except by the mods and admins present.
I suggest everyone watch what they say very carefully and choose your words wisely.

Would i join PC & PA and offer my vast knowledge of everything?
Yes if it was Bill & Kerry that asked me.
I offered to hand over all my money and all my time to help them. Side by side. I could help them in so many ways that they would want for nothing.
But they must want to take the help.

And i will say this very clearly,
Flame wars (which is what this is) is the most domanint sign that your community has lost it's way.

You biuld a place so those with light can gather and share.
Then force people to pay and the community screams at the top of it's lungs NO!! They say we will help in any way that we can but please dont make a monatary clamp on this community.
The reply is no, we will do it anyway.
Then the beloved community shredds eacth other apart, the same people who were enjoying one anothers company and growing are now waring.

Look at what is in front of you. LOVE LIGHT these are what matter, nothing else.

Myplanet2, Baggywrinkle, and all the rest, do not become a sloppy moderator. Do not make fun of people or mod what you think is relevent.
For you now are breeding seeds of hate.
Don't help the powers that be grow stronger off of your negative energy.
Stay within the light. And guide people.

Remember this is about our debate of how we feel about the current situation, new ideas to gain a constant flow of money for Bill & Kerry.
All i am saying is pursue a different course of action.
Don't let this be blinked out of exsistance.

Video interviews cost $1,000's , well i just happen to know how to make $1,000's in about 17 hours.
But this is not the point.
The issue is down to the core of the problem, why does it HAVE to be the forum going subscription to make the nessesary money?
Remember i run a forum business i know how much can be made from a subscription and i know how much money it costs (in total) to make video interviews, i am in both industries.
So i know there is more to it than that B&K.
But that is besides the point, i care not what you need money for, the point i am trying to make is, is there no other way to obtain this money other than forceing people to pay to come and , post, share, discuss things that face us all?

If threy are hungry i will feed them.
If they are cold i will warm them.
If they are naked i will cloth them.
If they are lost i will lead them.

Please believe in what you feel and say.

Peace, Love & Light

My name reveals nothing of the sort. it means I don't give up my rights on this planet to the powers that be. Nothing more. It's my planet too. I have a say in what goes on here, just as anyone does.

The offer was posted the other day, that anyone unable to pay the subscription who still wanted to participate, could decide to help out with the research project instead of paying.

It wasn't an offer to you to let you in some perceived back door.

Bill and Kerry wanted to stay open to any ideas to accomodate as many as possible.

I see a fund raiser has started and hopefully, enough interest will be shown in that to avoid the subscription issue. I hope so.

But the bottom line is still that it will have to give Bill and Kerry enough breathing space to continue their work without having to worry about paying their commitments. That's the point. It's not just the cost of the forum, or the cost of doing an interview. It's everything it costs to do what Bill and Kerry do.

I'm sure it'll work out one way or another. People do seem very interested in this project, and don't want to see it struggle to continue.

[franciejones]

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

[RubyTuesday]

The button has been there at project camelot for the last two years.
"Would have" doesn't pay their rent. For many of the posters here "Will you"
won't work either. That is their first mistake. People tie value and cost. It didn't cost, therefore the public has not and does not value B&K's contribution.

The second mistake was not charging for Avalon from the very first day.

Given their commitment to the Camelot information being available for free,
I would like to see them CHARGE for the videos, then release the transcripts later at no cost. You get the information but you pay for timeliness and convenience. But that is just me.

As I've stated AT LEAST 3 times in this thread that some people aren't going to donate until they know what's going on. I personally wouldn't donate a dime knowing that some would be cut off from posting valuable info if a subscription went into effect- I will not put my money (energy) into that sort of elitism of the old "pay to play" and only placing value on what you pay for paradigm. That's the sticking point. Read my posts before making assumptions. I've made quite a few in this thread saying just that.

