Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

14 Chakras · 10-15-2009, 09:42 PM

My friend,

It is very simple for us to get caught up in the Christian ego where we believe we can judge others and put them in the box of "Satan" and "Jesus / good".

This is typical Christian ego stuff and it does not lead to the truth that will set us free.

Worshiping Jesus, accepting Jesus as your saviour, etc. is a DECEPTION.

Jesus is very real, and very much a spiritual being, but he will not do the work for anyone.

The reality is, we must carry our own cross and overcome the things of this world and be reborn as Jesus was reborn.

Bladvastky, Manly Hall had much much higher degree of truth than Christian preachers who say "satan this" and "Satan that".

Satan is a consciousness not just a dude. And as long as we are trapped in ego, we are trapped in the consciousness of satan...

Of course that line is rediculous.

But you must take it in context that it is a very in depth book about the secrets of masonry written for masons. It is all esoteric, it all is symbolic. When you read only one line then say "That person is satan spawn". That's not going to get you to the truth that will set you free. Nope.

P.S. I mean no offence and writing hastily... must step away from the computer... procrastinating is something I use avalon for, it is very good at helping me procrastinate from other stuff I need to be doing!

beren · 10-15-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

My friend,

It is very simple for us to get caught up in the Christian ego where we believe we can judge others and put them in the box of "Satan" and "Jesus / good".

This is typical Christian ego stuff and it does not lead to the truth that will set us free.

Worshiping Jesus, accepting Jesus as your saviour, etc. is a DECEPTION.

Jesus is very real, and very much a spiritual being, but he will not do the work for anyone.

The reality is, we must carry our own cross and overcome the things of this world and be reborn as Jesus was reborn.

Bladvastky, Manly Hall had much much higher degree of truth than Christian preachers who say "satan this" and "Satan that".

Satan is a consciousness not just a dude. And as long as we are trapped in ego, we are trapped in the consciousness of satan...

Of course that line is rediculous.

But you must take it in context that it is a very in depth book about the secrets of masonry written for masons. It is all esoteric, it all is symbolic. When you read only one line then say "That person is satan spawn". That's not going to get you to the truth that will set you free. Nope.

P.S. I mean no offence and writing hastily... must step away from the computer... procrastinating is something I use avalon for, it is very good at helping me procrastinate from other stuff I need to be doing!

Friend, you don`t just get it how much we think similar!

I am not religious . I despise religions because they are man made form of slavery and ignorance.

I am trying to be a Christian. I am not ashamed to say, yes I am trying to be a Christian in my life. There is a huge difference between "Churchianity" and being a Christian.

Jesus condemned religion and you know that, it is just that "Christian" churches brought misery and evil in the name of Christ as their cover , just like cloak for sheeple...

But in reality Bible tells all. No wonder why Bible was the most burned book in centuries in Europe. Why?
Also they killed Tindale because he translated Bible in English. Why?

Vatican did not wanted people to read in the Bible what a Christian should do because they would saw a terrible and vast lie brought upon them by their churches. That is why today when I talk about Bible ,many think that I represent some religion. I do not. I just talk as a man who is living normal life, working hard and loving the truth. I do not make up things or stream into mysticism of philosophy. I like sheer truth as the truth is . Jesus told us the truth as you were writing but many simple can`t stand it because the truth reveals inner person and people are afraid of what they really are.

I agree with most of what you wrote except few things .
But I stand behind what I believe because I am not a fool to believe blindly.I check everything but also giving everything a chance to show up what it really is.

It is not an ego stuff what I am talking about, just different perception.
Have you ever wondered why people can talk about almost everything constantly but when we talk about Christ, people freak out and start with labeling ,hate messages, putting people down, laughing to their face???

I can not allow that. Why should I be fine and listen and tolerate all those rants and talks from esoteric ,demonic, fictional,ET,chakras, bla bla bla but when I state my point and opinion I am being attacked!

No no ,my friend ,in order to really understand all and grasp the truth we must be open to it. Did I stab someone in their heart with my points? Did I offended people by my talking about Christ and his words?

Then I am sorry if you (not you personally) feel that way .
I could easily label some people here as wackos or lunatics but I din`t.

The whole point of being Christian is for a person to try constantly to be holy as Christ is. Yes a person is making mistakes but he/she should try and continue on their path growing in knowledge,love,wisdom,being humble. And one day finally we will be holy as Christ is. We will then be true beings of light, we will return to our true family and true home, the divine.

Love and blessings!

Beren

14 Chakras · 10-15-2009, 11:15 PM

Man, I'm still procrastinating here... I find it quite addicting to speak with people about subjects I'm passionate about. How many people in the day to day world are as interested in truth seeking as Avalonians? Not many... But balance is the Way.

