understanding death - Page 2

Greenlander · 12-29-2009, 08:44 PM

Thank you all for this forum

When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander

Céline · 12-29-2009, 09:32 PM

*celine hugs you *

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenlander

Thank you all for this forum

When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander

Jacqui D · 12-29-2009, 10:55 PM

I do not fear death at all. i do not want to say i welcome it either but certainly do not fear it, many fear leaving their families behind this is a human trait but we have many families in many past lives.
Perhaps if we celebrated death the fear would not be so harsh perhaps celebrate is the wrong word but why fear something which is inevitable.
Why be sad also lets embrace our moving on whether we choose to re incarnate or ascend.
I will not be entering the tunnel or following the white light i will be looking out to the universe and joining back with the stars.

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:36 AM

Realizations about Love are always important ones Greenlander as Love is your essence .
When you learn about love you learn about you ...about who you really are.

Love Always
mudra

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:38 AM

It seems Céline that in all these cases you have been witness to .. your mother and your children .. these souls opened and closed the door of life gently

Love Always
mudra

mkspllmn · 01-06-2010, 02:31 AM

Does it matter how it happens?

Accident, disease, suicide?

Does the method have any effect in what happens after or is death just death no matter how it happens?

mudra · 07-13-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation.

Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

I wrote to the dalai lama a few years ago and he specified in his answer that this is his last incarnation on earth. I believe masters and wise men incarnated on this earth voluntarily with a purpose in mind and a goal to reach.And so is the case of many lightworkers that are around today.

Loving kindness
mudra

orthodoxymoron · 07-17-2009, 06:35 AM

Thank-you for the great post J rod7. I'll have to read it several times. It contains a lot of good, concise information.

I try to follow the words of Christ...but I currently believe in reincarnation. In principle and concept, at least...they harmonize. I hope the following sermonette is not too theological or preachy. It's a bit of an off-topic non-sequiter...but illustrates three theological perspectives. I identify with the last one...and this view is relatively easily harmonized with the concept of reincarnation. I don't follow eastern mystics...or chant, etc. I just think we should be ethical...and that we get recycled. When we are ethical...we create a better world to get reincarnated back into. It's all about quality of eternal life...and not whether I am going to be 'saved' or not. I think we all get recycled...whether we are good or bad...but we should still be good!

I wrote the following some time ago...and I have recently decided that the concept of God is problematic to the max. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I tend to think that this applies to all beings in the universe. Conceptualized ideals are helpful...and there is a certain divinity which resides within humanity...and probably within reptilians and greys as well. I really don't know. So interpret my references to God in whatever manner which resonates with your views.

A debate that has raged for centuries is between those who say Jesus was just like us, and those who say He had an advantage over us. Both views state that Jesus perfectly obeyed the law of God from birth to death, and thus secured our salvation, by doing that which we could not do, and that by believing in Christ and His sacrifice, we are accepted by God, and saved for all eternity.

If Jesus was just like us, some believe that the substitutionary atonement is just the beginning, and that we can overcome sin just as Christ overcame sin, and indeed we must do this at the end of time, just before the return of Christ, in order to be saved. That we must stand before God without a mediator. They believe that if Jesus had an advantage over us, that the substitutionary atonement would not be valid. That it would be a hollow victory! They also believe that there is no excuse for sin, and that if there is, then the Devil is right and God is wrong!

Those who believe that Christ had an advantage over us state that Christ is the second Adam, and that He succeeded where Adam failed, and thus secured our salvation. And that there was no taint of sin whatsoever in Christ, both physically and spiritually. Further, that we, with our fallen sinful natures, can never, ever, live sinless lives until Christ returns and gives us new bodies and minds. That it is only by laying hold of the merits of the crucified Christ that we are accepted by God as though we had never sinned, and saved for all eternity.

The first option tends to lead toward legalistic perfectionism. The second option tends to lead toward irresponsibility. What fun!

I'm going to go way, way out on a limb, and say that these two views are delusion vs delusion! They both turn the old, old story of Jesus and His love into a fairy tale. They imply that God is a legalistic, perfectionistic, blood-thirsty monster who doesn't think we're good enough for Him. They are both sort of logical, when isolated from the realities of every day life, but they are utterly illogical when reality is clearly faced without distortion or rationalization.

I believe that Jesus was just like us, but that He was very, very spritually refined and developed, and that He demonstrated to the human race, the true character of God, and what we humans are capable of achieving, and indeed must achieve, to usher in the last great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world! By His sacrifice on the cross, Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us.

We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine.

J_rod7 · 07-17-2009, 07:36 AM

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Hello Orthodoxymoron,

You have made some important insight in your words: ...

"Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us.

"We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine."

This aligns with the Knowledge that we are all responsible for ourselves in every respect. We then have the obligation to gain further knowledge of the Laws of Creation for our Spiritual Growth. The Laws of Creation both Supersede AND include all the currently known Laws of the Universe, including the Laws of Nature, and all the laws of Science as 'subsets.'

So-called 'sin' is within the Laws which state = there must be polarity in all things, opposites in all things, and the necessity of Cause and Effect at work in all things. The conditions of living set up opportunities to make errors in our actions and in our thoughts. Growth comes when we recognize our errors and correct them, which learning process is at the heart of Spiritual Evolution.

Certainly, NO ONE is able to learn all the necessary lessons to obtain to perfection in one lifetime. Reincarnation IS the true reality, by which through literally millions of lifetimes, we are presented ever greater opportunities, ever greater challenges along each our individual paths. No one is ever given a problem or challenge beyond the individuals' current strength or ability to solve. By solving each in turn, we gain greater strength of Spirit for the next opportunity that comes to each of us.

In Peace

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mudra · 12-29-2009, 06:30 PM

mudra · 07-12-2009, 12:42 AM

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to "die before you die" --- and find that there is no death.

Eckhart Tolle - Stillness speaks

mudra · 07-12-2009, 12:44 AM

Reincarnation doesn't help you if in your next incarnation you still don't know who you are.

Eckhart Tolle

14 Chakras · 07-14-2009, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythm

Die to the little self

while still in the body ..

die to ignorance

greed

suffering

fear

control

and then realy live ...

and then realy die ...

finaly ....

put an end to it ...

off the wheel

the merry go round ...

You only need to die to the ego to gain eternal LIFE! There is no second death for those who choose life. To die before we die is to live eternally forevermore

and gain our true spiritual identity in the mind of God. We are infinite spiritual beings who live in the eternal Now, if only we would remember...

Mudra, I agree with you. It is time for a great harvest and many beings, millions embodied now will achieve full spiritual freedom within this lifetime.

I believe one of the major illusions we must break through is believing that only famous people who are outwardly very spiritual can change the world and achieve full enlightenment.

The Dalai Lama is a being with great momentums, however, there are many many beings with increible spiritual momentum's embodied around the world in very normal lives, and it is simply up to us to remember and take back our power. We live in a celebrity culture and it is time the people realized the power lies within them, not the famous person outside of them...

J_rod7 · 07-17-2009, 02:32 AM

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For the further evolution in our understanding of dying, I share this quote from my friend Jacob (aka: Phaethonsfire), who is a moderator at the FIGU Forums:

Life, Death, Rebirth and Love

In human life there are two things at the very least certain: The fact that you are alive, and the fact that it will end, those things are for the 'average everyday Earth-human' two of the very few certainty he has in his life, usually he is not aware that Creation is everywhere around him and in him as the tiny Spirit part that lives in him and even makes his existence possible in the material realm.

People have often a deep fear of death, and although death is inevitable, people ignore it because it frightens them, death is for many people still the end, after which they fall apart in oblivion according to their beliefs.

People have deep rooted fears about their loved ones, about losing their loved ones when they die, or vice versa when they die themselves.

True love, the one love that really connects people never dies, not even in death, it's the kind of love that will overcome the barriers of life and death altogether, it overcomes the barriers of time and space. Once a true love is existent between two people, nothing can destroy that.

If you have someone in your life, that you really love, like the Law of Love describes, and you feel the unity between you and that person, that feeling that is always there even when physically separated, by distance or in death, then you should know that the Love bond you have with the other is unbreakable.

Love comes in many forms, yet all love forms are based on the same Law.

It's the Law that Love is the bond of all life, and all existing things in the Universe and above, and that everything is a part of everything, indivisible, eternal and everlasting.

So, when you love your husband, wife, brother or sister, and death comes calling for one of them, then know that when there is love in you for your loved one, that they will always be a part of you, and know that in the next life, although not consciously, you will meet them again as friend, wife, husband, brother or sister, you will instantaneously feel a deep connection a bond that feels very good, yet very well known...like you know the other for years.

Love is the bond that keeps everything together, and a bond forged in love is unbreakable, in life, death and rebirth.

Go to: ...
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13...html#POST12124

Then scroll down to Jacob / Phaethonsfire post number 158 on this page.

In Peace ... The Light of Truth goes forth

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Gnosis5 · 12-30-2009, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

You only need to die to the ego to gain eternal LIFE! There is no second death for those who choose life. To die before we die is to live eternally forevermore

and gain our true spiritual identity in the mind of God. We are infinite spiritual beings who live in the eternal Now, if only we would remember...