I said I wasn't posting more in this thread but had to defend myself. And thanks again to Karen for working towards a donation based system. :wub2:

[slywinkl]

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

do u truly belive this? all ive come to speak with here, and haf invited to look at this site has come here to look for what others say, to connfirm that we arent crazy, to see that we are not alone, to find anwsers for all.

i doo see alotta me me me me here, but when i read through the forum randomly i see alotta souls who have gotten it and are doin a real awsome job of opening ppl upp, jhelping them without a inch of self thought. i see ppl anwser with long threads to explain to not so gifted ppl. with great sucsess. that is a really beutifull thing.

now what ur saying here is that u want all this alone and close all out of yer "club" and yeah bein selfish :/

this is also what "great" leaders haf said. and starting to Divide and qonquer couse u cant handle ppl speaking against what u think is true.

it is a really hard thing to do, to accept other ppls thoughts and words. it can crush you for weeks, months years. i kno, i was a imbesil when it came to speaking with others before. i thought what i knew was the ultimate anwser. until a 12 year old taught me that we are all one.

[franciejones]

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

[StClair]

hi

:thumb_yello:

Side note:

I donated thru Camelot site instead as that button works just fine :)

Thanks so much Ms Jones. Very kind of you to do this :original:

I am sure we can get all this wrapped up beneficially today...
All it takes is a few more Ms Jones' and a few St.Clairs
well yeah there arent too many Francie Jones'

hey, Ms Jones
Care to join here? http://stclairzone.ning.com - It is free !
Zynox and I accept the good eggs of the new paradigm.

We have a few other good Avalon eggs at my zone.

[Myplanet2]

do u truly belive this? all ive come to speak with here, and haf invited to look at this site has come here to look for what others say, to connfirm that we arent crazy, to see that we are not alone, to find anwsers for all.

i doo see alotta me me me me here, but when i read through the forum randomly i see alotta souls who have gotten it and are doin a real awsome job of opening ppl upp, jhelping them without a inch of self thought. i see ppl anwser with long threads to explain to not so gifted ppl. with great sucsess. that is a really beutifull thing.

now what ur saying here is that u want all this alone and close all out of yer "club" and yeah bein selfish :/

this is also what "great" leaders haf said. and starting to Divide and qonquer couse u cant handle ppl speaking against what u think is true.

it is a really hard thing to do, to accept other ppls thoughts and words. it can crush you for weeks, months years. i kno, i was a imbesil when it came to speaking with others before. i thought what i knew was the ultimate anwser. until a 12 year old taught me that we are all one.

How much gets done amongst the endless debate, and arguing? At some point, it's time to get to work. Many here are at that point, where continuing to watch "train wreck earth" becomes just more of the same.

We know what's going on here.

What are we going to do about it?

I agree that a huge amount of very valuable information has been brought here by the membership.

but I've seen so much selfish, rancorous, petty, small minded, egotistical "position taking" that I'm ready to focus and concentrate on the individuals who know what they want to do about this mess on earth and are ready to get to work in a constructive way.

[slywinkl]

just look what this "arguments" are doing now then, not thinkin of future nor past couse none exist now.

i am reading and learning from all perspectives here, i want to know why you all think the way you do becouse thats how i learn and become a better HU-Man.

as for the camelot thing, hehe im pretty sure ive seen both bill and kerry stating this that camelot and avalon is 2 separate things, with 2 missions, not the same, camelot isnt avalon, and avalon is not camelot, its 2 things, if you are burning so much for this then why not stay on camelot forums and say this? general wonderment, not a argument.

you all speak of what they want, this is what they haf said, and you are facing straight against this.

[historycircus]

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

By "nasty and rude," I presume you mean logical and well argued?

[mu2143]

I'm stil surprised by the amount of people complaining to pay 1$ a month for
a subscription that will increase the probability from not getting nuked again to the stone age. (Then we as a race are again stuck in this loop) :shocked:

Money will be gone in the new age, because it is the invisible chain of slavery !!!!.Trust your higher self do not fear. It is the same as Deagle speaking it is how you look at it. (with fear or just as information).Ever one has an ego!!(Dark or light!!).

Second.
Where supporting Billy and Kerry for getting information for our own survival(waking people up).
They can't do this if there income is to low. Going from A to B all the time is not cheap.

Third.
Taking responsibility is to translate the data they are collecting for your self and wake up any one you can. That we are living in a lie !
Don't get confused with some of the data not matching up. This is because of they are only getting a pice of the cake or/and got lost in translation. You know what is right and wrong your self.

