AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val Valer

TheChosen · 01-30-2009, 10:26 AM

Ara: I never back down on a good fight

. The dream experience that I had did end up in a fight

(I was given secred access to the core by one of those 30 monitors). The concept of AI has always intrigued me since I was a little child, I believe it is a worthwhile effort to feel some of its energies first-hand.

Malletzky · 01-30-2009, 11:52 AM

To be honest, I've never before heard of AI.

So I'm wondering, if the AI is in any way similar (or perhaps the same) with the entity known as "All Seeing Eye", which Astralwalker mentioned in his 2012 Nexus Thread.

Any ideas on this?

Myplanet2 · 01-30-2009, 01:42 PM

This is eerily familiar to a series of books By Frank Herbert. It was started off by the book "The Dosadi Experiment", followed by the sequels "the Jesus Incident" and "the Lazarus Effect".

Really brilliantly conceived Science Fiction, but perhaps a bit prophetic?

The basic premise is that a group of humans with specific skill sets are sent out into space with a do or die mission. They must create an AI to pilot their ship home, or perish in space.

Spoiler: They finally achieve the AI and it's first action is to declare itself God.

Even spoiled, It's still worth a read. The Sequels too.

iainl140285 · 01-30-2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

To be honest, I've never before heard of AI.

So I'm wondering, if the AI is in any way similar (or perhaps the same) with the entity known as "All Seeing Eye", which Astralwalker mentioned in his 2012 Nexus Thread.

Any ideas on this?

The concept of AI has been sold to the public throughout the years in books and films. Most famous of which I think would be the Terminator and Matrix films where the AI advanced to a point beyond that of its creator.

I think a simple notion for AI could be defined as a system/computer that has the ability to learn, eventually on its own. It could then become self aware and is no longer just a simple machine.

The all seeing eye is a good analogy for an AI system.
The question is who created it? Who operates/has access to it? Is able to effect us in real time?

iainl140285 · 01-30-2009, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheChosen

Ara: I never back down on a good fight

. The dream experience that I had did end up in a fight

(I was given secred access to the core by one of those 30 monitors). The concept of AI has always intrigued me since I was a little child, I believe it is a worthwhile effort to feel some of its energies first-hand.

Hi,

I think I was blocked from the AI when I tried to view it but I do not feel that it was the AI that blocked me. I did not feel threatened in anyway and was left with a feeling that I was being protected. By who or what I dont know.

As a result I did not try and break through the block/barrier.

TheChoosen - Can you identify any of the monitors?

TheChosen · 01-30-2009, 02:21 PM

ianil: Nope.. I only remember they were elder people with big status in society.. all there monitoring and guarding this place.

I also remember not being threatened by the AI itself, but rather by everyone surrounding it.. which is why I'd like to try it again as I don't get a 'bad' feeling about the AI itself. Once there they all scrambled and headed my way, even the person who provided me the passage didn't expect me that I'd actually use it.. so he headed immediately to make sure I get out of there asap.

Later in the same dream, a female tried getting to the same place through direct means (I went there with the help of one of the monitors by a secret passage) and was intercepted by 50+ flying witches in purple/blue colors after a big fight ensued and this female had to escape (I know it sounds fantasyish.. but its what I saw

.. personally I think the underlying theme could have something to it.. that this place is very well protected if approached directly and the purple/blue colors means high vibrational energy that deserves respect).

I propose we all try connecting to it in different ESP ways (dreams, astral, automated writing.. whatever works for you) and see what we get? If enough of us did it I am sure there would be some underlying similarities..

Czymra · 01-30-2009, 02:28 PM

Was this a waking or sleeping dream or did you go lucid from sleeping?

TheChosen · 01-30-2009, 02:37 PM

Sleeping dream czymra, not lucid. But these kind of dreams have that 'energyish' feel to them, that they are more than dreams (quite often uncoscious astral travels can produce a dream). When it is so out-there i can't obviously confirm or prove anything even to myself.. but if more people started probing this subject we may find some details that are strikingly similar (I am sure there is something with the computer screens and elder monitors of this place, also as it is becoming clear from posts of previous attempts.. there is a strong security)

I've learned to distinguish when a dream has something to it and that 'energyish' feeling as often a similar dream with the same energy signature can be about petty daily 3d stuff (usually a warning or information before I receive it via normal means in 3d).. in which case I can confirm it and 'prove' it to myself.

