WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US?

anthrovolution · 09-14-2008, 05:29 AM

Look around. We have stopped training cops to be cops. Instead we train them to be soldiers. And we train our soldiers to be cops. They all have the wrong traiing so they don't know how to behave. The number of cases where cops break into the wrong houses, shoot the wrong people, and act like soldiers in a 'war' instead of peace officers is increasing. So I think if we train them as soldiers then all we have to do is identify an 'enemy' and they will just do their thing, whatever they have been trained to do. That 'enemy' could easily be you and me.

THE eXchanger · 09-14-2008, 05:35 AM

many of those ones, you import -- eXport them

TranceAm · 09-14-2008, 05:43 AM

I like exchangers reply and agree that the most hopeful thing to happen is a personal conscience appeal in the men handling the guns before they squeese the trigger..

However.

Having heard (Keep in mind hearsay, and second source peer verification.) that during enlisting, there is a question the potential soldiers have to answer.

The question is (non verbatim) "Would or could you shoot if necessary and ordered Americans?"
The ones answering "No" are stationed in a foreign country, the ones that answer "Yes" are stationed within the US.

This could have been a psy-ops statement to hook a little fear into the population.
Also keep in mind, as the press loses their characteristic of being an American while they wear their press card (Ref: Jesse Ventura Vid posted in another thread.) The American militairy and police could lose it while wearing the uniform and under orders.
And we all remember Ollie North.

Slim · 09-14-2008, 07:05 AM

Because they are trained to do what they are told, like most of the mindless,
they will even turn on their own family.

THEY WILL KILL YOU,
their masters tell them to....

Come on guys, we are on a site where we can speak TRUTH!!!

Something sadly lacking at this time.

Slim.

oxjmaups2005xo · 09-14-2008, 10:36 AM

its a dog eat dog world....

fforest · 09-14-2008, 10:55 AM

Police only know one thing,And that one thing is to follow orders.To do otherwise would be unthinkable...

Police=Order
The rest of mankind=Chaos
The Chaos must be turned into Order by what ever means necessary....
End of story.....

punter2003 · 09-14-2008, 11:27 AM

An interesting thread. Of course they will do what they are told. We all know the power of the uniform , and the power that the person in the uniform feels. You only have to deal with a lesser form of the uniform traffic warden, security guard ect, to hear the phrase "im just following orders". They are conditioned with very crude forms of behaviour control to follow blindly regardless of the human being standing in front of them. We should all be very aware that with any goverments resources they can get there army and police to do anything. Psychology is the perfect weapon, it is undetectable, cheap, and easy.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 12:13 PM

this isn't a valid debate if you have found the road here you should know the answer. the police are more and more your enemy daily. the new wave of police are trained in a more foul manner than the SS. they feel entitled and when people feel entitled they run amok. they feel a vast need to stand above you and show they are above you .

skyking · 09-14-2008, 12:43 PM

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by skyking

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

those 40% percent are the older coffee shop police officer you could carry a conversation with. the new guard is the SS. i live in texas, they come in groups of four and thrive on your fear.

dolphin · 09-15-2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyking

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

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skyking...look at phil schneider's testimony on youtube, david icke, alex jones, etc. THEY ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF UN TROOPS HERE. they brought them here to do the dirty work, bec. in case american troops won't turn on their own, the UN troops will (russians, germans, eastern european, etc.).

and i too don't want to create fear, but i just feel it's a duty to warn people. do you realize this is similar to the time of nazi germany?... if you do nothing to inform people and you know what's going to happen then you are complicit. and i agree, this forum is about TRUTH as unpleasant as that might be.

Oiran · 09-15-2008, 04:44 AM

I agree with your points, Dolphin. IF we reach a point of Martial Law, foreign military will step in to do the "dirty work," if need be.

Also, in reference to SkyKing's point, ("Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area.") I have heard from several in-the-know sources that IF sh*t hits the fan, Los Angeles will be abandoned all together. I was told that LA, Atlanta and New York City have already been deemed, "Abandonment Zones," (I'm sure there are others, but these three I have heard from several independent sources) meaning the military and police will simply leave.... then it will be "every man for himself."

Hopefully, this worst-case-scenario does not unfold, but as we all know, the future is not written in stone.

Morgan · 09-15-2008, 04:52 AM

Something that could indicate an answer to this query is a German film 'Das Experiment' from 2001. A study where a group of men were divided into prisoners and prison guards. Let's just say the people conducting the study lost control of the guards, to put it nicely.

franzBardon · 09-25-2008, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyking

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

you present a logical observation however, you have not taken into consideration that there are ALSO very .. .very large, sophisticated, well trained, and well armed PRIVATIZED FORCES; among the more notible BLACKWATER. the same privatized mercenary group that were/are employed in the middle east AND were present after hurricane katrina hit. what's concerning about blackwater (and other private forces), is that they are NOT obligated to NOR adhere to the US constitutional or military laws (immunization from prosecution...) . it is quite likely blackwater will ALSO be apart of the forces employed IN the US oct.1st or soon there after. of course people need to remain calm vigilant, and well informed. i've provided links below for those unfamiliar with who and what blackwater forces are.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/368.html (quick overview)

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/174.html (very detailed)

TheGhost · 09-26-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_johnson#985907-1

this isn't a valid debate if you have found the road here you should know the answer. the police are more and more your enemy daily. the new wave of police are trained in a more foul manner than the SS. they feel entitled and when people feel entitled they run amok. they feel a vast need to stand above you and show they are above you .