But of course it is still your own freewill to leave.

[Worlds Beyond 2]

but I've seen so much selfish, rancorous, petty, small minded, egotistical "position taking" that I'm ready to focus and concentrate on the individuals who know what they want to do about this mess on earth and are ready to get to work in a constructive way.



.....hmmmm.. yes indeed .... by certain mods (and their chums/followers) it seems from the level and content/tone of comments being posted about all this!

Good luck to you.. seriously! As something tells me you may need all the luck you can get with attitudes like that and your previous comments about members.. many of whom are innocent of the accusations being thrown about by PA "insiders".

I wish you all well.. and hope one day humanity really can learn to accept each other fully, with equal respect and value to/for ALL.. in spite of any differences of opinion or belief.

Peace

:original:

[John aka#404]

Fundraiser Starts NOW - If you want to stop subscription plan (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7902)


This is definitely an option... let's make it happen.

.

[Baggywrinkle]

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. .

I love it.

A donation based board with one requirement for membership; you must pass
a one hundred question multiple choice exam with 70% or better covering the
Camelot material.

Hardly too much to ask to require an informed membership, and it might help some poor wayward soul who stumbled in here thinking it was a quilting guild..
:shocked:

[capreycorn]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u124/greasy-g/simpsons_clockwork_orange.gif

[franciejones]

Yes! Yes! Baggywrinkle...I was thinking the same THING....lol. So awesome. Love to you ....membership test would be beautiful. Probably not realistic but boy it sure would help.

[Donny]

I'm sure all the whiney babies will find a nice place for themselves. Oh wait. didn't you already post that link?


Is this sort of response constructive of a moderator?

Or even this?

"but I've seen so much selfish, rancorous, petty, small minded, egotistical "position taking""

Surely even though there is a lot of people saying a lot of things, some I find distressing. Being professional is the way I see some one in some sort of power, a moderator has power.

I know all this talk is bringing anger over a symplistic thing, In my mind, if you walk into a shop and want to buy a bag of sweets, if you dont like the price you go elsewhere, simple.

If you believe that more costly bag of sweets will taste better then the cheaper ones, then buy them.

I would dearly love to stay with pa and pc as they have given me a wealth of knowledge, things I did not know before finding this site, and I have to say, by pure accident.

And I also believe that pa has been built with the knowledge of the free speakers with fantastic topics.

All this bickering is only going to drive me away as I feel that under preasure the moderators would not be able to keep their cool, then how can I believe they will be in a cool minded state when I actually DO pay my dues to continue here.

Come on, lets be civil about all this.

Donny

[RubyTuesday]

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

Nobody is being attacked by me though I certainly feel attacked. I find it appalling that you think it's okay that only people who can pay should be able to post unless they resort to asking for charity. I think it's elitist and a sad way to be. It also saddens me that so many were/are unable to see any other way to raise money than to charge people to post thus shutting out ideas from anyone who can't pay and as well as those who refuse to participate in the OLD PARADIGM of pay to play. Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. Read my posts again. All of them. I'm all for donations and helping B & K. I truly respect what they have done and look forward to the future- but I won't contribute to the elitism energetically. It's bad karma and doesn't feel right. Enlighten yourself a bit, it's a good feeling.

I have read the rules and guidelines. I know that under a paid subscription that I would pay to post information to help others and in return those posts belong to PA as their property. Interesting.

Please don't stick your words in my mouth. You have no idea what I'm thinking or why I'm standing up right now. It is FOR the people who won't have a voice. It's for a forum that would suffer if it went paid because there are MANY people here who refuse to participate. All these cool threads you read with all the great ideas- many of those contributors will be gone and have said so already. Many others will just be lurking, never posting or sharing valuable information here- it will go elsewhere.

I'm not ranting, it's called a discussion. Conflicting ideas does not equal ranting. It's how we grow and learn. Look at post histories before you make empty accusations. You might want to look at the thread that Karen started before jumping on people you know NOTHING about and see that some of us have willingly offered to DONATE more than enough to cover our membership and more. And for future reference, it's more mature to express your opinions without using foul language. It's also smart to get your facts straight before calling someone out. :wink2:

[RubyTuesday]

I agree with GregorArturo 100%

Also, I think it is important to respect the opinion of the threadstarter. It is important that we do not "attack" people for stating their viewpoint.

