On Emotion

Czymra · 02-09-2009, 05:53 PM

Greetings Avalonians,

I've come to notice again and again that there seems to be a big definition hole within the movements of this forum. This might of course be a lack of wisdom on my own part but it still surprises me that among all the topics presented here this one appears only marginally (usually alien abductions).

What is emotion and how can we be certain about it's authenticity?

It is commonly accepted on these boards that emotion can be influenced by psy-weapons, as they call it, be it from the general electromagnetic smog surrounding us due to appliances or be it directly targeted by radio towers and the like.
As mentioned above, it is also quite common to suppose that extra-terrestrials or inter-dimensional beings can influence our emotion to such a degree that we would literally believe that what was happening to us was 'beneficial' while in reality it is quite the opposite.

I understand that this might be yet another meme planted to take all the danger out of these powerful movements, to implant fear of even feeling, and maybe that is already the core of the problem here. However I would like to hear what you think/feel especially regarding the difference between what one could call daily mood-swings and authentic emotion, a feeling of happiness and fun compared with the bliss of (let's say the Nexus 2012) meditation.

The reason I ask this question is two-fold:
1. My own emotion seems to be locked in both, a balance of stability that lets me do what I 'feel' I need to do, but also a rather narrow spectrum that I allow myself to feel.
2. The general understanding that feelings, or rather reactions, toward stimuli can be programmed and are in fact nothing more than associations.

I think that a major indicator is the amount of 'fun' and feelings promoted in dramatic plays within the media. I've recently come across the statement that before everything else, we have all become feeling addicts, be that feeling sex, eating, fun or anything else that brings us happiness (whether authentic or not doesn't matter here at the moment).
The attitude that was then suggested (by the source of the above statement) was to be more clinical about life, in a sense to cut out the 'pursuit of happiness' and follow what one perceives as one's purpose not being deterred by whatever emotion comes along.
As said before, I believe I am on exactly that course as otherwise I would be a very emotionally caught up person but furthermore because I do honestly believe that a balance is healthy.

I think I can turn in circles with this discussion just in my head, so I'll stop here and let you have your say.

Om Namah Shivaya

Carmen · 02-09-2009, 06:55 PM

Other people could probably explain this in more detail, but from my training, my understanding, and my experience, emotions can be a trap to keep us focused/addicted to this 3D realm. A spiritual master goes beyond emotions, becomes detached from them. Mastership of the emotional body, is to control it yourself. To not be driven by your emotional reactions. To sort of, stand back and observe your emotions first off, then to be able to choose to express or not to express a particular emotion. Enlightenment is an inside job. One learns to master ones self.

Love and Light

Carmen

Czymra · 02-09-2009, 07:59 PM

I think you did express this well and this reflects exactly my point of view. Why is it then that the Nexus meditations are all about 'sending love'?
Also, it's hard to have the emotions but not express them, I think it ended up with more of suppression than control for me up till now.

Delphi · 02-09-2009, 08:01 PM

Emotions make us human don't they? Who and what are we if we can't empathise?

Part of the definition of a psychopath/sociopath is the inability to share someone else's feelings. Individually and collectively we set aside our emotions at our peril.

And I agree with Carmen that it's really important to observe one's feelings. It's not the same as denying or suppressing them. Feel sad, angry, happy, whatever, and be responsible for the feeling and the subsequent action.

And it's getting more and more interesting to observe how emotions are manipulated via the media and how our attention is diverted.

love to all

Czymra · 02-09-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphi

Emotions make us human don't they? Who and what are we if we can't empathise?

Part of the definition of a psychopath/sociopath is the inability to share someone else's feelings. Individually and collectively we set aside our emotions at our peril.

And I agree with Carmen that it's really important to observe one's feelings. It's not the same as denying or suppressing them. Feel sad, angry, happy, whatever, and be responsible for the feeling and the subsequent action.

