Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you and I have to say that I agree with most of your same findings with an exception of one.

I had a long list of names with my feelings but feel this would not be the right place to put those answers. I think it is good to share these thoughts without feeling like you will be "snobbed" for doing so.

I do not do it in a form of judging as I am seeking my own answers and that will not be stopping anytime soon.

I do believe that we can change our own reality and thats probally all that really matters.................

I think Carol made a very good point. We have all been quite dumbed down in our education, religious beliefs.

The addicts, killers, etc are there by their own choices and I think that we all have to either go through something or view it in our lifetime. I am hoping that seeing its effects is enough for me. I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes. I have no hate for them as I might of at one time.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by beren

It is. But one thing Maxwell said it right is : People are stupid ... also they like their filth and ignorance (ignorance is bliss-anyone? )

shhh lest stones be cast

people are strong in nature

and quick to act

lol

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Baron

5) Here is just one of several videos out there of some of the plain BS he sprouts off, and the corrections follow.He's is no symbologist and he is not Henry Lincoln either.Only 10 minutes so worth watching if only to get some perspective on this fraudster.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...nd_a_liar____/

Thanks Baron ,

I watched the video on your link . All the points made in the video are MINOR . Like the story of Circe the sorceress and the council of Nicea where the attendees put together the biggest scam in 2000 years . It seems to me that the video was made by some defender of christianity . This religion is a pile of @@@@ , all religions are . Maxwell inspired the authors of Zeitheistmovie and this is outstanding work .
Is is very easy to chuck out the baby with the bath water ...... We have seen reactions like this with other characters on this website .
My policy remain that I listen to everybody and then compare what a person says with what others have said before on a given subject .
Another thing about Maxwell , it is possible the the numerous repetitions are casued by some health problem .

[tone3jaguar]

5) Here is just one of several videos out there of some of the plain BS he sprouts off, and the corrections follow.He's is no symbologist and he is not Henry Lincoln either.Only 10 minutes so worth watching if only to get some perspective on this fraudster.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...nd_a_liar____/

Good find, must watch for any would be Maxwell loyalists. To be honest with everyone, I do not think it really matters if he or anyone else is right about the past or not. The past does not exist so that we can obsess over it and allow it to have a negative effect on our lives in the now.

The key to what is going on right now is not figuring out what happened once upon a time. That is either an intentional misdirect or an unintentional misdirect. I could care less which religion lied the most or was the most true. I think that all religions are false representations of the truth.

The truth being that what happened once upon a time is not what people are supposed to be focused on. The only thing I use the history for is a confirmation of the evolution of consciousness that has been unfolding for the last 6,000 years.

Jesus this, Abraham that, who gives a s--t. What does that have to do with right now? If you distance yourself from the past and the future you find yourself in the moment. When you find yourself in the moment you suddenly no longer need to look outside of yourself for guidance. This is because that simple concept is the secret to unlocking your full potential and unveiling your intuition like nothing most people ever thought possible.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

What does that have to do with right now? If you distance yourself from the past and the future you find yourself in the moment. When you find yourself in the moment you suddenly no longer need to look outside of yourself for guidance. This is because that simple concept is the secret to unlocking your full potential and unveiling your intuition like nothing most people ever thought possible.

past is past

it is gone

future is future

it will come


Here

is

My

Present

to

You


Unpack it Unconditionally


And when you come to see Me again

Tell Me

What did you do with My Present

Did you Love

Did you Look

Did you Help

[firefly]

Originally Posted by Baron

Firstly Bill & Kerry started out with noble intentions and that's what was so appealing, yet more and more they are loosing it, and becoming just like the rest.This interview is yet another confirmation sadly.About as hard hitting as somebody talking to a senile aunt.

The way Kerry started her interview was so obsequious that I'm sure it made many cringe or want to vomit! On the other hand perhaps she was setting him comfortable, to fire off a string of hard hitting questions, that Kerry is more than capable of doing? Sadly WRONG!

