So very few people on avalon

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

people have the information they need for survival/obama is in so its all ok now/they have formed new partenrship and ground crews/some people are weak minded and cant handle certain information./some were confused to what avalon is about and have left? there are still great threads started by GREG ARTURO for example.. the useless fluff has been trimmed and there a less threads. quality not quantity??

[capreycorn]

[burgundia]

Because it is Sunday? Because we need a break from time to time? Because we don't want to become Avalon-addicts? underline the correct answer

Its because of me, sorry.


One

[skyrimirre]

I agree some people can't handle it and would like to stay asleep and believe
that Obama's in so they can sit back on the laurels.

Anyway, those of us who are here should be. Those who feel to leave, shouldn't be here.

Either way, there is a future out there waiting and we can deal with it or we can't, it is the same.

[freespirit]

the most user's online was the 10,15,08 just in case you don't know-
that was during and after the whole blossom event or nonevent.
In any case it brought us all together.
people need to talk and not just about anything but topic's that are current-
and inciteful.
as long as avalon exists i will always be logging in and out-daily.
Imagination is'nt everything without a little bit of something.

freespirit

[Elephant Man]

Ive noticed a great reduction in worthless threads. I have also found some amazing information from people in here, I have found great humour, great artwork and some pretty cool interpretations of history. I also asked to be deleted a few weeks back, when avalon was full of politics and B.O. I'm glad they didnt delete me, cos since then Ive found some great stuff. Rock on!

peace

[Seth Haniel]

maybe more than first glance - but all posts in quarantine being vetted before post or deletion by moderators

[Dantheman62]

It goes up and down like ocean tides, some people left on their own and some were banned. Those that were banned should've been because either they were doom and gloomers or smart asses bad mouthing people.I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites bad mouthing Avalon, which is chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you! If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen,get out! But if you stay, don't cry about getting burned later on.There's still alot of info. and daily news items to discuss, and alot over in Camelot to talk about and read up on.

[THE eXchanger]

WOW...it was just snowing here ...

maybe, it is time to hiberate !!!

maybe, it is time to sort out your life !!!

(the biggest question, for me, right now, is, how do you face it, alone)

there is "real" work, that, i know, i need to do...
so, at this time, i am off to write my book(s)

Brightest blessings of energy, light and love to all of you...
Susan
The eXchanger

[Tara]

I'm not going anywhere. I love this forum, and the people on it. The main reason I love it is, all the information that is made available. It is fringe type stuff we will not find anywhere else. We will always have differing opinions on issues, but so what? People have opened my mind to some issues. It is a bit addicting though. I have a hard time not checking in daily.

[RSF]

I certainly agree with your first line Elephant Man. I learn alot from the high-quality posts here on PC and PA. I too have noticed as of late the quality of posts seem to be increasing and the sarcasm shrinking. I'm very happy to be a contributor here.
RSF

[777 The Great Work]

AVALON AHHHHH

[sunshineseastar]

[QUOTE=Dantheman62;81067]some were banned. Those that were banned I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites

really ? what other sites......?? i miss some of the some of them had good points....i would enjoy sayin hello to them.......

oh and seems as if your pointing at yourself.....bad mouthing you say ? and i quote "chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you!!"

[Dantheman62]

You only got part of my quote in your message, I said those that were banned should've been because they were posting stupid doom and gloom threads, or were bad mouthing people.There's a guy named gazbom or something like that, that has a blog where norval goes to bad mouth avalon, norval used to be on the forum also until he was banned. And to go elsewhere and talk trash about this forum after being banned here is chicken s...t in my book.If some people were banned there's a reason why, so no need to cry about it somewhere else. I've never talked bad about Bill or Kerry or the mods, nor will I. I've never been warned or had any infraction points or even been pm'd by any mods. You don't go into somebody's house and tell them the carpet stinks, or the paint's an ugly color, or the food sucks, it's called respect.

[Dean Plejaren]

SIR GALAHAD here's what happened. The forum made an attempt to go in the right direction. Babies complained and moderators fixed it.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites bad mouthing Avalon, which is chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you! If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen,get out!