Mudra, I agree with you. It is time for a great harvest and many beings, millions embodied now will achieve full spiritual freedom within this lifetime.

I believe one of the major illusions we must break through is believing that only famous people who are outwardly very spiritual can change the world and achieve full enlightenment.

The Dalai Lama is a being with great momentums, however, there are many many beings with increible spiritual momentum's embodied around the world in very normal lives, and it is simply up to us to remember and take back our power. We live in a celebrity culture and it is time the people realized the power lies within them, not the famous person outside of them...

The Dalai Lama is special -- just like you and me

Anyone who does his spiritual practices and carves out his path will achieve exponential gains, and because we are spiritually connected, your clearing will help others experience peace and balance.

With the internet and the abundance of spiritual teachers it is more available than ever before. Someone from Romania told me that Yoga used to be banned in their country!?!

Gnosis5 · 12-30-2009, 05:02 AM

I almost forgot about this experience:

At work we had hired an East Indian man to help us with a project. He told me that he knew of a Yogi who had said "goodbye" to everybody and left his body peacefully. Something twigged inside of me and I looked at that man and said to him, "I can do that". I don't know what made me say that, but for some reason at that moment I just knew that I could do that.

That weekend I went home and stayed in my room and gradually brought my breathing down to almost zero. No drugs, no depression or thoughts of suicide. I simply wanted to see if I could control the death process.

When my breath stopped and as soon as my heart started to slow down, I left my body and I saw a lot of "junk" attached to me and so I decided I did not want to leave my body with all that stuff attached. I had not really planned on permanently leaving anyways, just an experiment to see if I could.

As soon as I had that emotional response to what I saw, a tall being rushed in through the closed front door, ran right past me almost out the closed kitchen door, stopped and backed up to where I was and tickled me in the side.

The tickle made me laugh and therefore started up my breathing again. For good measure this being tickled me in the other side, and so I was good to go for another 7 years, it being 7 years ago now.

That being had an energy signature that was mine own, and I have always felt that being was myself from a future lifetime.

It did give me great comfort knowing that I could choose the wisest time to drop my body and do so peacefully and without shock. Of course, I will not be taking any "baggage" with me

Gnosis

futureyes · 12-30-2009, 06:43 AM

our existance ... on multi levels ... is circular ...
time does not exist ... we exist eternally ...
life and death ... is like a ride on a merry-go-round ...
we possess the free will to hop on and off anytime we choose ...
but the ride ... is never ending ...
as it always was ... it is in this moment ... and always will be ...

eternal ...

greybeard · 12-30-2009, 01:15 PM

Thanks for starting this thread Mudra and all who contributed.
Much wisdom here.
Like others have said here I believe we are in a very special moment in the evolution of mankind. Where it is taking us I don't know.
It may well be the last incarnation in human form for many of us. I hope so.

Those who have had out of body experiences tell a uniform story so for sure we exist without a body.

As has been said the ultimate death is death of the ego.

I believe that the moment of death is set at birth so there is no need to worry about that, enjoy life to the full.
Be kind to all life including your own no matter what---- for you are being kind to yourself.

Eckhart rarely speaks of ultimate truth but points to it.

One Eckhart quote from memory so it is probably not exact.

" There never was anyone there to do anything to you"

I cant remember the exact context so it can be understood in different ways.
It can be thought of as our view point of an enemy is just perceptual.
I prefer to see it from the concept of there being only the ONE. without second.

Chris
Namaste

12-29-2009, 08:44 PM	#1
Greenlander Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Oslo/Norway Posts: 1	Re: understanding death Thank you all for this forum When my father died I realized how much I loved him. I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose. Love Greenlander

12-29-2009, 10:55 PM	#3
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: understanding death I do not fear death at all. i do not want to say i welcome it either but certainly do not fear it, many fear leaving their families behind this is a human trait but we have many families in many past lives. Perhaps if we celebrated death the fear would not be so harsh perhaps celebrate is the wrong word but why fear something which is inevitable. Why be sad also lets embrace our moving on whether we choose to re incarnate or ascend. I will not be entering the tunnel or following the white light i will be looking out to the universe and joining back with the stars.

12-30-2009, 12:36 AM	#4
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death Realizations about Love are always important ones Greenlander as Love is your essence . When you learn about love you learn about you ...about who you really are. Love Always mudra

12-30-2009, 12:38 AM	#5
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death It seems Céline that in all these cases you have been witness to .. your mother and your children .. these souls opened and closed the door of life gently Love Always mudra Last edited by mudra; 12-30-2009 at 12:54 AM.

