Information Liberation Analysis: "Earth 2100: New World Order Agenda on Primetime"

[NorthernSanctuary]

The numbers are a little bit off:

total area require = Area/person X 6.4 billion.

If you use 10 yard2/person= 90 sq. ft/person (1 yard =3 ft, 1yd2=1 yd x1 yd=3ft X 3 ft=9 sq. ft)

total area = 9X6.4 billion sq. ft.=57.6 billion sq ft= 57.6 x10 9 (power of 9)

1 sq mile=3,097,000 sq. yard=27,878,400 sq. ft

total area= 57.6 billion sq. ft X 1sq mi/27,878,400 sq. ft=2,045 sq mile. or within a city that is 25 mile wide by 25 mile deep.

The assumptions are wrong and not realistic in the required area per person. People need food, so you need room to grow that; the meat that people eat need more space also. Also a building takes more space than the living space. also energy production, transportation room etc. You have to look at the eco-system that is required to support the people, not just the people living space. Having said that, it may be possible for a well managed planet to support our existing population, but may impact other life on the planet.

So the answer is not clear, but there are errors in the calculation. Note that 25 mile square (25 mi X 25 mi) is not the same as 25 square miles (25 sq mi).

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

...The assumptions are wrong and not realistic in the required area per person. People need food, so you need room to grow that; the meat that people eat need more space also. Also a building takes more space than the living space. also energy production, transportation room etc. You have to look at the eco-system that is required to support the people, not just the people living space. Having said that, it may be possible for a well managed planet to support our existing population, but may impact other life on the planet.

So the answer is not clear, but there are errors in the calculation. Note that 25 mile square (25 mi X 25 mi) is not the same as 25 square miles (25 sq mi).

What's a researcher to do???!!!

Thanks...

[Lorien]

I recommend everyone check out the other thread in this section titled "HOME" which contains a link to a movie by Yann Arthus-Bertrand, or you can check it out HERE.

It is an excellent movie which has many facts about what we have done to our planet in just the last 100 years. The rate at which we as a species have multiplied is just mind boggling. And the rate at which we are consuming our precious resources and in turn destroying our planet must stop. We are slowly sucking every last drop of Blood from Mother Earth and she is slowly dying. We continue to strip thousands of acres of forests every year, depriving us of the very thing that creates the oxygen we breath. At what point do we stop?

Unfortunately I think I agree with some of what is said from this series and think that to make some people realize the truth we need to scare them. However the real solution lies in proper education of our children so that they are aware of how to live in balance with nature, and the importance of maintaining a clean and functional ecosystem.

The sad fact is that most issues could be solved, if only the people in charge were not motivated by greed and power. Free energy alone would solve 90% of the problems we face on this planet. And that free energy would help in the development of other resolutions to the remaining problems.

Especially her in the US we have a serious problems with excess. Obesity is at all time highs, people living in houses far to big for what they need, consuming more food and goods than most African countries.

Do we as a species need to slow down? Yes.

Do we need to regulate population growth? Yes. Are there safe and intelligent ways to do so? Yes.

Do we need to decrease it by some of the percentages these people recommend? Heck no.

[Humble Janitor]

Gotta agree with the folks that I generally disagree with on politics.

This whole scenario is insane. I do belive in enviromental stewardship TO A POINT.

I don't think punishing people for failing to recycle or taking too many showers is fair or reasonable.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Lorien

I recommend everyone check out the other thread in this section titled "HOME" which contains a link to a movie by Yann Arthus-Bertrand, or you can check it out HERE.

It is an excellent movie which has many facts about what we have done to our planet in just the last 100 years. The rate at which we as a species have multiplied is just mind boggling. And the rate at which we are consuming our precious resources and in turn destroying our planet must stop...

I haven't viewed the video yet.

In my mind, population growth and stewardship of the planet are two different things and I would like to separate them to simplify the discussion. I don't think anyone argues with the need to stop the indiscriminate use of resources...

