I'm so confused about 2012

[piers2210]

Hey Carol, by the way, if you read Carl Johan Calleman's "The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness", you will have missed the boat if you wait till 2012....it apparently sails with all its enlightened souls on 28th October 2011......

Gather up the garden furniture now!!

Atb, Piers

[piers2210]

Czymra, would a case of Chateau de Puligny-Montrachet do ok? A nice medium priced pinot which should go well with the music. Ok, i'm joking...there's a great pub nearby though. Oops. Just keeping a light tone to the serious business of 2012. We've got to have fun still.

P.

[AussieG]

2012 will come and go just as we come and go.
What is important is what have we experienced for that is all there is. If looks were important we would all be beautiful, if money was important we would all be rich, if death was an issue we wouldn't die. To evolve to an enlightened being we need to answer any question to be able to do that we must have experienced that situation, honey is just honey until you have tasted it.

We have a conscious that gently and quietly collects our experiences this is the only real part of us and it is the conscious that goes on. So there is no good or bad it is just experience. If there is no good or bad then there can be no real fear.
As for wanting to stay and care for loved ones, giving is the greatest experience (for it was the first experience of all), provided it doesn't restrict the gaining of their experiences, we are all here to learn.

Our conscious is higher connected, follow its guidance and through intuition come 2012 you will know what to do, but for now as mother Teresa said "find someone who is alone and let them know that there not". The real gift is giving its self.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Czymra, would a case of Chateau de Puligny-Montrachet do ok? A nice medium priced pinot which should go well with the music. Ok, i'm joking...there's a great pub nearby though. Oops. Just keeping a light tone to the serious business of 2012. We've got to have fun still.

P.

Might you be of French origin? I'm curious about the Ave pub. The B&B I'll stay at looks peculiar already.

As for staying or going, I'm sure when the time strikes we will know. I wouldn't worry there. Also, when you are of higher dimension, who says you can't visit those left behind?

[Dantheman62]

If something happens, it happens, if not then so be it. I myself like it here and really am not ready to move on to the next density. I've got a long ways to go spiritually and if that means I stay here and do it over and over again, so be it. I really don't even want to go to the telepathic level, I mean how do you tell a joke telepathically?, you can't, because everyone would already know the punch line! LOL!

[rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

If something happens, it happens, if not then so be it. I myself like it here and really am not ready to move on to the next density. I've got a long ways to go spiritually and if that means I stay here and do it over and over again, so be it. I really don't even want to go to the telepathic level, I mean how do you tell a joke telepathically?, you can't, because everyone would already know the punch line! LOL!

I BET YOU WOULD REALY BE RELIEVED
THINK ABOUT IT DAN NO MORE BIRD
POO , NO MORE LOUNGE , hmmm ,
you could be right , but my telepathic
power tell me ,er, i keep that to myself
i will pm you later i got a better punch line
for yer

[jazzgad]

I also loved good food good wine ,planing cards with friends and family
solitude in nature ,music and good books and could go on
enjoying those passions probably not ready to let it go of them even
when 100 years old .but then something happened during one meditation
I experienced being Sun radiating ,outpouring tremendous amounts of love
and light i come back sobbing and crying and now can not wait till this is over .

in the mean time praing every day that humanity wake up from the dream
so those on higher dimensions don't have to shake us up to hard
I wish gentle wake up call would suffice .

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by jazzgad

I also loved good food good wine ,planing cards with friends and family
solitude in nature ,music and good books and could go on
enjoying those passions probably not ready to let it go of them even
when 100 years old .but then something happened during one meditation
I experienced being Sun radiating ,outpouring tremendous amounts of love
and light i come back sobbing and crying and now can not wait till this is over .

in the mean time praing every day that humanity wake up from the dream
so those on higher dimensions don't have to shake us up to hard
I wish gentle wake up call would suffice .

once we have had a taste of what truly is real ... nothing of what is illusion even comes close ...

a gentle day to everyone ...

