Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth?

Starlah · 03-25-2009, 03:03 AM

It occurs to me that if all those globalist New World Order "Bimbos" like Henry Kissinger, Ziggy, Rahm Emmanuel among the many, and the maneuvering dangerous reptiles that have control of the CIA and the NSC would come to their senses and switch their focus to saving the Planet our species could look forward to an extraordinary Paradise in the next twenty years.
However that dream does not look imminent and we continue down the path of self destruction.
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http://www.naturalnews.com/025864.html

This is the Final Call for Saving Our Planet
Tuesday, March 17, 2009 by: Marianne Leigh, citizen journalist

Key concepts: BBC, Global warming and Predictions

(NaturalNews) Scientists and climate experts have been sounding the alarm on global warming for more than a decade with little result. The vast majority of people have simply rolled their eyes at predictions of widespread doom and gone about their business. But lately, a growing number are disturbed by the frequency and scale of natural catastrophes taking place. And the tide is beginning to shift towards taking predictions about global warming seriously. Today however, more than a decade later, the fear is no longer that this change might take place, but rather that it is already happening - at a faster rate than predicted. And it might already be irreversible.

It would be impossible to ignore the changes taking place around us. In recent years our news has been saturated with unprecedented levels of catastrophe, destruction and death. In fact, the number of natural disasters worldwide has quadrupled in the past two decades. And while some want to dicker over the exact cause of the seismic disasters (earthquakes, tsunamis) signs are everywhere that the predicted changes are coming to pass. From Hurricanes Katrina and Ike in 2005 and the shocking heat wave that struck Europe in 2003, to widespread flooding, severe droughts and wildfires, it's clear enough that our planet is in revolt.

Recently compiled geological and oceanographic data confirms that the situation is deteriorating at an accelerated rate. The sea is warming and its level rising; the polar ice caps and glaciers are disappearing. And even as our predictions become reality, new unlooked for factors keep appearing which make former worst-case scenarios seem mild.

All hope for positive climate change is now pinned on a much-anticipated international summit to be held in Copenhagen in December of this year. Like the famous Kyoto Protocol, which will expire in 2012, the UN-led meeting in Copenhagen will attempt to draft a new treaty. This new treaty must define and govern international efforts to halt the current increase in greenhouse gas levels and initiate their decline within 10 to 15 years.

Climate experts warn us that reaching a substantial global consensus is the world's last chance to avoid irreversible climate change and widespread catastrophe. And if that unsettles you, know that some British experts are already saying that it's too late; there's not enough time to make the massive changes necessary. What is certain, in any case, is that while swift action is desperately needed, it's far from assured.

After a key preparatory meeting in Poznan last December, the feedback from attendees was mixed. Many feigned optimism, but the true feeling seemed to be that finding an accord in Copenhagen, though possible, was going to be difficult. And much will hinge on the level of engagement of the new American administration. Will the United States find the courage to lead unselfishly and with a true global consciousness?

Stavros Dimas, the European Union Environment Commissioner, was categorical, saying significant sacrifices will have to be made on the part of more developed nations in order to ease the transition for less developed and emerging economies. Leaders of developed nations will have to be willing to reduce their emissions by 80 to 90%, and invest heavily in clean alternative energy solutions, while providing economic incentives to facilitate the compliance of more fragile economies. "If there is no money on the table," he said, "there will be no deal."

On a somewhat positive note, international polls show world consensus that global warming is a serious threat and needs to be addressed. In fact, support for action has never been higher, particularly in the United States. So it is possible to have faith that because of the urgency of the hour and the overwhelming support, an agreement will surely be reached. But when president Bush, representing the country responsible for 25% of the world's carbon dioxide emissions (for only 4% of it's population), refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol because of the financial strain it threatened to put on the oil and coal industries, the world was blindsided. And while other countries respected their engagements, the achievements of the protocol were greatly lessened by the abstention of the United States. It would seem then that, despite the pressing need, national leaders are still capable of ignoring obvious crises because of short-term or short-sighted goals.

And so the question remains, "What can we do besides wait and hope for the best?"

For starters, practicing daily energy conservation is the single most important step an individual can take to curb global carbon dioxide emissions. Reflect on the fact that we rely entirely too much on cooling or super-heating our interiors when simply putting on a sweater in the winter or shutting off lights and closing blinds in the summer would decrease the need. Houses similarly can be made more energy efficient by carefully choosing appliances with Energy Star ratings and insulating or replacing aging parts.

On a more public level, it is important that legislators and government officials feel sufficiently pressured to enact environmentally protective laws and allocate funds to develop non-polluting renewable energy solutions. Local activism and letter writing are ways to achieve this. And a clear message needs to be sent to businesses that you value responsibility and will only buy from those that invest in environmental protection. Corporate complacency, putting short-term profits ahead of all other considerations, is, after all, the main reason our industries are so inefficient and polluting.

So, even as we countdown to one of the most pivotal international summits of our time, consider the changes that can begin in your own homes and communities. It's possibly the best shot you have at a stable future.

For more information on the Countdown to Copenhagen, please visit the UNFCCC's website: http://unfccc.int/2860.php

Sources:

World Faces Last Chance to Avoid Fatal Warming: EU (Reuters, Feb. 27, 2009, Gergely Szakacs)
http://www.reuters.com/article/envi...

Huge Year for Natural Disasters (BBC News, published Dec. 29, 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business...

Through the Climate Window (BBC News, published Feb. 2, 2007, Richard Black)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/...

At a Glance: IPCC REPORT (BBC News, published Feb. 2, 2007)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/...

Too Late? Why Scientists Say We Should Expect the Worst (The Guardian, Dec. 9, 2008, David Adam)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...

Mood Mixed as Climate Summit Ends (BBC News, published Dec. 13, 2008, Richard Black)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/...