But what's wrong with population growth? It seems that should take care of itself. Does the video present a convincing argument that we must slow or even stop our rate of growth? There's something about that concept that doesn't feel right to me...

[Steve_A]

Hi seashore,

I think the principal problem with population growth and stewardship of the planet is intelligence.

If we behaved and had the same intelligence as the rest of the animals on this planet, our population would be under better control. Animals' populations are determined by their environment whilst us humans try to change the environment to maintain the population in constant growth.

In the medical profession, they have brought what was once a fantasy of Frankenstein into the real world with heart, lung, kidney, bone marrow, even face transplants, offered to people who, under natures law would die a natural death.

Medicines have been discovered to combat dieseases which normally would have massacred whole populations. So really I think we could say that the human population is artificial and even to the point of being unnatural.

As for resources, there of course needs to be an increase of output to satisfy the demand of the needs of the population. These needs are not necesarily necessities, but desires of the population. We don't walk, we take a bus or drive a car. Our travelling is becoming greater (we spend two weeks holiday thousands of miles away from where we live for no apparent reason. Animals travel over large distances under their own steam for a purpose, either survival or to reproduce).

We are sucking the oil out of the ground and putting nothing back. The Earth could be becoming like a party balloon, empty inside, because of all the holes and tunnels and cavities that are being created to extract what is under the Earths' crust.

Is the world over populated? I think so. Not in terms of space. When I go to my farm I have 8 acres of space around me, but I do see more and more houses being built on land that shouldn't have them. Once we start to disturb the balance of nature, making concrete unplanned cities, destroying what is considered the lung of the Earth to produce food and raw material for even more housing and furniture, we are over populated.

Of course it is easy to say this without an answer, or rather a politically correct answer to the problem, we will keep in this state of limbo untill push comes to shove and a war breaks out, which may not resolve the situation all together, because modern day wars aren't yielding as many corpses as in the old days.

Solutions?

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by seashore

I haven't viewed the video yet.

In my mind, population growth and stewardship of the planet are two different things and I would like to separate them to simplify the discussion. I don't think anyone argues with the need to stop the indiscriminate use of resources...

But what's wrong with population growth? It seems that should take care of itself. Does the video present a convincing argument that we must slow or even stop our rate of growth? There's something about that concept that doesn't feel right to me...

[Seashore]

...In the medical profession, they have brought what was once a fantasy of Frankenstein into the real world with heart, lung, kidney, bone marrow, even face transplants, offered to people who, under natures law would die a natural death...

This is food for thought...

Medicines have been discovered to combat dieseases which normally would have massacred whole populations...

But we can't stop treating diseases!!

As for resources...These needs are not necesarily necessities, but desires of the population...

We do need to evaluate what we need and what we think we need... Good point.

We are sucking the oil out of the ground and putting nothing back. The Earth could be becoming like a party balloon, empty inside, because of all the holes and tunnels and cavities that are being created to extract what is under the Earths' crust.

Peak oil/fossil fuel has been touched on in another thread. I think this would be a good topic for its own thread... (But I don't have the energy to start it!)

Is the world over populated? I think so. Not in terms of space. When I go to my farm I have 8 acres of space around me, but I do see more and more houses being built on land that shouldn't have them. Once we start to disturb the balance of nature, making concrete unplanned cities, destroying what is considered the lung of the Earth to produce food and raw material for even more housing and furniture, we are over populated.

Okay now you've got me thinking... Not in terms of space... But in terms of disturbing the balance of nature...

I would like more information on that...

Of course it is easy to say this without an answer, or rather a politically correct answer to the problem, we will keep in this state of limbo untill push comes to shove and a war breaks out, which may not resolve the situation all together, because modern day wars aren't yielding as many corpses as in the old days.

We've been relying on wars in the past!!

There's got to be a better way...

[Steve_A]

Hi seashore,

Just to get you started:

http://www.bookrags.com/research/bal...ature-enve-01/

The rest can be 'Googled'.

Best regards,

Steve

[Seashore]

Just to get you started:

http://www.bookrags.com/research/bal...ature-enve-01/

The rest can be 'Googled'.