[Dantheman62]

We need to get rid of three things for this planet to evolve peacefully. These three things are money, religion, and politics. Until we become independent of money, believe in ourselves as a whole, as one, and be one with nature, and become self governing this planet will never evolve to the next level.

1. Money means materialistic things, which should be last on the list, and money brings wars due to greed and opportunity.

2.Religion has killed more people than all the wars put together and is a brainwashing institution.

3. Politics turns us into sheep and follow those who are in charge, when no group should be in charge, we should be in charge of ourselves and be responsible for ourselves and our actions which we aren't ready to do yet because our level of spirituality is not there yet, not to mention how many wars are due to political BS.

[jazzgad]

what you resist persist
we can not get rid of anything ,the state of this planet reflects
our state of collective consciousness with one belief playing major
role " that we are separate from each other and universe "
only if we believe that to be true the masses can be controlled
economically and consequently politically by elites ,and only if elites
believe the same they can conceive and execute those plans of population control (wars famine disses ) not knowing they are doing it to themself
inspired by higher densities STS .

so once the wisdom that we are One is accepted by all everythig else
(economical exploitation ,violence ) will disappear like bad dream
which it is .

Hi Carol - IMO, this life is a gift. It would be rude to let it go by, without enjoying food, play, love, happiness, creation - so yes! beauty & music - while being wary in the grey zone; 2012's too far away for me!

By the way, I know what you mean about the house. You should have seen mine when I was in the throes of Avalonia/basement flood a while back. Sheer madness, a descent to disorder that I have never before witnessed (same for the kids, pets). A youngster visited, one half yrs, and was paralyzed at the front door with thousands of unsafe options (whew!!!) - absolute immobility. After a few moments, he tipped backwards with the state of affairs.... (whew again)... I actually wondered why his mom was frantically picking up for a bit, before I got it - only because she told me (I asked why, oops), but his paralysis/ gave her the extra minutes. Luckily, she loves me.

(in my oblivion)

[Anchor]

[Please note: All intuitive messages come with the standard, take it or leave it disclaimer - discrimination is mandatory]

Carol,

You have a mission. Your confusion exists because you have not conciously become aware of it yet, however the talents that you have developed over this lifetime so far are all essential to your effectiveness in your leadership role for what is to come.

Oh, and yes, you do need to meditate more

All,

The only thing that is going to happen "in the blink of an eye" is the passing of the energy peak which will result in a consciousness boost for all living at that moment. This is the line in the sand. After that point, for the earth, no more pure 3D incarnation will be possible. People forget that the ascension is mainly about the Earth, we are merely in attendance and deriving huge opportunities for self development and service.

The time of sorting between the pathways appropriate for each person comes when they die during these times. If you died tomorrow, your personal harvest has come. Death may come to many nearer 2012, depending on how we humans conduct ourselves during these remaining moments.

Life may get a bit interesting nearer the time, and it will be for the ones who have trained and prepared materially for, and prepared themselves spiritually for the tasks ahead who will be guided to lead the rest of the survivors into a golden age on Earth

Yours intuitively,

A..

[Czymra]

I really appreciate the interpretations that go down here regarding 2012. Keep it going!

[Carol]

I just had this stray thought. What if all that info that has been downloaded into us also via so-called junk DNA gets triggered by this galactic wave? Then what? It would seem such a terrible waste to vacate the planet just when one knows what to do to help it recover.

And then there is the Buddhist philosophy to stay until all souls are liberated. Many of my past life recalls are of being a zen monk so there may be that possibility, that underlying intent, unconsciously at work as well.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Carol

I just had this stray thought. What if all that info that has been downloaded into us also via so-called junk DNA gets triggered by this galactic wave? Then what? It would seem such a terrible waste to vacate the planet just when one knows what to do to help it recover.

And then there is the Buddhist philosophy to stay until all souls are liberated. Many of my past life recalls are of being a zen monk so there may be that possibility, that underlying intent, unconsciously at work as well.

It is one continuous adventure!

We are just entering the 4th dimension, and about to experience a New Universe. It is the same planet, but many things will have changed.

From the The Light of Emmanuel, Explorations into Oneness, by ANANDA, published 1991.