And it's getting more and more interesting to observe how emotions are manipulated via the media and how our attention is diverted.

love to all

I agree, of course emotions are a vital part of us humans. I wouldn't want to be without it. I've learned to observe my feelings and I believe that most people on this board are no less aware of that necessity and the responsibility of the feelings and its effects, whatever they may be.
The problem is however that observing one's emotions doesn't necessarily mean that one can control what their outcome is. I for one can not hide it if I feel a certain way, and I think that's fine, however I have noticed that less and less emotion surfaces at all.
And this also doesn't mark the difference between the 'real' emotions and the 'programmed' emotions.

Carmen · 02-09-2009, 09:07 PM

Love is not an emotion as we know it in 3D Love is the cohesive force, the binding force of the universe. Its the creative urge of the Gods,which is us.

Your emotions are just fine Czymra, and we do need to express them, not suppress them. Its when they become an addiction, that they are counter-productive to our growth. You must have come across people for instance, who are angry. They will blow their top every now and then, everything goes quiet for awhile, but you know when they are building again, ready to blow. They are hell to be around. Their energy is awful. Thats an addiction, they are junkies of emotion. Thats how they get their 'hit'.

Observing your emotions is the first step to understanding them and then having the ability to choose. Victim people are also junkies. They will spend hours telling people in great detail, all their woes and complaints. They sort of spew it all onto you, and don't take responsibility for what they have created. These addictions rob one of power. It weakens them. People who have their emotions understood, and in check, become powerful, magnetic.

Czymra · 02-09-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmen

Love is not an emotion as we know it in 3D Love is the cohesive force, the binding force of the universe. Its the creative urge of the Gods,which is us.

Your emotions are just fine Czymra, and we do need to express them, not suppress them. Its when they become an addiction, that they are counter-productive to our growth. You must have come across people for instance, who are angry. They will blow their top every now and then, everything goes quiet for awhile, but you know when they are building again, ready to blow. They are hell to be around. Their energy is awful. Thats an addiction, they are junkies of emotion. Thats how they get their 'hit'.

Observing your emotions is the first step to understanding them and then having the ability to choose. Victim people are also junkies. They will spend hours telling people in great detail, all their woes and complaints. They sort of spew it all onto you, and don't take responsibility for what they have created. These addictions rob one of power. It weakens them. People who have their emotions understood, and in check, become powerful, magnetic.

I see the addiction part and I guess I'm beyond that. However, you've just built a model of emotion that I only guessed. If I may interpret that, there is a range of emotions that people are programmed by that falls into the category of whatever fits each individual. People then become attached to those feelings and get their 'hit' as you say.
But beyond that, there is Love? Love is beyond those 'hits'? Surely then fear is also beyond that?
Is it just the purity of those two extreme emotions that make them stand away from the other mess of emotions, building them so to speak, or do they stand on a completely different level?

deb003 · 02-09-2009, 09:51 PM

I started to use the Sedona Method with emotions.

it's doing miracles for me and the results are instant.

Carmen · 02-09-2009, 09:53 PM

Love beyond 3D is not dualistic. It does not have an opposite. The Love of the Creator is beyond all opposites. It includes all opposites. It is one. The Love, the Lifeforce of the Creator, permeates all.

Love and Light

Carmen

Czymra · 02-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Okay, I may be going down the wrong route with building intellectual models about this, but if we say that fear pins us down and love overcomes it, how can love have no opposite? This is all just a matter of 'high vibration' and 'low vibration' isn't it?

Beautiful Avatar by the way.

deb003, what's the Sedona Method?

tribe of light · 02-09-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

fear pins us down and love overcomes it, how can love have no opposite? This is all just a matter of 'high vibration' and 'low vibration' isn't it?

Love is called the Son to the Father-Mother principle of Creation because the derivative of Oneness is oneness expressed.

Expressed oneness on all levels regardless of vibratory frequency is what we call Love.

Fear is not the opposite of love. Fear does not exist. Fear is the derivative of expressed duality. Fear has its root in ignorance, which is the erroneous belief in self and other which has its root in the great illusion.