This was more of the same old same old from this REPEATER no matter how long he's been repeating! They Camelot have resurrected this man from the abyss having been found out years ago. His very spiel has changed very little in the last 20 years for example he names David Icke in every recent interview in the last few years not to site him but to show how great he is by saying he brought him to the USA! Childish.

This interview was pointless and you could have got the same spiel from any one of his tirades posted on youtube! It was all rubbish even if it was the most kindly I have ever heard him speak of others, he's normally swiping there work and repeating it as his own! Just like Dan Brown of all people he quotes as doing the same! LOL.

His description of some common words he thinks he has deciphered by his ridicules etymology such as "Berth" of ship being or meaning "Birth"! So, and the point being???
Or his wrongly attributed name of "God" being "Got" or "Gut" in Scandinavia WRONG! Its "Gud". He does not know what he's talking about Gut is from Good Morning in the Germanic...Close but not close enough, and the point was? You had none!

This is the same guy who at the "Awake and aware conference" said "Vikings wore horns on their helmets"!!! Which to any scholar worth his salt knows is false and that its stylised art and Hollywood fantasy!


1)Kerry why did you not ask him why he goes by the name of "Jordan Maxwell" aka "Jordanus Maximus" as he thinks he is? And why NOT his real name "Russell J. Pine". Plus the many other hard hitting questions like his weird relationship with his brother who calls him a liar and why he accused him of trying to kill him? Why nothing on the person who warned Russell Pine aka Jordan Maxwell off recently about using his name and words? Which you posted and withdrew?

2) Why do you qualify some questions,with "you don't have to answer that unless you want too"!!! Just ask the question and if they don't want to say ok then leave it don't give them the chance to escape without something.

So what happens he never answers or repeats what was said in private!

Why because you and he have to keep the mystery alive for the next project, and some things will embarrass him because its BS, he knows it and so do some others, and it would prove he is an even bigger B"¤¤# S#¤%! Not because he has more secret information from his non sources! All these guys with sources from high lintel speaking to The Maxwell's the Dick Beagles the silly Greens are non existent they are liars and frauds, its one of the biggest frauds on the poor suckers who rake it in.But like governments and politicians they don't care who buys their lies.

3) Why nothing about the Terra-dactyls that he saw in Los Angeles in the early 80's!!! Is that not interesting? LOL.

4) Bill and Kerry I have appreciated your work and I was hoping you were going in another direction and you did at the start, but now you are bringing back all these people from their hovels giving them new life, who had been proved frauds and liars so went crawling into back into their hovels, only now for them to re-appear and re-spill there BS and it is BS, to new ears, who know no better. They appreciate YOU two,( innocently "gullible" comes to mind,sorry) no doubt because you have brought them back and befriended them so you cannot now expose them...But what you have brought back is everything that has nothing to do with TRUTH.

5) Here is just one of several videos out there of some of the plain BS he sprouts off, and the corrections follow.He's is no symbologist and he is not Henry Lincoln either.Only 10 minutes so worth watching if only to get some perspective on this fraudster.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...nd_a_liar____/

Thank you for the above Baron, I feel your correct in your statement here. And I feel foolish having believed what he was saying even though I have had doubts about this man in the past because his so called knowledge was too incredible. However as I was watching the interview with Kerry and Jordan and thinking 'perhaps I've been wrong about J M!, perhaps he is genuine and then my partner and I had a hugh argument when he stated that "this man was all **** and how could I believe what he is saying". And this is why we need this forum so we can chew over and throw out the stuff that is NON TRUTH. And if Kerry and Bill have interviewed this guy on Camelot knowing he is a fraud, then what does that tell you about all the rest of the so called 'Whistleblowers'?

What is wrong with this world, why are people so content to accept that lying is acceptable. Are we all living in a Holywood matrix where life is just a game. Iv'e been searching for the truth all my life and still not found it. Perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places!

love and friendship
firefly

[Baron]

Originally Posted by firefly

Thank you for the above Baron, I feel your correct in your statement here. And I feel foolish having believed what he was saying even though I have had doubts about this man in the past because his so called knowledge was too incredible. However as I was watching the interview with Kerry and Jordan and thinking 'perhaps I've been wrong about J M!, perhaps he is genuine and then my partner and I had a hugh argument when he stated that "this man was all **** and how could I believe what he is saying". And this is why we need this forum so we can chew over and throw out the stuff that is NON TRUTH. And if Kerry and Bill have interviewed this guy on Camelot knowing he is a fraud, then what does that tell you about all the rest of the so called 'Whistleblowers'?