Thanks!

[Lorien]

Originally Posted by seashore

I haven't viewed the video yet.

In my mind, population growth and stewardship of the planet are two different things and I would like to separate them to simplify the discussion. I don't think anyone argues with the need to stop the indiscriminate use of resources...

But what's wrong with population growth? It seems that should take care of itself. Does the video present a convincing argument that we must slow or even stop our rate of growth? There's something about that concept that doesn't feel right to me...

It is impossible to separated the two Seashore. They are intricately connected. I think it's pretty obvious that the more people there are on this planet, the more resources we use, whether it be water, food, land, etc. And just as with any smaller scale biosphere, there is a point at which an area just can't sustain more life.

Our planet is reaching that point, IF we continue to live as we currently do. If we learned to produce more renewable goods and energy, we could learn to live more harmoniously with the planet and the population growth wouldn't be an issue. However for decades we have constantly increased our rate of reproduction and consumption and the planet can't keep up.

Unbeknownst to most the eugenics plans of some of the PTB are already in place and working. Every day hundreds if not thousands of children in third world countries die due to famine and disease that could be avoided. Big business has taken over the resources of countries all over the planet and reaps the benefit of it while the inhabitants live in shacks unable to feed their families.

Again, do I agree that we need to kill off millions of people, no. But we cannot continue to grow at the rate we have been for the past even 50 years, continue our current lifestyles, and expect to still be around 100 years from now. If they don't kill us off, we will kill ourselves off eventually.

[Unified Serenity]

Regarding "Especially her in the US we have a serious problems with excess. Obesity is at all time highs, people living in houses far to big for what they need, consuming more food and goods than most African countries."

Obesity here I think is directly linked to the **** they are putting in food and water that is designed to slow metabolism, keep you eating, and put on weight. Even restaurant food which could be made without MSG and other chemicals is bad for you, let's not even bring up "fast food". Yes, too many kids are glued to their video games and not playing outside, and adults are so busy working they don't get enough play time. Apparently Iodine deficiency can be blamed for many of the health woes, and when people are sick they are less likely to be active. Is it an evil plan or just stupidity on the part of Government and business to put bromine instead of iodine in bread, and flouride in drinking water?

As for people living in homes that are unnecessarily too big, I don't think that is the norm. But, I can't help those who live in grass huts, urinate in their drinking water source, and whose governments use food as a weapon to get young men in the military. I am not trying to make fun here, as I think if mankind did away with money, rulers, and simply pooled our resources where everyone had equal access to homes, food, education, and used the resources for free energy that DO EXIST most of our problems would cease to exist. But, I don't see the rulers / elites giving up their power and prestige. It's all about selfish egos.

It is awfully amusing that the elites like Al Gore have homes that use 20 times the average families energy consumption, fly in private jets etc and preach to the average American about global warming and wasting resources.

[Seashore]

Obesity here I think is directly linked to the **** they are putting in food and water that is designed to slow metabolism, keep you eating, and put on weight. Even restaurant food which could be made without MSG and other chemicals is bad for you, let's not even bring up "fast food". Yes, too many kids are glued to their video games and not playing outside, and adults are so busy working they don't get enough play time. Apparently Iodine deficiency can be blamed for many of the health woes, and when people are sick they are less likely to be active. Is it an evil plan or just stupidity on the part of Government and business to put bromine instead of iodine in bread, and flouride in drinking water?

I think that these things are by design, and we need to keep on keeping on waking up to this, and doing something about it.

... As for people living in homes that are unnecessarily too big, I don't think that is the norm...

Maybe it's not the norm, but I see it where I live, and I hate it. Makes me cringe...

[Seashore]

...If we learned to produce more renewable goods and energy, we could learn to live more harmoniously with the planet and the population growth wouldn't be an issue...

Shout it from the rooftops!

And let's get to work.

...Unbeknownst to most the eugenics plans of some of the PTB are already in place and working...

We must do something about this...