In every way this realisation (of Oneness) is coming to planet Earth. So that all the beings in planet Earth will, in at least the next 2000 years - as you count time - be brought into the re-awareness of being a one Being, that has been experiencing Himself, learning from Himself. Forgetting who He was for a while, to play this game of being individual entities, going into a creation, learning lessons, learning different cycles, different patterns within creation, going into karmic patterns, the law of cause and effect, and seeing how you can overcome that. How you can lift that cycle into higher cycles. How you can unite with fellow beings who also appear to be individualised. How you can have conflicts with them. And through those conflicts with them you learn how to be in greater harmony and unity, and a greater exchange and a greater love for them.

...

Oh dear ones. Do not despair [said in humor], You are really in a game of joy. If you were not so enthralled in tasting this experience, there would be no suffering. But suffering and pain, as well as joy, has been part of that process of individualising to become separate, in illusion, separate into a planet.
And in that planet begin a whole cycle of what appears to be incarnations. Where you experience different lessons, different laws, different cycles, until you are again fed-up of being separate - you cannot take it any more- fed-up of being rebellious, as an individual, against Being One. And so, completely surrender saying "I give up, I surrender myself to All."
And so you once again become All. And the wonderful thing is: you will be ALL. And from a perspective in-between that, you will also be individual. Until, gradually, over billions of years - in how you would count time - you can be that one Being which you really are, which the physicists will discover you all are.

We have been told repeatedly from an equally deep source that the children growing up today may anticipate a refreshed world, a world in which they may express in a more joyful manner, and that we may become golden beings as we express from a more joyous point of view, right here on this Earth.

Share this joyous anticipation with your daughter. The earth is not disappearing, just freshening up a little.

[Carol]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Hey Carol, by the way, if you read Carl Johan Calleman's "The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness", you will have missed the boat if you wait till 2012....it apparently sails with all its enlightened souls on 28th October 2011......

Gather up the garden furniture now!!

Atb, Piers

I saw his presentation so am aware of the October date. I would want to take all our animals.. the chickens, horses, dog, cats.. because I would want them to be well cared for and not abandoned.

The galactive wave will transform consciousness as it ushers in the golden age. The key is what does one do once enlightened? Even the buddist story is to chop wood, carry water and take care of one's rice bowl.

This is "innocence"... Carol, expressing your vulnerability, confusion, humility.... of what might be, to profess it out loud. Myself? Having read other's works, from all angles for a long time... I realized that all I can do is trust the process of life. Next thought is "do the next right thing"... but know what? The simple reality is that we don't always do what is best & right for ourselves... most of us, including myself, sometimes grope thru the day trying not to think too much.

I love bread & butter as much as anyone, but some days it's a chore having to decide what to eat... it's a time consuming matter feeding & dressing this body each & every day.... I mean, to eat right takes planning.

What's it all about Alfie??? Who really knows? One professes this, another that... they are all beliefs along w/incredible exposures.... blah blah, I can become as overwhelmed as the next guy! But I do love the entertainment value....is why I check in here along w/chancing across some deeper insight.

Meanwhile, I love to learn & can't stop LOOKING in at things... I marvel at the brilliance of other people! And I too, realize how lost & ignorant we all are at times!

I think that many are confused for good reason... and that it's a prompt to recognize just how grounded you are, what your convictions & values are... to differentiate between what you KNOW and what you BELIEVE...the latter will get you in trouble for it is static, not dynamic. The question might be: IS there an Actuality vs Reality? I see a differentiation.

I've always been sort of ****** off at "god" since a small child, ONLY because I thought it was a chitty thing that we have to die in this life which IS a mystery. Truly I don't think it's worth it to live a snapshot life seeing how time just flies... and then to face the reality that you will die, hmmm... in this time, either by heart disease, cancer, war, starvation, etc... you get my drift.. it isn't a pleasant ending here.