It might help some if before you reply to a thread-

Check your motives
Step outside of yourself first..some replies turn into arguments that are not always needed

This is just my opinion of course...

Sound advice given in another thread. You might want to take it yourself. :wub2:

[Donny]

Oh also, I think it is bloody marvelous that those who can afford a few extra quid, are willing to help someone who cannot afford to pay any form of dues to continue, I will happily pay for some one elses dues but can only afford one.

[Baggywrinkle]

Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. :

and this is not elitist and condescending?

[RubyTuesday]

and this is not elitist and condescending?

Not given the point I was making within the context of the entire post. As a snippet, it sure is. Make of it what you will. Karen worked to get us donation based and I for one am thrilled. :wub2:

[Donny]

Oh come on guys.

What ever you believe this funding method is all about, we are now just fighting amonst yourselves with words, some quite nasty too.

If the **** actually did hit the fan, would you really want to find out that the next person you are going to rely on for maybe even your life is some one that you had a mud throwing match with. Would this encourage you?

[Baggywrinkle]

Oh come on guys.

What ever you believe this funding method is all about, we are now just fighting amonst yourselves with words, some quite nasty too.

If the **** actually did hit the fan, would you really want to find out that the next person you are going to rely on for maybe even your life is some one that you had a mud throwing match with. Would this encourage you?


As long as you argue to an amicable resolution, or at least to the point of agreeing to disagree on opposing sides of an argument. As opposed to being contentious....

There is nothing wrong with a spirited debate. But when it bogs down in an endless cycle of back biting, it is then time to bury it in the pasture and never speak of it again

[GregorArturo]

I am disappointed with the group at large. Very disappointed.

[Donny]

I am disappointed with the group at large. Very disappointed.


Are any of you dissapointed with anything I have said in the last 3 posts, because if you are then, I have no place here and I appologise to any I might have offended and most of all appologise to the person whome would have recieved a simple gift of membership.

[GregorArturo]

Donny, you are a good person. No worries from my part. It has to do with the fueding and undermining of principles.

[Donny]

Thankyou,

[Worlds Beyond 2]

Nobody is being attacked by me though I certainly feel attacked. I find it appalling that you think it's okay that only people who can pay should be able to post unless they resort to asking for charity. I think it's elitist and a sad way to be. It also saddens me that so many were/are unable to see any other way to raise money than to charge people to post thus shutting out ideas from anyone who can't pay and as well as those who refuse to participate in the OLD PARADIGM of pay to play. Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. Read my posts again. All of them. I'm all for donations and helping B & K. I truly respect what they have done and look forward to the future- but I won't contribute to the elitism energetically. It's bad karma and doesn't feel right. Enlighten yourself a bit, it's a good feeling.

I have read the rules and guidelines. I know that under a paid subscription that I would pay to post information to help others and in return those posts belong to PA as their property. Interesting.

Please don't stick your words in my mouth. You have no idea what I'm thinking or why I'm standing up right now. It is FOR the people who won't have a voice. It's for a forum that would suffer if it went paid because there are MANY people here who refuse to participate. All these cool threads you read with all the great ideas- many of those contributors will be gone and have said so already. Many others will just be lurking, never posting or sharing valuable information here- it will go elsewhere.

I'm not ranting, it's called a discussion. Conflicting ideas does not equal ranting. It's how we grow and learn. Look at post histories before you make empty accusations. You might want to look at the thread that Karen started before jumping on people you know NOTHING about and see that some of us have willingly offered to DONATE more than enough to cover our membership and more. And for future reference, it's more mature to express your opinions without using foul language. It's also smart to get your facts straight before calling someone out. :wink2:

Well said Ruby.. I full agree with you on so many points you make here...

and it's exactly this same low-level/low-tone attitude and downright rudeness being spouted by certain mods (and a few 'in the clique' members) to members on here that prompted my post on PA weeks ago (in repsonse to Astropsyche's thread asking if this forum is "Elitist?").