What is wrong with this world, why are people so content to accept that lying is acceptable. Are we all living in a Holywood matrix where life is just a game. Iv'e been searching for the truth all my life and still not found it. Perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places!

love and friendship
firefly

Firefly,

Thanks, glad you understood the gist of what I was trying to say. I was in a hurry and did not have time to finish it off or proof it when I posted , and now re-reading it I embarrassingly realise my punctuation and grammar was a bit off!

You have no need to feel foolish at all, about believing him or any of the others out there of his ilk. Its hard enough for those who know, not to be taken in very often. Besides why would you not when you are expecting to hear truthful new factual and knowledgeable information which is suppose to be correct.


Most of the people who they have interviewed by enlarge are interesting telling their own story of an unusual event or what they have genuinely looked into or experienced, in their own way. So they can be interesting and you can learn something even if you know or suspect its not the whole truth.

However "REPEATERS" like Jordan Maxwell, Bill Deagle, Dan Burisch are living in fantasy island and are repeating what's already out there and then putting their own spin on it with the gift of the "gab" that makes honest men cry!

Information is no good if its dead WRONG no matter how good the BS.!

But as always these guys dob themselves in when they get carried away with self adulation and promise to bring more and more to each new interview and conference,and then the BS starts and slip ups begin making a dogs dinner of other peoples work and often plain old factual history WRONG, so they can sell more of their snake oil. Those who don't know what their saying is false have no need to question them! So the merry go around continues or starts all over again thanks to Bill & Kerry digging them up! But a few start seeing the flaws, and then the non whistle blowers or experts start backtracking and usually take a break before they reappear renewed, sadly!

Case's in point the so called whistle blowers (NOT) Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann and Dr Pete Peterson. Neither one of them said anything new and in fact both neither looked spoke or acted the part they played. Arthur Neumann came out firstly anon and then on camera at a conference in the Netherlands where he stood up and proclaimed he'd been to MARS! Then at another conference in Spain when he was caught off guard a bit his seems started to show, and he does not have the gift of the gab like the other BS's so now I think he knows this, so rather than be caught out again he's going to be staying away from any interviews or conferences in future unless he does some serious BS speaking homework! But hey he got a couple of conferences out of it overseas trips probably paid for and lots of adulation for a time and he'd probably never seen the Netherlands or Spain before so not a waste of time for him! LOL.

As for Dr Pete Peterson well he's PROBABLY a bit of a hobby inventor a dabbler and old fashioned dreamer trying to get a bit of adulation but he slipped up to those who know what to look for,he may have a well tuned out workshop which he calls his LAB which sounds so much more scientific! But and but is the word? He may also not be on the scene for very much longer and nothing to do with his recent medical ailment...Anything rather than to be exposed!

Though many of them such as Bill "Liar" Deagle and Jord-anus Maxi-mum-us (forget the etymology of his name again?!! LOL) have the gall tenacity BS and unashamed character, they can, and do keep going on their own roller-coaster, and they will taint anybody, who tries to, what they deem stealing their pet expose and glory! Such as what they Deagle and co horts tried to do too Jane Burgermeister recently.