When one drops the duality, there are no aliens to abduct you nor psy-ops to mess with any emotion.

The closure of the human drama from the point of view of the soul is when the individual soul ceases to exist in the same manner a glass of water poured into the ocean ceases to be a separate watery essence. The will of the spiritual self is absorbed in the greater Will which is Love and the individual "astral/emotional body" is shattered and replaced by Love Unconditional...

In terms of frequencies or vibrations, this is when the individual transcends the level of mentality, even rarified abstract mentality and pierces the plane of Intuition or Buddhi, which is also the Cosmic counterpart to the individual's emotional body. The Cosmic "emotional body" is radiant Love.

Dualistic behavior is the portal through which an individual is accosted by creepy-crawlies. Remaining positive and not negative (and i mean this more than simple good/bad duality) is the great protector from being harassed on subtle levels.

When the arrows of darkness are shot at the aura of one who remains enveloped in the Great Intuition, the arrows touch the aura of the contemplative One and are transmuted into love for naught exists but It.

Om Namah Shivaya
See the Nataraja of Shiva upon Maya - the illusion.

In the Hindu trinity, Siva is the destroyer/transformer... Thus...
AUM, Adoration to the Will of God or as christians are apt to say Thy Will be done Lord. It is at this point the soul undergoes the great turning away and all karmic delusion ceases. The jiva becomes jivamukta and is thus sweetened by the taste of the funeral pyre. All delusion is burnt up in the Great Contemplation of Oneness... which is Love.

Rareheart · 02-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Awesome topic...emotions.
The questions asked here reveal much about the "askers".
To ponder emotions is to be truely 'alive'...I think.

As I have lived and learned, I have found that simply being aware of which emotions are 'motivating me' at any given moment empowers me.
It's an awareness that requires practice...like any skill...and can be "mastered" as such.

Each apparent answer begs new questions.

Excellent discussion folks.
I particularly like this statement:

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The Love of the Creator is beyond all opposites. It includes all opposites. It is one.

very in-line with the Law of One and the Ra material...imho.

tone3jaguar · 02-10-2009, 12:14 AM

The concept of emotions are an artifact of our 3rd density society. They are a paradigm that our ego creates in order to save itself from its own demise.

The feelings of fear, lust, anxiety, stress, anger, and impathy are all results of our ego transforming low vibrations into different forms in an effort to externalize them.

The feelings of love, joy, happiness, and exstacy are also a result of our egos effort to externalize these emotions.

It is a natural part of our experience here in 3rd density to experience these emotions through the veils our egos throw up. It is part of our souls progression to learn that all of these emotions are illusions eminating from the ego. Once we have accepted this as our new learned paradigm then we can begin to move into a place where we only recognize these emotions as indicators that we still have work to do on our conscoiusness.

Once we have successfully passed this phase we are able to move into a place of only ever feeling the high vibrations of oneness with source energy. This is what the ascension process is all about.

The transformation from our 3rd density consiousness to 4th density consciousness is what I have described above. Individuals have in the past been able to achive this without the forced learning curve we are all experiencing now. The difference being that it usually takes these people multiple lifetimes to achive this. The end result of this scenario would be the reincarnated ascended masters of the different faiths from around the world.

Now instead of multiple lifetimes of learning, we are on an accelerated program. Rather than sorting through the subconscious core beliefs of our egos, these emotions are spontaniously being purged from our consciousness. This is a frightening and trying experience. Multiple lifetimes of learning squeezed into a small 4 year time frame. Its a bitch, but it has the reward of ascension at the end of it.

futureyes · 02-10-2009, 01:05 AM

hey cyzmra ... great topic ...

my input on emotions is rather simplistic ... from my experiences ... emotions only exist in 3d ... they are not of higher realms ... their ceiling is within this illusion ... they get checked at the door and remain where we maintain them ... here in this game ...

not a bad thing ... all part in parcel to this human experience we call life ...

