Air France airbus goes down - Page 3

Dantheman62 · 06-02-2009, 03:43 PM

BRASILIA, Brazil – Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday as they hunted for a missing Air France passenger jet that carried 228 people. They found no signs of life.

The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart, about 410 miles (650 kilometers) beyond the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

"The locations where the objects were found are toward the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis."

Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.

The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet went missing, with all feared dead.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

Tango · 06-02-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

BRASILIA, Brazil – Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday as they hunted for a missing Air France passenger jet that carried 228 people. They found no signs of life.

The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart, about 410 miles (650 kilometers) beyond the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

"The locations where the objects were found are toward the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis."

Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.

The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet went missing, with all feared dead.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

Plot Google Earth location... Long & Lat... Target area... other flights

locations.... Chemtrails....? HAARP.....? UAAV....

THIS IS A HIT...... SIGNS....

Trooly,

Tango

Tango · 06-02-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burgundia

In that dream the interior of the plane was all charred...

Look inside your dream for " Detail "... Great Gift... Look for confirmation...

in reports of anything you have caught... Look " Finite "

Tango

judykott · 06-02-2009, 04:12 PM

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
Bot Project: The Word "Weird" Comes to Mind

While we await the return of the predictive linguistics reports on June 21st (or around in there) I can't tell you how many readers have written asking if the missing plane/disappearance of the Air France flight over the Atlantic with 228 people on board meets or met the prediction in the ALTA (Asymmetric Language Trend Analysis) reports out of www.halfpasthuman.com around the concept of missing/vanishing celebrities which was expected over the course of summer.

The answer is complicated, so bear with me:

First point to make is that the whole "disappearances" meme (*a thought virus or propagating idea in the MSM) was explained in ALTA 1309 this way:

"The data sets continue to grow for [disappearances], with an increasing frequency of [reporting] of such over Summer from mid May onward. A number of the [disappearances], are also indicated to be [occurring] in Summer."

Apparently, the 'disappears' meme is going to be persistent for the next few months, since in ALTA 1109 (February 7 ALTA Report) it was described this way:

"In other words, the events of Spring/Summer of 2009 relative to the [disappearances] meme will repeat in a manifestation of a larger, related meme in late Fall and early Winter of 2009."

Since January (ALTA 1109 - Part 4) - January 31, 2009) there's been an expectation that (in general) we'd see all kinds of 'disappearing' being done this year, with perhaps the odd suicide (yup) and then this description of what would have been a perfect fit:

"There are still accruing values in support of at least 1/one instance of a [very rich person] going [missing] with their entire [crew of bodyguards/entourage]. This incident is not indicated until later in the year, perhaps mid [summer], and will follow a series of [disappearances] which will prompt the [increased visibility of groups of bodyguards] around these [key minions] and TPTB members. Several of these incidents of [disappearances] are forecast to involve [yachts] of some size, and in an early report, a case of the [disappearance] of the people, leaving behind the [boat] will be brought forward."

All of which gets us to a curious point about linguistics: You may remember that the predictive linguistics were previously a bit off prior to the space shuttle disaster. In that particular case, the linguistics had made references to a 'maritime disaster' and 'gem of the ocean'. As history unfolded, we learned that the 'gem of the ocean' linguistic was an archetypical reference to the "Columbia" and further, that the 'maritime disaster' was a 'space ship.'

Time monks are, of course aware of - and working on such issues. The news event that would have fit much more closely than the Air France event would have been a 'Hollywood' or 'rich Middle East' yacht going 'Mary Celeste'. In other words, being found at sea with no one aboard.

Still, something like the discovery of the Air France jet and 50 people/bodies would give us some 'fill' on the expectations, but that would leave a lot more to come as the year goes on. And higher profile people and the entourages.

You can see how the linguistics can make air (or space) and ocean mistake -- especially when you're looking at a future event 6-months in advance - when you see headline like this one in the Washington post this morning. "Airliner Leaves Mystery in its Wake."

