Lucifer: Deity of the Elite

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

nothing like a little gessoe, on a freshly stretched canvas LOL

Yeah, right!

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves

.I think that if Lucifer retired...he or she would eventually regain their sanity. Again...this is heresy...but hope springs eternal. Retirement would sure beat the heck out of 'Earth Changes', the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the New World Order, a Demonic Theocracy, etc, etc. How 'bout it...Lucifer?


Oxy,

You are not crazy. I see you as intuitive.
You're right about Lucifer, his rebellion was
too against the life grain... thus the quarantine
of this planet and the replacement of the
Brilliant Morning Star with a kinder, gentler
sentient being to do to job. But he wasn't alone
and I've been told (and have felt) that some of
his underlings slipped below the wire and have
been wearing Lucifer's mask for ages.

I poked the dragon and got burned. I can't
go there again. I'll die. Seriously.

Reading James' story the other night triggered
some difficult memories, but he ended on a
positive note. My ex felt the negative energy
and left a message on my phone about it.

It passes through LA from time to time.... and
fools like me used to evoke the little bastards!

Some day... and it looks like that day might
come soon, the last stubborn, power-blinded
rebel will be cornered and will sound, at the
very end, like a frightened little, ugly fly about
to be swatted to oblivion..... screaming obscenities
against God and Goddess until the final moment.

Wishing All a safe and sane Samhain,

Paul

www.home.earthlink.net/~aic.net

www.home.earthlink.net/~paul_perner/

www.ravensanddoves.com

As a practitioner-in-training, with the tools I am currently using my opening question would most likely be, "What incident are you sitting in this lifetime?" and off we would go down the rabbit hole :-) But it is generally safe to "poke the dragon" when there are two minds working together -- a portion of yours and that of your experienced practitioner.

peace,
Gnosis

[Practitioner]

Originally Posted by seashore

Please forgive me if the answer to this question is in the Wikipedia article...

Is the being physical or non-physical?

I'll try to share a few thoughts here... Yes, that demon was a multi-dimensional physical being, a demonic being, both in and beyond our physical world. All beings in the human world normally need to re-incarnate in human form here, but a few other lowly beings were allowed to crawl in to exert influence in the human realm during this recent "dharma-ending period". That being had reign over other extra-dimensional beings and malevolent spirits, that are not normally visible to the ordinary human eyes, but can exert influence--interfere with people's thoughts and actions and influence things in the human world--if human beings themselves do not have clear or righteous thoughts, or if they have other karmic circumstances.

The phenomena that manifest here in the human world are, in fact, reflections of phenomena that originate in other time-space dimensions. The higher and more broad a dimension is, the more influence it can exert on lower dimensions, including the human world. That is to say, the things that happen in the human world are actually arrangements made by beings at much higher levels, or in other words, by high-level gods.

Originally, that being Lucifer was a high-level being that rebelled against Heaven's Law out of spite and jealousy, was cast down during the formation of the Three Realms (Heaven, Earth & Underworld), and made to rule over beings in the Underworld. You see that people who follow that system use a pyramid as a symbol with those towards the pinnacle of the pyramid supposedly having greater rank and knowledge than those at lower levels of the pyramid. In fact, this is their rigid hierarchy, their chain of command as it were, and it literally did exist. It's just that this pyramid is all evil (founded upon the principles of deceit, callous hatred and selfish greed), and when it's viewed from an upright perspective, it is precisely upside down, with the pinnacle of the pyramid being the most evil and deceptive.

I speak above using the past tense because that evil hierarchy has already been weakened to the point that it doesn't really exist anymore. In other dimensions beyond the human realm, the evil factors and evil beings have already been dealt with--either they've been annihilated or they've been redeemed and saved. The outcome in the human world that remains is now a forgone conclusion. So if you were to go looking for some of those evil spirits (still not recommended) you may find that they're no longer there, or they've been weakened to the point that they are just barely surviving, since the factors that strengthened them in other dimensions have already been disposed of.

Human beings who have gone looking for these things in search of political power or in pursuit of some other worldly interest have brought trouble to themselves, as many of these low-level spirits actually want to feed on human beings' energy, and they have the disposition or the goal to cause disruptions in the human world.

These are just a few of my own limited understandings...

I posted a brief essay about 'Supernormal and Occult Abilities' a while back. I'll see if I can dig that up.

[Practitioner]

Well, I can't find that thread on the forum, so I'll repost here...

About ‘Supernormal’ and ‘Occult’ Abilities

I thought I would post some comments related to supernormal abilities in case there are some people who are curious or who have had a confusing experience in the past. The term "supernormal abilities" here refers to cognitive, psychic or spiritual abilities that ordinary people do not commonly possess, or that are beyond the understanding of modern science.