rather than allowing emotions to enhance our lives ... what it seems is that we have given them permission to govern our experiences here ... we have forgotten we can create them and release them ... at will ... experience them for the moment which we desire them to be experienced ... then let them go ...

we've forgotten we have the ability and the power to do so ... even forgot how to do so ... sometimes the non-beneficial results to this is that we feel our emotions are the creators of our own selves ... but really ... we are the creators of our emotions ...

from my expriences ... emotions do not exist in higher realms ... not love and not fear ... it just is and we just are ...

neutral ... indifferent ...

it is our 3d "thinking" ... that we believe love and fear must exist ... for if it does not ... then who are we ... what will give us pleasure and what will warn us of danger ... how can our lives then be fulfilling ...

in higher dimensions ... fulfillment is the zero point of more and of less ... of good and of evil ... of love and of fear ...

fulfillment is indifference ... it is neutral ...

and our minds will ask ... but that's not enough ... i fear it cannot be enough to sustain me ... to fulfill me ... not in the ways i know of in this illusion ...

precisely ... fulfillment in higher realms is not fulfillment in this illusion ...

fulfillment in higher realms does not allow for logic in 3d and vice versa ... from within this illusion we cannot compute that this may be ... that emotions of love and fear are not beneficial in higher dimensions ...

experiencing life in higher dimensions ... looking into the illusion ... it cannot be felt why emotions exist ...

it makes no logic whatsoever from the perspective from higher realms that we allow such created states to prolong our experiences such as pain and suffering ... that we allow our selves to cycle in these states ... over and over ...

it just doesn't make sense ... very often it is so perplexing to me ... that when i am back in illusion ... i find myself so saddened momentarily ... how we have given our power of creativeness to emotions ... to be held by its grasp ... to have forgotten how to allow emotion ... as an enhancement to this experience ... to flow freely ...

there is fulfillment in just being ... no emotions ... no drama ... no excess and no absence ...

there is fulfillment in neutral ... there is unconditional love ... but this love is not as we know it to be in this illusion ...

this love is not love really ... not as we know it ... it is unconditional fulfillment ... it is infinite ... it allows us to create whatever we feel to create in the moment ... and release it as such as well ...

i have never experienced anything more profound as fulfillment in just being ... can't really explain it ... wish i could ... wish i could bottle it ... one bottle for every individual on this planet ... to just experience one taste of what is real ...

no drama ... no emotions ...

only fulfillment ... of being ...

THE eXchanger · 02-10-2009, 06:01 AM

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/n...ote=1&p=111111

-- is on this thread

BROOK · 02-10-2009, 06:27 AM

I believe emotion is one of the things we came here to experience. Be it good or bad...the experience of emotion is essential to learning and creating.

Czymra · 02-10-2009, 09:57 AM

Okay, so we have a bunch of people here now that say "Hey it makes us what we are." and another group that says "Forget those puny feelings, they are of the lowly 3D world.'
Interesting.
Furthermore, I solemnly request this "Send Love" stuff to be renamed into 'be oneness', how else are people like me to figure what you actually mean? Okay fear is an illusion, I understand that, but if you call the oneness love, no wonder someone will mistake it for emotion inside the typical paradigm. Who thought this up?
I suppose that oneness is the same as emptiness then?

Furthermore, if I manage to tune into the singularity realm, what am I looking for? Everybody that returns from meditations or vision goes on about 'how they felt' and 'what they saw'.
How can you see or feel something 'up there' in 3D concepts that should be long since overcome by then? I don't get it.
What drives our essence to do what it does? What is the purpose? Until now I came to believe that I have desires that are of a higher standard than those that simply give me short-time satisfaction. I'm sure now those desires are easily categorised as 'lowly emotions' as well.
If so, do you oneness people just sit and be. Is that the core of Buddahood?

Anchor · 02-10-2009, 11:19 AM

Carmen already pointed out that Love (as in Love and Light) is not an emotion, so this post could be redundant, but I wanted to add some thoughts anyway.