Notice how "wake" is used? It's got one definition that is equivalent to the term 'aftermath'. But in a nautical sense a 'wake' is the waves left behind a boat. Air ships and space ships and archetype imagery that describes waves/sinking is right next door in the lexicon to turbulence/crashing; such is the stock and trade of being a time monk.

No worries, though. What we're doing is not an accepted piece of academia - we're so far out on the bleeding edge of computational linguistics it's not even funny. Besides, if your healthy skepticism makes you deny that large groups of communicating humans presage the future /leaks the future in their conversations, then fine - we understand the defense mechanism and how denial works. Just keep taking them blue pills. We're hooked on these red ones.

(*This is all copyright stuff reproduced here with exclusive permission and any reposting of this requires a link to the www.halfpasthuman.com site and this page as well...thank you for playing nicely.)

We oughta get more sense of this around the June 21 start of the $10-weekly sales of individual reports which yeah, I can't hardly wait for either.

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mudra · 06-02-2009, 06:03 PM

The 228 people on an Air France flight that disappeared over the Atlantic this morning are now presumed dead—possibly the victim of a lightning strike. Aviation expert Clive Irving on why that’s the most troubling theory of all.

...No airline crash has been caused by lightning in more than 40 years. And before this, no passenger has ever been lost on an Airbus A330. And so if in some way Flight 447 became a victim of an unsuspected vulnerability to electrical storms, this will present investigators with a challenge unlike any before...

Read 7 theories on what happened to Flight 447

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...om-flight-447/

Kindness
mudra

Tango · 06-02-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudra

The 228 people on an Air France flight that disappeared over the Atlantic this morning are now presumed dead—possibly the victim of a lightning strike. Aviation expert Clive Irving on why that’s the most troubling theory of all.

...No airline crash has been caused by lightning in more than 40 years. And before this, no passenger has ever been lost on an Airbus A330. And so if in some way Flight 447 became a victim of an unsuspected vulnerability to electrical storms, this will present investigators with a challenge unlike any before...

Read 7 theories on what happened to Flight 447

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...om-flight-447/

Kindness
mudra

Heavy airplanes are grounded..... Static wics... Trailing edges... Go look;

just the 'first' NEWS reports are reliable. After that the spin of MSM...

Trooly,

Tango

Dantheman62 · 06-02-2009, 06:36 PM

1. CAUSES AND RESULTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS
Critical and essential airplane systems are vulnerable to damage from environmental factors. These include lightning strikes, HIRF, moisture, extreme change in pressure, extreme range of temperature, vibration, and shock.

2. MITIGATION OF DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS

If electronic equipment needs to be operated in a region subject to changing electromagnetic fields, and if the currents generated by these fields are considered harmful, the recommended approach to mitigating the harmful effects is to shield and ground the electronic equipment and the interconnecting wiring. As a result, electrical currents generated by lightning or HIRF then circulate through the equipment enclosure to ground without affecting internal circuitry. This enclosure practice extends to interconnecting wiring through the use of cable shielding; that is, the shield is the enclosure that is grounded. Other damage mitigation considerations include the location of the equipment and wiring, use of effective wiring, use of good grounding practices, and building equipment to withstand transients. All these tactics are incorporated into the design of Boeing airplanes and the installed equipment.

3. SHIELDING SYSTEM CONCEPTS AND TESTING
Shields perform other functions beyond providing lightning and HIRF protection. A well-known example is low-frequency hum on airplane audio circuits usually traceable to the 400-Hz power system. The traditional solution is to install a shield and ground it at one end, which has proved to be very effective against this type of low-frequency interference. Grounding the shield at both ends is typical for lightning protection, but this tactic was found to be ineffective against the low-frequency hum. One of the effects of a lightning strike is the generation of changing electromagnetic fields inside the airplane hull. These fields are at much higher frequencies than the 400-Hz power interference. Under such conditions, shields grounded at only one end might not be effective. In some cases this can also result in the shield acting as an antenna, thus making the surge voltages even larger than they would be if the conductors were unshielded.