I use the term "occult abilities" below to describe a type of abilities or practices that "occultists" might refer to. While the word "occult" itself is defined as "secret," "concealed" or "covered up," I use the term connoting powers or abilities that are essentially “channeled” from other entities. The level of the universe that mankind exists in is quite low, and the entities that might possess a person or lend abilities are also at a low level within the Three Realms. Quite often the entities that come into contact with man can be dark and deceptive in nature, and the person who accepts the influence of these beings may be doing so with the aim of gratifying some pursuit, egotism, competitiveness, greed, the desire to deceive, even hatred, and so on.

The content of this post is inspired by guidance I received from a very powerful and very upright spiritual teacher through a practice that naturally cultivates some abilities as byproducts of positive spiritual development. My comments are not intended to criticize anyone, but simply to lay out what the majority, if not all, of the ability types are and how they arise.

First, supernormal abilities developed in an upright spiritual cultivation practice are abilities that reside with the person; they are abilities that the person him or herself possesses and may be able to use at will.

Scientifically identified abilities include clairvoyance (seeing over distance), as well as pre-cognition and retro-cognition (seeing future and past dimensions of time-space). In addition, there are different levels of wisdom and spiritual understanding that come as the result of being in harmony with universal truth. Telekinesis refers to being able to move objects remotely using invisible energy circulations. In reality, everyone innately has some abilities, but over time as man trains himself to pursue the tangible and practical “reality” delimited by the ordinary senses and defined by deductive methods of science, these abilities are all but cast off due to disuse and disbelief.

These various states mentioned above and other abilities may arise during the course of one's own spiritual cultivation. There are also specific abilities (developed energy matter) that can remove the causes of illnesses. There are abilities associated with martial arts that people may use to enhance their movement, or deliver and withstand blows. And so on... Again, all of these abilities reside with the individual him/herself, and they are under the control of the individual's own will and main consciousness. There are people in the world who possess some of these abilities, either because they developed them or because they possessed these abilities from birth (perhaps developing them in a previous life..assuming you are willing to believe in reincarnation).

There are also forms of "evil" cultivation that exist, whereby individuals will intentionally do bad deeds in order to amass greater amounts of "black karma," which is actually a black energy mass attached to the person in another dimension. Through this approach, a person can strengthen his/her innate abilities by way of the black energy matter. The downside, however, is that this person is accumulating a lot of black or evil karma and will meet with severe retribution as a result: the person's lifespan is usually shortened, one will meet with severe tribulations and/or one might descend after death and become a lower form of life, such as a malevolent spirit or "asura" (as described by some Eastern traditions). Asura are typically monstrous looking beings that, as I'm told, "regard human beings as animals, and therefore like to feed on them." They exist in another dimension, but apparently are able to enter into this dimension and even walk among man.

The other kind of abilities, or what I am calling ‘occultic’ abilities, could be described as belonging to the realm of sorcery, simply because these abilities are not directly possessed by the individual him/herself. They are channeled or otherwise summoned from other beings. The usual form is that the person involved will draw some type of symbol and/or chant some type of incantation to bring to themselves (or activate, if the individual is already possessed) a low-level spirit in another dimension that actually manipulates external or extra-dimensional circumstances within its control in order to achieve an effect.

A person who is involved in this type of practice may be only vaguely aware, or perhaps not consciously aware at all, of what is really happening. That is because the individual's main consciousness is in a suppressed or disassociated state, and the external entity, a low-level spirit, is at that time possessing the individual's mind or body in order to emit its energy or otherwise make use of the limited abilities that the entity/spirit itself has. These low-level beings may also manipulate circumstances to create outcomes in favor of the individual, such as the person gaining some money or some benefit in society. However, in return for this favor, the entity will remove a vital energy substance from the individual's body, as part of an exchange. The entity may furthermore seek to attach itself to the individual's body and try to manipulate the individual's thoughts and behaviors in order to make the individual reliant upon the entity. This way, the entity can strengthen its hold and take more of the person’s energy (bodily essence).

In such an instance, the individual may well remain in a state of "spirit possession," whether knowingly or unknowingly, with an extra-dimensional entity able to manipulate or dominate the individual. Whether this happens or not, the individual who is possessed is likely to become physically weakened or otherwise debilitated over time, as the low-level spirit has depleted his/her vital energy.

[Ashatav]

In this Schematic, Carolyn Hamlett, exposes the Lucifer Reing Over the Mystical arts and the The "Spiritual Hierarchy".

Let's remember that she was an illuminati occultist so high up in the Hierarchy and in the Dark Arts that, by example, in school, she had to read All the Blue Books (the complete work Alice. A Bailey, creator of the new age and founder of the Lucifer publishing Company, renamed Lucis Trust, one of the ideological bases of the UN)! and now's a born again christian who exposes the occult side of the New World (dis)Order's ideas like luciferianism and new age. Is curious that all the illuminati defectors I know are born again christians!