When you think of love, don't think of romantic love which is definitely (at least to begin with) rooted within emotion - not that there is anything wrong with this form of love! Also, this Love is not the same as think of the love that a parent has for a child and vice-versa, which is more about unconditional acceptance, harmony and appreciation. In both these scenarios the Love (as in Love and Light) does however play its part owing to the dynamics of the relationships and exchange of energy and nurturing. A parent will send Love and Light to a child and a lover will do the same with their partner.

To find and grasp the concept of "Love" as meant in phrases like "Sending love and light", or "I greet you in the love and in the light of the one infinite creator", Think of the intent that impels creation, that unconditional force that creates and nurtures within the one.

Light to me, often appears as love made manifest at its highest order. Love and light go together as they are the "becoming" of the infinite intelligent energy of creation. So love accompanies creative intent, Light is the thing or mode of energy that becomes manifest according to intent. Infinite intelligent energy is the multi-dimensional substance that realizes/responds to the actions of love and light. This Love and Light are the two things which both convey intent and the means to create/manifest that intent out of the infinite energy of the one.

Therefore, Light is a thing more than love is, love is more of an intent, but they are both timeless and therefore hard to accurately express in 3D terms.

I hope this makes sense, it is barely making sense to me. I think I might have overstretched myself in trying to explain my idea, but lets see if this makes sense to anyone.

Here is a quote from the law of one series that seems massively relevant to me:

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(27.14) Questioner: I will make a statement that I have extracted from the physics of Dewey Larson which may or may not be close to what we are trying to explain. Larson says that all is motion which we can take as vibration, and that vibration is pure vibration and is not physical in any way or in any form or density, and the first product of that vibration is what we call the photon or particle of light. I am trying to make an analogy between this physical solution and the concept of love and light. Is this close to the concept of Love creating light?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct

A..

[some of this post has been written intuitively - usual warning and disclaimer applies - it could all be wrong!]

Czymra · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

See it's interesting to read this as I was well aware of the fact that the love that we talk about is unconditional, but NOT that it is outside of the spectrum of 'normal feelings' as a consequence of that. After all, I can also imagine unconditional hate.
The question is then only how unconditional anything can be attached to anybody/thing, as it would imply a condition.

On the risk of being facetious and ignorant, I do still think that 'love' is a wrongly applied word here. Even 'acceptance' would be closer, based on my current understanding.

But okay, this is probably an ever evolving concept that shouldn't even be defined by a word.

Excuse my being so blatant, but I'm trying to get this to the core here without having too much of a wish-wash argumentation.

Carmen · 02-10-2009, 05:15 PM

Its difficult to explain the taste of honey, one just has to experience it. No amount of intellect with explain the direct experience

Czymra · 02-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

Its difficult to explain the taste of honey, one just has to experience it. No amount of intellect with explain the direct experience

What a frustrating answer that is.

Rareheart · 02-10-2009, 11:58 PM

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

Quote:

But okay, this is probably an ever evolving concept that shouldn't even be defined by a word.

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.

That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

Czymra · 02-11-2009, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rareheart

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.

That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

I knew all my life that words are so shallow, and I hate to think that I am 'analytical'.... but as you say, this is how we communicate... so far. At least it's good to know that I might have been on the wrong road.
Thanks everybody.

It still doesn't explain why meditators describe 3D things, why we dream 3D things... is that the only way we can make sense of it?

Rareheart · 02-11-2009, 12:10 AM

there is no wrong road....each path leads you to now.

futureyes · 02-11-2009, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rareheart

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

rareheart ... your words uplifted my heart beat ...

true understanding IS only confused by words ...

true resonance is felt of the heart ... it just IS ...

"trying" understanding is of the mind ... of words that cannot contain the similar meaning resonated as truth of the heart ... like apples and oranges ...

i believe i've confused even more ...

i get excited with the simplest things ... usually having to do with truth ...

