What to do With the U.S. Dollar?

sloper · 09-14-2008, 10:35 PM

Don't forget Swiss government bonds folks. Not much yield but safe and reliable to hold savings.

QUESTINY · 09-14-2008, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sloper

Don't forget Swiss government bonds folks. Not much yield but safe and reliable to hold savings.

Doesn't the Swiss back their currency with 30% gold?

Occum's Butter Knife · 09-15-2008, 12:46 AM

I would like to share some resources I have used to stock up on food and water supplies.

I use thereadystore.com for much of my supplies.

I have used bulliondirect.com for gold and silver.

You all need to be able to heat the home in winter if necessay.

I have also been looking at portable solar cell systems that run all types of portable electronic devices. This would provide some small level of electic capacity since I no not own a generator.

Also Keep about 3 weeks of gasoline on hand as Hurricane Ike has demonstrated.

Let's keep the ideas comming!!

Kris Riley · 09-15-2008, 01:09 AM

Thanks bluestix for your reply. Good info there for everyone. Important to invest in heirloom seeds so to harvest the seeds again and again. We're presently shacking up with our grandparents who have been teaching us canning and gardening. Plus not to mention the stories they can tell us about living without all the stuff we do today. It's been good to connect with them. I knew the day would come when I'd be taking care of grandparents and parents, and I'm honored to be there for them. Keep the info coming. Thanks for the response to this thread. It's definitly giving me some understanding and direction. Peace

To Occum's Butter Knife, good post. Good info.

Mizar · 09-15-2008, 01:23 AM

Kris, you are way ahead of the pack, your canned goods will be worth their weight in Silver and Gold real soon, your grandparents have more knowledge that they have not told you yet, be sure to get all wisdom b4 they are gone.
M

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 12:48 PM

See Ya Kris.

Kris Riley · 09-15-2008, 01:20 PM

Ok troopgear, why would one want to buy 1oz bars instead of coins? Another thing. You are sounding hostile. Is it because people are trying the best they can to share what they know? I think if you have an expert knowledge, then it is greatly appreciated. You should start a thread and give some advise. That is what a lot of good people here are looking for right now and if you could share and be patient with us who know very little about this process, that would be swell.

bodzoyfa · 09-15-2008, 10:33 PM

Hi to all, and I appreciate the input from everyone participating in this thread. But I have perhaps a very idealistic intuition about this whole precious metals/save my worth scenario concerning the impending collapse of the American dollar. When yet another bank collapses and the stock market continues to crumble, isnt that one step closer for all of us to freedom? Isnt the love of money and the mediumship is provides to aqcuire power the reason we are in this mess to begin with? The Federal Reserve is a fraud, our debt based society is set up to keep us enslaved. So I submit to you all (and this has been stated earlier in this thread), be more concerned about your relationships with the people you love, get as prepared as your current financial situation will allow and continue to put out as much positivity into the universe as possible. It seems to me that the majority of us agree that the even though we may have the Amero for a short while, that market will crash as well and then we are on to the RFID chip. So what is your gold/silver/platinum/palladium worth then? It is my humble opinion that we welcome the crash of our economy and find the goodness in it. I'm done with the rat race we have all been programmed to believe in. You know, the one where how much money you have dictates your class in society, how many "friends" you have, whether or not you get floor seats to a Lakers game, and quality of health care/education you and your family gets. Pardon my explicit passion but, **** THAT!

I realize this may rub people the wrong way and you may think that I am living in the clouds, but like Alex Colliers Andromedan friends asked him: "Why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born?" Think about it...

************************************************** ***
This post has been moderated because inappropriate language has been used.
************************************************** ***

Stayin' Alive · 09-16-2008, 12:38 AM

Top Gear. What are your thoughts about the different options that a person has if they currently have an IRA invested completley in Gold coins that are being stored by a financial institution? The person could take delivery on the coins, but pay a big penalty for early withdrawal. The person could leave the IRA alone, hoping that the financial system won't really collapse or that they would still be able to get delivery on the coins once it became completely obvious that things were collapsing. Do you know of any other options? What do think the odds are that the economy will start to collapse very soon and that the government finances will even collapse next year? What do you think of what is being said in the following link?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAAWbTcGMA

troopgear · 09-16-2008, 12:49 AM

Tell you what, I will send you a PM sometime tonight....