You see here, that the "Satanism" and the Dark Arts is the right hand of the "New Age" White Brotherhood and White Magics both with lucifer as their head, but the lower initiates Don't Know that. That's because they are the "masters of good and evil" (defining "good" by what I think that's good, so, because Im a Infinitelly twisted guy, good for me is like kill the mayority of the earth population with the rite of Pahanuk so the new earth can appear).

See her Web Page HERE

Goals of the New Age

Allways that Secret Doctrine Is transfered to the """iluminated one""" (iniciated in the mysteries) by Entities Channeled! Simon Magus, John Dee, Sabbatai Svi, The new age teachers now contacting with the "Builder Angels" or "Builders of the Air"....

How it works

By Taping into "The Force" (who is like a colective conciousnes of.. ehh... Demons!) the initiated can achieve the goal of "rise the vibration level" of a place by the never ending synthesis of oposites ("fire by friction", "the marriage of heaven and earth" that resembles very much to Ordo ab Chao) until matter and spirit are joined into One ("Omega point") with all the solar system in what's called "The Perfected Sun" under the Rule of the DRAGON OF WISDOM" * **

To make the Fullfilment of the Milenial Kingdom (omega point).

This is the Goal of the New Age/luciferianism movement now!



*Actual doctrine of the new age!!! see it in Alice Bailey's "A Treatise of Cosmic Fire"!

**In the judeo-christian tradition The Dragon is Lucifer and he's the "master of the powers (builders) of the Air".


That's the Agenda of the New Age!


Extra:

The Ufo Phenomenon.

The New Age and the New Age Aliens...

Is a fact that Many contactees now are saying the same things that the new age movement say.

The "aliens" travel like enormeous distances to teach New Age (luciferianism) and deny christianity.

Alex hynek sayd after 30 years and Dozens of thousands investigated reports on ufos and aliens:

"There's no evidence that the alien activity came from Outside the Earth"

The same about Jaques Vallé, one of the most prestigious and dedicated researchers.

All what the Contactee know about the aliens is what the Aliens show to them!


Roger Morneau, an ex-spiritist, in the last century made a lot of interesting disclosures:

He say that first, in the seances the channeler Never talks with Ghosts, Allways with Demons mimicking ghosts! But just the advanced spiritists know that.
Second he teach a 3 part plan of those entities:

First part: To make the human family didn't believe in the Demons and they leader.

Second: Convince the people that you can have an afterlife allways. By getting out to the public the Hypnotism technique and teching it by respected Scientist, the thing is that if the Person believe in the afterlife and in the contact with dead parents or whatever they fall because a thecnisism in the sin of "necromancy".

And the Third, "Burn the Bilbe without touching it", the spiritist leader say to him that the Evolution theory was teached to Darwin by the Demon leader himself. (you know that the actual chance of that theory is the same that have a tornado of making a 747 jumbo jet just passing over a Junkyard!)

"Fine" by now...

...But the Greatest Plan To Harvest the Multitudes of the Earth, is the most important in this case, is that the Demons Will Disguise themeselves into "Beings from other planets and they will advice their contactees about the inminent colapse of the world".

He say that the Demons told his leader that this idea will be Eaten all by the people. Will be Totally Believed.
See this clip:

The Great Plan by the 5:13 min.


You see. The fact that guys like David Wilcock that, by his own words "do everything" those New Age Aliens say to him is totally interesting and fits like a glove with what the whistleblower Morneau said.

More if we know that the New Age Is Luciferianism!

Other interesting history about that:
On Monday, September 7, 1992, a television program,
Inside Edition, aired a story about six people – five men
and a woman – who were in the United States Air Force,
stationed in Germany. They were there to gather highly
secret information for the Air Force.

Then one day they suddenly disappeared. An all-points
bulletin was issued to find them, capture them and return
them to the Air Force authorities. Should they resist
arrest, they were to be “exterminated”.

They were finally found in Florida, in a small town near
Fort Walton Beach, when one of them was stopped for a
minor traffic violation.

One of the men, a USAF officer, finally consented to an
interview. He talked with the Inside Edition
investigative reporter, but would tell only a bare
minimum. However, the little he did say was most
revealing. It supports my contention that saucers and
aliens are linked with spiritism.

The six of them had been playing with a Ouija board (a
spiritualist method of “contact” disguised as a game).
The message was spelled out to them that they were to go
to a certain town in Florida to meet the “christ”, who
would be coming in a flying saucer.

In case you didn’t know, Avitar, witchcraft’s “christ” is
also the “christ” of the New Age movement.

Witchcraft believes that this Avitar will come in a
saucer and precede the coming of the [New Age] Christ.

The connection with witchcraft is unmistakable. In Ohio
witches routinely “conjure up” at their covens (meeting
places) spacecraft and their aliens. Every time they do
this, there is a rash of sightings. The Ohio town where
this occurs is known for frequent sightings of saucers.
Many photos of saucers have been taken by observers here.

The Ouija board connection is proof positive of the
nature of the saucers. It appears that they emanate from
the same source.