Yes Beren, I see you and I are in agreement on a great many things.

What I have personally discovered from my own perspective, is that every single human being is a Son or Daughter of God, that all true spiritual masters such as:

Jesus
Gautama Buddha
Confucius
Yogananda
Krishna

etc.

Are all on the same team and they are all trying to help different groups of people who were at different levels of consciousness, with different cultures, to come up higher past the illusions of this matrix we are in. All of their number one points was the same:

Give all you have to God, and God will give all it has to you. You will be reborn into the higher state of consciousness where you will inherit life eternal rather than being stuck in the matrix where the dead bury the dead over and over... You are a co-creator, you are an individualization of the One and your heritage is divine, but in order to receive what is truly yours, the kingdom of heaven, you must give up the illusion of who you think you are based on the matrix, based on the illusion of seperation, the human ego, and then you will be reborn into the reality of who you are beyond the matrix...

Anyway... point is, Bladvatskey and Hall were pioneers, they didn't have the full truth, they screwed up in some places most definitely, and any of this lucifer business is clear evidence of that, but they also shined the light on a lot of things and basically brought forth new ways of looking at spirituality and consciousness other than the way that vatican and fundamental churches had been keeping secreted away for centuries.

Sure some took teachings and misused them for the darkness, such as Crowley, but there was some goodness in the teachings too... and they led to good things.

Anyway, muslims, christians, atheist, hindus, agnostics, people from all walks of life are going to raise their consciousness and remember they are the Christs. It's all about remembering who we are beyond duality.

ok enough... ramble ramble

10-15-2009, 09:42 PM	#1
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread My friend, It is very simple for us to get caught up in the Christian ego where we believe we can judge others and put them in the box of "Satan" and "Jesus / good". This is typical Christian ego stuff and it does not lead to the truth that will set us free. Worshiping Jesus, accepting Jesus as your saviour, etc. is a DECEPTION. Jesus is very real, and very much a spiritual being, but he will not do the work for anyone. The reality is, we must carry our own cross and overcome the things of this world and be reborn as Jesus was reborn. Bladvastky, Manly Hall had much much higher degree of truth than Christian preachers who say "satan this" and "Satan that". Satan is a consciousness not just a dude. And as long as we are trapped in ego, we are trapped in the consciousness of satan... Of course that line is rediculous. But you must take it in context that it is a very in depth book about the secrets of masonry written for masons. It is all esoteric, it all is symbolic. When you read only one line then say "That person is satan spawn". That's not going to get you to the truth that will set you free. Nope. P.S. I mean no offence and writing hastily... must step away from the computer... procrastinating is something I use avalon for, it is very good at helping me procrastinate from other stuff I need to be doing! Last edited by 14 Chakras; 10-15-2009 at 09:45 PM.

10-15-2009, 11:15 PM	#3
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread Man, I'm still procrastinating here... I find it quite addicting to speak with people about subjects I'm passionate about. How many people in the day to day world are as interested in truth seeking as Avalonians? Not many... But balance is the Way. Yes Beren, I see you and I are in agreement on a great many things. What I have personally discovered from my own perspective, is that every single human being is a Son or Daughter of God, that all true spiritual masters such as: Jesus Gautama Buddha Confucius Yogananda Krishna etc. Are all on the same team and they are all trying to help different groups of people who were at different levels of consciousness, with different cultures, to come up higher past the illusions of this matrix we are in. All of their number one points was the same: Give all you have to God, and God will give all it has to you. You will be reborn into the higher state of consciousness where you will inherit life eternal rather than being stuck in the matrix where the dead bury the dead over and over... You are a co-creator, you are an individualization of the One and your heritage is divine, but in order to receive what is truly yours, the kingdom of heaven, you must give up the illusion of who you think you are based on the matrix, based on the illusion of seperation, the human ego, and then you will be reborn into the reality of who you are beyond the matrix... Anyway... point is, Bladvatskey and Hall were pioneers, they didn't have the full truth, they screwed up in some places most definitely, and any of this lucifer business is clear evidence of that, but they also shined the light on a lot of things and basically brought forth new ways of looking at spirituality and consciousness other than the way that vatican and fundamental churches had been keeping secreted away for centuries. Sure some took teachings and misused them for the darkness, such as Crowley, but there was some goodness in the teachings too... and they led to good things. Anyway, muslims, christians, atheist, hindus, agnostics, people from all walks of life are going to raise their consciousness and remember they are the Christs. It's all about remembering who we are beyond duality. ok enough... ramble ramble