Obama is a fraud

[mntruthseeker]

Well all of this is very interesting and I find myself taking in the words on this particular post and I really have to chastise myself for even giving credence to what the thread was based on.

It stated that Obama is a fraud. Well, who then can tell me with all honestly that him running for president based on a lie makes him so wonderful?

Is Rense, Jones, Icke,Wilcox, Collier,Tsarsion,Arizona Wilder etc.....Illuminati's? Is Rotshchild?
So many astraunauts, nasa employees, movie stars, presidents, popes, are illuminati's and paid to get the message out to us and we listen and we know and are all given the opportunity to believe what we want.

I seen an article not too long ago regarding a channelled message of a dead illuminati........No matter what you may think, the x-illuminati's were here to do a job that they said they could do. They knew they would be hated and said............they could do this.

Can they be reformed? Yes, I like to beleive so.

Is it Obama that is forcing the Illuminati bankers to tumble and fall. I like to say NO, it is people like Rense, Jones, Ron Paul (and we all like him but do he says pretty much the same as Rense and Jones, if you really pay attention)

The United States of America is nothing more than a British Colony. The district of Columbia do not have to follow the constitution of the United States..............big joke, They do not get to vote in our elections. They do not have to pay taxes. Why do you think that is?

I fimly believe that the District of Columbia, Vatican and London are government by the Reptilians race under Satan.

People break away and try to get the word to us and they are killed.......so then I ask myself, why can Rense, Jones, Icke, Ron Paul and so many others get away with it? Are they all Illuminati puppets? Maybe but dont try and think if they are that Obama is excused. He is not the "second comming" as so many people believe he is. Not even close. He has been groomed for this job for years. The truth will be exposed but just like anyone else before him, he will be untouchable. If he was actually going to help us, he would be dead by now.

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall. We the people take credit for believing it will happen. I believe in Benjamin Fulford (another x illuminati) but at least he is doing something.

He is not ending the war............what a joke, he sent more troops. He is extending his so called Americorp to our young men and women. Just like Hitler......

So............Please tell me what I can thank Obama for? I would like to know.

I say thank you for making me stronger Obama and because of my distrust of you, I found the answer to what is going on in this world. Until you came into the picture, I was fool enough to believe that being a Democrat was wonderful and my love for the Clintons was blindly so, .............They are illuminati...............So thank you for opening my eyes because I investigated and found people on the internet that were willing to print their views.

Thank you David Icke, Jeff Rense, Larry Sinclair,Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Oathkeepers, IVAW,and thank you for this forumn and all their interviews.

[BROOK]

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall. We the people take credit for believing it will happen.


All true...

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Thank you David Icke, Jeff Rense, Larry Sinclair,Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Oathkeepers, IVAW,and thank you for this forumn and all their interviews.

And thank you for doing what you do as well. I never meant any harm in any of my comments, and the earlier one ("whining") I did make that was badly judged and I edited. I am sorry about that.

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall.

In the final analysis what matters above what Obama is or is not, it is where we can go from here. The bigger picture. Yes I maintain he is of light, but that's ok its only my opinion, and in any case it is too soon for that to be evident beyond doubt - he cannot come out yet, he would be killed.

Instead he has to play a nasty game. I hope he can keep tilting the odds towards the light - and if he can then he is going to massively change the way we live our lives through the next two or three years. For example: The FED is going to be dead soon - in all liklihood the US dollar will fail. So what if Obama gives the FED more powers. It makes no difference. Big picture thinking by a clever and illumined mind.

What matters are that people are engaging in critical thinking and not swallowing the BS that is peddled both on the common media and increasingly on the underground "conspiracy media". I think Wilcock is right. The psyops teams have found a way to defocus the minds of a huge set of those who are starting to search outside the mainstream media for answers.

So beyond even the importance of critical thinking, I would urge people to look not at what is written on your computer screens but take a long hard look at the information through the lens of your own hearts. I expect that none of here have that down to perfection yet, and so it is still likely that many of us will see subtle differences. We will still have our different points of view.

When I look through mine I see the daybreak is not to far away, and there is a glorious enlightened future for many of us on the horizon - and I strongly believe with my heart that Obama - one way or another - is a big factor in this. I don't care about anything else. I would prefer it if the doubts over his eligibility could be cleared up and all the faked evidence, fake tapes, fake birth-certs etc could be destroyed - but to me it doesn't matter - the game is in play right now. If Obama is of the light, then he deserves my support, and on that single condition alone he will get it.

I was reading Charlie Chaplin's "Great Dictator" speech again today and I was struck by this passage which apparently follows it in the film.

Hannah, can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up Hannah. The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world - a kindlier world, where men will rise above their hate, their greed and their brutality. Look up, Hannah! The soul of man has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow - into the light of hope, into the future, the glorious future that belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, Hannah... look up!"

That is what we are facing soon. The sun is breaking through, but a lot of people can't see it yet and that is very sad. Each of us have the light of this new era within us. The light pours in and to the extent you let it, is powering your awaking forward at blistering speeds.

Many don't get it. They will phase out of this existence. Each makes the choice.

