understanding death

Humble Janitor · 06-05-2009, 09:53 AM

I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

shred · 06-05-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

I dont fear death. However I have to agree with Humble, where family is concerned.

Swanny · 06-05-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

How will being well-off help them deal with your death???

Dantheman62 · 06-05-2009, 04:41 PM

Thanks mudra, no fear here either! If I have any relatives left when I die, I will make sure they know how I feel about death and to throw a big party!

Sarahmay · 06-05-2009, 05:12 PM

It is my belief that you will not die unless your soul agrees to it. So yes, that means everyone on that plane agreed...ah, but there were those who were supposed to be on that plane but somehow missed it. No coincidence there, they were not ready.

My father, when he was 32, almost died from a penicillin allergy. He was given the choice of whether to stay or go--my brother and I were very young. He said no, I want to stay here and watch my children grow up. Now he is 84. I asked him if he regretted that choice...of course he said no, but I'm sure he had his days!

Carmen · 06-08-2009, 06:09 AM

I have hesitated to comment on this thread, but I have decided to anyway! The only Death that humans should accept is death of their ego self which is not physical death. Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. We do have examples of people ascending with there bodies and to me its a much more acceptable science.

Death is a bit like time or calendars. Its an agreement, a belief, and we don't have to follow everyone else like lemmings over the cliff!!!

To die and have to come back through birth and learning everything all over again is sad. We are just repeating what we could have learned in our lifetime. And its not about fearing death. Its about asking the question "Is there more to life than what I have been taught" Is this it? Born, grow, die!!! Over and over again. There is more and I know there is more.

Love and Light

Carmen

mudra · 06-08-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

I have hesitated to comment on this thread, but I have decided to anyway! The only Death that humans should accept is death of their ego self which is not physical death. Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. We do have examples of people ascending with there bodies and to me its a much more acceptable science.

Death is a bit like time or calendars. Its an agreement, a belief, and we don't have to follow everyone else like lemmings over the cliff!!!

To die and have to come back through birth and learning everything all over again is sad. We are just repeating what we could have learned in our lifetime. And its not about fearing death. Its about asking the question "Is there more to life than what I have been taught" Is this it? Born, grow, die!!! Over and over again. There is more and I know there is more.

Love and Light

Carmen

If you fix yourself to a form be it a short lasting one or an everlasting one will that make any difference ?

Having access to that formless realm is truly liberating. It frees you from bondage to form and identification with form. It is life in its undifferentiated state prior to its fragmentation into multiplicity. We may call it the Unmanifested, the invisible Source of all things, the Being within all beings. It is a realm of deep stillness and peace, but also of joy and intense aliveness. Whenever you are present, you become "transparent" to some extent to the light, the pure consciousness that emanates from this Source. You also realize that the light is not separate from who you are but constitutes your very essence.

Echkart Tolle

Kindness
mudra

Carmen · 06-08-2009, 10:20 AM

Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen

rhythm · 06-08-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen

Wow Carmen ,, you been doing your homework again

mudra · 06-08-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen

Hello dear Carmen and thank for your postings.

I believe you and I agree:

It's not that we have a life. We are the life.The One Life, the one consciousness that pervades the entire universe and takes temporary form to experience itself as a stone or blade of grass, as an animal, a person, a star or a galaxy.

Kindness and love
mudra

RedeZra · 06-08-2009, 11:29 AM

Death where are your thorns?
Death where is your sting?

Im not my body not my mind not my soul not even me

What others think you are - You are not
What you think you are - You are not

I Am nothing like a person no not even close

rhythm · 06-08-2009, 11:41 AM

Die to the little self

while still in the body ..

die to ignorance

greed

suffering

fear

control

and then realy live ...

and then realy die ...

finaly ....

put an end to it ...

off the wheel

the merry go round ...

AussieG · 06-08-2009, 01:53 PM

Interesting post Mudra, although I may digress from the subject of death
I still think it is worth saying.