02-09-2009, 05:53 PM	#1
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	On Emotion Greetings Avalonians, I've come to notice again and again that there seems to be a big definition hole within the movements of this forum. This might of course be a lack of wisdom on my own part but it still surprises me that among all the topics presented here this one appears only marginally (usually alien abductions). What is emotion and how can we be certain about it's authenticity? It is commonly accepted on these boards that emotion can be influenced by psy-weapons, as they call it, be it from the general electromagnetic smog surrounding us due to appliances or be it directly targeted by radio towers and the like. As mentioned above, it is also quite common to suppose that extra-terrestrials or inter-dimensional beings can influence our emotion to such a degree that we would literally believe that what was happening to us was 'beneficial' while in reality it is quite the opposite. I understand that this might be yet another meme planted to take all the danger out of these powerful movements, to implant fear of even feeling, and maybe that is already the core of the problem here. However I would like to hear what you think/feel especially regarding the difference between what one could call daily mood-swings and authentic emotion, a feeling of happiness and fun compared with the bliss of (let's say the Nexus 2012) meditation. The reason I ask this question is two-fold: 1. My own emotion seems to be locked in both, a balance of stability that lets me do what I 'feel' I need to do, but also a rather narrow spectrum that I allow myself to feel. 2. The general understanding that feelings, or rather reactions, toward stimuli can be programmed and are in fact nothing more than associations. I think that a major indicator is the amount of 'fun' and feelings promoted in dramatic plays within the media. I've recently come across the statement that before everything else, we have all become feeling addicts, be that feeling sex, eating, fun or anything else that brings us happiness (whether authentic or not doesn't matter here at the moment). The attitude that was then suggested (by the source of the above statement) was to be more clinical about life, in a sense to cut out the 'pursuit of happiness' and follow what one perceives as one's purpose not being deterred by whatever emotion comes along. As said before, I believe I am on exactly that course as otherwise I would be a very emotionally caught up person but furthermore because I do honestly believe that a balance is healthy. I think I can turn in circles with this discussion just in my head, so I'll stop here and let you have your say. Om Namah Shivaya

02-09-2009, 06:55 PM	#2
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: On Emotion Other people could probably explain this in more detail, but from my training, my understanding, and my experience, emotions can be a trap to keep us focused/addicted to this 3D realm. A spiritual master goes beyond emotions, becomes detached from them. Mastership of the emotional body, is to control it yourself. To not be driven by your emotional reactions. To sort of, stand back and observe your emotions first off, then to be able to choose to express or not to express a particular emotion. Enlightenment is an inside job. One learns to master ones self. Love and Light Carmen

02-09-2009, 07:59 PM	#3
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: On Emotion I think you did express this well and this reflects exactly my point of view. Why is it then that the Nexus meditations are all about 'sending love'? Also, it's hard to have the emotions but not express them, I think it ended up with more of suppression than control for me up till now.

02-09-2009, 08:01 PM	#4
Delphi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 126	Re: On Emotion Emotions make us human don't they? Who and what are we if we can't empathise? Part of the definition of a psychopath/sociopath is the inability to share someone else's feelings. Individually and collectively we set aside our emotions at our peril. And I agree with Carmen that it's really important to observe one's feelings. It's not the same as denying or suppressing them. Feel sad, angry, happy, whatever, and be responsible for the feeling and the subsequent action. And it's getting more and more interesting to observe how emotions are manipulated via the media and how our attention is diverted. love to all

02-09-2009, 09:07 PM	#6
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: On Emotion Love is not an emotion as we know it in 3D Love is the cohesive force, the binding force of the universe. Its the creative urge of the Gods,which is us. Your emotions are just fine Czymra, and we do need to express them, not suppress them. Its when they become an addiction, that they are counter-productive to our growth. You must have come across people for instance, who are angry. They will blow their top every now and then, everything goes quiet for awhile, but you know when they are building again, ready to blow. They are hell to be around. Their energy is awful. Thats an addiction, they are junkies of emotion. Thats how they get their 'hit'. Observing your emotions is the first step to understanding them and then having the ability to choose. Victim people are also junkies. They will spend hours telling people in great detail, all their woes and complaints. They sort of spew it all onto you, and don't take responsibility for what they have created. These addictions rob one of power. It weakens them. People who have their emotions understood, and in check, become powerful, magnetic.