I have written about much of this before and if you have not read some of my other posts do a search on my handle and you will find more, such as the fine details on why a non MD Dr Deagle was struck off in Colorado for the death of a young man!With all the back up details such as the columbine mom who had to get a restraining order on him as he was like a parasite trying to handle their lives all for self exposure. There are a few States in the US that allow a few silly and often bogus or very near qualifications to prescribe medicine and this is one of those cases where he over proscribed medication he was unqualified to do so! Which cost somebody their life. Yet he's still sells his wares on his health site via any media that will give him an extra buck as a DR but not a revoked DR of BS...A Non MD. He even has the gall on his website that sells alternative health stuff avery scientific name as if its doing big research not selling snake oil "NutriMedical" to have his so called full title!!! Dr. Wm. R. Deagle MD, ABFP, CCFP, CIME, AAAAAM, ACOEM, AAPM, SPPM, AAEM!!!! LOL Yeah he has more letters after his name than a dozen self respecting real Doctors would ever have or use on their card! But they are all worthless, he's still not a Medical Doctor MD.

"Caveat emptor" is the order of the day! Buyer beware.


There is a fundamental problem with the way Camelot is heading now, its this idea that everybody is a whistle blower and those they have hyped up as such and have not delivered anything new or interesting that's not already out there.Except off course what they have supposedly told Bill and & Kerry in private! Which we never get to hear and doubt ever will.

Bill & Kerry for some odd reason seem to be very gullible or just too dammed nice for theirs and our own good, with some of the worst out there! Bill Ryan is a former "Scientologist" and now totally against it, must realise the same tricks they use to brainwash their victims, many of these whistle NON blowing snake oil conmen are using the same tricks on them! They really need not to befriend a lot of these people because it destroys impartiality and impartiality is one of the areas Camelot is loosing it on. They must never ever ask their whistle blower if they can ask that question! Have you ever heard a journalist say can I ask that or don't you want to speak about that on camera!!! That's tantamount to taunting and insulting the viewer and letting the fraud off the hook what good is a whistle blower if he does not spill any beans?

One other thing which I think has happened is that they have been funded by a few of the very people they have put on camera, and this also is not good for impartiality and possibly why they may be reticent on questioning some of those we are doubting and questioning here.

Bill & Kerry you are well thought of and we don't want you looking stupid in the near future, and there is going to be some embarrassment soon and your real enemies are going to lap it up and others will say how stupid they were, they didn't bother to do background checks of their own to double check credentials or read any basic factual books on the subjects to confirm a grain of truth these frauds sprout out...If you read this get back to basics no more obsequiousness and no more lapping it up from obsequies frauds and ask questions don't ask to ask them, this is investigation not a tease show.

If you need a hug Kerry buy a Teddy or hug Bill its cheaper Jord-anus is not the man. Jord in Swedish means Earth! Anus means put the two together well you know what it means! LOL.

Sorry Firefly I waffled on! You can tell I loath liars and frauds though.

Oh and thanks for all the other messages and replies I have not been able to answer they are appreciated.I hope I've said enough for a week now!



Regards
Baron

How can you trust somebody with important matters, when you cannot trust them with small matters.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Baron

...and now re-reading it I embarrassingly realise my punctuation and grammar was a bit off!

thats why I skip it altogether lol


You bring a fresh breeze

to disperse some of the gaseous smog of BS

that itches the senses and sprouts the tears


Its a crazy market

the buzz and the rush

to and fro

snake oil salesmen


Its a crowd of crows

belching trash with truths

for it cannot distinguish

except trash taste better


people love parrots and pats on the head


and the only cry

you hear

is mimicry

[Baron]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

thats why I skip it altogether lol


You bring a fresh breeze

to disperse some of the gaseous smog of BS

that itches the senses and sprouts the tears


Its a crazy market

the buzz and the rush

to and fro

snake oil salesmen


Its a crowd of crows

belching trash with truths

for it cannot distinguish

except trash taste better


people love parrots and pats on the head


and the only cry

you hear

is mimicry

???????? and Jabarwocky

Oh Mea Culpa I must be dyslexic!

Baron

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Baron

???????? and Jabarwocky

Oh Mea Culpa I must be dyslexic!

Baron

nah you're square lol

generation gap I guess

keep calling the bluffs

good work

[Bobbie]

Thanks Baron for your barometer reading. While some of the information might be accurate, even though not new, I felt truths was being tainted because of the measure of the source. Thanks for confirming my convictions. I've known a few snake oil salesmen in my life and they all have that same signature.