30-Country Poll Finds Worldwide Consensus that Climate Change is a Serious Problem (W.P.O.) http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...

Global Warming Basics (NRDC, last revised Oct. 18, 2005)
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/f...

The Sunday Times/Times Online U.K.

March 15/2009

Plan B: Scientists Get Radical In Bid to Halt Global Warming Catastrophe

Jonathan Leake

THE director of a Nasa space laboratory will this week lead thousands of climate change campaigners through Coventry in an extraordinary intervention in British politics.

James Hansen plans to use Thursday’s Climate Change Day of Action to put pressure on Gordon Brown to wake up to the threat of climate change - by halting the construction of new power stations and the expansion of airports, with schemes such as the third runway at Heathrow.

The move by a leading American researcher is the highest-profile example to date of the way climate change is politicising scientists.

It follows last week’s climate science summit in Copenhagen where 2,500 leading climate scientists issued a stark warning to politicians that unless they took drastic action to cut carbon emissions, the world would face “irreversible shifts in climate”.

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They warned that global temperature increases averaging more than 4C were now possible and that human-generated CO2 could also acidify the world’s oceans, wiping out life-forms ranging from tiny plankton to coral reefs.

Hansen, director of Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said he believed scientists, the people who knew most about climate change, now had a moral obligation to become politically active. He has chosen Coventry to stage Thursday’s protest because it is home to E.ON, the power company that is planning a giant new coal-fired power station at Kingsnorth in Kent.

He will lead the demonstrators to a final protest on its doorstep. The protest, being organised by Christian Aid, will involve a New Orleans-style funeral march by “mourners” for future lost generations.

“We can no longer allow politicians and business to twist and ignore science,” said Hansen.

“The scientists can connect the dots and define the implications of different policy choices and we should make clear those implications.”

Hansen also launched a direct attack on the Labour government, criticising its decision to approve a new runway at Heathrow and calling the Kingsnorth proposal a “terrible idea”.

“One power plant with a lifetime of several decades will destroy the efforts of millions of citizens to reduce their emissions,” he said.

Hansen is just one of a number of leading researchers who believe that scientists must get out of their laboratories and campaign on climate change.

They say researchers have spent nearly two decades producing high-quality research demonstrating that the world risks dangerous warming - yet political inaction means CO2 emissions are rising faster than ever. Many also believe the United Nations talks aimed at a global treaty on cutting emissions are likely to fail.

They compare the anger and concern among climate researchers to that felt by physicists as they watched the massive growth in nuclear weapons in the 1950s and 1960s.

Back then, such concerns prompted many leading scientists to become politically active in movements such as the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.

The leaders of that movement even included Professor Peter Higgs, the theoretical physicist now best known for describing the Higgs Boson particle, which is thought to give matter its mass.

His modern counterparts include scientists such as Dr Simon Lewis, a Royal Society research fellow, at the Earth and Biosphere Institute at Leeds University, whose recent research on the impact of climate change on tropical forests has been published in leading journals such as Nature and Science.

Lewis believes his understanding of climate change means he is morally obliged to become a climate activist. He took part in the recent Climate Camp protests at both Kingsnorth and Heathrow.

He has also joined with other protesters to buy land outside Sipson, the village near Heathrow that would be destroyed by construction of the runway.

“If the government permits the building of new infrastruc-ture which locks us into a future of high CO2 emissions, there is a moral obligation to try to stop them,” he said.

Even the Met Office, which traditionally has been one of the government’s most conservative research institutions, has become quietly radical over climate.

It sent a team of its top climate scientists to the Copenhagen meeting - backing them with a team of publicists who lobbied journalists intensively to maximise coverage of their research.

Others have used scientific publications to make overtly political points. Professor Kevin Anderson, director of the Tyndall Centre, the government’s leading global warming research centre, recently used the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, one of the world’s most respected academic journals, to call for a “planned global recession” to cut carbon emissions.

“Emissions are rising so fast that we are heading for a world that will be 4C-5C warmer than now by 2100. That would be catastrophic,” he wrote.

“Unless economic growth can be reconciled with unprecedented rates of decarbonisa-tion, it is difficult to foresee anything other than a planned economic recession being compatible with stabilising the climate.”

Even other climate researchers were shocked by such overtly political comments in a pure research paper but Anderson is unrepentant.

Speaking in Copenhagen last week, a meeting he attended by train and ferry to maintain his personal boycott of flights, he said: “Scientists have lost patience with carefully constructed messages being lost in the political noise. We must stand up for what we know.”

Others believe many more scientists will feel obliged to take a similar stand.

Marcus du Sautoy, professor for the public understanding of science and professor of mathematics at Oxford University, said climate change was “galvanising” the scientific community.

“The evidence and data is all there but politicians don’t seem to understand what the science is telling them, so the scientists feel they have to respond,” he said.

John Harris, professor of bioethics at Manchester University, said scientists had become more willing to get politically active after mounting successful campaigns against proposals to put legal restrictions on embryo and stem cell research.

“Scientists are increasingly aware of their public responsibilities and realise there is not much point in doing science unless your findings will be uti-lised. They now realise that if they make themselves heard on climate change then policy makers will react,” he said.

Kathy Sykes, professor of sciences and society at Bristol University, said scientists were increasingly aware that they had a duty to convey their knowledge more effectively - and that meant becoming political.

“Every now and again, when things become absolutely desperate, as it has with climate change, scientists have to become advocates,” she said.