As noted investigator John Keel observes: “The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon.”
(John Keel.Operation Trojan Horse. p. 266)


Many many interesting things are coming out these days...


If you want to visit a Really interesting Web site of researchers who discover what are the aliens and Prooved it, visit this:


http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm


Cheers!

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

just because a being,
has had "one" fallen life,
that does NOT mean that being,
is always going to be, a fallen being,
there is duality in everything - even you

Consider free will is the ultimate law.

Consider that a very advanced spiritual being that falls does not reincarnate, moreso, they only have one life, but it is very long and more complex than we currently understand (not in 3d).

Consider, the prodigal son idea, where the being bends the knee and comes back into the father's kingdom is ideal, however, it certainly does not always, or necessarilly usually happen with very dark beings.

Free will is the key determining factor here.

Wide is the path to destruction. The tares will be burned up, however, those that choose to work in the fields of the master even at the last hour shall reap the rewards.

So essentially a) we don't have to feel sorry for seriously mean fallen beings, it's all done by their own free will choices (we don't have to be angry with them either) and b) we shouldn't assume they are suddenly good guys because only their own free will bending the knee can make that happen. and c) if they did bend the knee, they would a) no longer be called by whatever their name was after they fell and b) have to pay off karma for a very very long time.. So there is no point in going after trying to communicate with fallen beings. The goal should instead to be to connect with those who have not fallen and are in the spiritual realm (not in the astral!) working to help us ascend...

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for the great posts! That Arrivals video was fascinating! The part about Darwin being tutored (by Lucifer?) was especially interesting. Albert Einstein said that he wanted to 'think God's thoughts after him'. What if a lot of 'great people' have been personally instructed by Lucifer? People...spend some time researching this question. As always...I know nothing...but I suspect a lot! I'm a very suspicious and paranoid person. I sometimes think the Jesuits are coming to get me! Especially after I start threads which involve the dark side of Roman Catholicism! Hi guys. There is a good side and a bad side to every organization...including the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits, the Masons, etc. This world is a real mess.

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

There is a good side and a bad side to every organization. This world is a real mess.

There's a good side to the Jesuits?

[soapcrates]

Yeah! wot he ses - the oxidised morons got the right end of the stick. anybody here ever heard of the fear paradigm? the ascention was supppoed to have happend loong ago, biut it didnt. reason being - fear. fear ofloss, fear of releasing what we already have. fear of cotradicting God" - the last 2000 ears was achieved by one of the most masterful pieces of strategy ever devised.

remember this : JC had bothing whatsoever t do with the bible - new or old testament. the old testament was one book - one of man, pinched from the Jews completley out of context and then edited and added to - not by jc and not b his folowers - it started with emperor constantine - if ou want t lok for the first surfacing of the illuminati look there.

Lucifr / satan was and is a good guy in a ver specific sense. if thee is no "to" ther eis no "from"; without day there can beno night; without pain, what is pleasure? light without dark is meaningless as is good wihout evil. we exist in the narrow space wher ethe falling angel meets the rising ape - we ar enot good and we are not evil - we are Human. total good, like tootal evil is entorpy it is a state of complete lack of growth, without direction or motion. a "null" space. if oyu look at the tree of life, which im sure i do not have to tell you is a graphic representatio of the two boks that make up the Kabalah, you will see that it contains 3 pilars. One can be labelled negative, another positive, and the one in the middle is a consequence of the other two and represents in reality a vectored force - that force is growth evolution, development and cannot exst without the other twp in dynamidc balance.

Have a read of the workdof Peter Rhodes Dimmer - an old mate of mine who has been intimately ivolved in the ascension form the begining - we were at Glastonbur, holding the energy for the first ascension in the uk when only a handful of people knewwhat ascension was. Heres an alterantive for on christian accounts of the fall - soeof yo must be awaree of the [ahem]meddling of cvertian entities and species in the evolutoon of the human race. you may not be aware that this is part of an ongooing battle that has seen the destruction of at least 3 previous homes for the so called human race0 and that since their arrival here, the lil ole pink monkeys have been gene spliced, mutated, cross bread and mucked around with by a number of extra terrestrials, soem of which wuld, by our stadards be considered as dead [ie spirit] although i have et to get them to admit to wther they evolved beond all the fleshy stuff or siply died.
ohters , like the pliedians were and are definatle alive. we were enineerd as slaves, then as fighters with the intention fo getting rid of the lizards and hten it all went pear cshape when several goups with crossed intentions had a little war of heir own and the remnanats left on earth ended up corss bnreeding woth the humans that were here. [es, there are quite a few elsewhere].
Now, the reason the had a punch up is because they did not all agree about the plans that were beig put in place. there are different plans and diffrent agendas at different levels - and commitees all the way up, as many vibrational levels as you want to go.

failey high up, ther is the pan fr the erht and us to be the retainers of, for lack of a beter name, "the great library" - a store of all data withihn the uiverse / multiverse, and with it, the goal" mostly htiers not ours, but theres litle difernce ] ofhte human race, which is to break the "lock" caused by the two powers [ARBITRARILY termed good and evil] that manifest teh ruling force in the universe as we wld understandit. this impasse has eiesed now in a state of ongoing, checkmated conflict for longer than there has been a planet earth.
No one cna let go becsuse of kind of "fear" of what teh other will do if either one lets go, and fear of losig theri position / status / advantage. the goal of the ascension of humanity is tobreak the deadlock by breaking the paradigm of the manifest dynamic of "goofd and evil" by creating a third and equal power - that of humaity.