01-06-2010, 02:31 AM	#6
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: understanding death Does it matter how it happens? Accident, disease, suicide? Does the method have any effect in what happens after or is death just death no matter how it happens?

07-17-2009, 06:35 AM	#8
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: understanding death Thank-you for the great post J rod7. I'll have to read it several times. It contains a lot of good, concise information. I try to follow the words of Christ...but I currently believe in reincarnation. In principle and concept, at least...they harmonize. I hope the following sermonette is not too theological or preachy. It's a bit of an off-topic non-sequiter...but illustrates three theological perspectives. I identify with the last one...and this view is relatively easily harmonized with the concept of reincarnation. I don't follow eastern mystics...or chant, etc. I just think we should be ethical...and that we get recycled. When we are ethical...we create a better world to get reincarnated back into. It's all about quality of eternal life...and not whether I am going to be 'saved' or not. I think we all get recycled...whether we are good or bad...but we should still be good! I wrote the following some time ago...and I have recently decided that the concept of God is problematic to the max. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I tend to think that this applies to all beings in the universe. Conceptualized ideals are helpful...and there is a certain divinity which resides within humanity...and probably within reptilians and greys as well. I really don't know. So interpret my references to God in whatever manner which resonates with your views. A debate that has raged for centuries is between those who say Jesus was just like us, and those who say He had an advantage over us. Both views state that Jesus perfectly obeyed the law of God from birth to death, and thus secured our salvation, by doing that which we could not do, and that by believing in Christ and His sacrifice, we are accepted by God, and saved for all eternity. If Jesus was just like us, some believe that the substitutionary atonement is just the beginning, and that we can overcome sin just as Christ overcame sin, and indeed we must do this at the end of time, just before the return of Christ, in order to be saved. That we must stand before God without a mediator. They believe that if Jesus had an advantage over us, that the substitutionary atonement would not be valid. That it would be a hollow victory! They also believe that there is no excuse for sin, and that if there is, then the Devil is right and God is wrong! Those who believe that Christ had an advantage over us state that Christ is the second Adam, and that He succeeded where Adam failed, and thus secured our salvation. And that there was no taint of sin whatsoever in Christ, both physically and spiritually. Further, that we, with our fallen sinful natures, can never, ever, live sinless lives until Christ returns and gives us new bodies and minds. That it is only by laying hold of the merits of the crucified Christ that we are accepted by God as though we had never sinned, and saved for all eternity. The first option tends to lead toward legalistic perfectionism. The second option tends to lead toward irresponsibility. What fun! I'm going to go way, way out on a limb, and say that these two views are delusion vs delusion! They both turn the old, old story of Jesus and His love into a fairy tale. They imply that God is a legalistic, perfectionistic, blood-thirsty monster who doesn't think we're good enough for Him. They are both sort of logical, when isolated from the realities of every day life, but they are utterly illogical when reality is clearly faced without distortion or rationalization. I believe that Jesus was just like us, but that He was very, very spritually refined and developed, and that He demonstrated to the human race, the true character of God, and what we humans are capable of achieving, and indeed must achieve, to usher in the last great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world! By His sacrifice on the cross, Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us. We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 07-18-2009 at 02:18 AM.

07-17-2009, 07:36 AM	#9
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * Hello Orthodoxymoron, You have made some important insight in your words: ... "Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us. "We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine." This aligns with the Knowledge that we are all responsible for ourselves in every respect. We then have the obligation to gain further knowledge of the Laws of Creation for our Spiritual Growth. The Laws of Creation both Supersede AND include all the currently known Laws of the Universe, including the Laws of Nature, and all the laws of Science as 'subsets.' So-called 'sin' is within the Laws which state = there must be polarity in all things, opposites in all things, and the necessity of Cause and Effect at work in all things. The conditions of living set up opportunities to make errors in our actions and in our thoughts. Growth comes when we recognize our errors and correct them, which learning process is at the heart of Spiritual Evolution. Certainly, NO ONE is able to learn all the necessary lessons to obtain to perfection in one lifetime. Reincarnation IS the true reality, by which through literally millions of lifetimes, we are presented ever greater opportunities, ever greater challenges along each our individual paths. No one is ever given a problem or challenge beyond the individuals' current strength or ability to solve. By solving each in turn, we gain greater strength of Spirit for the next opportunity that comes to each of us. In Peace * * ***** Last edited by J_rod7; 07-17-2009 at 07:45 AM.