I took a bit of a bashing for expressing my concerns in that post about Elitism.. and I also apologised publically as I thought possibly I had misunderstood people's intention.. but on reflection.. ... having seen the events and the posts coming from the "controllers" at/of PA (certain mods, and certain members, and also one or two comments from Bill himself in recent posts).. I'm now feeling that my initial gut/heart instincts were spot-on.. sadly.

I didn't have much to contribute except my few personal experiences, I didn't sign up to this forum with any ego or agenda.. just to make come contacts with like minded souls/hearts... life is short.. mine especially so.. and I am incredibly saddened that a group of people with such a level of awareness of what is going on in this world, can behave in such a nasty, dismissive and personal-attack way to others, many of whom are NOT trouble makers, whiners, babies, destructive in intent, or free-loaders... as has been suggested, amongst all the other snipes, swipes and derogatory comments by some mods.

If this is the sort of "vibe" the Ground Crew clearly has.... then I really do feel that whatever transpires on earth in the coming years/2012 etc, even if by some miracle I am still alive on earth by then, I'd be happier to GO than to survive/stick around to find myself in the company of people who behave like this, who think of/treat/speak to others in such appalling fashion. :sad:

The 'ordinary' people ARE this forum. They ARE the information. PA mods and 'leaders' might have shown more awareness/foresight to have realised and respected this a little more.

I know times are tough, for LOTS of people.. and they are only going to get tougher.. and tougher.. and money WILL be history in the not too distant future!

I know funds are needed for Proj C work. But the story keeps switching around as to what the funds are for exactly.. and that is confusing people in itself! Now we're being told (this thread!) it's for food and shelter for Bill and Kerry. ? . I feel for you if that is the case. I have been homeless. Lost my home/car/most possessions/personal belongings etc. And I have had NO food on the table.. more than once in my life.. and NOT through any action/inaction of my own either. it is NOT a nice place to be in for anyone. I spent 20 years working long hours in senior/Management roles, internationally. I was generous with my salary in helping others. And had a 'solid gold' nest egg, financial security for life, or so I thought.

I lost everything from a turn of fate that came from nowhere... and it is not pleasant or easy. I know there are others who have experienced the same, or even worse than I did. Man God/Divine Creator surely does work in mysterious ways! But hey.. I've survived. AND learned a lot too about how to survive (legally and honestly) with no money, no bank account, etc. I've NEVER asked anybody for money in my life. Nor taken 'charity', much less 'pity'. Even when I had "nothing" and was scared of what the day ahead would bring, I still gave of myself, of my heart, of my friendship and love/care.

I still have next to nothing, in material terms, but it doesn't stop me giving. To be down to your last cash note and freely donate it or share it with someone TRULY less well off... that is what will help this world ascend/survive... not scrabbling or going against your principles/integrity/values to "get" some more...

Anyway.. there's little point my continuing, especially as I can already sense the sort of reactions/responses that will come forth to my post... sadly.


Peace to all..... Please God .. one day, please God, let there be peace among all.....

[Baggywrinkle]

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[Suriel]

The fact that there is a goodbye thread is a message in itself. There is so much wasted energy here. This is the only forum that I have visited that has been so full of mentally unstable people. Avalon is a good nut trap.

I have witnessed so much confusion, anger, mind battles, and unexpected surprises. The final result is that there are many people here that are lost looking for answers. But the irony is you are looking for some inside knowledge of the truth of why we are here. What will happen to us in 2012? Will the world end? When do I buy my backpack and stick my thumb in the air looking for a community?

Well, if Avalon is an example of a new community, I would definitely look elsewhere. I recommend watching the movie "the Beach" Good movie.

All it takes is one unstable person and the community is in Chaos. This is everyday life. You can't run from your problems. You must face them head on. If you want answers. Here is your answer: All we have is each other.
That's it. No more theories or surprises. There is a responsibility that we must deal with in our actions when it comes to our race on this planet.