[14 Chakras]

Each one of us, including Maxwell, has a piece to the puzzle. If someone shares their understandings, but they don't have the 'full truth' are they a snake oil salesman? Are they a liar?

Do any of us have a TM on the full truth? Is there not always More?

Are we all snake oil salesman? Or are we here to learn, and come up higher, and grow our piece of the puzzle.

Discernment is key. The discernment is not in choosing who to follow. It is realizing that no human being has the full truth but they may most definitely have pieces of the puzzle. So discernment is to discern what is truth based on continually adding up the pieces of the puzzle rather than thinking one person has all the answers... they don't, but that doesn't make them a liar either.

In fairness, when someone like Maxwell acts as a know it all... then critics have a point though I agree he most definitely does not know it all. As Bladvatskey did not know it all. It doesn't make them evil, it makes them human.

[Bobbie]

True That !

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Each one of us, including Maxwell, has a piece to the puzzle. If someone shares their understandings, but they don't have the 'full truth' are they a snake oil salesman? Are they a liar?

Do any of us have a TM on the full truth? Is there not always More?

Are we all snake oil salesman? Or are we here to learn, and come up higher, and grow our piece of the puzzle.

Discernment is key. The discernment is not in choosing who to follow. It is realizing that no human being has the full truth but they may most definitely have pieces of the puzzle. So discernment is to discern what is truth based on continually adding up the pieces of the puzzle rather than thinking one person has all the answers... they don't, but that doesn't make them a liar either.

In fairness, when someone like Maxwell acts as a know it all... then critics have a point though I agree he most definitely does not know it all. As Bladvatskey did not know it all. It doesn't make them evil, it makes them human.

[Reader]

Beren & Baron,
Great posts. I resonate with both of you on these many issues.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Reader

Beren & Baron,
Great posts. I resonate with both of you on these many issues.

It is funny to me this realization:

Jordan Maxwell and others who researched about Vatican accurately got the fact that Vatican is behind all evil on the planet because they really run this joint. But they all miss the point whom Vatican serves . Whom do Vatican serve?Who gives them the power to rule this Earth?
Lucifer AKA Satan AKA Devil

But as you know( I suppose people know) who is Lucifer`s main adversary.
Namely Yahweh God Almighty and his son Jesus Christ.

It is funny how Maxwell & others whine how we are all doomed and there is no hope... Well maybe for them and others who believe so ...but Satan is only working here on Earth because he was kicked out of spiritual realm. He is doing hard job 24/7 to harvest human souls , because he knows there is a bit more time until he is going to be destroyed utterly here on Earth. He knows his time is short and is is doing everything to destroy humanity.

Lies , deceptions,religions,wars,poverty, hunger,greed,fake pride,hatred are some of the weapons in his arsenal against us.

But the most powerful weapon we have against him and his minions is....what ,what...Love...with big L.

Satan can `t do a darn thing against Love because it is such a high vibration that he can `t stand it anymore, long time now from his fall from grace...

Don`t mind folks this next what I will copy paste. It is from Bible... you can judge it ,curse it ,doubt it but it does say truth. Bear with me while you read:

1 Corinthians 13

1.If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2.If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3.If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4.Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5.It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6.Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7.It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8.Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9.For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10.but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11.When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12.Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13.And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Blessing to all !

Beren

[beren]

The Secret Teachings of All Ages is a decent, but complex book, and definitely not 'evil' in my book.

Reacting to one line or a few words is what pretty much the whole fundamental chritianity thing is based on.

No one has the whole puzzle, people try, they get a lot of it. But until we have Christ beings walking the planet, which we will... every truth that everyone shares will always have some illusions somewhere or other along the line, because we still have egos, we still have our own illusions...

Noting that, everything in Masonry is highly symbolic. HIGHLY symbolic. Literalism is not exactly the best way to get to truth.








My friend do you remember this:

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15.It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.


Check all things before you embrace them... All things so no one can deceive you ,even one sentence can reveal the true intention of someone. Picture can look almost the same but still it is "almost"the same...
For example the thing what he said about gaining knowings from Lucifer is extremely suspicious to me...