If you want to understand what that means, ow it will wok, consider this: ou find a dog that has been hit by a truk, it is alive but in agony and ding slowly. it may experience a week of very slow, agonising death. according to the light - good nits purets form, it is worng to take a life. Evil, if oyu want to call it that, would say it is wrong to end its suffering. HUMANITY would say up yours! and put it out of its misery, feeling like a murderer the whole time but knowing it is the "right" thing to do.

If ou follow the crede of the light to its ultimate [and remeber tha tthe light is a pure thing - htere are no shades of white] then humans cant eat anything. hte whole concept is ludicrous, as is evil and the very fact that they represent dynamic opposites precludes the interjection of an midle ground.

Now, wher edoes all the rouble start with the evlution of humans? it starts with the monotheistic religions Zoroastra was the first, and the it was at this point that the dynamic above was forcibly intorduced to human thinking wher it had no place - the 3 bigh ones - chritianity, Judaism and oslemism came later, but the way the story ges , is that there was this group of ets, quite powerfull hichrequency guys, who really didnt and still sdont want to lose their position, especially not to a bunch of pink monkeys, and they would not co operate [here is the legend of the fall] the leader of that group went by the name of jehova and has been doing his level best to misdirect and confuse humans ever since. he has indeed misled them alsmost unto the end of days and is still trying. Liuciefre,as the old testament DOES NOT refer to him, is in many ways a good guy - king of angels, light bringer and all that - [if oyu follow the cocept of angels as something other than part of the religioius construct, which is feasible given tha tthey crop up everyhwere, evenin tibettan mysticism and tantric Biuddhism - as Daka nad Dakini] Yah, the tibettan have male and female angels!, but it makes sense tha teh greatest, the strongets angel gets the hardest job - to mainfest and maintain the engative polarity essential for the evolution of sentient life in the universe.
[sory if this rambles a nit - it is a huge subject and i am trying to condense a hughe amount into a tiny space with out enough language, dimensions or space to contain it, but thats the essence of it. ]

the monothiestic relgions, wich lead to the social, economic nd financial structure of the entire western world, wer part of a strategy to sabotage the ascension, designed by a bunch of high vibrational aliens with the hump, acting in fear of losing thier position.

our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to ascend and in so doing, break the paradigm tha thas held this universe in a state of conflit for a very very long time.

or not.
take your pick, but thats the story as i have come to know it.

Make of it what you will. [sorry about my lousy typing, by the way!]

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459

[soapcrates]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459

I will make a point ot it.

glad you liked my little diatribe. just please understand that i am up to my ears right now - have a great deal to do and never enough time , so it may not be right away, but i will get there. it is esential that "the turtle moves!"
[wonder how many people will follow that! i being mischievous.

Be warned, though, i are not fond of religion at the best of times - it disempowers humanit, and as for the thre great ripoffs that constitute the nastiest [but arguably most briliant] piece of social engineering in the history of this galaxy, i wont lie and i will be straight.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by soapcrates

Lucifr / satan was and is a good guy in a ver specific sense. if thee is no "to" ther eis no "from"; without day there can beno night; without pain, what is pleasure? light without dark is meaningless as is good wihout evil. we exist in the narrow space wher ethe falling angel meets the rising ape - we ar enot good and we are not evil - we are Human. total good, like tootal evil is entorpy it is a state of complete lack of growth, without direction or motion. a "null" space. if oyu look at the tree of life, which im sure i do not have to tell you is a graphic representatio of the two boks that make up the Kabalah, you will see that it contains 3 pilars. One can be labelled negative, another positive, and the one in the middle is a consequence of the other two and represents in reality a vectored force - that force is growth evolution, development and cannot exst without the other twp in dynamidc balance.

the Trinity

the Father the Spirit the Son
the Giver Giving the Gift
the Lover Loving the Love

the Knower Knowing the Known



the Trickster

Mind the Magician

Conceptual Constructs
figments of imagination

No Mind No Duality No Heaven and Earth No Drama

If you wake up and find yourself on Earth in Hell or in Heaven
Well then you have a Mind still because it is states of Mind


Angels are as real or as unreal as Man

Lucifer and Legions wield the whip whereas Saints and Angels heal and come to aid


the Trinity is beyond the Mind
the Three intrinsic in One
the Three functions of the One Only