Best Regards

09-16-2008, 05:49 AM

Hi, I'm interested in any advice you have about what to do with IRA/401K investments in dollars in funds and bonds held in accounts run by fund or insurance companies (think Fidelity, Oppenheimer, Ameriprise) rather than conventional banks. Also, can you elaborate on the basis of your experience? I'm very curious; sounds lengthy. In the black hole of decent financial advice from conventional sources, I'm tempted to take advice from strangers. Tell me why I should from you.

troopgear · 09-16-2008, 01:24 PM

So, you have address that to me, just got your PM,.....
Not really in the mood today, and it looks like your a blank slate on any info.
So you just joined, Now....don't mean to make waves..... but this does
sound like a bate trailer by the S.E.C...... So, If you want to know, PM
my with your personal E-mail address..... and I will help you... on advice....
Just want to see if your real.... and yes I will have question first for you......

Best Regards and have a good Day!!!!

TAXMASTER · 09-17-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stayin' Alive

Top Gear. What are your thoughts about the different options that a person has if they currently have an IRA invested completley in Gold coins that are being stored by a financial institution? The person could take delivery on the coins, but pay a big penalty for early withdrawal. The person could leave the IRA alone, hoping that the financial system won't really collapse or that they would still be able to get delivery on the coins once it became completely obvious that things were collapsing. Do you know of any other options? What do think the odds are that the economy will start to collapse very soon and that the government finances will even collapse next year? What do you think of what is being said in the following link?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAAWbTcGMA

I researched the information and found no credence to what is said was discussed at that meeting. Everyone broadcasting this is quoting an australian newspaper "Australia.TO" on the web. They did have an article about the secret session on March 25, however they state in the article that (they previously stated the term conspiracy theorists are speculating as to what was actually discussed) "theorists state that ....... (each point that was brought up)"

In other words this newspaper made a statement about what some un-named conspiracy theorist said was talked about. Every one else then picks up on it and says that it was reported in the Australian newspaper and there you have it.....just BS. There were no names, no sources, no names of any congressmen that came forward and before you know it, this is passed around as truth.

This is why I started looking in project camelot because they do remarkable research and not the same old crap that you find elsewhere.

As a CPA and a securities broker, I will be more than happy to give others my viewpoints on the economy by emailing me at tomjeffers@verizon.net.

Namaste

QUESTINY · 09-15-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troopgear

OK! People.... First there is just crap info here.... Most of you don't even have the
first clue about money and how it flow thought our banking system & markets...

1. IF YOU DON"T TRADE CURRENCIES, DON'T TALK OUT YOUR ASS !!!!!!!!
Quit watching tv and making your self an expert.... very BAD advice....
2. If you want GOLD.... YOU BUY ONE Once gold bars!!!!! NOT coins
3. If you want Silver..... You Buy One Once silver bars!!!!!! NOT coins
4. Now if you have a 401k and want Hard Gold, E-mail me and I will tell you
how to do it....
5. If you don't know about the FX market, Just stick with the US dollar, no disrespect
to you, but unless you have more than $750,000.000 USD you will never know
the difference in your buy power against any currency.
6. Oh and for those...... Yes, I trade Gold,oil,and Mostly Currencies.

Best Regards to you Sir.. good luck!!

1 oz Gold Bars and 1 oz Gold coins still have the same amount of Gold in them. They also cost the same. The point is that you hold physical.

You must be kidding. Why would you be in the Forex market? This is still paper. Like we have been saying if you don't hold it you don't own it. You are still assuming that fiat currency is the way to go. And how are you going to pull your money out of your Forex account if their is a lockup in the system? You're still thinking it is going to be business as usual. I'll tell you what you keep playing in the casino and I'll use my money to protect my friends and family and take responsibility for my money and not trust it with a brokerage account or bank. Being that they have been soooooo good with our money.

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 02:26 PM

It's over!!!!!!!!!!!! We got married

TAXMASTER · 09-15-2008, 08:06 PM

I am sorry but I disagree with silver and gold bars.
i think old american coins from pre 1964 are the safest bet. there are a lot of fraudulent gold and silver bars and as price escalates, there will be more that pop up. people are familiar with our silver coins and there are no fakes on the market in any significant numbers. people will trust them plus they are still valid currency in the us.

FYI I am a cpa, a securities dealer and a futures trader myself. I trade in gold, silver, currencies, and oil.

Namaste'

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 08:16 PM

Nice to see ya !!!!