And for all the wasted energy, insults, and wasted bickering over very small things, this will not help anything. The way I see it, use this forum if you can gain something from it. If not, don't log in. You don't need to say goodbye. We are already connected. If you don't have anything positive or productive to say, say nothing. This would make Avalon a much more enjoyable place.
There I go using that word "enjoy" again. lol.

Peace,
Suriel

[Connecting with Sauce]

I don't mind paying for recorded content like on PC which is where most of the cost is travel production etc, but the forum should really be free or paid for by PC. Information is key in these times. I'd pay for PC but feel PA will loose it's appeal even more than the change after 2-3 weeks when the forum was alive! ....then seemed like it was bashed on the head...

I pay for CMN because I want to see the latest movies.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
A very good site which could be used as a template

I'm sure if you charged a small amount for PC for the latest info some people would pay for PC latest content. I know I would if it was of similar quality to what is on PC... or at least was on there...

If 80% of people just lurk then the energy will die and PA will die and therefore PC will die. Unfortunately.

I'd personally have PA unregulated like in the 1st couple of weeks and free and PC paid for. I will pay for PC, and probably for PA for a short period but I sence it it will loose its appeal and then loose posters.

my 2p

ps I haven't got the time or botherment (if that is a word to read all 12 pages of posts).

I'd pay $5 a month for PC latest movies or a yearly figure. Due to what I feel will happen to PA I doubt I'll pay for long... another 2p :)

[Donny]

Suriel Very well put.

[Heretic]

Most of you here were drawn here by the Project Camelot videos; videos that have changed the way some of us view the world and do not deny their importance or value. Clearly a lot of money has gone into bringing this information out, and most here would agree that if Project Camelot, her mission and purpose, were to end, then we would all lose potentially important, perhaps even critical information, as coming events play out.

With a very small fee, of only one dollar a month, you could become a part of disclosure itself. To help fuel Project Camelot to stay the course in uncovering truths that have been denied us, as enlightening, doomy gloomy, or as controversial some perceive them to be.

On the pages of these forums I see phrases like Namasté, I read how love is the answer to our problems, and I see complaints that there is nothing “we the people” can do to change the situation forced on us by the powers that be, yet when a way DOES presents itself, people get lost in principles, and things concerning money. Sad. Its money. Just one dollar a month. A system is being set up that will even allow you to post for free because someone else here cares enough that you need to, and will pay your way. One dollar!

Seems to me that Bill and Kerry NEED these dollars to continue to do their work but you make your judgments, and you feel proud of your stance safeguarding that very important dollar, and the principles that it represents. Are you willing to let Camelot end so you won’t have to sacrifice anything? Because you shouldn’t have to sacrifice anything? Not even one dollar? Is it really more important to be right, than to be generous?

If I had the opportunity to let Bill borrow MY car so he can go about fulfilling the destiny of Camelot, I would. Instead I can only choose to be a part of disclosure itself, to support it beyond sharing my opinions for free, and if my measly 60 bucks has anything to do with winning this information war, then I can say to history that I was there, I made a difference. I made sacrifices; even if it was only a few dollars here and there.

peace

[Myra]

Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

:thumbdown:

Uuh......excuse me, but what makes you believe that anyone on this site wants a "free ride"? All I am seeing here is people with an inability to pay, or a moral issue as you say.

You probably shouldn't make assumptions unless you have solid basis for them.

[GoingToFast]

I am disappointed with the group at large. Very disappointed.

GregorArturo, I've read a many of your posts and threads and it is clear to me that you are absolutely one of the more intelligent and sensible people of the members here at this forum, that is why i don't understand why you are so knuckle-headed about this, how to finance the Avalon forum.

[StClair]

The fact that there is a goodbye thread is a message in itself. There is so much wasted energy here. This is the only forum that I have visited that has been so full of mentally unstable people. Avalon is a good nut trap.

Well, if Avalon is an example of a new community, I would definitely look elsewhere. I recommend watching the movie "the Beach" Good movie.

All it takes is one unstable person and the community is in Chaos.
Peace,
Suriel


Hi Suriel
& Friends

Sounds indeed like what I said in my May 2008 Camelot video, one chaot and all is toast, I experienced it often when vampiric energy feels attracted to the Light. We have seen it at work here from the first few moments. I stayed in observer mode after the witness threads were deleted, and i came back now to help out Kerry Cassidy.