The threat

Copenhagen climate summit - the scientist’s key findings and recommendations:

Humanity is releasing 50 billion tons of CO2 into the air each year - and this is rising by 2%-3% a year, far faster than scientists had predicted

Such emissions are already changing the climate, including an increase in the Earth’s temperature, rising sea levels and a rapid melting of the world’s glaciers

About 40% of humanity’s CO2 emissions are absorbed by the oceans - but these are now acidifying, threatening marine life Global temperature rises could exceed 2C by mid-century, which would cause widespread water shortages and potentially famine

Every year of delay in cutting greenhouse gas emissions makes it much harder to keep the global temperature rise below 2C

Delays also raise the risk of crossing tipping points - changes in the Earth’s dynamics that accelerate the warming effects

Developing countries are least able to cope with climate change, so millions of the world’s poorest people will suffer the worst deprivation as temperatures rise

Humanity would gain many extra benefits from cutting emissions, including new jobs, improved health and preservation of wildlife

Inaction is “inexcusable”. The world has the technology and tools needed to tackle greenhouse gas emissions and rising temperatures.

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avyaktam · 03-25-2009, 03:14 AM

No. it is propaganda.

orthodoxymoron · 03-25-2009, 03:14 AM

It is my understanding that all of the planets in our solar system are undergoing global warming. How can this be? We certainly are not responsible for the warming of the other planets. Could Earth be warming, with or without, our help? Could HAARP be partially responsible for weather changes, earthquakes, etc? Some say that an alien race seeks to save the world by exterminating us. Could this be true?

Rainchild · 03-25-2009, 05:13 AM

air + billion watt microwave = drought and warming

Starlah · 03-25-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by avyaktam

No. it is propaganda.

There is no doubt on the fact that the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting and at this time extensive research is being conducted by scientists on how much of the ice is melting and the speed at which it is melting contributing to a possible 3ft. rise in sea levels by 2100.
Factor all this in with earthquakes and tsunamis you will see millions affected in low lying coastal regions with major cities wiped out.
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Dominic · 03-25-2009, 07:47 AM

I do not buy the global warming at all.

Humble Janitor · 03-25-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by avyaktam

No. it is propaganda.

What's propaganda? The deaths of people worldwide from the increased intensity of disasters? If you believe that's propaganda, then there's something very wrong with you.

There is no more time to dicker over the cause of these global changes. We ran out of time a long time ago. There's no more time for the "OMG Global warming is a hoax! OMG!" threads and posts on here.

We have to face the reality of what's happening and no matter what you believe or what you call it, it's happening.

Humble Janitor · 03-25-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

I do not buy the global warming at all.

It does not matter if you buy it or not. It is happening.

Just do not tell people who are personally affected by global changes that you do not believe in what's happening to them.

Dominic · 03-25-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainchild

air + billion watt microwave = drought and warming

Global warming equals chemtrails and HAARP

Karen · 03-25-2009, 08:37 AM

Dear Sweet Starlah,

This is scam, one purpose of which is to put a global carbon tax on every human activity on earth.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...alwarming.html

Video
The Great Global Warming Swindle
http://www.viddler.com/explore/micheleforan/videos/2/

The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam By John Coleman
January 28, 2009 (Revised and edited February 11, 2009)
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../38574742.html
Be sure to look up John Coleman's writing on other social engineering programs out of such institutions as Tavistock

http://www.whale.to/b/tavistock6.html
According to John Coleman, the elite has been writing and directing the script for almost hundred years at the "Tavistock Institute of Human Relations" based in London.
(Coleman http://www.greatdreams.com/coleman.html)

We have been conned. Many scientists believe things are much better for life on Earth with a slightly warmer temperature and higher CO2 levels. The plants love and flourish in higher CO2. And they respire to increase the oxygen levels. There are places where the polar ice sheets are building up.
Stranded Polar Bear Hoax
http://newsbusters.org/node/11879

The Earth and all the planets in our system *were* warming up because the sun was more active with sunspots. "Were" because now the sun has been very quiet and last I checked was still late in it's normal cycle to increase the sunspots again. During the last two winters, the Northern states in the USA have experienced brutally cold and snowy weather. And similar conditions of cooling have been reported from all over the globe.
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../38574742.html

Plus we are in a galactic cycle where many things are going to change. The energetic field of space at this point changes and no one really know what happens next.

Realizing that global warming is a scam should be no excuse to not work to clean up our act on this planet. I am alarmed at the 100's of thousands of chemicals being produced and spewed into air and water and slathered onto our bodies to be absorbed and disturb our health.

The world controllers had meetings where they wrote up plans to con us with environmental tales of woe to make us feel guilty that it is our fault. Now we will have to pay global "carbon taxes" for the privilege of breathing the air, driving our cars, and manufacturing our modern conveniences. It is our fault so we must decrease our numbers, stop having children, suicide ourselves, for the sake of the planet. It's mostly lies. Humans might contribute 3% to global warming.

They con us on the left, they con us on the right, they con us from cradle to grave, and from up to down. Vaccines are horrible poisons, and cause life-long degenerative illness. They did little to lower incidence of disease. Polio was nearly naturally extinguished before the vaccine and most cases after that were vaccine caused. Increased hygiene and nutrition are probably what lowered infectious disease rates. The education systems are designed to dumb us down - the religious systems to control us - the political systems are a total joke. And Al Gore is bought and paid for and espouses bad science.

And then we have the weather wars compliments of the insane people in control of the planet.
http://www.stevequayle.com/books/Weather_Wars.html
http://www.ecoenquirer.com/weather-wars.htm
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.aler...War.index.html

Swanny · 03-25-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

I do not buy the global warming at all.

Nor me

iainl140285 · 03-25-2009, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What's propaganda? The deaths of people worldwide from the increased intensity of disasters? If you believe that's propaganda, then there's something very wrong with you.

There is no more time to dicker over the cause of these global changes. We ran out of time a long time ago. There's no more time for the "OMG Global warming is a hoax! OMG!" threads and posts on here.

We have to face the reality of what's happening and no matter what you believe or what you call it, it's happening.

No matter what you believe or what you call it ....