02-09-2009, 09:51 PM	#8
deb003 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 297	Re: On Emotion I started to use the Sedona Method with emotions. it's doing miracles for me and the results are instant.

02-09-2009, 09:53 PM	#9
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: On Emotion Love beyond 3D is not dualistic. It does not have an opposite. The Love of the Creator is beyond all opposites. It includes all opposites. It is one. The Love, the Lifeforce of the Creator, permeates all. Love and Light Carmen

02-09-2009, 10:18 PM	#10
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: On Emotion Okay, I may be going down the wrong route with building intellectual models about this, but if we say that fear pins us down and love overcomes it, how can love have no opposite? This is all just a matter of 'high vibration' and 'low vibration' isn't it? Beautiful Avatar by the way. deb003, what's the Sedona Method?

02-10-2009, 12:14 AM	#13
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: On Emotion The concept of emotions are an artifact of our 3rd density society. They are a paradigm that our ego creates in order to save itself from its own demise. The feelings of fear, lust, anxiety, stress, anger, and impathy are all results of our ego transforming low vibrations into different forms in an effort to externalize them. The feelings of love, joy, happiness, and exstacy are also a result of our egos effort to externalize these emotions. It is a natural part of our experience here in 3rd density to experience these emotions through the veils our egos throw up. It is part of our souls progression to learn that all of these emotions are illusions eminating from the ego. Once we have accepted this as our new learned paradigm then we can begin to move into a place where we only recognize these emotions as indicators that we still have work to do on our conscoiusness. Once we have successfully passed this phase we are able to move into a place of only ever feeling the high vibrations of oneness with source energy. This is what the ascension process is all about. The transformation from our 3rd density consiousness to 4th density consciousness is what I have described above. Individuals have in the past been able to achive this without the forced learning curve we are all experiencing now. The difference being that it usually takes these people multiple lifetimes to achive this. The end result of this scenario would be the reincarnated ascended masters of the different faiths from around the world. Now instead of multiple lifetimes of learning, we are on an accelerated program. Rather than sorting through the subconscious core beliefs of our egos, these emotions are spontaniously being purged from our consciousness. This is a frightening and trying experience. Multiple lifetimes of learning squeezed into a small 4 year time frame. Its a bitch, but it has the reward of ascension at the end of it.