Baron really found interesting stuff about Maxwell...

Love and blessings,

Beren

[14 Chakras]

My friend,

It is very simple for us to get caught up in the Christian ego where we believe we can judge others and put them in the box of "Satan" and "Jesus / good".


This is typical Christian ego stuff and it does not lead to the truth that will set us free.

Worshiping Jesus, accepting Jesus as your saviour, etc. is a DECEPTION.

Jesus is very real, and very much a spiritual being, but he will not do the work for anyone.

The reality is, we must carry our own cross and overcome the things of this world and be reborn as Jesus was reborn.

Bladvastky, Manly Hall had much much higher degree of truth than Christian preachers who say "satan this" and "Satan that".

Satan is a consciousness not just a dude. And as long as we are trapped in ego, we are trapped in the consciousness of satan...

Of course that line is rediculous.

But you must take it in context that it is a very in depth book about the secrets of masonry written for masons. It is all esoteric, it all is symbolic. When you read only one line then say "That person is satan spawn". That's not going to get you to the truth that will set you free. Nope.

P.S. I mean no offence and writing hastily... must step away from the computer... procrastinating is something I use avalon for, it is very good at helping me procrastinate from other stuff I need to be doing!

[beren]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

My friend,

It is very simple for us to get caught up in the Christian ego where we believe we can judge others and put them in the box of "Satan" and "Jesus / good".


This is typical Christian ego stuff and it does not lead to the truth that will set us free.

Worshiping Jesus, accepting Jesus as your saviour, etc. is a DECEPTION.

Jesus is very real, and very much a spiritual being, but he will not do the work for anyone.

The reality is, we must carry our own cross and overcome the things of this world and be reborn as Jesus was reborn.

Bladvastky, Manly Hall had much much higher degree of truth than Christian preachers who say "satan this" and "Satan that".

Satan is a consciousness not just a dude. And as long as we are trapped in ego, we are trapped in the consciousness of satan...

Of course that line is rediculous.

But you must take it in context that it is a very in depth book about the secrets of masonry written for masons. It is all esoteric, it all is symbolic. When you read only one line then say "That person is satan spawn". That's not going to get you to the truth that will set you free. Nope.

P.S. I mean no offence and writing hastily... must step away from the computer... procrastinating is something I use avalon for, it is very good at helping me procrastinate from other stuff I need to be doing!

Friend, you don`t just get it how much we think similar!

I am not religious . I despise religions because they are man made form of slavery and ignorance.

I am trying to be a Christian. I am not ashamed to say, yes I am trying to be a Christian in my life. There is a huge difference between "Churchianity" and being a Christian.

Jesus condemned religion and you know that, it is just that "Christian" churches brought misery and evil in the name of Christ as their cover , just like cloak for sheeple...

But in reality Bible tells all. No wonder why Bible was the most burned book in centuries in Europe. Why?
Also they killed Tindale because he translated Bible in English. Why?

Vatican did not wanted people to read in the Bible what a Christian should do because they would saw a terrible and vast lie brought upon them by their churches. That is why today when I talk about Bible ,many think that I represent some religion. I do not. I just talk as a man who is living normal life, working hard and loving the truth. I do not make up things or stream into mysticism of philosophy. I like sheer truth as the truth is . Jesus told us the truth as you were writing but many simple can`t stand it because the truth reveals inner person and people are afraid of what they really are.

I agree with most of what you wrote except few things .
But I stand behind what I believe because I am not a fool to believe blindly.I check everything but also giving everything a chance to show up what it really is.

It is not an ego stuff what I am talking about, just different perception.
Have you ever wondered why people can talk about almost everything constantly but when we talk about Christ, people freak out and start with labeling ,hate messages, putting people down, laughing to their face???

I can not allow that. Why should I be fine and listen and tolerate all those rants and talks from esoteric ,demonic, fictional,ET,chakras, bla bla bla but when I state my point and opinion I am being attacked!