Imagine out of the Trinity the Mind conjures up the Mirage of Myriads
Mind Not Real in Itself but a Consequence of Consciousness and Apparent to the Beholder
weaves threads of Desires into a veil of Impressions superimposing Reality and spells us to believe It

Desires and Impressions as the Seeds of Karma carry us through the cycles of Samsara

If not for Mind No me No you and No Abundance


I separated Myself from Myself so I could love Myself
and I hid Myself from Myself so I would long to look for Myself


Good chains with Gold to Heaven
Bad chains with Iron to Hell

And No its not forever Its a Scare Incitements to Behave

No chains attached to Truth and Love


When we escape Mind which is our Destiny we are no longer Man but God


God will use any tactics to snap us out of Ignorance and steer us Home

Be it scare sorrow promise pleasure and pain

Originally Posted by soapcrates

If you want to understand what that means, ow it will wok, consider this: ou find a dog that has been hit by a truk, it is alive but in agony and ding slowly. it may experience a week of very slow, agonising death. according to the light - good nits purets form, it is worng to take a life. Evil, if oyu want to call it that, would say it is wrong to end its suffering. HUMANITY would say up yours! and put it out of its misery, feeling like a murderer the whole time but knowing it is the "right" thing to do.

Saints will heal it

[soapcrates]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

the Trinity

the Father the Spirit the Son
the Giver Giving the Gift
the Lover Loving the Love

the Knower Knowing the Known



the Trickster

Mind the Magician

Conceptual Constructs
figments of imagination

No Mind No Duality No Heaven and Earth No Drama

If you wake up and find yourself on Earth in Hell or in Heaven
Well then you have a Mind still because it is states of Mind


Angels are as real or as unreal as Man

Lucifer and Legions wield the whip whereas Saints and Angels heal and come to aid


the Trinity is beyond the Mind
the Three intrinsic in One
the Three functions of the One Only

Imagine out of the Trinity the Mind conjures up the Mirage of Myriads
Mind Not Real in Itself but a Consequence of Consciousness and Apparent to the Beholder
weaves threads of Desires into a veil of Impressions superimposing Reality and spells us to believe It

Desires and Impressions as the Seeds of Karma carry us through the cycles of Samsara

If not for Mind No me No you and No Abundance


I separated Myself from Myself so I could love Myself
and I hid Myself from Myself so I would long to look for Myself


Good chains with Gold to Heaven
Bad chains with Iron to Hell

And No its not forever Its a Scare Incitements to Behave

No chains attached to Truth and Love


When we escape Mind which is our Destiny we are no longer Man but God


God will use any tactics to snap us out of Ignorance and steer us Home

Be it scare sorrow promise pleasure and pain

Saints will heal it

FORGET ABOUT GOD - FORGET ABOUT GOVERNMENT - FORGE ABOUT EXTRA TERRESTRIALS, SPIRIT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT GUFF! "the spirit of god is within you and around you " it IS YOU! choose your path, take responsibility go ryor actions and focus on making the here and now everything that you could wish it to be, and ou will be doing the will of god the mulitverse - it and you are one and always will be. act as if there is no god beyond that which is within and around you and choose to understand that in this place at this time you are the only creator - do not say the devil made me do it because he didnt. neither did god. it is for us to make our own Jerusalem our own heaven or hell. hte key is responsibility. take that responsibility and begin to choose t grow up or you will never see an et or anything other than perhaps the insides of a lizzard.

TIME TO START GROWING UP BOYS AND GIRLS!!

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you soapcrates and RedeZra.

I think we do have to think about God, ET's, and Government...because we are seemingly being controlled, manipulated, and exploited by them. Are they all the same malevolent force? I don't know...but I smell smoke...and I'm looking for the fire.

On the other hand...if it's going to be...it's up to me. Our planet is how we plan it. Heaven and Hell are right here in this Solar System. At this point...I don't think we should go anywhere else...even if a fleet of UFO's show up...to take us to 'Heaven'. Perhaps ET's want this Solar System all to themselves. Who knows where they would dump us...and what they would do to us?

This Solar System is Our Home...and we do need to grow-up...be big boys and girls...AND TAKE PROPER CARE OF OUR HOME AND EACH OTHER! WHY IS THIS SO HARD!!!

[soapcrates]

Gahhh! this discussion is to cyclic - i is heading in a circle and the circle has a distinct inward focus - the idea is to look outward - to expand and to explore in order to grow and evolve. you have brains - you need to be using them for more than doorstops, or you is gonna be on the lunch menu!

The outmoded belief systems of the last 2 thousand years are largely constructs put there with one purpose in mind - to keep you running in circles! yes there is an entity called lucifer there is also an entity called Jehova - who is another et who wants a piece of the action and has been dabbling in this planet for well over 2000 ears- the current socio economic nightmare of the wester world was largely his doing and was intended to facillitate exactly what it has - humans have no controll over their own governance and no idea what is going on - it was a masterpiece of socio economic an religious sabotage.

is there a god ? which god who is right and who is wrong? follow any of these religions - pick one at random, it doesnt matter which one , because in choosing oyu have guaranteed that this group is "right" and that group is "wrong" you have created conflict and doubt - another war! just what we need!