Hmmm, it would appear someone is not as humble as ones name would suggest.

You have to remember HJ that EVERYONE is entitled to a belief of their choosing - whether YOU believe it to be wrong or right. Whilst putting your own point across, your above sentence is very dismissive of others beliefs.

Peace
Iain

Karen · 03-25-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What's propaganda? The deaths of people worldwide from the increased intensity of disasters? If you believe that's propaganda, then there's something very wrong with you.

There is no more time to dicker over the cause of these global changes. We ran out of time a long time ago. There's no more time for the "OMG Global warming is a hoax! OMG!" threads and posts on here.

We have to face the reality of what's happening and no matter what you believe or what you call it, it's happening.

The storms, etc. are real. The cause is up for debate. And for good reason.

Let's say the planet is warming, as are all the other planets in our solar system, due to a galactic cycle. There is NOTHING anyone can do about this, but prepare. Let's say the government knows this is the truth of the matter, but are hiding it from the "useless eaters", because they are so dumbed down, all they will do is panic and cause chaos. They deserve to stay in the coastal areas and die as the ice caps melt and the sea levels rise. And they are causing global warming, so it's good that they die. But ... why does our USA gov have major operations in mile high Denver, Colorado, ready to switch it over the the center of the fed gov?

Now a government that cared about it's people, that knew this was coming, would begin relocating people to higher ground, not telling them to turn in your automobile for a bicycle or walk everywhere, etc. etc.

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Now let's say the earth and all the planets in our solar system were heating up, but now because there have been no (or low numbers, not sure which) sunspots, the last two years are showing a cooling trend. Do we keep planning action like the temperature is just going up, up, up??? Maybe people should be relocating to the Southern states.

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Then we have our moron leaders playing weather wars and spewing chemtrails in the sky. They can rev up hurricanes and steer them!!! They have probably caused many of the large earthquakes. Maybe that huge tsunami around Christmas time a few years back was a war game where they dropped a nuke at just the right place on the ocean floor. Arrest these people and put them in jail so they can quit harming millions of people!!!
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/tsunami.html

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Then there is the prediction that the sun is soon going to send out a huge flare and you will need to be underground in order to survive. Or if the galactic forces are going to flip the planet and there will be 300 MPH winds - nothing will be left standing. People should be building underground for that.

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It matters why. It matters a lot. The mainstream info is lies, lies, lies. Dietary cholesterol does not cause heart disease. Cholesterol is used to make your brain and your nerves. Use an enzyme to clean our your arteries instead of heart bypass surgery. Sea salt is not your enemy, and low-salt diets are harming many people. Sodium is essential for numerous systems in the body. And on and on, thousands of lies. 97% of global warming is not caused by humans, but by the position of our solar system in the galaxy. And when you shine the light of truth on their stinkin' lies, they can't get away with it anymore.

Maybe this planet is just set up for maximal suffering and harvest of "loosh."
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064
montalk wrote: Loosh - another term for lifeforce/emotional/spiritual energy. Term coined by Robert Monroe in his astral voyages where, upon interacting with nonphysical entities, he learned this energy was called "loosh" and that mankind was being farmed for this energy.

Just a clarification about that, though. A common misconception about this Loosh harvesting often arises from people only telling one side of that story. Whereas Monroe initially fell into a rather severe depression when he discovered this system, he later was shown exactly how this Loosh energy was being utilized. I'm going to give a quick review of it because it is definitely worthy of consideration. Bear in mind though that, as Bob himself was told, it is hard to put universal processes into a perspective that can be unequivocally understood by our human minds.

Earth, it would appear, was the creation of a "Someone" coming from "Somewhere" for the purposes of cultivating this Loosh harvest. Apparently, Loosh is of great value in Somewhere, but is relatively scarce and hard to find. This Someone coming from Somewhere was the being/entity/intelligence that created the Earth Life System that we see in effect upon this planet today. In the course of experimentation, it was discovered that Loosh was emitted in a very unrefined state as a natural by-product of the carbon/oxygen life cycle taking place on Earth.

Keep reading here:
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

Connecting with Sauce · 03-25-2009, 01:04 PM

Superb post Karen... inline with my thinking from my research too... not heard of loosh but will know about it soon thanks

Also saves me typing similar things...

The book below "Apocalypse 2012: An Optimist investigates..." covers many of these topics and the Author Lawrence E. Joseph discusses these topics with specialists in each of these fields, a good read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apocalypse-2...7985730&sr=1-1

A few years ago I looked into the green eco thing and have the most fuel efficient car out, a Honda Insight (the original 2 seater aluminium version 80+mpg 80g CO2 from petrol) , it is a great littler car but I know CO2 is a global tax scam but still drive it because if fuel does spike to $200+ a barrel I will still be able to drive around economically... I will keep it until free energy devices are no longer surpressed (WANG, Tesla etc) and we start to do the right thing as a human race... I was also looking into eco houses etc but am holding fire until I know where to build which has a chance of being safe... Morroco and the Atlas Mountains is one of my places I need to visit soon

There's a yoga school there

John

Soulmate7 · 03-25-2009, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What's propaganda? The deaths of people worldwide from the increased intensity of disasters? If you believe that's propaganda, then there's something very wrong with you.

There is no more time to dicker over the cause of these global changes. We ran out of time a long time ago. There's no more time for the "OMG Global warming is a hoax! OMG!" threads and posts on here.

We have to face the reality of what's happening and no matter what you believe or what you call it, it's happening.

Once again it's the same one against the rest...

Is global warming caused by us? If "yes", why are all the other planets in our solar system warming up? Are there cars on Venus, factories on Saturn and cow sh*t on Mars?

The trick was to sell it to the masses via Hollywood. You then arrange that Illuminati-Gore wins the Oscar and it's a done deal, except to some who see through the lies.

