Contingency Plan if www goes down. Our own private web

[ucan]

@Baggywrinkle - I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows of these...

The only thing on Eye's post I have no actual experience of (yet) is "Satellite communications and hardware"

We still have some time to work out the options... Count me in, I can re-build the whole internet if necessary I have been working on a comm server method/code for my website, but thinking about it I could easily add a fidonet style distribution and mirror this site in freenet etc. - even a bittorret patchfile site update distribution is an option, there are loads of things we can do - I have a lot of code already written, it would be a matter of testing and creating a network of access points for dial-ups in different countries. I had some communication with the admin of this site before Christmas, but I'm waiting to hear back from them - there are cost/trust issues that need to be resolved before anything solid can be created, but then again - mirroring this site and adding it as a resource to a separate network maybe the best option as a centrally managed resource is basically a weakness...

Originally Posted by ucan

@Baggywrinkle - I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows of these...

The only thing on Eye's post I have no actual experience of (yet) is "Satellite communications and hardware"

We still have some time to work out the options... Count me in, I can re-build the whole internet if necessary I have been working on a comm server method/code for my website, but thinking about it I could easily add a fidonet style distribution and mirror this site in freenet etc. - even a bittorret patchfile site update distribution is an option, there are loads of things we can do - I have a lot of code already written, it would be a matter of testing and creating a network of access points for dial-ups in different countries. I had some communication with the admin of this site before Christmas, but I'm waiting to hear back from them - there are cost/trust issues that need to be resolved before anything solid can be created, but then again - mirroring this site and adding it as a resource to a separate network maybe the best option as a centrally managed resource is basically a weakness...

I've mentioned this topic at least two other times previously. But it fell on deaf ears.

I had freenet installed on my computer for a while. It is unwieldy and slow. But fidonet is another story.

I cut my teeth in BBS land back in the early eighties. The old Paranet network was my lifeline for information.
I'd call a node on the other side of the country to access the daily packet and knew about Ed Dames, and the Inslaw Promis fiasco years before it went main stream

Forget satellite. Ham data packets will be where it's at.
This is strictly a pirate clandestine operation. You will be doing
an end run around the government nanny net. It will not
be viewed kindly.

Combined with a security protocol such as PGP it would be very powerful.

The trick is getting folks to take it seriously and start NOW

Who among you has the brass and resolve to stand up to tyranny?

Freedom of speech and freedom of ideas is your most basic of human rights.

Without it you might as well kneel down and lick the boot.

[Dantheman62]

I look at this a little differently, my contingency plan started when I got my computer only 3 years ago. I've never done so much reading and learning about new things. If anything happens I really only need to worry about and try and stay in touch with 4 people,(3 sisters and a brother) and they will be just fine.So I look at this in an old fashioned way, in otherwards get off the keyboard highway and back to the dirt roads! I'll get my weather from the sky, and early warnings from animals (and binoculars).

I already know how to survive so I'm not on the computer to learn about that, I'm on to learn more about things that are not mainstream ideas. So I'm trying to learn as much as possible now so if the internet goes down, so be it. I remember going camping for weeks up by the Canadian border in northern Minnesota, how nice it was with no phones or TV, and just a fire for light at night.
Sorry, I'm a little moody today, LOL!

[Czymra]

I started a very similar thread as EYES WIDE OPEN on the same day. Nice.

Anyway, I like the idea of being electronically armed for this stuff and of course having Baggywrinkle and ucan here is assuring.
However, I'm somewhat with Dan when it comes to the thing really blowing.
Your next man must be your best friend.

Nevertheless, being organised is highly important if you suddenly had to face someone who has been at it for decades. I can't tune into the consciousness of one so count me in at least mentally.

The radio option however does sound more sturdy than this whole BSS thing. It doesn't rely on computers as such or am I mistaken?

[Hermano]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I look at this a little differently, my contingency plan started when I got my computer only 3 years ago. I've never done so much reading and learning about new things. If anything happens I really only need to worry about and try and stay in touch with 4 people,(3 sisters and a brother) and they will be just fine.So I look at this in an old fashioned way, in otherwards get off the keyboard highway and back to the dirt roads! I'll get my weather from the sky, and early warnings from animals (and binoculars).

I already know how to survive so I'm not on the computer to learn about that, I'm on to learn more about things that are not mainstream ideas. So I'm trying to learn as much as possible now so if the internet goes down, so be it. I remember going camping for weeks up by the Canadian border in northern Minnesota, how nice it was with no phones or TV, and just a fire for light at night.
Sorry, I'm a little moody today, LOL!

My reasons for a backup communication system are simple;

1. I want to know what is happening in other parts of the world if I global issues arise from a trusted network.

2. I want to use it to contact friends/family to check their situation and team up.

3. I want to stay in touch with like minded people in europe so if something happens, everybody in the europe network can communicate their situation and a safe location can be found faster. Same would count for US people.