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 08:27 PM

Cheers

TAXMASTER · 09-15-2008, 08:18 PM

i just bought 1000 morgan silver dollars at under $15 each. this is a premium over silver however i still think its worth it. i got mine from blue moon coins. they have a lot of silver and gold coins in stock. you can still get plenty of silver coins on ebay. the best place is your local coin shop if they have the supply. i live in a city of 60 thousand people and cannot get it locally.

Namaste'

bodzoyfa · 09-15-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troopgear

OH!!! Sweet Heart, I don't play the casino. I OWN THE CASINO!!!!, PROBABLY THE
WHOLE STIP!!!!!!! Now to explain that to you, I would have to get some crayons and
coloring books for you.... and judging from your password porn pic of you. I would
say I know about the FX market long before you knew what MONEY really is .......
PAPER!!!!!

Now, tell me exactly what KIND of paper it is...... OOOPPP!!!!
YOU DON"T KNOW!!!

Currency are NEVER FLAT!!!!! they trade at 1/1000th of a cent....
OH Wait....... YOU Knew THAT!!!

Just keep playing Monopoly, D&D version with be out soon!!!!

Thank-you HONEY!!!

P.S. I have been blessed with my talent and have already taken care of my Family and Friends!!!!

Troop,
I appreciate your passion during this diabolical time, but you might consider respecting what others have to say a little more because unless you are in the top of the Illuminati pyramid you are merely guessing as to what is the correct move as we all are. Therefore, you are no more well infomed than anyone else in this forum. Yes, you may know the history of money better than anyone in here, but you may fail to realize that your sources of "history" are provided and validated by intellectual prostitutes that have an agenda to tend to. The only thing that is consistent is change. Therefore, you are in no position to accuse anyone of "talking out of their ass".

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 10:59 PM

Tell you what..... I didn't learn my info from "cut and paste" or YOUTUBE....
I learned it FIRST Hand..... So please don't preach to me about hist.....
I'm only here to help those who want it. not to pick and choose what they
think...... A Spade is a Spade.... you read or watch something as if it is law.... off
the internet..... So that is what it all stem from today.... so keep your opinion
to yourself.... its over....

09-15-2008, 11:07 PM

I totally agree with Bodzoyfa and appreciate his opinion; We need to look at money as just a vast ice-burg in the way of our future ocean of freedom. If you keep focusing on the big pink elephant in the air (i.e. Money) then you might become distracted from the real purpose of our existence. Good luck in your perspectives and their following actions. Thanks again Bodzoyfa for your uplifting word. It's nice to know I'm not the only soul over in this neck of the woods that is idealistic about life, haha. Peace and Happiness. Adios : )

Kris Riley · 09-15-2008, 11:35 PM

As a man that has mouths to feed and tending to land and finances, one like myself is asking the question about the dollar in order to get a better grasp on how to preserve time and energy expended, in a way that will float my family. I too feel the need for freedom from the system of enslavement that we have been entrenched in. The way that I see it, is to take the best good information that is available and weigh it inside oneself to get a feeling if its the right thing to do. When I think of gold, I think of something that I've never owned in my life and it's exciting to think of holding some in my hands for a while in this life. That may sound selfish, but it sounds fun to me. I know you can't eat it or breath it, but why not have fun with your money if you have some. If not, big deal. Without it, we're still capable of creating reality instantaneously and why not enjoy your reality. Enslavement is a state of mind. If you think you have to work at a lame job, then you probably do. If you think you need to be somewhere else, then you can be. Knowone is looking out for you except you. We create our every moment and lets start enjoying a little more. Death is inevitable for now, so get used to the scenario and live a little. Peace my friends.

Dantheman62 · 09-15-2008, 11:29 PM

Boy your full of hot air! must be from new york. I'm talking to you troop! Hey Kris, don't let troopgear get you down! PEACE!

troopgear · 09-15-2008, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Boy your full of hot air! must be from new york. I'm talking to you troop! Hey Kris, don't let troopgear get you down! PEACE!

I think your PIC says it all..... Mindless

09-14-2008, 10:35 PM	#1
sloper Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 12	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Don't forget Swiss government bonds folks. Not much yield but safe and reliable to hold savings.