What has my 'goat' is the deceptive nature of this life... we have surely been lied to, that is a FACT... and bottom line, even w/technology, internet, etc... we are left feeling utterly responsible (& well we are!)...because we didn't get to the bottom of things fast enough... AND, not only that, but it seems (the conspiracy threads, the "insiders" et al) it's not even Possible to get to the bottom of things.. there is NO way anymore to verify anything!!!

THUS I'm left w/trusting the process of life, be that what it is... that is where I am... I surrender to the process of life and it's quite satisfying to do so, meanwhile I utililize best I can what it is that I think I know.

As a young person, I noticed that the elder ones looked sad and worn out, now I'm approaching 57 and I'm beginning to look that way .... know why??? because Life seems so serious and I'm just as confused as you are Carol. I think as women, we carry the burden of the world sometimes.

I'm pretty sure it's hardwired into us to fear the ultimate demise... that of LOSS, Bodily Death... however, this loss also points out the value of not having attachments.... but our minds? our souls? we do not want to lose what we've learned...

I try to stay away from beliefs... I do regret, however, that I did not heed the message to invest and live more self reliant, off the grid, solar power etc... but, then again, I lived paycheck to paycheck just as most do... to survive.

It's a terrible vulnerability Carol... so, I do HEAR you...

It's a beautiful day today, even after a severe ice storm here in NW Arkansas... the sun melted everthing, the deer are outside the window, dinner is cooking thanks to the generator... and the forest looks devastated... so many trees crashed all around our home, but not one hit the house... amazing as it's probably the worst ice storm in 30 yrs.

Heartfelts

[Carol]

Thank you for your thoughts EpiphaMe.

Having seen and experienced the other side consciously it does have its lure and for a long time I would have preferred to be there then here. Then a decision was made to stay and help the ones I love. So being here, staying is really an act of self-sacrifice at a deep spiritual level. I had a vision.. saw the future of what would happen to my family if I were not here. It became clear to me that irrespective of my personal self-centered feelings, there were other past life considerations to take into account with this life. We adopted a child who is now 12 and she is no where near ready for any type of transition.

I'm also aware that if my husband was not here I would be ready to go in a heart beat only because life would seem so overwhelmingly for just one person to do what we do as a team. Yet, what others don't know is just how many peoples lives are affected by the work he does and the many past life commitments he made this time to help others during their transitions. We are a team, partners, soul mates. Our lives are much bigger then who we are as individuals and our commitment to others goes beyond our own personal desires. It is because we are together that our personal journey is much easier.. even though we do have our own individual challenges which must be dealt with sharing the load with another makes it fun for the most part.

Yet, I will share another experience. There was an ET contact once where hive mind was experienced. It really was quite amazing and one never feels alone when connected at this particular level with this particular group. However, it also became evident that this particular group did not know Divine Christ Consciousness and connectedness that can be experienced throughout the core of ones beingness. As much as I truly enjoyed the "hive" connection.. I wanted to be back in my own psyche space with myself. I truly am enjoying this experience of individuality as it is also unique and quite fulfilling in its own way. As my inner core is at peace, for the most part this experience of ones own conscious awareness is satisfying and feeds another different type of inner need and desire.

I been making observations about other's energy these past many months. For instance, this one person I observed was very angry and his energy created much chaos for many people. His negative energy was like a bad virus affecting many people and then those people's families. Energy.. toxic or healing. It is a choice after all.

So back to my confusion. I was thinking about how on one hand we are preparing for an off-grid living condition as a very possible situation with future sun activity. And then I was thinking of the different meditation experiments where we work as one to alter the future. I was also thinking of the galactic wave . And then I was thinking of how perfect a day it was weather wise and energy wise yesterday and just how grateful I was for this life and these experiences.

I was so enjoying what is was to be an individual just being productive and getting stuff done.. particularly sitting on the mower and mowing 4 acres with the air, the clouds and the beauty all around. It truly was a perfect moment in time and something to relish. I will take these experience back with me to the other side and share with my mates who stayed behind as after all, it is my sense that we are the Davy Crocket souls experiencing life on this earth.

My dilemma had more to do with wondering if I truly wanted to leave, "forever" this dimension and the gifts it offers.