IF you really are so insecure that need a god - then lets say it is omnipotent and created everything in which case all religions are right and all positions are appropriate to the people who maintain them , wether they are for satan, Alllah, jesus [poor sod that he was!] or mickey mouse.

it makes no difference.

no self respecting god in its right ind would make a race of beings , set them at each others throats and then demand that they all obey it , worship it,and spend their time ridding the world of all the other s that it created just to prove tha tany one aspect is right its what is technically called ludicrous.

if u want, i can spend some time going through each and ever deit and destroying them for ou, from mohammad who went round shagging eight year old girls to the christian god who likes creating all these other religions so the christiand can go declare war on them and invent new and unique ways to kill them or in the cas eof Wtches, new and usually perversely sexually oriented ways f torturing to death the only real healers accessible to the populace at the time and so on and so on.

If you want t explore their origins and real identities then that s more fun and more productive since most of your gods the ones that arent completly made up - are from way off planet and arived here to get a finger in the pie of a very nice piece of galactic real estate.
problem is, you're supposed to get the hints and go investigate this so you can realise it for yourselves. that what you can understand it and recognise the truth of it - follow the technology train through the babylonians, sumerians, Ancient egptians - from lemuria to atlantis to egpt, greece and the rest of the world. trace sacred geometry back to its roots and have a real close look at it. you can find all kinds of stuff. including technology way beyingd what we have now.

but go beyond even that and you will find that the universe is an illusion. it doesnt really exist - never did.

all tha exists is perception - yours. and the consensus conciousness applicable t our chosen 3rd dimensional realit - that of the human race. we built this illusion - the so called "Gods" just dropped a few viruses into the program for heir own benefit.

Start by truly understanding einsteins theory of relativity - not just what it is but what it imples [which is way more important!] then go read "the hollographic universe" by Talbot. and study Schroedingers cat, then "resulting" and then put them together. yo might also read and try t understand orchaos look it up on google].

what we suffer from is fear ad doubt -most of which were programmed in. what we need to do - especially now - is to get rid of those, accept responsibility for our ow actions - including shaping the world we live in, changing it to wha tit should be.

if ou really want a religion, choose one that does not take away your power - i would reccomend the American indians.

Anyhting that detracts for you is bad - no mater how good it may seem. the power is yours to create or destroy dont give it away. The one spirit is enough fo any one we are all one and each as much the god as the next. inlcuding JC whose actual teachings said exactly that. no temples no priests no organised religions - as is fitting for a holder of the christ ray - which is what he was.

We are here - now at arguably the most important point in history - this is the pinch in the hourglass - this is wher the future fate of humanity and of all hte tings that depnd on it [and there are many] will be determiend; fo good or bad.

THis forum and the people who have been drawn to it an make a real diference to the outcome. there are sufficient people on here to change the balance irrevocably. But you have to pick up the torch and run wih it. One of the things Collier said was tha tthe androedans and many of the other extra terrestrial races now gatheirng arounfd the earht regard humanit as a kind of spiritual royalty and this is true. bBecaue that is what we are - what oyu are - If yo want to quote scripture - do it fro the right reasons. it is basiclaly sa lod of junk, from where we are now. it is a conglommeration of anecodtal remeniscences - stories, myths and legends. half forgotten fragments of history all glued together - a lie made out of the semblance of truth but some of it is decipherable - if oyu look at eh king james version of the chrisitan bible for example, oyu will see that when god chucks adam and eve out of the garden, he apparently says it because they have eaten of the tree of life, and htey have to go "lest they eat also of the tree of knowledge and become as us"

tere is no mention f a tree of life in christianity; nor of a tree of knowledge and who exactly is "us" the cluse are there. Islam is even more abstract but anyone who goes around quoting things really aught to be aware of the origins of wht they quote and islam has he same roots as christianity and they both go back to the jews. to one specific jew to be precise, and the books of the jews go back to the essenes [at least some of the do] and he name of the jewish god is.....?
and he rason fo rthe fall was that good ole satanwoldnt bow down before us pink munkies. nd he idnt like us because we had soemthing he didnt. IN fact, we had and still do have, everthing the angels have, PLUS the ability and the power to create - i refer you back to Schroedinger and EInstein.


DONT answer this. go and have a real careful think. do some reading. then do some more thinking. consider this a benevolent riddle - a zen koan for you to solve, and when you think yo know what i am really saying - not the words on the page but the truth beyond them, then come back and answer this.

I will give you one piece of help with the riddle. any answer that takes you less than an absolute minimum of 112 hours of solid thinking is wrong. i guarantee it.