09-15-2008, 12:46 AM	#3
Occum's Butter Knife Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? I would like to share some resources I have used to stock up on food and water supplies. I use thereadystore.com for much of my supplies. I have used bulliondirect.com for gold and silver. You all need to be able to heat the home in winter if necessay. I have also been looking at portable solar cell systems that run all types of portable electronic devices. This would provide some small level of electic capacity since I no not own a generator. Also Keep about 3 weeks of gasoline on hand as Hurricane Ike has demonstrated. Let's keep the ideas comming!!

09-15-2008, 01:09 AM	#4
Kris Riley Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 32	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Thanks bluestix for your reply. Good info there for everyone. Important to invest in heirloom seeds so to harvest the seeds again and again. We're presently shacking up with our grandparents who have been teaching us canning and gardening. Plus not to mention the stories they can tell us about living without all the stuff we do today. It's been good to connect with them. I knew the day would come when I'd be taking care of grandparents and parents, and I'm honored to be there for them. Keep the info coming. Thanks for the response to this thread. It's definitly giving me some understanding and direction. Peace To Occum's Butter Knife, good post. Good info. Last edited by Kris Riley; 09-15-2008 at 01:11 AM.

09-15-2008, 01:23 AM	#5
Mizar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: British Columbia Posts: 162	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Kris, you are way ahead of the pack, your canned goods will be worth their weight in Silver and Gold real soon, your grandparents have more knowledge that they have not told you yet, be sure to get all wisdom b4 they are gone. M

09-15-2008, 12:48 PM	#6
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? See Ya Kris. Last edited by troopgear; 09-17-2008 at 02:33 AM.

09-15-2008, 01:20 PM	#7
Kris Riley Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 32	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Ok troopgear, why would one want to buy 1oz bars instead of coins? Another thing. You are sounding hostile. Is it because people are trying the best they can to share what they know? I think if you have an expert knowledge, then it is greatly appreciated. You should start a thread and give some advise. That is what a lot of good people here are looking for right now and if you could share and be patient with us who know very little about this process, that would be swell.

09-15-2008, 10:33 PM	#8
bodzoyfa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: east side Posts: 109	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Hi to all, and I appreciate the input from everyone participating in this thread. But I have perhaps a very idealistic intuition about this whole precious metals/save my worth scenario concerning the impending collapse of the American dollar. When yet another bank collapses and the stock market continues to crumble, isnt that one step closer for all of us to freedom? Isnt the love of money and the mediumship is provides to aqcuire power the reason we are in this mess to begin with? The Federal Reserve is a fraud, our debt based society is set up to keep us enslaved. So I submit to you all (and this has been stated earlier in this thread), be more concerned about your relationships with the people you love, get as prepared as your current financial situation will allow and continue to put out as much positivity into the universe as possible. It seems to me that the majority of us agree that the even though we may have the Amero for a short while, that market will crash as well and then we are on to the RFID chip. So what is your gold/silver/platinum/palladium worth then? It is my humble opinion that we welcome the crash of our economy and find the goodness in it. I'm done with the rat race we have all been programmed to believe in. You know, the one where how much money you have dictates your class in society, how many "friends" you have, whether or not you get floor seats to a Lakers game, and quality of health care/education you and your family gets. Pardon my explicit passion but, ** THAT! I realize this may rub people the wrong way and you may think that I am living in the clouds, but like Alex Colliers Andromedan friends asked him: "Why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born?" Think about it... ********************************************** * This post has been moderated because inappropriate language has been used. ************************************************ * Last edited by QtesUKStoke; 09-16-2008 at 07:27 AM. Reason: language

09-16-2008, 12:38 AM	#9
Stayin' Alive Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 1	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Top Gear. What are your thoughts about the different options that a person has if they currently have an IRA invested completley in Gold coins that are being stored by a financial institution? The person could take delivery on the coins, but pay a big penalty for early withdrawal. The person could leave the IRA alone, hoping that the financial system won't really collapse or that they would still be able to get delivery on the coins once it became completely obvious that things were collapsing. Do you know of any other options? What do think the odds are that the economy will start to collapse very soon and that the government finances will even collapse next year? What do you think of what is being said in the following link?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAAWbTcGMA

09-16-2008, 12:49 AM	#10
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Tell you what, I will send you a PM sometime tonight.... Best Regards

09-16-2008, 05:49 AM	#11
redwoman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Hi, I'm interested in any advice you have about what to do with IRA/401K investments in dollars in funds and bonds held in accounts run by fund or insurance companies (think Fidelity, Oppenheimer, Ameriprise) rather than conventional banks. Also, can you elaborate on the basis of your experience? I'm very curious; sounds lengthy. In the black hole of decent financial advice from conventional sources, I'm tempted to take advice from strangers. Tell me why I should from you.