Yes so while they raise funds now, we can discuss this business of how to manage sanity, as it then leads to the productive question of how you form true Radiant Zones and who you select... do they s-elect each other? By projecting at each other? Just kidding...

OK and that is what my 288 quiet peaceful friends and i discuss at my zone where we network good people and bring about concrete solutions... while also looking at the bigger picture, meanwhile this Avalon thing here at times looks like the "radio-active" zone. Saddens me a bit, and makes me laugh too, both.

Anyway as we have proven today once again the Krishnamurti "in"-crowd saved the day and showed the way, plus implemented applied solutions on an ordinary day, and got the fundraiser started, by having TWO people simply begin donating while the others "debated" the issues....

Hey guys when the house is on fire you act without thought, you do not discuss stuff. That is why this planet is where it is at, because no one or only few can take action - let alone "leadership" whatever that means.

Well yes... it is going to take a few way showers in the real world of 2009-2012

Thanks Suriel for your thoughts - much appreciated !!


Post Script to the others...


As to that discussion about Elitism, I have some disturbing hard core news:

The TRUE ELITE (Term used in the book WILDFIRE by Samantha Beaumont) is the group who prepared the new paradigm. At one time around 2014 or so we will perhaps embark in a society of enlightened ones, where no leaders are needed, because everyone is a leader of his her own self. The the true elite is among true equals. Makes sense?

Its not the old "elite", let alone the "ground crew" which designed and implements the new ways of the future now. It is the scouts of the desired timelines who will make it happen.

not to worry
all is swell... :welcomeani:

For the book "Wildfire" see: http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/topics/wildfire-by-samantha-beaumont

((To everyone: Read the book by Samantha Beaumont, you might learn a few shamanic tricks that will come in handy very soon.))

[enacae]

I saw the donation link on PC & PA home pages now. I hope to be able to give soon. If you are able to give please do. I truly believe in what Bill and Kerry are doing here. Keep this site alive and free. Lets keep Bill and Kerry able to do their job by making a donations toward our cause. I say "our cause" because I believe that we all here are gaining through the work that they are doing. Kuddos to the moderators here, I think you all are doing a fantastic job keeping the forum up and organized. So, if you can give, please do. If you can not, then just keep Bill ,Kerry and the moderators in your thoughts.

[Donald]

I didn't actually took the time to read all the posts since my last one on this thread but one thing I can tell : I still don't see anyone laughing !

Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us and you will be assimilated.

Locutus of Borg

I hope that settles it.

[Dantheman62]

I didn't actually took the time to read all the posts since my last one on this thread but one thing I can tell : I still don't see anyone laughing !

Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us and you will be assimilated.

Locutus of Borg

I hope that settles it.
Hey Donald, go over to Camelot-off-topic, Quotes and Jokes!, HaHa!

[Donald]

Hey Donald, go over to Camelot-off-topic, Quotes and Jokes!, HaHa!

You have to read my other posts on this thread to understand why I say this. It's actually relevant.

[Dantheman62]

oh sorry, I thought you were looking for a laugh, my bad, I'll look at your other posts.

[Donald]

oh sorry, I thought you were looking for a laugh, my bad, I'll look at your other posts.

That's ok :)

[juke]

The travelers

There is a group of people traveling across the country. They come to a river - deep and fast flowing.
The chief says: we have to cross the river to find a good place - and all agree.
But how to get to the other side ? They have a big debate. Lets build a bridge! - a boat! - and the debate goes on and on ...
A few days later ... the debate is going on -
someone says: today I was looking for a nice place to take a bath, not far away downstream, the river is shallow - easy to cross...
I was collecting mushrooms not far away upstream- says another one - there's already a bridge ...

What a decision will they make?

[broken arrow]

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[SoldierOfTruth808]

I think its good to have a source of income for this site. The process behind it is very worthy, very important. I think a charge will weed out all the unimportant comments and childish bickering and such... well at least some of it, drama in a forum is a natural entity. I dont think a forum would survive without it... I think people who care deeply, and sincerely will stick in and contribute. I think people who have an obvious anti-agenda will stick out, because you would have to think your views were pretty damn important to offer money to spread them. I want to hear the information and views of people who really have things to say. I can make up my own on what information I value or not. I myself dont really have anything educational to contribute. Im just waiting for the time to act, so ill read in the shadows as long as im allowed to.