The global warming caused-by-humans hoax is getting old and boring.

I'll go one step further: The farce most here call "the election" back in 2000, was a comedy aimed at making Gore world famous. Gore's green plans were written long before anyone knew he was going to be a candidate for the election.

777 The Great Work · 03-25-2009, 03:23 PM

Whats taking place with the sun is also taking place in man. Heat is needed durring in cube ation. AS ABOVE SO BELOW

iainl140285 · 03-25-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Whats taking place with the sun is also taking place in man. Heat is needed durring in cube ation. AS ABOVE SO BELOW

You know, heat can mmake a person go crazy!

The more I look around the more crazy I see

Iain

burgundia · 03-25-2009, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starlah

There is no doubt on the fact that the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting and at this time extensive research is being conducted by scientists on how much of the ice is melting and the speed at which it is melting contributing to a possible 3ft. rise in sea levels by 2100.
Factor all this in with earthquakes and tsunamis you will see millions affected in low lying coastal regions with major cities wiped out.
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recent studies show that the ice in Arctica is getting thicker and the population of polar bears has increased. of course i do not know who conducted the research ,in the sense what their agenda is.

burgundia · 03-25-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What's propaganda? The deaths of people worldwide from the increased intensity of disasters? If you believe that's propaganda, then there's something very wrong with you.

There is no more time to dicker over the cause of these global changes. We ran out of time a long time ago. There's no more time for the "OMG Global warming is a hoax! OMG!" threads and posts on here.

We have to face the reality of what's happening and no matter what you believe or what you call it, it's happening.

maybe soon we'll find out that there is something wrong with you....

Anthony4acre · 03-25-2009, 04:08 PM

Too bad,
If the world governments didn't constantly lie & did really want to prevent the so called global warming they could have had free energy technologies up running years ago.
Instead of ripping off the public & giving money away to greedy bankers & polluting car manufactures. They could have offered $100Billion to the first company that makes a free energy car. You will see all the manufactures pulling out secret project files & you would have an announcement in less then 2 weeks along with a prototype running in a month.
I'll take my chances with Nibiru in 2012, Not some silly lie about man made C02,

Anthony.

burgundia · 03-25-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony4acre

Too bad,

I'll take my chances with Nibiru in 2012, Not some silly lie about man made C02,

Anthony.

Quite possible Nibiru was that huge object that entered our solar system in 2003 and was expelled with a trmendous force by a sun flare.

Dantheman62 · 03-25-2009, 05:25 PM

Sorry Swanny and Dominic but there is global warming, but wait before you shoot me!
Think for a minute, it doesn't mean it's going to keep getting hotter and hotter until we melt, it's just part of a cycle that the earth has gone through time and time again.

It's just that now we're able to see it and measure it, and we've got people and instruments and cameras all over the world watching this happen, where as 200 years ago we didn't have any of that stuff.

There is ice melting in Greenland and Antarctica and there's plenty of pictures and tests to prove it. I think it's just part of normal cycles we've gone through hundreds of times in the past, who knows, next winter might be the coldest on record.

I would rather say "wow we sure had a warm winter last year huh!" instead of saying oh s...t it's global warming! LOL

Oh and good posts Karen!

777 The Great Work · 03-25-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Sorry Swanny and Dominic but there is global warming, but wait before you shoot me!
Think for a minute, it doesn't mean it's going to keep getting hotter and hotter until we melt, it's just part of a cycle that the earth has gone through time and time again.

It's just that now we're able to see it and measure it, and we've got people and instruments and cameras all over the world watching this happen, where as 200 years ago we didn't have any of that stuff.

There is ice melting in Greenland and Antarctica and there's plenty of pictures and tests to prove it. I think it's just part of normal cycles we've gone through hundreds of times in the past, who knows, next winter might be the coldest on record.

I would rather say "wow we sure had a warm winter last year huh!" instead of saying oh s...t it's global warming! LOL

Oh and good posts Karen!

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1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven;

and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:

and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

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fall. 26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,

as the light of seven days

, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound

Dantheman62 · 03-25-2009, 05:59 PM

HaHa-eth 777eth, I don't knoweth what it meanseth, but I liketh the explodingeth smiley faceth's LOLeth!

fossileyesed · 03-25-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

<< Malachi 4 >>
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1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven;

and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:

and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
<< Isaiah 30 >>
King James Bible
fall. 26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,