............They did not run away they were banned. So who is running away. Who can't stand the heat. You contradict yourself. And why is there 'some bully' picking on then. That means the bully is the coward not the one standing up for themself. So you have it backwards as usual.

[Dantheman62]

Alright you need to read that again, I said that's LIKE running home to mommy crying about some bully picking on you! I didn't say they were running away!, Yes they were banned! And when I say if you can't stand the heat,get out, that means if you don't like it here then leave, don't stay around and moan and complain about it!

[Dean Plejaren]

That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

[sunshineseastar]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

the voice of truth !!!!!!! thanks.....

[Karen]

1) The voice of truth? 2) Owners pet? 3) Too quick to be banned?

My comments:
1) Not the voice of truth that I hear. I see a lot of opinion there, some I agree with and much that I don't agree with and some downright erroneous.
2) I was not given any list of of "owners pets."
3) Too quick to be banned some may say, and not quick enough for others. There are many different personality types on the forum. Some love to be argumentative. Some find argumentation to be most unpleasant. The ban rate here has been very, very tiny. As the mod team continues to change members and there is more communication and training, and the work load spread a little thinner, there should be less people feeling unfairly dealt with. Give us a chance. Many times other members make complaints about a person which over time lead to that person being banned if their unpleasant behavior continues to upset other members.
_____________
Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren
That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

Originally Posted by sunshineseastar

the voice of truth !!!!!!! thanks.....

[blastawaycas]

or it might be because everybody is getting there computer fried this is the third one this week

[Dean Plejaren]

Give us a chance.

A chance at what? You have all the chances. I'm defending peoples freedom to have one. The point is to be able to express without getting banned or penalized or threads moved deleted in what I see as a bias fashion. It may not be conscious so I'm not accusing anyone. Give the people who are banned a chance. That is a suggestion not a complaint or protest.

If people complain well they can complain. I never let complaints control me neither should anyone else worry about anything anyone complains about or lies about. As long as you stick to the truth lies are just lies and ignorance ignorance. If you cannot defeat lies with truth it only proves you don't have enough truth to defeat it. Censorship is not how you defeat any problem you can trust me on that because it's factual. Remember this is not an argument, do as you wish. I'm just stating how things are. When you delete threads move things around ban people. You do it out of discernment of what is supposedly the best thing. I'm just saying how I see the situation if you think I am wrong that is ok. And ban me if you wish. My opinion remands the same.

If I have made any assumptions in particular that are wrong feel free to point them out. I'm not against you saying so. Just as you shouldn't be against me saying what I think.

My avatar, that shouldn't be a problem. If anyone is offended contact me for clarification. It has never being a problem. I have only saw one person ask about what it meant. If anyone was upset complaining to me would be more sensible since I am the one with the avatar. Yet I haven't seen anyone complain as yet publically or privately to me.

Could you be making excuses? Are you being defensive? I don't see a problem with anyone I just like to say things as I see them. If people create rumors or lies that is their business it doesn't mean I am going to infringe on their ability to express simply because their behavior may not be suitable for myself. Better they are allowed to make mistakes and learn. I'm only saying this as the subject came up normally I would not bring it up only someone asked about this.

5200 people is only a big deal if you have an ineffective approach. Otherwise they are simply free spirits speaking their mind and it's not really that much work when everyone does a little bit to help keep the forum running. Like you being moderator and such. What crushing workload? I would just let them be as they are and let them lead themself......it shouldn't be a crushing workload. Keep in mind I haven't assumed anything about anyone.

This is also strange that you say half of it was because of technical issues. I was there and I know what happened was not a technical puzzle it was clearly active moderation with clear distinct choices that were being made at the time. What technical issue could it have being? If you mean there was not a function to more effectively control peoples opinion than I have to say forums are not made for that purpose.

To UNITY!
To the TRUTH!

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

I'm defending peoples freedom to have one.

Dean, why do you feel that you need to "speak for" / "defend" people here or "there"? DO you think this forum is full of shy people who cannot speak for themselves. Have you considered that many are quite happy just to lurk and get all the good stuff that is here, or just contribute in peace.