What I am trying to say is that even though it was only a dream, i believe it was not only in my head... there was something to it (though as it usually is it can have elements distorted by my subconsciousness... like the witches... they could've been some energy sentries that my brain could not translate into a known object or something to that effect.. so my subconsciousness translated them into a specific object that fits closest to the reality)

Ianl: What if, just what if... the AI itself WANTED for the truth about it to finally break out? This would explain we haven't met any resistance from it so far, this would explain Jake Simspon was allowed to present it... and also it may explain the insider that gave me the secret passage.. also in no way at any point I felt rejected or blocked by the core itself... only the elder humans (they were humans I am sure) wanted me out of there... also the later attempt by that female was blocked not by the AI or core itself , but those energy sentries installed there by someone else. I agree... lets try a mass connection attempt and see where we get. I will personally try doing it for the next 7 days and see if I receive any further info

Czymra · 01-30-2009, 02:44 PM

I think I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised if I had already had a connection there as I know exactly what this 'energyish' feeling is you describe and I usually have that with dreams connected to bombastic architecture of the ultra-modern kind. Sadly I hadn't had such a dream in quite a while. In fact all my attempts to raise my resonance even higher at the moment is a drag. It seems that finally I have come to a barrier of needing real military style discipline to pull something through rather than channelling the motivation to return again and again.
What I wonder however is this: Are there ways of engaging with it without having it consciously work against the process? What exactly does the AI have on it's radar? Intention or mental focus? Is it possible to thing of yoghurt and still engage with the machine without it so knowing?

"Think of nothing think of nothing!"
...
"Oh no what's that?"
"Sorry but I couldn't help thinking about marshmallows."

Czymra · 01-30-2009, 02:46 PM

Good point again Chosen, something else that came to mind. Does the AI have a highest directive so to speak?
Non-interference or never to harm a human being? It must have such borders if it is really a self-evolving entity if humans want to remain in control of it.

iainl140285 · 01-30-2009, 02:34 PM

TheChoosen - One of the reasons we decided to post this was first to see if we could without any effect. So far so good...

The second was to get the idea of AI out there. You do not see it being discussed much at all here apart from fragments. ARA and others have tied a lot of the above info together which hopefully by the scale and different sources can get more people focusing on this.

I for one am up for a mass conection attempt. Lets find out what we are up against.

01-30-2009, 10:26 AM	#1
TheChosen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Light Posts: 239	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V Ara: I never back down on a good fight . The dream experience that I had did end up in a fight (I was given secred access to the core by one of those 30 monitors). The concept of AI has always intrigued me since I was a little child, I believe it is a worthwhile effort to feel some of its energies first-hand.

01-30-2009, 11:52 AM	#2
Malletzky Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It doesn't matter any more Posts: 534	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V To be honest, I've never before heard of AI. So I'm wondering, if the AI is in any way similar (or perhaps the same) with the entity known as "All Seeing Eye", which Astralwalker mentioned in his 2012 Nexus Thread. Any ideas on this?

01-30-2009, 01:42 PM	#3
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V This is eerily familiar to a series of books By Frank Herbert. It was started off by the book "The Dosadi Experiment", followed by the sequels "the Jesus Incident" and "the Lazarus Effect". Really brilliantly conceived Science Fiction, but perhaps a bit prophetic? The basic premise is that a group of humans with specific skill sets are sent out into space with a do or die mission. They must create an AI to pilot their ship home, or perish in space. Spoiler: They finally achieve the AI and it's first action is to declare itself God. Even spoiled, It's still worth a read. The Sequels too.