No no ,my friend ,in order to really understand all and grasp the truth we must be open to it. Did I stab someone in their heart with my points? Did I offended people by my talking about Christ and his words?

Then I am sorry if you (not you personally) feel that way .
I could easily label some people here as wackos or lunatics but I din`t.

The whole point of being Christian is for a person to try constantly to be holy as Christ is. Yes a person is making mistakes but he/she should try and continue on their path growing in knowledge,love,wisdom,being humble. And one day finally we will be holy as Christ is. We will then be true beings of light, we will return to our true family and true home, the divine.

Love and blessings!

Beren

[14 Chakras]

Man, I'm still procrastinating here... I find it quite addicting to speak with people about subjects I'm passionate about. How many people in the day to day world are as interested in truth seeking as Avalonians? Not many... But balance is the Way.

Yes Beren, I see you and I are in agreement on a great many things.

What I have personally discovered from my own perspective, is that every single human being is a Son or Daughter of God, that all true spiritual masters such as:

Jesus
Gautama Buddha
Confucius
Yogananda
Krishna

etc.

Are all on the same team and they are all trying to help different groups of people who were at different levels of consciousness, with different cultures, to come up higher past the illusions of this matrix we are in. All of their number one points was the same:

Give all you have to God, and God will give all it has to you. You will be reborn into the higher state of consciousness where you will inherit life eternal rather than being stuck in the matrix where the dead bury the dead over and over... You are a co-creator, you are an individualization of the One and your heritage is divine, but in order to receive what is truly yours, the kingdom of heaven, you must give up the illusion of who you think you are based on the matrix, based on the illusion of seperation, the human ego, and then you will be reborn into the reality of who you are beyond the matrix...

Anyway... point is, Bladvatskey and Hall were pioneers, they didn't have the full truth, they screwed up in some places most definitely, and any of this lucifer business is clear evidence of that, but they also shined the light on a lot of things and basically brought forth new ways of looking at spirituality and consciousness other than the way that vatican and fundamental churches had been keeping secreted away for centuries.

Sure some took teachings and misused them for the darkness, such as Crowley, but there was some goodness in the teachings too... and they led to good things.

Anyway, muslims, christians, atheist, hindus, agnostics, people from all walks of life are going to raise their consciousness and remember they are the Christs. It's all about remembering who we are beyond duality.

ok enough... ramble ramble

[Phtha]

Nice post Baron, some interesting info on Bill there, I didn't know he was ex-scientologist, but it makes sense somehow. Someone pointed out awhile back some interesting things about Bill and Kerrys' names. Bill Ryan.. Orion? And Cassidy, the Sun dance kid... and of course B&K is an acronym for British Knights.. Burger King... There is a resonance there... and the people that push both these red and blue pills are very very crafty, despite all there other misgivings. And they ALWAYS let each other know what they are up too through symbolism. Best to accept all possibilities. And they way they seem to trust some of these 'whistle blowers' just doesn't make sense unless...

I also agree with you about Maxwell. He is most certainly what Icke calls a repeater, and what really shows me that he is dishonest is how he wants all the credit... for info that is so clearly not his own.

Regardless, not everything he talked about was pure bs. I really loved that baseball anology have gave lol, and he has other great ones like that as well. To be fair Maxwell also stated many times himself that he wants people to do there own research on what he presents.

Originally Posted by Baron

Firefly,

Bill & Kerry for some odd reason seem to be very gullible or just too dammed nice for theirs and our own good, with some of the worst out there! Bill Ryan is a former "Scientologist" and now totally against it, must realise the same tricks they use to brainwash their victims, many of these whistle NON blowing snake oil conmen are using the same tricks on them! They really need not to befriend a lot of these people because it destroys impartiality and impartiality is one of the areas Camelot is loosing it on. They must never ever ask their whistle blower if they can ask that question! Have you ever heard a journalist say can I ask that or don't you want to speak about that on camera!!! That's tantamount to taunting and insulting the viewer and letting the fraud off the hook what good is a whistle blower if he does not spill any beans?