It would increase the chance to continue free communication and increase chances of survival.

[EarthBowl]

Originally Posted by Hermano

My reasons for a backup communication system are simple;

1. I want to know what is happening in other parts of the world if I global issues arise from a trusted network.

2. I want to use it to contact friends/family to check their situation and team up.

3. I want to stay in touch with like minded people in europe so if something happens, everybody in the europe network can communicate their situation and a safe location can be found faster. Same would count for US people.

It would increase the chance to continue free communication and increase chances of survival.

AGREED
THANK you for bring this up.
This issue has been seriously rolling around in my awareness for six months. I am aware that there will be a 'cut off' soon. It is a logical control plan. At Ifirst I considered it as a local problem - no electricity to connect and so looked into small solar panels, that with an inverter / converter ?? could charge a deep cell battery - limited- but enough to connect a laptop or notebook.

Then realized- if all our Nets were down then what to do. So looked into ham radio info etc.... It's just not my thing to figure this out.
I'm left brain thinker- I would need the expertise of others- I then could follow clear right brain instructions.
Meanwhile I am exploring telepathy. (If anyone else is interested- let me know. I have no idea if there are established protocals- but I'm willing to try anything)
Blessings

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by EarthBowl

AGREED
THANK you for bring this up.
This issue has been seriously rolling around in my awareness for six months. I am aware that there will be a 'cut off' soon. It is a logical control plan. At Ifirst I considered it as a local problem - no electricity to connect and so looked into small solar panels, that with an inverter / converter ?? could charge a deep cell battery - limited- but enough to connect a laptop or notebook.

Then realized- if all our Nets were down then what to do. So looked into ham radio info etc.... It's just not my thing to figure this out.
I'm left brain thinker- I would need the expertise of others- I then could follow clear right brain instructions.
Meanwhile I am exploring telepathy. (If anyone else is interested- let me know. I have no idea if there are established protocals- but I'm willing to try anything)
Blessings

I had similar musing in that order. Check the Nexus 2012 Event, skim through it till you find a picture of a guy driving a car with a bag over the head.

Somewhere later, with a picture of Zener cards, there is something like a manual.

[Waterman]

It is important to have three abilities.

1) to have your own power supply
2) receive information (radio receiver)
3) transmit information (radio transmitter which are rare today so you would get a trans/ceiver, or what is known as today's ham radio transceiver)

Go to the amatuer/ham radio section (Bill Ryan) in this forum and get caught up.

Once you have a radio now you can connect the computer for packets and encrypt them with pgp.

Below is some info from that thread;
Here is some information that might help those trying to find radios.
I have picked out two models. One is more portable than the other,
and I picked Yaesu brand as an example.

Make sure you view the video links they give a really good feel for
what to expect. These are not tube types but can be up
and running faster that the tube types.

Consider getting one of these to operate now and then learn how to
protect them from EMP which is an inexpensive endeavor.

Remember you do not need a license to get a radi

Here is a link for a Yaesu FT-897D (D means deluxe an update to the
original by adding the 60 meter band)
A nice feature about this one is that there is space internally for
optional battery power. For not just one but two internal batteries.
Each battery is about $125...
http://www.universal-radio.com/CATALOG/hamhf/1897.html
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKLWDz9neM

Here is a link for purchasing a Yaesu FT-847:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/135F.
It is HF (which means high frequency that can communicate worldwide)
+ 2M, 6M, and 70cm Transceiver

This site has a nice picture of the Yaesu FT-847 front with easily
readable controls.
http://www.rigpix.com/yaesu/ft847.htm

Here is a YouTube video of the rig in operation....
This rig may look intimidating but is easy to use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6weQiHmRQ

Here are some videos showing a more portable radio, the Yaesu 857D.

Here they are talking on 3.685.00 you can see the frequency displayed
in the video
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=YNDwEOncc74&NR=1

Some folks are wondering what it might look like to set up and have a
mobile unit. Here is a mobile setup not exactly a cross country lightweight
backpacking setup and remember the music is optional lolol.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=WjEZAa...eature=related

Many have an interest in being able to carry in a backpack a way
of communicating worldwide so here is how you would set up for
backpack use.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9iJI...eature=related

One thing I would have added to this backpack for long term use is a roll
up solar battery charger. Some portable solar chargers like the one you
will see here is not a roll up.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nHbx_Qhc8mU&NR=1
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=TdMIeABaH7Q&NR=1

The FT857D can be obtained brand new for $719.95 at this link
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/1857.html
It is 160 meters through 6 meters with FM ability on 2meter and 440Mhz

Here is demo of the FT-857
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbfzldRCY0&NR=1
In the demo they are operating on frequency 14.261

As you can see the 857 is very mobile, and compact.

[Czymra]

Hello Waterman,

This is great practical info but some of those links don't work. Could you have another look across?