as the light of seven days

, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound

Amen 777

peace,love .kent

03-25-2009, 03:03 AM	#1
Starlah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 372	Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? It occurs to me that if all those globalist New World Order "Bimbos" like Henry Kissinger, Ziggy, Rahm Emmanuel among the many, and the maneuvering dangerous reptiles that have control of the CIA and the NSC would come to their senses and switch their focus to saving the Planet our species could look forward to an extraordinary Paradise in the next twenty years. However that dream does not look imminent and we continue down the path of self destruction. __________________________________________________ ______ http://www.naturalnews.com/025864.html This is the Final Call for Saving Our Planet Tuesday, March 17, 2009 by: Marianne Leigh, citizen journalist Key concepts: BBC, Global warming and Predictions (NaturalNews) Scientists and climate experts have been sounding the alarm on global warming for more than a decade with little result. The vast majority of people have simply rolled their eyes at predictions of widespread doom and gone about their business. But lately, a growing number are disturbed by the frequency and scale of natural catastrophes taking place. And the tide is beginning to shift towards taking predictions about global warming seriously. Today however, more than a decade later, the fear is no longer that this change might take place, but rather that it is already happening - at a faster rate than predicted. And it might already be irreversible. It would be impossible to ignore the changes taking place around us. In recent years our news has been saturated with unprecedented levels of catastrophe, destruction and death. In fact, the number of natural disasters worldwide has quadrupled in the past two decades. And while some want to dicker over the exact cause of the seismic disasters (earthquakes, tsunamis) signs are everywhere that the predicted changes are coming to pass. From Hurricanes Katrina and Ike in 2005 and the shocking heat wave that struck Europe in 2003, to widespread flooding, severe droughts and wildfires, it's clear enough that our planet is in revolt. Recently compiled geological and oceanographic data confirms that the situation is deteriorating at an accelerated rate. The sea is warming and its level rising; the polar ice caps and glaciers are disappearing. And even as our predictions become reality, new unlooked for factors keep appearing which make former worst-case scenarios seem mild. All hope for positive climate change is now pinned on a much-anticipated international summit to be held in Copenhagen in December of this year. Like the famous Kyoto Protocol, which will expire in 2012, the UN-led meeting in Copenhagen will attempt to draft a new treaty. This new treaty must define and govern international efforts to halt the current increase in greenhouse gas levels and initiate their decline within 10 to 15 years. Climate experts warn us that reaching a substantial global consensus is the world's last chance to avoid irreversible climate change and widespread catastrophe. And if that unsettles you, know that some British experts are already saying that it's too late; there's not enough time to make the massive changes necessary. What is certain, in any case, is that while swift action is desperately needed, it's far from assured. After a key preparatory meeting in Poznan last December, the feedback from attendees was mixed. Many feigned optimism, but the true feeling seemed to be that finding an accord in Copenhagen, though possible, was going to be difficult. And much will hinge on the level of engagement of the new American administration. Will the United States find the courage to lead unselfishly and with a true global consciousness? Stavros Dimas, the European Union Environment Commissioner, was categorical, saying significant sacrifices will have to be made on the part of more developed nations in order to ease the transition for less developed and emerging economies. Leaders of developed nations will have to be willing to reduce their emissions by 80 to 90%, and invest heavily in clean alternative energy solutions, while providing economic incentives to facilitate the compliance of more fragile economies. "If there is no money on the table," he said, "there will be no deal." On a somewhat positive note, international polls show world consensus that global warming is a serious threat and needs to be addressed. In fact, support for action has never been higher, particularly in the United States. So it is possible to have faith that because of the urgency of the hour and the overwhelming support, an agreement will surely be reached. But when president Bush, representing the country responsible for 25% of the world's carbon dioxide emissions (for only 4% of it's population), refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol because of the financial strain it threatened to put on the oil and coal industries, the world was blindsided. And while other countries respected their engagements, the achievements of the protocol were greatly lessened by the abstention of the United States. It would seem then that, despite the pressing need, national leaders are still capable of ignoring obvious crises because of short-term or short-sighted goals. And so the question remains, "What can we do besides wait and hope for the best?" For starters, practicing daily energy conservation is the single most important step an individual can take to curb global carbon dioxide emissions. Reflect on the fact that we rely entirely too much on cooling or super-heating our interiors when simply putting on a sweater in the winter or shutting off lights and closing blinds in the summer would decrease the need. Houses similarly can be made more energy efficient by carefully choosing appliances with Energy Star ratings and insulating or replacing aging parts. On a more public level, it is important that legislators and government officials feel sufficiently pressured to enact environmentally protective laws and allocate funds to develop non-polluting renewable energy solutions. Local activism and letter writing are ways to achieve this. And a clear message needs to be sent to businesses that you value responsibility and will only buy from those that invest in environmental protection. Corporate complacency, putting short-term profits ahead of all other considerations, is, after all, the main reason our industries are so inefficient and polluting. So, even as we countdown to one of the most pivotal international summits of our time, consider the changes that can begin in your own homes and communities. It's possibly the best shot you have at a stable future. For more information on the Countdown to Copenhagen, please visit the UNFCCC's website: http://unfccc.int/2860.php Sources: World Faces Last Chance to Avoid Fatal Warming: EU (Reuters, Feb. 27, 2009, Gergely Szakacs) http://www.reuters.com/article/envi... Huge Year for Natural Disasters (BBC News, published Dec. 29, 2008) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business... Through the Climate Window (BBC News, published Feb. 2, 2007, Richard Black) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/... At a Glance: IPCC REPORT (BBC News, published Feb. 2, 2007) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/... Too Late? Why Scientists Say We Should Expect the Worst (The Guardian, Dec. 9, 2008, David Adam) http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme... Mood Mixed as Climate Summit Ends (BBC News, published Dec. 13, 2008, Richard Black) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/... 