If we are eternal and I believe we are, then we have existed in one form or another for billions of years and will continue to exist for billions more. So then what is the purpose of this Earth plain existence in a physical 3D body?
As we evolve I believe we eventually become what I term an enlightened being. To be enlightened it implys that we can answer any question and to do that we must have experienced the situation of the question, honey is just honey until you taste it. Therefore to experience by touch taste smell sound and sight emotions and feelings is truly wonderful. To hold a new born baby in your arms, to experience the excitement of youth the wisdom of age the transcendence of death. Only one life time would be way to short to gain the infinite experiences on offer. To be a Fly for a day or a mighty Oak tree for four hundred years.
So to me the only thing of substance is experience.

Now to the nature of experience. it is my understanding that initially we were beings of positive free will DNA (consciousness) and gave unconditionally as the apple gives up it's fruit so it's seed can be carried all was in balance, until greed and avarice evolved. Through time these traits have been deliberately infesting our DNA and in certain percentage has become dominant manifesting as ultra egos with no or very little compassion or care.

Again it is my believe that the majority of humanity still has enough positive DNA and if nurtured and practiced can return to dominance. The challenge as I see it is to do what my conscious suggests despite what my Ego wants and to give freely without conditions.

Although the presence of the negative energies of ego in us all may seem to be repressive, we here in this existence are unique in the fact that we have adapted to dealing with it. I pray and hope that humanity can wake up to this fact and begin to restore the balance.

tone3jaguar · 06-08-2009, 09:34 PM

The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

scanner · 06-08-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

Boy do I struggle doing that, tried lots of times

fall asleep every time . No fear of death though saw lots of it and spirit in a job I had. Even made contact with a couple of them

J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 12:26 AM

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On Death and Dying

Die Art zu Leben

The Nature of Life (or) The Manner of Living (or) How to Live

"The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death.

"If this cognition matures then intensive contemplation is engaged about the significance of death and dying which exhibits so many facets of the perishable.

"This cognition in turn enables the human to draw full use from his life, as long as time allows this.

"The use is the creation of further cognition, of knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony and security, to be able to die without feeling regret, without having to reproach oneself for living life wrongly and having senselessly wasted it.

"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/mei...l152.sww69.htm

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The act of dying is well known to all of us, though many refuse to face this in a realistic way. Reincarnation IS the true Reality. All that we learn in this life is stored in the Comprehensive Consciousness Block between the lives, and is accessible to our Spirit as we generate a new personality in the next incarnation. Nothing gained is ever lost.

Then the meaning and purpose of THIS life is to learn what we may for the continued Evolution of our Spirits. When we find solutions to the problems of life, the lessons of living, these lessons do not need to be repeated again - we move on to new problems and new lessons. This is the path of Evolution - to evolve to greater and greater challenges for our continued growth in Spiritual Wisdom.

The Ultimate Goal of all our lives => some 60- to 80-Billion years experienced in the Material worlds => is to re-unite again with Creation, from which our Spirits originate, along with all other Spirits which have been on all the different paths of their own Evolution. The ReUnion of Spirits come from everywhere in the Entire Universe. The Purpose for this is to bring the GIFT of our accumulated Knowledge, Love and Wisdom back to Creation.

http://www.theyfly.com/

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/

http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi

Peace

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mudra · 07-12-2009, 12:46 AM

"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."

I like this idea Jrod .. so true

Thank you

Loving kindness
mudra

Northern Boy · 07-12-2009, 01:12 AM

Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation.

Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 01:50 AM

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Mudra, Thank you for opening this Thread. It is long overdue that Human Beings should realistically examine the ART of living and dying.

This, in your opening statement, is a "wake-up call" for those still sleeping with their illusions...:

"I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence. We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal."

Love and Blessings

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J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 01:57 AM

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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
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Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light

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mudra · 07-13-2009, 10:34 PM

We will see when the time comes Jrod. I believe as Consciousness evolves and moves to a higher gear this time going through a tunnel won't be needed .As far as I can sense it these tunnels were part of the process of reincarnation . Graduating through the heart will leave no room for guilt feelings that one needs to make up for . This is how we will reach a new plane of existence.

Loving kindness
mudra

Angel in Disguise · 07-13-2009, 10:45 PM

Dolores Cannon does a GREAT job of explaining death in 'Moving into a New Earth'... I can't find the link but it was an amazing description, one I resonate with greatly. I highly recommend it if you can find it

07-13-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J_rod7

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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
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Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light

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Not the tunnel I saw.