[beren]

I think one of the great misunderstandings about Jesus is to put his teachings into a basket or religions . Catholics, Ortodox chruch(Russian,Serbian....),Protestants(anglicans, adventists,baptists,jehovah´s witnesses........)and all others claim that Jesus is theirs!

Jesus is not anybody´s own ,he is his own and he condemned organized religion. All today´s religions on the planet are nothing but a version of Babylonian order of things along with their addition such as spiritualism,horoscopes,tarot,witchcraft,voodoo,ma gic(black and white),shamanism, budism,islam,taoism,hindu,vede.... ALL is same things with different version for particular country and nation and their level of awaredness...

Jesus spoke about each person to be connected to higher source of light-God almighty. You do not need a religion to that. You do not need to follow a man in order to get to God. It is interesting to notice that Jesus actually had a darn difficult time to actually explain people that. They followed him because he healed, gave food, told nice things but they were just following , not actually learning from him. That is why he for couple of times rocked the boat and many left him... Also even his closest friends did not understood him quite clearly even to the end. You see that line when you read New Testament that just a few people actually realised what he was talking about. They were all amazed by miracles and did not see the message he was delivering. In one point he said next things:

All of you can do the same things I did even greater that this!!!


And also after some time he basically said with quite a dissapointment:

How long I am going to suffer you ...you ignorants ( wicked generation)???



We all need to grow up. But many are misleading us on our path. For example Orthodoxymoron said nice conclusion about Maxwell... Maxwell basically said we are doomed but he did not offer a solution... In that moment he looked to me like self satisfied guy when delivered gloom and doom news to all.

I think he was lead astray with his findings and conclusions because I think he was being fed with lies and truths in the same time but over time he fashioned to kinda lean or like the LIE version of reality...

Anyways one of the best quotes I heard in my life was from Alex Collier ´s video- Love that you withold becomes the pain that you carry-

That is very true, very Christ words...

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by beren

I think one of the great misunderstandings about Jesus is to put his teachings into a basket or religions . Catholics, Ortodox chruch(Russian,Serbian....),Protestants(anglicans, adventists,baptists,jehovah´s witnesses........)and all others claim that Jesus is theirs!

Jesus is not anybody´s own ,he is his own and he condemned organized religion. All today´s religions on the planet are nothing but a version of Babylonian order of things along with their addition such as spiritualism,horoscopes,tarot,witchcraft,voodoo,ma gic(black and white),shamanism, budism,islam,taoism,hindu,vede.... ALL is same things with different version for particular country and nation and their level of awaredness...

The above statement sounds like it came straight from Blavatsky. She says the same thing about religion and the same thing about the true message of Jesus. Not that I needed to hear it from her, it mirriors my opinion as well... I just thought it ironic is all.

One of my personal favorite quotes from Jesus:

"Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word. The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves. For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture which is without life. God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."
~Jesus - Essene Gospels of Peace

[14 Chakras]

"
"Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word. The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves. For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture which is without life. God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."
~Jesus - Essene Gospels of Peace

"

I hadn't read this one before, gratitude. This is a very good piece of scripture that never made it in the official book, because it would stop the book from being used to control people. Those who founded the Vatican and the like wouldn't have wanted that now would they...

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Phtha

...God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."
~Jesus - Essene Gospels of Peace

if this is so

even the dyslexics

would know the Law

by Heart

and all would be fine


Scripture

is pointing to the

Word

within

and serves a purpose

for Spirit Revival

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

if this is so

even the dyslexics

would know the Law

by Heart

and all would be fine

How many listen to the still small voice in their heart?

Jesus was the Living Word. God's Word is Life itself.

Books and letters mean different things to different people. It is the spirit behind the words that most miss. This is what it is all about, the spirit, not the books.

God's word is found within, and if a particular book helps someone connect to the Living Word within, then it is of benefit to them for that reason. If a particular book does not help someone become independent of the book, but rather makes them dependent on it rather than connected to their own still small voice within, then it is not a good book for them.

Always the spirit, the outer stuff can only help us if we are willing to connect to the truth that is already their written for us in our heart in the Now.