30-Country Poll Finds Worldwide Consensus that Climate Change is a Serious Problem (W.P.O.) http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p... Global Warming Basics (NRDC, last revised Oct. 18, 2005) http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/f... The Sunday Times/Times Online U.K. March 15/2009 Plan B: Scientists Get Radical In Bid to Halt Global Warming Catastrophe Jonathan Leake THE director of a Nasa space laboratory will this week lead thousands of climate change campaigners through Coventry in an extraordinary intervention in British politics. James Hansen plans to use Thursday’s Climate Change Day of Action to put pressure on Gordon Brown to wake up to the threat of climate change - by halting the construction of new power stations and the expansion of airports, with schemes such as the third runway at Heathrow. The move by a leading American researcher is the highest-profile example to date of the way climate change is politicising scientists. It follows last week’s climate science summit in Copenhagen where 2,500 leading climate scientists issued a stark warning to politicians that unless they took drastic action to cut carbon emissions, the world would face “irreversible shifts in climate”. Related Links Global warming ‘can be controlled’ Scientists: world leaders must act on climate now Hopes of climate change accord 'are sinking' They warned that global temperature increases averaging more than 4C were now possible and that human-generated CO2 could also acidify the world’s oceans, wiping out life-forms ranging from tiny plankton to coral reefs. Hansen, director of Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said he believed scientists, the people who knew most about climate change, now had a moral obligation to become politically active. He has chosen Coventry to stage Thursday’s protest because it is home to E.ON, the power company that is planning a giant new coal-fired power station at Kingsnorth in Kent. He will lead the demonstrators to a final protest on its doorstep. The protest, being organised by Christian Aid, will involve a New Orleans-style funeral march by “mourners” for future lost generations. “We can no longer allow politicians and business to twist and ignore science,” said Hansen. “The scientists can connect the dots and define the implications of different policy choices and we should make clear those implications.” Hansen also launched a direct attack on the Labour government, criticising its decision to approve a new runway at Heathrow and calling the Kingsnorth proposal a “terrible idea”. “One power plant with a lifetime of several decades will destroy the efforts of millions of citizens to reduce their emissions,” he said. Hansen is just one of a number of leading researchers who believe that scientists must get out of their laboratories and campaign on climate change. They say researchers have spent nearly two decades producing high-quality research demonstrating that the world risks dangerous warming - yet political inaction means CO2 emissions are rising faster than ever. Many also believe the United Nations talks aimed at a global treaty on cutting emissions are likely to fail. They compare the anger and concern among climate researchers to that felt by physicists as they watched the massive growth in nuclear weapons in the 1950s and 1960s. Back then, such concerns prompted many leading scientists to become politically active in movements such as the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The leaders of that movement even included Professor Peter Higgs, the theoretical physicist now best known for describing the Higgs Boson particle, which is thought to give matter its mass. His modern counterparts include scientists such as Dr Simon Lewis, a Royal Society research fellow, at the Earth and Biosphere Institute at Leeds University, whose recent research on the impact of climate change on tropical forests has been published in leading journals such as Nature and Science. Lewis believes his understanding of climate change means he is morally obliged to become a climate activist. He took part in the recent Climate Camp protests at both Kingsnorth and Heathrow. He has also joined with other protesters to buy land outside Sipson, the village near Heathrow that would be destroyed by construction of the runway. “If the government permits the building of new infrastruc-ture which locks us into a future of high CO2 emissions, there is a moral obligation to try to stop them,” he said. Even the Met Office, which traditionally has been one of the government’s most conservative research institutions, has become quietly radical over climate. It sent a team of its top climate scientists to the Copenhagen meeting - backing them with a team of publicists who lobbied journalists intensively to maximise coverage of their research. Others have used scientific publications to make overtly political points. Professor Kevin Anderson, director of the Tyndall Centre, the government’s leading global warming research centre, recently used the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, one of the world’s most respected academic journals, to call for a “planned global recession” to cut carbon emissions. “Emissions are rising so fast that we are heading for a world that will be 4C-5C warmer than now by 2100. That would be catastrophic,” he wrote. “Unless economic growth can be reconciled with unprecedented rates of decarbonisa-tion, it is difficult to foresee anything other than a planned economic recession being compatible with stabilising the climate.” Even other climate researchers were shocked by such overtly political comments in a pure research paper but Anderson is unrepentant. Speaking in Copenhagen last week, a meeting he attended by train and ferry to maintain his personal boycott of flights, he said: “Scientists have lost patience with carefully constructed messages being lost in the political noise. We must stand up for what we know.” Others believe many more scientists will feel obliged to take a similar stand. Marcus du Sautoy, professor for the public understanding of science and professor of mathematics at Oxford University, said climate change was “galvanising” the scientific community. “The evidence and data is all there but politicians don’t seem to understand what the science is telling them, so the scientists feel they have to respond,” he said. John Harris, professor of bioethics at Manchester University, said scientists had become more willing to get politically active after mounting successful campaigns against proposals to put legal restrictions on embryo and stem cell research. “Scientists are increasingly aware of their public responsibilities and realise there is not much point in doing science unless your findings will be uti-lised. They now realise that if they make themselves heard on climate change then policy makers will react,” he said. Kathy Sykes, professor of sciences and society at Bristol University, said scientists were increasingly aware that they had a duty to convey their knowledge more effectively - and that meant becoming political. “Every now and again, when things become absolutely desperate, as it has with climate change, scientists have to become advocates,” she said. The threat Copenhagen climate summit - the scientist’s key findings and recommendations: Humanity is releasing 50 billion tons of CO2 into the air each year - and this is rising by 2%-3% a year, far faster than scientists had predicted Such emissions are already changing the climate, including an increase in the Earth’s temperature, rising sea levels and a rapid melting of the world’s glaciers About 40% of humanity’s CO2 emissions are absorbed by the oceans - but these are now acidifying, threatening marine life Global temperature rises could exceed 2C by mid-century, which would cause widespread water shortages and potentially famine Every year of delay in cutting greenhouse gas emissions makes it much harder to keep the global temperature rise below 2C Delays also raise the risk of crossing tipping points - changes in the Earth’s dynamics that accelerate the warming effects Developing countries are least able to cope with climate change, so millions of the world’s poorest people will suffer the worst deprivation as temperatures rise Humanity would gain many extra benefits from cutting emissions, including new jobs, improved health and preservation of wildlife Inaction is “inexcusable”. The world has the technology and tools needed to tackle greenhouse gas emissions and rising temperatures. __________________________________________________ ______ When the going gets tough, the tough get going...(Unknown)