4. LOOP RESISTANCE TESTER DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION
To avoid encountering these circumstances during resistance testing, Boeing developed the LRT to provide a nonintrusive testing technique that will not disturb connectors, is faster, and will ensure the soundness of the overall circuit.

To properly use the LRT and achieve the best results possible, maintenance personnel should understand the following about the device: LRT elements, LRT technique, loop troubleshooting, joint mode, sensing of coupler closure and joint probe connection, maintenance requirements, safety features, and calibration and certification.

There's a lot more at this link! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...oop_story.html

Tango · 06-02-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

1. CAUSES AND RESULTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS
Critical and essential airplane systems are vulnerable to damage from environmental factors. These include lightning strikes, HIRF, moisture, extreme change in pressure, extreme range of temperature, vibration, and shock.

2. MITIGATION OF DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS

If electronic equipment needs to be operated in a region subject to changing electromagnetic fields, and if the currents generated by these fields are considered harmful, the recommended approach to mitigating the harmful effects is to shield and ground the electronic equipment and the interconnecting wiring. As a result, electrical currents generated by lightning or HIRF then circulate through the equipment enclosure to ground without affecting internal circuitry. This enclosure practice extends to interconnecting wiring through the use of cable shielding; that is, the shield is the enclosure that is grounded. Other damage mitigation considerations include the location of the equipment and wiring, use of effective wiring, use of good grounding practices, and building equipment to withstand transients. All these tactics are incorporated into the design of Boeing airplanes and the installed equipment.

3. SHIELDING SYSTEM CONCEPTS AND TESTING
Shields perform other functions beyond providing lightning and HIRF protection. A well-known example is low-frequency hum on airplane audio circuits usually traceable to the 400-Hz power system. The traditional solution is to install a shield and ground it at one end, which has proved to be very effective against this type of low-frequency interference. Grounding the shield at both ends is typical for lightning protection, but this tactic was found to be ineffective against the low-frequency hum. One of the effects of a lightning strike is the generation of changing electromagnetic fields inside the airplane hull. These fields are at much higher frequencies than the 400-Hz power interference. Under such conditions, shields grounded at only one end might not be effective. In some cases this can also result in the shield acting as an antenna, thus making the surge voltages even larger than they would be if the conductors were unshielded.

4. LOOP RESISTANCE TESTER DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION
To avoid encountering these circumstances during resistance testing, Boeing developed the LRT to provide a nonintrusive testing technique that will not disturb connectors, is faster, and will ensure the soundness of the overall circuit.

To properly use the LRT and achieve the best results possible, maintenance personnel should understand the following about the device: LRT elements, LRT technique, loop troubleshooting, joint mode, sensing of coupler closure and joint probe connection, maintenance requirements, safety features, and calibration and certification.

There's a lot more at this link! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...oop_story.html

No disrespect intended here...

Boeing<------------->AirBus Apples Oranges

Airplanes [big ones] ARE grounded... They Fly relative to the wind...

I guess we will see; what we will SEE....

So, every airplane in the area at 40,000 ft. should have gone down....

Sorry, I'll back out, let it alll play out... People, better start opening yor

EYE.....

Warning: Your going to be " Lied to..."

Trooly,

Tango

Steve_A · 06-03-2009, 10:36 AM

Hi Tango,

Although i'm not sure about every aeroplane should have gone down (on the day of the accident there was extreme conditions - see first post) I am concerned about the 60km spread of debris. Once again I ask myself if 24 hours on the high seas could drift debris so far apart?

The French are sending two mini subs to the area to comb the sea floor to try and find the 'black boxes' and I think the US are offering to help also.

As for being lied to, well that's another question. It wouldn't be the first time and we could be forgiven in thinking there would be a next time.

Best regards,

Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango

No disrespect intended here...

Boeing<------------->AirBus Apples Oranges

Airplanes [big ones] ARE grounded... They Fly relative to the wind...