02-10-2009, 01:05 AM	#14
futureyes Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: heart central Posts: 798	Re: On Emotion hey cyzmra ... great topic ... my input on emotions is rather simplistic ... from my experiences ... emotions only exist in 3d ... they are not of higher realms ... their ceiling is within this illusion ... they get checked at the door and remain where we maintain them ... here in this game ... not a bad thing ... all part in parcel to this human experience we call life ... rather than allowing emotions to enhance our lives ... what it seems is that we have given them permission to govern our experiences here ... we have forgotten we can create them and release them ... at will ... experience them for the moment which we desire them to be experienced ... then let them go ... we've forgotten we have the ability and the power to do so ... even forgot how to do so ... sometimes the non-beneficial results to this is that we feel our emotions are the creators of our own selves ... but really ... we are the creators of our emotions ... from my expriences ... emotions do not exist in higher realms ... not love and not fear ... it just is and we just are ... neutral ... indifferent ... it is our 3d "thinking" ... that we believe love and fear must exist ... for if it does not ... then who are we ... what will give us pleasure and what will warn us of danger ... how can our lives then be fulfilling ... in higher dimensions ... fulfillment is the zero point of more and of less ... of good and of evil ... of love and of fear ... fulfillment is indifference ... it is neutral ... and our minds will ask ... but that's not enough ... i fear it cannot be enough to sustain me ... to fulfill me ... not in the ways i know of in this illusion ... precisely ... fulfillment in higher realms is not fulfillment in this illusion ... fulfillment in higher realms does not allow for logic in 3d and vice versa ... from within this illusion we cannot compute that this may be ... that emotions of love and fear are not beneficial in higher dimensions ... experiencing life in higher dimensions ... looking into the illusion ... it cannot be felt why emotions exist ... it makes no logic whatsoever from the perspective from higher realms that we allow such created states to prolong our experiences such as pain and suffering ... that we allow our selves to cycle in these states ... over and over ... it just doesn't make sense ... very often it is so perplexing to me ... that when i am back in illusion ... i find myself so saddened momentarily ... how we have given our power of creativeness to emotions ... to be held by its grasp ... to have forgotten how to allow emotion ... as an enhancement to this experience ... to flow freely ... there is fulfillment in just being ... no emotions ... no drama ... no excess and no absence ... there is fulfillment in neutral ... there is unconditional love ... but this love is not as we know it to be in this illusion ... this love is not love really ... not as we know it ... it is unconditional fulfillment ... it is infinite ... it allows us to create whatever we feel to create in the moment ... and release it as such as well ... i have never experienced anything more profound as fulfillment in just being ... can't really explain it ... wish i could ... wish i could bottle it ... one bottle for every individual on this planet ... to just experience one taste of what is real ... no drama ... no emotions ... only fulfillment ... of being ...

02-10-2009, 06:01 AM	#15
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: On Emotion http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/n...ote=1&p=111111 -- is on this thread

02-10-2009, 06:27 AM	#16
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: On Emotion I believe emotion is one of the things we came here to experience. Be it good or bad...the experience of emotion is essential to learning and creating.

02-10-2009, 09:57 AM	#17
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: On Emotion Okay, so we have a bunch of people here now that say "Hey it makes us what we are." and another group that says "Forget those puny feelings, they are of the lowly 3D world.' Interesting. Furthermore, I solemnly request this "Send Love" stuff to be renamed into 'be oneness', how else are people like me to figure what you actually mean? Okay fear is an illusion, I understand that, but if you call the oneness love, no wonder someone will mistake it for emotion inside the typical paradigm. Who thought this up? I suppose that oneness is the same as emptiness then? Furthermore, if I manage to tune into the singularity realm, what am I looking for? Everybody that returns from meditations or vision goes on about 'how they felt' and 'what they saw'. How can you see or feel something 'up there' in 3D concepts that should be long since overcome by then? I don't get it. What drives our essence to do what it does? What is the purpose? Until now I came to believe that I have desires that are of a higher standard than those that simply give me short-time satisfaction. I'm sure now those desires are easily categorised as 'lowly emotions' as well. If so, do you oneness people just sit and be. Is that the core of Buddahood?

02-10-2009, 04:53 PM	#19
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: On Emotion See it's interesting to read this as I was well aware of the fact that the love that we talk about is unconditional, but NOT that it is outside of the spectrum of 'normal feelings' as a consequence of that. After all, I can also imagine unconditional hate. The question is then only how unconditional anything can be attached to anybody/thing, as it would imply a condition. On the risk of being facetious and ignorant, I do still think that 'love' is a wrongly applied word here. Even 'acceptance' would be closer, based on my current understanding. But okay, this is probably an ever evolving concept that shouldn't even be defined by a word. Excuse my being so blatant, but I'm trying to get this to the core here without having too much of a wish-wash argumentation.

02-10-2009, 05:15 PM	#20
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: On Emotion Its difficult to explain the taste of honey, one just has to experience it. No amount of intellect with explain the direct experience

02-11-2009, 12:10 AM	#24
Rareheart Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SE Coast, US Posts: 195	Re: On Emotion there is no wrong road....each path leads you to now.