03-25-2009, 03:14 AM	#2
avyaktam Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Auroville, India Posts: 268	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? No. it is propaganda.

03-25-2009, 03:14 AM	#3
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? It is my understanding that all of the planets in our solar system are undergoing global warming. How can this be? We certainly are not responsible for the warming of the other planets. Could Earth be warming, with or without, our help? Could HAARP be partially responsible for weather changes, earthquakes, etc? Some say that an alien race seeks to save the world by exterminating us. Could this be true?

03-25-2009, 05:13 AM	#4
Rainchild Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina Posts: 61	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? air + billion watt microwave = drought and warming

03-25-2009, 07:47 AM	#6
Dominic Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Edgewood, Wa. Posts: 302	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? I do not buy the global warming at all.

03-25-2009, 08:37 AM	#10
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? Dear Sweet Starlah, This is scam, one purpose of which is to put a global carbon tax on every human activity on earth. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...alwarming.html Video The Great Global Warming Swindle http://www.viddler.com/explore/micheleforan/videos/2/ The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam By John Coleman January 28, 2009 (Revised and edited February 11, 2009) http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../38574742.html Be sure to look up John Coleman's writing on other social engineering programs out of such institutions as Tavistock http://www.whale.to/b/tavistock6.html According to John Coleman, the elite has been writing and directing the script for almost hundred years at the "Tavistock Institute of Human Relations" based in London. (Coleman http://www.greatdreams.com/coleman.html) We have been conned. Many scientists believe things are much better for life on Earth with a slightly warmer temperature and higher CO2 levels. The plants love and flourish in higher CO2. And they respire to increase the oxygen levels. There are places where the polar ice sheets are building up. Stranded Polar Bear Hoax http://newsbusters.org/node/11879 The Earth and all the planets in our system were warming up because the sun was more active with sunspots. "Were" because now the sun has been very quiet and last I checked was still late in it's normal cycle to increase the sunspots again. During the last two winters, the Northern states in the USA have experienced brutally cold and snowy weather. And similar conditions of cooling have been reported from all over the globe. http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../38574742.html Plus we are in a galactic cycle where many things are going to change. The energetic field of space at this point changes and no one really know what happens next. Realizing that global warming is a scam should be no excuse to not work to clean up our act on this planet. I am alarmed at the 100's of thousands of chemicals being produced and spewed into air and water and slathered onto our bodies to be absorbed and disturb our health. The world controllers had meetings where they wrote up plans to con us with environmental tales of woe to make us feel guilty that it is our fault. Now we will have to pay global "carbon taxes" for the privilege of breathing the air, driving our cars, and manufacturing our modern conveniences. It is our fault so we must decrease our numbers, stop having children, suicide ourselves, for the sake of the planet. It's mostly lies. Humans might contribute 3% to global warming. They con us on the left, they con us on the right, they con us from cradle to grave, and from up to down. Vaccines are horrible poisons, and cause life-long degenerative illness. They did little to lower incidence of disease. Polio was nearly naturally extinguished before the vaccine and most cases after that were vaccine caused. Increased hygiene and nutrition are probably what lowered infectious disease rates. The education systems are designed to dumb us down - the religious systems to control us - the political systems are a total joke. And Al Gore is bought and paid for and espouses bad science. And then we have the weather wars compliments of the insane people in control of the planet. http://www.stevequayle.com/books/Weather_Wars.html http://www.ecoenquirer.com/weather-wars.htm http://www.stevequayle.com/News.aler...War.index.html Last edited by Karen; 03-25-2009 at 09:13 AM.

03-25-2009, 01:04 PM	#14
Connecting with Sauce Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 650	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? Superb post Karen... inline with my thinking from my research too... not heard of loosh but will know about it soon thanks Also saves me typing similar things... The book below "Apocalypse 2012: An Optimist investigates..." covers many of these topics and the Author Lawrence E. Joseph discusses these topics with specialists in each of these fields, a good read. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apocalypse-2...7985730&sr=1-1 A few years ago I looked into the green eco thing and have the most fuel efficient car out, a Honda Insight (the original 2 seater aluminium version 80+mpg 80g CO2 from petrol) , it is a great littler car but I know CO2 is a global tax scam but still drive it because if fuel does spike to $200+ a barrel I will still be able to drive around economically... I will keep it until free energy devices are no longer surpressed (WANG, Tesla etc) and we start to do the right thing as a human race... I was also looking into eco houses etc but am holding fire until I know where to build which has a chance of being safe... Morroco and the Atlas Mountains is one of my places I need to visit soon There's a yoga school there John

03-25-2009, 03:23 PM	#16
777 The Great Work Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At the doors of perception Posts: 2,135	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? Whats taking place with the sun is also taking place in man. Heat is needed durring in cube ation. AS ABOVE SO BELOW

03-25-2009, 04:08 PM	#20
Anthony4acre Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mittagong NSW Australia Posts: 8	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? Too bad, If the world governments didn't constantly lie & did really want to prevent the so called global warming they could have had free energy technologies up running years ago. Instead of ripping off the public & giving money away to greedy bankers & polluting car manufactures. They could have offered $100Billion to the first company that makes a free energy car. You will see all the manufactures pulling out secret project files & you would have an announcement in less then 2 weeks along with a prototype running in a month. I'll take my chances with Nibiru in 2012, Not some silly lie about man made C02, Anthony.

03-25-2009, 05:25 PM	#22
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? Sorry Swanny and Dominic but there is global warming, but wait before you shoot me! Think for a minute, it doesn't mean it's going to keep getting hotter and hotter until we melt, it's just part of a cycle that the earth has gone through time and time again. It's just that now we're able to see it and measure it, and we've got people and instruments and cameras all over the world watching this happen, where as 200 years ago we didn't have any of that stuff. There is ice melting in Greenland and Antarctica and there's plenty of pictures and tests to prove it. I think it's just part of normal cycles we've gone through hundreds of times in the past, who knows, next winter might be the coldest on record. I would rather say "wow we sure had a warm winter last year huh!" instead of saying oh s...t it's global warming! LOL Oh and good posts Karen!

03-25-2009, 05:59 PM	#24
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Is This The Final Call For Saving Planet Earth? HaHa-eth 777eth, I don't knoweth what it meanseth, but I liketh the explodingeth smiley faceth's LOLeth!