I guess we will see; what we will SEE....

So, every airplane in the area at 40,000 ft. should have gone down....

Sorry, I'll back out, let it alll play out... People, better start opening yor

EYE.....

Warning: Your going to be " Lied to..."

Trooly,

Tango

Steve_A · 06-03-2009, 06:26 PM

Hi Everyone,

Latest update:

The local news is saying that Air France received a bomb threat in Buenos Aires airport in Argentina four days before the Air France plane went down travelling between Rio de Janeiro and Paris.

The debris was scattered for around 60km. Could the sea have scattered the debris so much overnight, or are the two incidents related?

If the authorities think foul play is involved they would have to investigate all the people who were on the flight, like for example one of the passengers who was foreign relations officer for Petrobras, company which is scandal ridden and under investigation by the Brazilian authorities.

Let's see what happens....

Best regards,

Steve

burgundia · 06-04-2009, 06:36 AM

Now there is a new theory. There was no fire, no explosion on board. The plane simply came apart in midair.

J_rod7 · 06-04-2009, 07:07 AM

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Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there.

Gravity says otherwise.

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

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iainl140285 · 06-04-2009, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_rod7

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Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there.

Gravity says otherwise.

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

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*******

Possibly.
Wouldnt this effect flights flying the same route prior to and after the missing flight?

burgundia · 06-04-2009, 07:40 AM

Sol Invictus about planes falling from the sky.....do you remember?

waitinginthewings · 06-04-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_rod7

*******
***
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Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there.

Gravity says otherwise.

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

*
***
*******

Assuming your theory is correct.....yes, it is a big wake up call. But sophisticated weapons could also suddenly blow the plane out of the sky. I believe we will never be told the truth about what happened to that plane. If this happens, I'll know it was deliberately brought down. Very strange how it happened in an area with such anomalies, and such deep waters far out in the ocean. Everything falls to the bottom, no evidence to be found. Any pieces they are currently talking about could be planted there just like the twin towers. We will never know the truth. I think Tango is onto to something with the "plasma weapons"

Unified Serenity · 06-04-2009, 05:37 PM

What about the bomb threats Air France received over in Rio before the flight took off? I think it was Rio.

burgundia · 06-04-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

What about the bomb threats Air France received over in Rio before the flight took off? I think it was Rio.

I think it was in Argentina.....

Steve_A · 06-04-2009, 07:14 PM

Hi burgundia,

Yes you are right, it was Argentina, four days before the flight that dissappeared.

I have always thought it was a bomb as the wreckage was spread for a large area. Today the Brazilian Air Force found wreckage 200km NORTH of Fernando de Noronha! The other wreckage was at least 650 NORTHEAST of the archipelago.

Today another interesting detail is that a pilot of Spanish airline Air Comet saw a "strong and intense white light which took a downward and vertical descent". The bright flash lasted for around six seconds.

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/g...7,382210,0.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...ef=mpstoryview

Of course Air France is denying the fact that there was a bomb despite the fact that they don't know what actually happened. How can they rule out a bomb if they don't know for sure what happened?

It's clear that Air France has learnt after what happened to the Pan Am airline after the Lockerbie incident.

Best regards,

Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by burgundia

I think it was in Argentina.....

Unified Serenity · 06-04-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burgundia

I think it was in Argentina.....

Thanks

burgundia · 06-04-2009, 07:39 PM

if the debris is scattered over such a vast area, other pilots saw light or flames and everything happened so quickly, so I think there must have been some kind of "hit", but I have no idea what kind...

Illumination · 06-05-2009, 03:53 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8085539.stm

These paragraphs struck me as very unusual. Maybe this is a common occurrence for jets taking off over oceans with storms, but I've never heard of this.

"Meteorologists say that the Air France Flight 447 had entered an unusual storm with 100mph (160km/h) updrafts that sucked water up from the ocean.
As the moisture reached the plane's high altitude it quickly froze in -40C temperatures. The updrafts would also have created dangerous turbulence, they say."