What is it that YOU really want? If it is total freedom to engage in any forum behaviour including that which contravene's the forum guideliness then great - I get that, maybe YOU don't agree with all of the guidelines, but it is Avalon with Avalon's guidelines and not Dean's forum with Dean's guidelines.

Avalon values positive contribution, factual contribution, healthy debate and opinions, above that it values that all this is done in a respectful and as harmless a manner as possible. The moderators are there to assisst this process.

Avalon encourages that decency, and I feel pretty confident that most of the membership encourages/hopes for it to, since that is what makes it strong.

Further, I presume that the majority who do operate within the guidelines dont really understand why the few who dont, do what they do. Or if they do, (sometimes it is obvious) they dont speak up because they dont want to further fan the fires - they would preffer to stick with Avalons mission. They dont want endless threads of bonecrushing debate, or to be personally attacked for thier views, or see forum bashing and negativity - all of which is, more often than not, off-topic.

In any case those that fail to meet these quite normal standards of human decency should expect to either be encouraged to change or, if necessary stop contributing (by thier choice or Avalon's depending on the situation).

You have said elsewhere that you are going to start your own unmoderated forum? Were is it? You can say that here as a reply to this message and I promise that we won't bust you for advertising. Either way, I wish you well in your experiment.

A..

[Peer]

@Dean, you wrote:

I'm just stating how things are.

If I have made any assumptions in particular that are wrong feel free to point them out.

Well my dear dean you assume to know how things are.
In my humble opinion those assumptions are wrong.
You don't know half of what is going on nor do you see the mods being bashed.
It's great to see you defending the truth assuming you know the truth.

But have you read the forum guidelines?
I doubt it.
Internet is free as is the highway.
A forum is like a car on that freeway or a house on the side of it.

Sitting in that car or entering that house requires that you behave like a guest and the rules are made very clear in the avalon guidelines.
If people would come into my house yelling and screaming and insultiing me in my own house I have the right to kick them out faster than they can fly and I would not call that censorship.

I do run a forum myself and the rules are very clear.
If anyone has a problem with that he/she is free to go whether he/she claims to know or speak the truth or not.
If someone dashes in to tell me how to run my own forum he or she has obviously not read the forumguidelines.
He or she will get a warning and if his or her attitude doesn't change he or she gets banned and that is my right as a forum owner and it is my duty as well because in the guidelines I promised that the ones sharing the intentions the forum was meant for would be protected from people bumping in trying to rip things apart and breaking the whole thing up and believe me:
There are people that have no other intentions than doing just that.

Remember it is only your truth you speak and as long as you keep that in mind I will listen to you because I want to learn something from you but untill now I must honestly say that I haven't seen one item posted by you that could hold my attention longer than a few seconds.

As far as I am concerned I think you should behave as the guidelines suggest.
Behave like a guest and start posting interesting threads in stead of climbing your old Rosinante and attacking the windmills my dear Quichote.

Your humble servant Sancho Pansja.

And you also wrote:

You know my choice it's that the only "laws" I follow is the law of nature.

That also means that if you meet a bear you're probably the one that gets eaten

[Jenny]

""You can't stop people arguing forcefully without a regression, that is part of the process of resolving present frictions. Forcefully banning average people is going backwards. You can say they deserve to be banned and it was all correct but I wasn't born yesterday.
I wasn't born yesterday either Dean.

P.S
When you own a site that doesn't mean you own the people. Nor does it mean they are in your territory to order them as you please. This is what causes illusions that make you think certain people are above the rule of other people. It's not a pyramid. You strip people of their right to be themself."""


If you have that little autonomy and so little knowledge of who you really are I can understand why you are feeling being ordered around.
If your level of autonomy is low I can imagine you feel or think that some people are above the rule of other people.
I would like to encourage you to face the truth on what your personal level of selfempowerment really is, not dwell and indulge in the illusion of what you like to think it is.
If your autonomy would be high leveled and strong you would not feel stripped of anything as it is impossible for someone else to strip you of anything. You are the one doing it to yourself and that is a choice you are free to uphold and stand for.

I respect your free will and the path you choose.

We all are an ongoing project.
Still evolving.