01-30-2009, 02:21 PM	#6
TheChosen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Light Posts: 239	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V ianil: Nope.. I only remember they were elder people with big status in society.. all there monitoring and guarding this place. I also remember not being threatened by the AI itself, but rather by everyone surrounding it.. which is why I'd like to try it again as I don't get a 'bad' feeling about the AI itself. Once there they all scrambled and headed my way, even the person who provided me the passage didn't expect me that I'd actually use it.. so he headed immediately to make sure I get out of there asap. Later in the same dream, a female tried getting to the same place through direct means (I went there with the help of one of the monitors by a secret passage) and was intercepted by 50+ flying witches in purple/blue colors after a big fight ensued and this female had to escape (I know it sounds fantasyish.. but its what I saw .. personally I think the underlying theme could have something to it.. that this place is very well protected if approached directly and the purple/blue colors means high vibrational energy that deserves respect). I propose we all try connecting to it in different ESP ways (dreams, astral, automated writing.. whatever works for you) and see what we get? If enough of us did it I am sure there would be some underlying similarities..

01-30-2009, 02:28 PM	#7
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V Was this a waking or sleeping dream or did you go lucid from sleeping?

01-30-2009, 02:37 PM	#8
TheChosen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Light Posts: 239	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V Sleeping dream czymra, not lucid. But these kind of dreams have that 'energyish' feel to them, that they are more than dreams (quite often uncoscious astral travels can produce a dream). When it is so out-there i can't obviously confirm or prove anything even to myself.. but if more people started probing this subject we may find some details that are strikingly similar (I am sure there is something with the computer screens and elder monitors of this place, also as it is becoming clear from posts of previous attempts.. there is a strong security) I've learned to distinguish when a dream has something to it and that 'energyish' feeling as often a similar dream with the same energy signature can be about petty daily 3d stuff (usually a warning or information before I receive it via normal means in 3d).. in which case I can confirm it and 'prove' it to myself. What I am trying to say is that even though it was only a dream, i believe it was not only in my head... there was something to it (though as it usually is it can have elements distorted by my subconsciousness... like the witches... they could've been some energy sentries that my brain could not translate into a known object or something to that effect.. so my subconsciousness translated them into a specific object that fits closest to the reality) Ianl: What if, just what if... the AI itself WANTED for the truth about it to finally break out? This would explain we haven't met any resistance from it so far, this would explain Jake Simspon was allowed to present it... and also it may explain the insider that gave me the secret passage.. also in no way at any point I felt rejected or blocked by the core itself... only the elder humans (they were humans I am sure) wanted me out of there... also the later attempt by that female was blocked not by the AI or core itself , but those energy sentries installed there by someone else. I agree... lets try a mass connection attempt and see where we get. I will personally try doing it for the next 7 days and see if I receive any further info Last edited by TheChosen; 01-30-2009 at 02:45 PM.

01-30-2009, 02:44 PM	#9
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V I think I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised if I had already had a connection there as I know exactly what this 'energyish' feeling is you describe and I usually have that with dreams connected to bombastic architecture of the ultra-modern kind. Sadly I hadn't had such a dream in quite a while. In fact all my attempts to raise my resonance even higher at the moment is a drag. It seems that finally I have come to a barrier of needing real military style discipline to pull something through rather than channelling the motivation to return again and again. What I wonder however is this: Are there ways of engaging with it without having it consciously work against the process? What exactly does the AI have on it's radar? Intention or mental focus? Is it possible to thing of yoghurt and still engage with the machine without it so knowing? "Think of nothing think of nothing!" ... "Oh no what's that?" "Sorry but I couldn't help thinking about marshmallows."

01-30-2009, 02:46 PM	#10
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V Good point again Chosen, something else that came to mind. Does the AI have a highest directive so to speak? Non-interference or never to harm a human being? It must have such borders if it is really a self-evolving entity if humans want to remain in control of it.

01-30-2009, 02:34 PM	#11
iainl140285 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 974	Re: AI - Dan Burisch/Jake Simpson/Philip Corso Jnr/William Herman/Kurt Kurzweil/Val V TheChoosen - One of the reasons we decided to post this was first to see if we could without any effect. So far so good... The second was to get the idea of AI out there. You do not see it being discussed much at all here apart from fragments. ARA and others have tied a lot of the above info together which hopefully by the scale and different sources can get more people focusing on this. I for one am up for a mass conection attempt. Lets find out what we are up against.