Unified Serenity · 06-05-2009, 04:24 PM

My BS meter is pegging the red zone. I think this is possibly a false flag meant to cause more fear for people traveling or who have loved ones traveling. It's also a point to note who was on that plane, anyone of scientific or intelligence importance?

I think we were meant to believe the debris was from Air France and the Brazilian military blew that cover story. I've done some R/S on this topic and though R/S is questionable, it does indicate there is a cover-up. Plus the retired NTSB guy with the funky snake eyes is a good indicator that this was not just a "Plane crash". My father flew 747 and L1011 and it makes no sense for them to have flown into that storm.

I will continue to watch and see. Maybe I will find some audio of the subs being sent and R/S that. I used to speak French rather well, so maybe I can follow it if the R/S turns out to be French.

*NOTE* It would be great if we had 1 thread on the Air France crash.

Newshound · 06-05-2009, 04:30 PM

A French nuclear submarine is being sent to help find an Air France jet which disappeared over the Atlantic.

More...

Swanny · 06-05-2009, 04:30 PM

I bet somebody out there knows where the plane is

waitinginthewings · 06-05-2009, 09:58 PM

Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean."..................

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Interna...7762916&page=1

Ah....the plot thickens

06-02-2009, 03:43 PM	#51
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Air France airbus goes down BRASILIA, Brazil – Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday as they hunted for a missing Air France passenger jet that carried 228 people. They found no signs of life. The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart, about 410 miles (650 kilometers) beyond the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral. "The locations where the objects were found are toward the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis." Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday. The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet went missing, with all feared dead. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

06-02-2009, 04:12 PM	#54
judykott Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 711	Re: Air France airbus goes down http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm Bot Project: The Word "Weird" Comes to Mind While we await the return of the predictive linguistics reports on June 21st (or around in there) I can't tell you how many readers have written asking if the missing plane/disappearance of the Air France flight over the Atlantic with 228 people on board meets or met the prediction in the ALTA (Asymmetric Language Trend Analysis) reports out of www.halfpasthuman.com around the concept of missing/vanishing celebrities which was expected over the course of summer. The answer is complicated, so bear with me: First point to make is that the whole "disappearances" meme (a thought virus or propagating idea in the MSM) was explained in ALTA 1309 this way: "The data sets continue to grow for [disappearances], with an increasing frequency of [reporting] of such over Summer from mid May onward. A number of the [disappearances], are also indicated to be [occurring] in Summer." Apparently, the 'disappears' meme is going to be persistent for the next few months, since in ALTA 1109 (February 7 ALTA Report) it was described this way: "In other words, the events of Spring/Summer of 2009 relative to the [disappearances] meme will repeat in a manifestation of a larger, related meme in late Fall and early Winter of 2009." Since January (ALTA 1109 - Part 4) - January 31, 2009) there's been an expectation that (in general) we'd see all kinds of 'disappearing' being done this year, with perhaps the odd suicide (yup) and then this description of what would have been a perfect fit: "There are still accruing values in support of at least 1/one instance of a [very rich person] going [missing] with their entire [crew of bodyguards/entourage]. This incident is not indicated until later in the year, perhaps mid [summer], and will follow a series of [disappearances] which will prompt the [increased visibility of groups of bodyguards] around these [key minions] and TPTB members. Several of these incidents of [disappearances] are forecast to involve [yachts] of some size, and in an early report, a case of the [disappearance] of the people, leaving behind the [boat] will be brought forward." All of which gets us to a curious point about linguistics: You may remember that the predictive linguistics were previously a bit off prior to the space shuttle disaster. In that particular case, the linguistics had made references to a 'maritime disaster' and 'gem of the ocean'. As history unfolded, we learned that the 'gem of the ocean' linguistic was an archetypical reference to the "Columbia" and further, that the 'maritime disaster' was a 'space ship.' Time monks are, of course aware of - and working on such issues. The news event that would have fit much more closely than the Air France event would have been a 'Hollywood' or 'rich Middle East' yacht going 'Mary Celeste'. In other words, being found at sea with no one aboard. Still, something like the discovery of the Air France jet and 50 people/bodies would give us some 'fill' on the expectations, but that would leave a lot more to come as the year goes on. And higher profile people and the entourages. You can see how the linguistics can make air (or space) and ocean mistake -- especially when you're looking at a future event 6-months in advance - when you see headline like this one in the Washington post this morning. "Airliner Leaves Mystery in its Wake." Notice how "wake" is used? It's got one definition that is equivalent to the term 'aftermath'. But in a nautical sense a 'wake' is the waves left behind a boat. Air ships and space ships and archetype imagery that describes waves/sinking is right next door in the lexicon to turbulence/crashing; such is the stock and trade of being a time monk. No worries, though. What we're doing is not an accepted piece of academia - we're so far out on the bleeding edge of computational linguistics it's not even funny. Besides, if your healthy skepticism makes you deny that large groups of communicating humans presage the future /leaks the future in their conversations, then fine - we understand the defense mechanism and how denial works. Just keep taking them blue pills. We're hooked on these red ones. (This is all copyright stuff reproduced here with exclusive permission and any reposting of this requires a link to the www.halfpasthuman.com site and this page as well...thank you for playing nicely.) We oughta get more sense of this around the June 21 start of the $10-weekly sales of individual reports which yeah, I can't hardly wait for either. ---