09-16-2008, 01:24 PM	#12
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? So, you have address that to me, just got your PM,..... Not really in the mood today, and it looks like your a blank slate on any info. So you just joined, Now....don't mean to make waves..... but this does sound like a bate trailer by the S.E.C...... So, If you want to know, PM my with your personal E-mail address..... and I will help you... on advice.... Just want to see if your real.... and yes I will have question first for you...... Best Regards and have a good Day!!!! Last edited by troopgear; 09-16-2008 at 01:32 PM.

09-15-2008, 02:26 PM	#15
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? It's over!!!!!!!!!!!! We got married Last edited by troopgear; 09-16-2008 at 07:39 PM.

09-15-2008, 08:06 PM	#16
TAXMASTER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 117	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? I am sorry but I disagree with silver and gold bars. i think old american coins from pre 1964 are the safest bet. there are a lot of fraudulent gold and silver bars and as price escalates, there will be more that pop up. people are familiar with our silver coins and there are no fakes on the market in any significant numbers. people will trust them plus they are still valid currency in the us. FYI I am a cpa, a securities dealer and a futures trader myself. I trade in gold, silver, currencies, and oil. Namaste'

09-15-2008, 08:16 PM	#17
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Nice to see ya !!!!

09-15-2008, 08:27 PM	#18
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Cheers Last edited by troopgear; 09-17-2008 at 02:33 AM.

09-15-2008, 08:18 PM	#19
TAXMASTER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 117	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? i just bought 1000 morgan silver dollars at under $15 each. this is a premium over silver however i still think its worth it. i got mine from blue moon coins. they have a lot of silver and gold coins in stock. you can still get plenty of silver coins on ebay. the best place is your local coin shop if they have the supply. i live in a city of 60 thousand people and cannot get it locally. Namaste'

09-15-2008, 10:59 PM	#21
troopgear Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Depends on the time of year!!! Posts: 68	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Tell you what..... I didn't learn my info from "cut and paste" or YOUTUBE.... I learned it FIRST Hand..... So please don't preach to me about hist..... I'm only here to help those who want it. not to pick and choose what they think...... A Spade is a Spade.... you read or watch something as if it is law.... off the internet..... So that is what it all stem from today.... so keep your opinion to yourself.... its over....

09-15-2008, 11:07 PM	#22
PeacefulWarri0r Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? I totally agree with Bodzoyfa and appreciate his opinion; We need to look at money as just a vast ice-burg in the way of our future ocean of freedom. If you keep focusing on the big pink elephant in the air (i.e. Money) then you might become distracted from the real purpose of our existence. Good luck in your perspectives and their following actions. Thanks again Bodzoyfa for your uplifting word. It's nice to know I'm not the only soul over in this neck of the woods that is idealistic about life, haha. Peace and Happiness. Adios : )

09-15-2008, 11:35 PM	#23
Kris Riley Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 32	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? As a man that has mouths to feed and tending to land and finances, one like myself is asking the question about the dollar in order to get a better grasp on how to preserve time and energy expended, in a way that will float my family. I too feel the need for freedom from the system of enslavement that we have been entrenched in. The way that I see it, is to take the best good information that is available and weigh it inside oneself to get a feeling if its the right thing to do. When I think of gold, I think of something that I've never owned in my life and it's exciting to think of holding some in my hands for a while in this life. That may sound selfish, but it sounds fun to me. I know you can't eat it or breath it, but why not have fun with your money if you have some. If not, big deal. Without it, we're still capable of creating reality instantaneously and why not enjoy your reality. Enslavement is a state of mind. If you think you have to work at a lame job, then you probably do. If you think you need to be somewhere else, then you can be. Knowone is looking out for you except you. We create our every moment and lets start enjoying a little more. Death is inevitable for now, so get used to the scenario and live a little. Peace my friends.

09-15-2008, 11:29 PM	#24
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: What to do With the U.S. Dollar? Boy your full of hot air! must be from new york. I'm talking to you troop! Hey Kris, don't let troopgear get you down! PEACE! Last edited by Dantheman62; 09-15-2008 at 11:39 PM.