12-29-2009, 06:30 PM	#10
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death

07-12-2009, 12:42 AM	#11
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to "die before you die" --- and find that there is no death. Eckhart Tolle - Stillness speaks

07-12-2009, 12:44 AM	#12
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death Reincarnation doesn't help you if in your next incarnation you still don't know who you are. Eckhart Tolle

07-17-2009, 02:32 AM	#14
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * For the further evolution in our understanding of dying, I share this quote from my friend Jacob (aka: Phaethonsfire), who is a moderator at the FIGU Forums: Life, Death, Rebirth and Love In human life there are two things at the very least certain: The fact that you are alive, and the fact that it will end, those things are for the 'average everyday Earth-human' two of the very few certainty he has in his life, usually he is not aware that Creation is everywhere around him and in him as the tiny Spirit part that lives in him and even makes his existence possible in the material realm. People have often a deep fear of death, and although death is inevitable, people ignore it because it frightens them, death is for many people still the end, after which they fall apart in oblivion according to their beliefs. People have deep rooted fears about their loved ones, about losing their loved ones when they die, or vice versa when they die themselves. True love, the one love that really connects people never dies, not even in death, it's the kind of love that will overcome the barriers of life and death altogether, it overcomes the barriers of time and space. Once a true love is existent between two people, nothing can destroy that. If you have someone in your life, that you really love, like the Law of Love describes, and you feel the unity between you and that person, that feeling that is always there even when physically separated, by distance or in death, then you should know that the Love bond you have with the other is unbreakable. Love comes in many forms, yet all love forms are based on the same Law. It's the Law that Love is the bond of all life, and all existing things in the Universe and above, and that everything is a part of everything, indivisible, eternal and everlasting. So, when you love your husband, wife, brother or sister, and death comes calling for one of them, then know that when there is love in you for your loved one, that they will always be a part of you, and know that in the next life, although not consciously, you will meet them again as friend, wife, husband, brother or sister, you will instantaneously feel a deep connection a bond that feels very good, yet very well known...like you know the other for years. Love is the bond that keeps everything together, and a bond forged in love is unbreakable, in life, death and rebirth. Go to: ... http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13...html#POST12124 Then scroll down to Jacob / Phaethonsfire post number 158 on this page. In Peace ... The Light of Truth goes forth * * *****

12-30-2009, 05:02 AM	#16
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: understanding death I almost forgot about this experience: At work we had hired an East Indian man to help us with a project. He told me that he knew of a Yogi who had said "goodbye" to everybody and left his body peacefully. Something twigged inside of me and I looked at that man and said to him, "I can do that". I don't know what made me say that, but for some reason at that moment I just knew that I could do that. That weekend I went home and stayed in my room and gradually brought my breathing down to almost zero. No drugs, no depression or thoughts of suicide. I simply wanted to see if I could control the death process. When my breath stopped and as soon as my heart started to slow down, I left my body and I saw a lot of "junk" attached to me and so I decided I did not want to leave my body with all that stuff attached. I had not really planned on permanently leaving anyways, just an experiment to see if I could. As soon as I had that emotional response to what I saw, a tall being rushed in through the closed front door, ran right past me almost out the closed kitchen door, stopped and backed up to where I was and tickled me in the side. The tickle made me laugh and therefore started up my breathing again. For good measure this being tickled me in the other side, and so I was good to go for another 7 years, it being 7 years ago now. That being had an energy signature that was mine own, and I have always felt that being was myself from a future lifetime. It did give me great comfort knowing that I could choose the wisest time to drop my body and do so peacefully and without shock. Of course, I will not be taking any "baggage" with me Gnosis

12-30-2009, 06:43 AM	#17
futureyes Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: heart central Posts: 798	Re: understanding death our existance ... on multi levels ... is circular ... time does not exist ... we exist eternally ... life and death ... is like a ride on a merry-go-round ... we possess the free will to hop on and off anytime we choose ... but the ride ... is never ending ... as it always was ... it is in this moment ... and always will be ... eternal ...

12-30-2009, 01:15 PM	#18
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: understanding death Thanks for starting this thread Mudra and all who contributed. Much wisdom here. Like others have said here I believe we are in a very special moment in the evolution of mankind. Where it is taking us I don't know. It may well be the last incarnation in human form for many of us. I hope so. Those who have had out of body experiences tell a uniform story so for sure we exist without a body. As has been said the ultimate death is death of the ego. I believe that the moment of death is set at birth so there is no need to worry about that, enjoy life to the full. Be kind to all life including your own no matter what---- for you are being kind to yourself. Eckhart rarely speaks of ultimate truth but points to it. One Eckhart quote from memory so it is probably not exact. " There never was anyone there to do anything to you" I cant remember the exact context so it can be understood in different ways. It can be thought of as our view point of an enemy is just perceptual. I prefer to see it from the concept of there being only the ONE. without second. Chris Namaste