06-02-2009, 06:03 PM	#55
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Air France airbus goes down The 228 people on an Air France flight that disappeared over the Atlantic this morning are now presumed dead—possibly the victim of a lightning strike. Aviation expert Clive Irving on why that’s the most troubling theory of all. ...No airline crash has been caused by lightning in more than 40 years. And before this, no passenger has ever been lost on an Airbus A330. And so if in some way Flight 447 became a victim of an unsuspected vulnerability to electrical storms, this will present investigators with a challenge unlike any before... Read 7 theories on what happened to Flight 447 http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...om-flight-447/ Kindness mudra

06-02-2009, 06:36 PM	#57
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Air France airbus goes down 1. CAUSES AND RESULTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS Critical and essential airplane systems are vulnerable to damage from environmental factors. These include lightning strikes, HIRF, moisture, extreme change in pressure, extreme range of temperature, vibration, and shock. 2. MITIGATION OF DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS If electronic equipment needs to be operated in a region subject to changing electromagnetic fields, and if the currents generated by these fields are considered harmful, the recommended approach to mitigating the harmful effects is to shield and ground the electronic equipment and the interconnecting wiring. As a result, electrical currents generated by lightning or HIRF then circulate through the equipment enclosure to ground without affecting internal circuitry. This enclosure practice extends to interconnecting wiring through the use of cable shielding; that is, the shield is the enclosure that is grounded. Other damage mitigation considerations include the location of the equipment and wiring, use of effective wiring, use of good grounding practices, and building equipment to withstand transients. All these tactics are incorporated into the design of Boeing airplanes and the installed equipment. 3. SHIELDING SYSTEM CONCEPTS AND TESTING Shields perform other functions beyond providing lightning and HIRF protection. A well-known example is low-frequency hum on airplane audio circuits usually traceable to the 400-Hz power system. The traditional solution is to install a shield and ground it at one end, which has proved to be very effective against this type of low-frequency interference. Grounding the shield at both ends is typical for lightning protection, but this tactic was found to be ineffective against the low-frequency hum. One of the effects of a lightning strike is the generation of changing electromagnetic fields inside the airplane hull. These fields are at much higher frequencies than the 400-Hz power interference. Under such conditions, shields grounded at only one end might not be effective. In some cases this can also result in the shield acting as an antenna, thus making the surge voltages even larger than they would be if the conductors were unshielded. 4. LOOP RESISTANCE TESTER DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION To avoid encountering these circumstances during resistance testing, Boeing developed the LRT to provide a nonintrusive testing technique that will not disturb connectors, is faster, and will ensure the soundness of the overall circuit. To properly use the LRT and achieve the best results possible, maintenance personnel should understand the following about the device: LRT elements, LRT technique, loop troubleshooting, joint mode, sensing of coupler closure and joint probe connection, maintenance requirements, safety features, and calibration and certification. There's a lot more at this link! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...oop_story.html