Beautiful image though.

WinterWolf · 07-14-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

Not the tunnel I saw.

Beautiful image though.

I like the fact that when I look at this particular picture, it moves for me. No I am not on drugs.

I see a wormhole instead of a tunnel..if that makes any sense...

Winter Wolf

Céline · 12-29-2009, 08:17 PM

my mother died Feb. 1st 2002 of complications from emphysema.

She was diagnosed at 55 and died at 59. In those 4 years, we talk alot about death...and life. We shared more in those 4 years then we did in the 33 years before her death...

The night she died, my sister and i were by her side...as she quietly took her last breath...that singular moment, those first few seconds of silence...reminded me of the first few seconds before my babies took their first breath...

So...

my mothers last breath...and my childrens first...created the same feeling, the same...pause...

It is a gift i cherish...and was honored to be there and witness her last breath.

06-05-2009, 09:53 AM	#1
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: understanding death I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

06-05-2009, 04:41 PM	#4
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: understanding death Thanks mudra, no fear here either! If I have any relatives left when I die, I will make sure they know how I feel about death and to throw a big party!

06-05-2009, 05:12 PM	#5
Sarahmay Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sedona Arizona Posts: 549	Re: understanding death It is my belief that you will not die unless your soul agrees to it. So yes, that means everyone on that plane agreed...ah, but there were those who were supposed to be on that plane but somehow missed it. No coincidence there, they were not ready. My father, when he was 32, almost died from a penicillin allergy. He was given the choice of whether to stay or go--my brother and I were very young. He said no, I want to stay here and watch my children grow up. Now he is 84. I asked him if he regretted that choice...of course he said no, but I'm sure he had his days!

06-08-2009, 06:09 AM	#6
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: understanding death I have hesitated to comment on this thread, but I have decided to anyway! The only Death that humans should accept is death of their ego self which is not physical death. Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. We do have examples of people ascending with there bodies and to me its a much more acceptable science. Death is a bit like time or calendars. Its an agreement, a belief, and we don't have to follow everyone else like lemmings over the cliff!!! To die and have to come back through birth and learning everything all over again is sad. We are just repeating what we could have learned in our lifetime. And its not about fearing death. Its about asking the question "Is there more to life than what I have been taught" Is this it? Born, grow, die!!! Over and over again. There is more and I know there is more. Love and Light Carmen

06-08-2009, 10:20 AM	#8
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: understanding death Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional. Love to you Carmen

06-08-2009, 11:29 AM	#11
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: understanding death Death where are your thorns? Death where is your sting? Im not my body not my mind not my soul not even me What others think you are - You are not What you think you are - You are not I Am nothing like a person no not even close

06-08-2009, 11:41 AM	#12
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: understanding death *Die to the little self* *while still in the body ..* *die to ignorance* *greed* *suffering* *fear* *control* *and then realy live ...* *and then realy die ...* *finaly ....* *put an end to it ...* *off the wheel* *the merry go round ...*

06-08-2009, 01:53 PM	#13
AussieG Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 187	Re: understanding death Interesting post Mudra, although I may digress from the subject of death I still think it is worth saying. If we are eternal and I believe we are, then we have existed in one form or another for billions of years and will continue to exist for billions more. So then what is the purpose of this Earth plain existence in a physical 3D body? As we evolve I believe we eventually become what I term an enlightened being. To be enlightened it implys that we can answer any question and to do that we must have experienced the situation of the question, honey is just honey until you taste it. Therefore to experience by touch taste smell sound and sight emotions and feelings is truly wonderful. To hold a new born baby in your arms, to experience the excitement of youth the wisdom of age the transcendence of death. Only one life time would be way to short to gain the infinite experiences on offer. To be a Fly for a day or a mighty Oak tree for four hundred years. So to me the only thing of substance is experience. Now to the nature of experience. it is my understanding that initially we were beings of positive free will DNA (consciousness) and gave unconditionally as the apple gives up it's fruit so it's seed can be carried all was in balance, until greed and avarice evolved. Through time these traits have been deliberately infesting our DNA and in certain percentage has become dominant manifesting as ultra egos with no or very little compassion or care. Again it is my believe that the majority of humanity still has enough positive DNA and if nurtured and practiced can return to dominance. The challenge as I see it is to do what my conscious suggests despite what my Ego wants and to give freely without conditions. Although the presence of the negative energies of ego in us all may seem to be repressive, we here in this existence are unique in the fact that we have adapted to dealing with it. I pray and hope that humanity can wake up to this fact and begin to restore the balance.