Enjoy,
Roland K

[MaskMarvl]

Wow, I can't believe this "discussion" is still going on... :nono:

If it's true that the majority of the current members are against the subscription concept (mainly based on principal), then I suggest that all who oppose this idea to simply "stand-by" and not pay the fee, a sort of " workers' strike" if you will.... Or in this case, a "posters' strike"

No need for rude comments or arguments that will get us nowhere.

Maybe this way we can get B & K to reconsider the other options. :winksmiley02:

[shybastid]

OK..... already. I know some VERY funny jokes.And Yaquie Indian Jokes too..

Just kidding.

I think that the some of the resentment ,some of you feel,is against Bill and Kerry for saying they may try to Go "Down Under" and hunker "Down".
And now they need your "viewer support".(Like Jim and Tammy Baker)((JOKE!))
Im listening to Nancy Wilson sing right now.She was "coined" a communist.
Outspoken? Who Cares? Commie?...Whatever
Pretty Voice? You Betcha.
I BOUGHT the right to hear her sing.I DIDNT buy the right to her songs NOR can I buy the right to record it..unless I pay for that RIGHT!

What does she do with her money?Finance Cuba?
LOL:mfr_lol:LIke I have a say so.Or Care.I wanna hear her songs.
My Point?
I personally want to thank the people that have the means to let Bill and Kerry move forward (with donations)...........and continue at the best of everybodies ability to continue keeping the site open..while we ALL get a positive cash flow.
.Uh Oh I said it.. the "positive cash flow" thing....
Like money is the true evil...uh oh
Positive Cash Flow...If you have that..it at LEAST keeps the wheels turning.
Not my rule.
The alternative suggestions to create that Flow listed by current members have been noted by me.
Smart Bunch you are.
Dont mistake anger and frustration with solutions.. They kinda help each other other out.
Not my rule.

[broken arrow]

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[MaskMarvl]

Hi MaskMarvl,

please quote said 'rude comments' and/or 'arguments'. words are easily obfuscated. i'm confused by your post. many people are of good intent and unless you state what offends you, many are also made to feel assunder.

thank you in advance.

Actually, I was just trying to convey the feelings of other members that have mentioned "rudeness" etc... :original: I don't feel personally offended by anyone here. :rolleyes:

[Scarab]

Just want to say GOODBYE to some members here, before it's too late.

[THE eXchanger]

The ones who are actually present
they NEVER have to announce their de_part_ure:lmao:

i think, you found The DEPART-LURE THREAD :mfr_lol:

[Scarab]

The ones who are actually present
they NEVER have to announce their de_part_ure:lmao:

i think, you found The Trick Thread :mfr_lol:

Who said I was announcing my departure?

I was just saying GOODBYE.

[TRANCOSO]

Just want to say GOODBYE to some members here, before it's too late.

Which members exactly, Scarab? And are there any members excluded from this 'GOODBYE'? Please let us know asap, before it's too late.

Before it's too late?
Hang on, are you expecting something to happen that could cut you off from this source?
The end of the world, perhaps?

In that case a merry so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye! Adieu, adieu, adieu, adieu, adieu! ('Sound of Music' style)

[Anchor]

He is not doing that. Have a think about all the possible reasons that one may do sucha thing. Tick them all off. Assume that there is some logical rigour involved so you can discount the stupid options.

That said I am not that into cryptic messages - I prefer plain speaking, its pretty easy.

So, to sum up, for that point in the future when I am not able to post on this site, GOODBYE!

A..

[Stargazer1965]

I wanted to say goodbye to my "brother" LionHawk....he retired himself last weekend.

He will be sorely missed.

SG

[THE eXchanger]

I wanted to say goodbye to my "brother" LionHawk....he retired himself last weekend.

He will be sorely missed.

SG

Yes, ditto ~ We hope he returns :)