06-03-2009, 06:26 PM	#60
Steve_A Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northeastern Brazil Posts: 1,259	Re: Air France airbus goes down Hi Everyone, Latest update: The local news is saying that Air France received a bomb threat in Buenos Aires airport in Argentina four days before the Air France plane went down travelling between Rio de Janeiro and Paris. The debris was scattered for around 60km. Could the sea have scattered the debris so much overnight, or are the two incidents related? If the authorities think foul play is involved they would have to investigate all the people who were on the flight, like for example one of the passengers who was foreign relations officer for Petrobras, company which is scandal ridden and under investigation by the Brazilian authorities. Let's see what happens.... Best regards, Steve

06-04-2009, 06:36 AM	#61
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Air France airbus goes down Now there is a new theory. There was no fire, no explosion on board. The plane simply came apart in midair.

06-04-2009, 07:07 AM	#62
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Air France airbus goes down ***** * * Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA). This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there. This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa. Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines. Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly. Some people may think that if all the engines shut down, they would be stuck up there. Gravity says otherwise. It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call. * * ***** Last edited by J_rod7; 06-04-2009 at 07:09 AM.

06-04-2009, 07:40 AM	#64
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Air France airbus goes down Sol Invictus about planes falling from the sky.....do you remember?

06-04-2009, 05:37 PM	#66
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Air France airbus goes down What about the bomb threats Air France received over in Rio before the flight took off? I think it was Rio.

06-04-2009, 07:39 PM	#70
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Air France airbus goes down if the debris is scattered over such a vast area, other pilots saw light or flames and everything happened so quickly, so I think there must have been some kind of "hit", but I have no idea what kind...

06-05-2009, 03:53 PM	#71
Illumination Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 60	Nuclear sub to join hunt for jet http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8085539.stm These paragraphs struck me as very unusual. Maybe this is a common occurrence for jets taking off over oceans with storms, but I've never heard of this. "Meteorologists say that the Air France Flight 447 had entered an unusual storm with 100mph (160km/h) updrafts that sucked water up from the ocean. As the moisture reached the plane's high altitude it quickly froze in -40C temperatures. The updrafts would also have created dangerous turbulence, they say."

06-05-2009, 04:24 PM	#72
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Nuclear sub to join hunt for jet My BS meter is pegging the red zone. I think this is possibly a false flag meant to cause more fear for people traveling or who have loved ones traveling. It's also a point to note who was on that plane, anyone of scientific or intelligence importance? I think we were meant to believe the debris was from Air France and the Brazilian military blew that cover story. I've done some R/S on this topic and though R/S is questionable, it does indicate there is a cover-up. Plus the retired NTSB guy with the funky snake eyes is a good indicator that this was not just a "Plane crash". My father flew 747 and L1011 and it makes no sense for them to have flown into that storm. I will continue to watch and see. Maybe I will find some audio of the subs being sent and R/S that. I used to speak French rather well, so maybe I can follow it if the R/S turns out to be French. NOTE It would be great if we had 1 thread on the Air France crash. Last edited by Unified Serenity; 06-05-2009 at 04:27 PM.

06-05-2009, 04:30 PM	#73
Newshound News Bot Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 596	Nuclear sub to join hunt for jet A French nuclear submarine is being sent to help find an Air France jet which disappeared over the Atlantic. More...

06-05-2009, 04:30 PM	#74
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Nuclear sub to join hunt for jet I bet somebody out there knows where the plane is

06-05-2009, 09:58 PM	#75
waitinginthewings Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 1,340	Re: Air France airbus goes down Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean.".................. http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Interna...7762916&page=1 Ah....the plot thickens