06-08-2009, 09:34 PM	#14
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: understanding death The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

07-12-2009, 12:26 AM	#16
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * On Death and Dying Die Art zu Leben The Nature of Life (or) The Manner of Living (or) How to Live "The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death. "If this cognition matures then intensive contemplation is engaged about the significance of death and dying which exhibits so many facets of the perishable. "This cognition in turn enables the human to draw full use from his life, as long as time allows this. "The use is the creation of further cognition, of knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony and security, to be able to die without feeling regret, without having to reproach oneself for living life wrongly and having senselessly wasted it. "Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret." --- From: --- http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/mei...l152.sww69.htm ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* The act of dying is well known to all of us, though many refuse to face this in a realistic way. Reincarnation IS the true Reality. All that we learn in this life is stored in the Comprehensive Consciousness Block between the lives, and is accessible to our Spirit as we generate a new personality in the next incarnation. Nothing gained is ever lost. Then the meaning and purpose of THIS life is to learn what we may for the continued Evolution of our Spirits. When we find solutions to the problems of life, the lessons of living, these lessons do not need to be repeated again - we move on to new problems and new lessons. This is the path of Evolution - to evolve to greater and greater challenges for our continued growth in Spiritual Wisdom. The Ultimate Goal of all our lives => some 60- to 80-Billion years experienced in the Material worlds => is to re-unite again with Creation, from which our Spirits originate, along with all other Spirits which have been on all the different paths of their own Evolution. The ReUnion of Spirits come from everywhere in the Entire Universe. The *Purpose* for this is to bring the GIFT of our accumulated Knowledge, Love and Wisdom back to Creation. http://www.theyfly.com/ http://futureofmankind.co.uk/ http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi Peace * * ***** Last edited by J_rod7; 07-12-2009 at 01:25 AM.

07-12-2009, 12:46 AM	#17
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death "Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret." I like this idea Jrod .. so true Thank you Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 07-12-2009 at 12:49 AM.

07-12-2009, 01:12 AM	#18
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: understanding death Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

07-12-2009, 01:50 AM	#19
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * Mudra, Thank you for opening this Thread. It is long overdue that Human Beings should realistically examine the ART of living and dying. This, in your opening statement, is a "wake-up call" for those still sleeping with their illusions...: "I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence. We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal." Love and Blessings * * *****

07-12-2009, 01:57 AM	#20
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * . . Could the "tunnel" look like this?... . . Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light * * *****

07-13-2009, 10:34 PM	#21
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death We will see when the time comes Jrod. I believe as Consciousness evolves and moves to a higher gear this time going through a tunnel won't be needed .As far as I can sense it these tunnels were part of the process of reincarnation . Graduating through the heart will leave no room for guilt feelings that one needs to make up for . This is how we will reach a new plane of existence. Loving kindness mudra

07-13-2009, 10:45 PM	#22
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: understanding death Dolores Cannon does a GREAT job of explaining death in 'Moving into a New Earth'... I can't find the link but it was an amazing description, one I resonate with greatly. I highly recommend it if you can find it

12-29-2009, 08:17 PM	#25
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: understanding death my mother died Feb. 1st 2002 of complications from emphysema. She was diagnosed at 55 and died at 59. In those 4 years, we talk alot about death...and life. We shared more in those 4 years then we did in the 33 years before her death... The night she died, my sister and i were by her side...as she quietly took her last breath...that singular moment, those first few seconds of silence...reminded me of the first few seconds before my babies took their first breath... So... my mothers last breath...and my childrens first...created the same feeling, the same...pause... It is a gift i cherish...and was honored to be there and witness her last breath.