Exactly right, in my opinion.
Also, police are selected based on psychological tests as well as trained using psychological methods.
Police will shoot to kill even when they could subdue someone by shooting them in the leg, for instnce, because they are trained to shoot to kill; they are not trained to wound.
The training is such that the police officer with the gun instinctively follows his training rather than thinking about the individual human being whose life he is about to end.

If any of you have friends or family who are police officers ask them what they would do if they were ever ordered against the people and I bet you they skate around the issue rather than give you a direct answer. The truth is, they will follow orders and, of course, they don't want you to know that in advance.

TranceAm · 09-27-2008, 06:00 PM

Just in a vid with Common Sense about Martial Law.

I am sorry about some shocking words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulfeAH-MWc

He does make a point there, however, it won't be whole towns that will revolt.
It will only be a couple per 1000 that are radicals..

arcora · 09-27-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TranceAm

Just in a vid with Common Sense about Martial Law.

I am sorry about some shocking words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulfeAH-MWc

He does make a point there, however, it won't be whole towns that will revolt.
It will only be a couple per 1000 that are radicals..

Interesting opinion he has.

I disagree with him though. He thinks it is impossible for the govt to enforce it and he is wrong. History has proven it is not only possible but easy.

An old Chinese proverb says, "Kill one to scare a thousand."

09-14-2008, 05:29 AM	#1
anthrovolution Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: az Posts: 36	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Look around. We have stopped training cops to be cops. Instead we train them to be soldiers. And we train our soldiers to be cops. They all have the wrong traiing so they don't know how to behave. The number of cases where cops break into the wrong houses, shoot the wrong people, and act like soldiers in a 'war' instead of peace officers is increasing. So I think if we train them as soldiers then all we have to do is identify an 'enemy' and they will just do their thing, whatever they have been trained to do. That 'enemy' could easily be you and me.

09-14-2008, 05:35 AM	#2
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? many of those ones, you import -- eXport them

09-14-2008, 05:43 AM	#3
TranceAm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 368	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? I like exchangers reply and agree that the most hopeful thing to happen is a personal conscience appeal in the men handling the guns before they squeese the trigger.. However. Having heard (Keep in mind hearsay, and second source peer verification.) that during enlisting, there is a question the potential soldiers have to answer. The question is (non verbatim) "Would or could you shoot if necessary and ordered Americans?" The ones answering "No" are stationed in a foreign country, the ones that answer "Yes" are stationed within the US. This could have been a psy-ops statement to hook a little fear into the population. Also keep in mind, as the press loses their characteristic of being an American while they wear their press card (Ref: Jesse Ventura Vid posted in another thread.) The American militairy and police could lose it while wearing the uniform and under orders. And we all remember Ollie North.

09-14-2008, 07:05 AM	#4
Slim Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 10	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Because they are trained to do what they are told, like most of the mindless, they will even turn on their own family. THEY WILL KILL YOU, their masters tell them to.... Come on guys, we are on a site where we can speak TRUTH!!! Something sadly lacking at this time. Slim.

09-14-2008, 10:36 AM	#5
oxjmaups2005xo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 19	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? its a dog eat dog world....

09-14-2008, 10:55 AM	#6
fforest Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Police only know one thing,And that one thing is to follow orders.To do otherwise would be unthinkable... Police=Order The rest of mankind=Chaos The Chaos must be turned into Order by what ever means necessary.... End of story..... Last edited by fforest; 09-14-2008 at 12:39 PM.

09-14-2008, 11:27 AM	#7
punter2003 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: brighton Posts: 9	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? An interesting thread. Of course they will do what they are told. We all know the power of the uniform , and the power that the person in the uniform feels. You only have to deal with a lesser form of the uniform traffic warden, security guard ect, to hear the phrase "im just following orders". They are conditioned with very crude forms of behaviour control to follow blindly regardless of the human being standing in front of them. We should all be very aware that with any goverments resources they can get there army and police to do anything. Psychology is the perfect weapon, it is undetectable, cheap, and easy.

09-14-2008, 12:13 PM	#8
steve_johnson#985907-1 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? this isn't a valid debate if you have found the road here you should know the answer. the police are more and more your enemy daily. the new wave of police are trained in a more foul manner than the SS. they feel entitled and when people feel entitled they run amok. they feel a vast need to stand above you and show they are above you .

09-14-2008, 12:43 PM	#9
skyking Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 17	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

09-15-2008, 04:44 AM	#12
Oiran Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 57	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? I agree with your points, Dolphin. IF we reach a point of Martial Law, foreign military will step in to do the "dirty work," if need be. Also, in reference to SkyKing's point, ("Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area.") I have heard from several in-the-know sources that IF sh*t hits the fan, Los Angeles will be abandoned all together. I was told that LA, Atlanta and New York City have already been deemed, "Abandonment Zones," (I'm sure there are others, but these three I have heard from several independent sources) meaning the military and police will simply leave.... then it will be "every man for himself." Hopefully, this worst-case-scenario does not unfold, but as we all know, the future is not written in stone.

09-15-2008, 04:52 AM	#13
Morgan Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 107	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Something that could indicate an answer to this query is a German film 'Das Experiment' from 2001. A study where a group of men were divided into prisoners and prison guards. Let's just say the people conducting the study lost control of the guards, to put it nicely.

09-27-2008, 06:00 PM	#16
TranceAm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 368	Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US? Just in a vid with Common Sense about Martial Law. I am sorry about some shocking words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulfeAH-MWc He does make a point there, however, it won't be whole towns that will revolt. It will only be a couple per 1000 that are radicals..