[RedeZra]

the world

a painting in work

from the colors of my palette


wait what if


I leave the canvas untouched

what then of the world


the blind wont mind

Originally Posted by soapcrates

I will give you one piece of help with the riddle. any answer that takes you less than an absolute minimum of 112 hours of solid thinking is wrong. i guarantee it.

see I solved it in 112 seconds lol

[soapcrates]

One very simple answer to that:

its called growing up. to put aside childish things and focus on determining the truth - the reality because until you do self determination is a myth and all ou are is a puppet o a string. [or lunch for a reptile] you are being bred and fed and treated as live stock. is that really what you want? this is the delusion that has been programmed in over the last 2000 years.

The primary purpose f that magnificent document known as the declaration of independence was to make it possible for you to break free of the chains of guilt, suppression and spiritual control inflicted by the manipulation of economics that has taken place through our own lassitude.

have you watched Alex colier's Awake and aware in LA? if not i really think you should. he is very close to the truth.

have you heard of the ascension of the earth changes? of project camelot or project avalon? these people are risking a great deal in order to share knowledge. the do this to assist in bringing about a greater understanding so that humanity can be more than sheep - so the can move forward and evolve to fulil their potential.

ther is a geat deal to do and very little time to do it in. the more you la responsibility on others the more you diminish your self. "luminous beings are we - not this dull flesh you see"

time now to know thy self and stand up.

also time to stop quoting what others say and find a voice of your own - if all you can do is regurgitate the dogma f others or produce drab religious poetry and have no voice or thoughts of your own, you are already paving the way for the dark side, nd a medal the will give you wen the come to power - just before they serve you up with an apple in your mouth and flowers in your hair for sunday lunch! [you do know about the reptiles, yes?] and all the others with their fingers in thepir that is this planet? I really hope you do! get withthe program.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by soapcrates

[you do know about the reptiles, yes?] and all the others with their fingers in thepir that is this planet? I really hope you do! get withthe program.

no

do not

imagine

oblivious

living a dream

and mistake it

for a nightmare

Oh lucid lull

what will it take to awake

time time no time

life like a movie

and everyone's a star

the Projector projects an Epic

...

Originally Posted by soapcrates

- just before they serve you up with an apple in your mouth and flowers in your hair for sunday lunch!

love Apple

Eve does too

so simple full of Grace

she lifts her hand to pick the fruit


so bitter

the taste of

Law

[orthodoxymoron]

If everything is an illusion...and doesn't really exist...why should I spend 112 hours trying to accurately visualize your perception of that which does not exist?

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you both. I tend to lean toward Bill Cooper and Alex Collier...although I always hasten to add that I am not in a position to verify their sources or information. Also, I have a hard time with all of the dimensional and holographic stuff. Presently...I just want the Solar System to be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely purified and reformed United Nations. I want the Human Race to be Sovereign and Free. I want the hard-core malevolent humans, reptilians, greys, etc. to be temporarily removed from this Solar System until they learn to play fair and nice. This sandbox should be for the good kids...or at least those who are not hellbent on conquest, enslavement, extermination, terrorism, etc, etc.

I keep thinking that universal history is very, very sad. I want to know the truth. On the other hand...once I learn the truth...I may go completely insane. Lucifier may be both a good-guy and a bad-guy. Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I still think that he or she is an alien/human hybrid who is corrupt and insane...and who has perpetrated unspeakable and unfathomable horrors upon the human race...yet is still the most poweful being on Earth. Again...I can't verify this...and I don't have any inside information or sources whatsoever. I'm just calling it as I presently see it.

I want Lucifer to retire and recover...and turn the power over to a United States of the Solar System based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of a non-corrupt United Nations. Keeping Lucifer at a distance...as a non-authoritative advisor...might be wise. Obviously...I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...and I don't have the classified information necessary to responsibly formulate much of anything regarding this subject. Unfortunately...if I was on the inside...I wouldn't be able to take a pee without being watched and without filling out forms in triplicate.

[deb003]

ortho,
is there anyway you could add a warning on your first post.
I am pretty horrified here. the beginning of the first video, if I'm not mistaken, was that a child they were sacrificing and killing. I am now not able to go to sleep, scared to death. please tell me thats not what is was. i always love your post but please warn us of the content of these videos as some of us are very sensitive to this material, ESPECIALLY mothers out there.
thanks.

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is an 8 part video series featuring Ted Gunderson regarding Satanism. This sort of thing is hard to watch...but we need to become informed...and flush this cr@p down the toilet.

[RedeZra]

Snake in a sense was right

when he told Eve

Ye shall not surely die

but be wise as gods

from the knowledge of

good and evil


they ate

did not die

but naked ashamed


for from the knowledge of good and evil

comes the discernment of right and wrong

the notion of holy and unholy

the sense of spirit and of flesh


And they knew they were naked in flesh

[orthodoxymoron]

This is why Eve had an unholy relationship with the Reptilian.