I also believe that everyone here does or will get it soon - and it is my pleasure to share the ride with you into the light of the coming new paradigm that will define our lives going forward.

A..

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Anchor

...Yes I maintain he is of light... in any case it is too soon for that to be evident beyond doubt - he cannot come out yet, he would be killed...

Please elaborate. Your opinion is that he cannot come out now, but he could come out later?

Do you believe he sought the office of the Presidency because he is of the light?

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by seashore

Please elaborate. Your opinion is that he cannot come out now, but he could come out later?

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.

Originally Posted by seashore

Do you believe he sought the office of the Presidency because he is of the light?

Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

[Phtha]

I find your views interesting to think about, they certainly couldn't be any more opposite to my beliefs.

I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington. I think these people in so called "high places" are the biggest slaves of all. I also don't consider Obama or anyone else on this planet better or worse then myself. I'm learning to give just as much credence to a random forum poster as I do any authoritative figure, because truth can be found locked within the words and not the source. We all have 'huge power', we just need to use it rather then give it away.
It takes a leap of faith in many circumstances to accept the fact that we don't need govern-ments or anything they offer.
Thanks politicians for all you have tried to do! But I can do it just fine on my own thanks.

Originally Posted by Anchor

Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

[14 Chakras]

"I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington."

Unfortunately, I agree. However, this is a big / massive part of the problem in the first place. Spiritually evolved people often avoid taking dominion over their planet, over their government. This is NOT a good thing. The void is filled by the most egotistical, the least spiritually evolved people to run the show. Those who sell out humanity for their own advancement.

What is required is NOT the abolition of government, anarchy is not the solution.

What is required is that the most spiritually evolved people, first: Go all the way and attain full enlightenment and second: Take dominion over the planet for the benefit and empowerment of all.

God is not going to fix this for any of us from outside of us, only from inside of us. So unless we step up to the plate and take back our world and take back our government, in a peaceful and wonderful way, then who will?

What is required is not abolition of government, what is required is enlightened leadership.

[tone3jaguar]

So how are things at the pentagon Waterman? Your fellow disinformation buddies in the cubicals next to you, how are they doing?

[Phtha]

Your right, if good people were in power then we certainly would have much more pleasant societies today , but the two just don't seem to fit togather. Maybe it could work, I have dwelled on it often and have not been able to come up with a workable system.

Anarchy however is nothing but a symbol of fear created to keep us enslaved. An-arch that must be crossed. I can only speak for myself, but if the govern-ment and all of its institutions did dissolve tomorrow, I wouldn't suddenly sport a huge green mohawk and start throwing televisions into windows. I can't think of one person I have ever met that would become criminaly insane just because man made laws don't exist. In fact criminals don't listen to laws anyways, laws only enslave the righteous.

We are all creative beings and don't need de-education institutions to learn, they hold us back by dumbing us down through mass suppression and blind acceptance to authority.

The people in power are doing nothing but dangling 'golden' carrots in front of our faces.... from cradle to grave mind... but we keep eating them, that's the problem... us.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

"I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington."

Unfortunately, I agree. However, this is a big / massive part of the problem in the first place. Spiritually evolved people often avoid taking dominion over their planet, over their government. This is NOT a good thing. The void is filled by the most egotistical, the least spiritually evolved people to run the show. Those who sell out humanity for their own advancement.

What is required is NOT the abolition of government, anarchy is not the solution.

What is required is that the most spiritually evolved people, first: Go all the way and attain full enlightenment and second: Take dominion over the planet for the benefit and empowerment of all.

God is not going to fix this for any of us from outside of us, only from inside of us. So unless we step up to the plate and take back our world and take back our government, in a peaceful and wonderful way, then who will?

What is required is not abolition of government, what is required is enlightened leadership.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Your right, if good people were in power then we certainly would have much more pleasant societies today , but the two just don't seem to fit together.

We are all creative beings and don't need de-education institutions to learn, they hold us back by dumbing us down through mass suppression and blind acceptance to authority.

I see the future as one with enlightened leadership rather than no leadership.

That being said, I completely agree that we do not need these elite companies and governments, they really just get in the way of the free market and of the power to the people. For example, we're operating under the illusion we need big banks and big government to take care of us, and really they just destroy the value of everything we create. We print more money and devalue our dollar to 'save' the companies and system that is destroying us. "Too big to fail" is something we've collectively agreed on, and it's a lie.

So yes, we don't need these guys or their crappy systems, which is more like a parasite than something helpful, but, the future will have enlightened, empowering governments, rather than no governments at all... and it will take the most spiritually evolved people to stand up and take dominion over their government and their planet rather than thinking leadership is only for the spiritually un-evolved... that's an illusion too.

Moving into some cave and meditating our whole lives, is not why we were born into north American society, we are here to be IN the world, just not of it.

Change that's is needed will come from us, not from outside of us, and unfortunately, not from media created sensation Obama!

[peaceandlove]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I see the future as one with enlightened leadership rather than no leadership.

That being said, I completely agree that we do not need these elite companies and governments, they really just get in the way of the free market and of the power to the people. For example, we're operating under the illusion we need big banks and big government to take care of us, and really they just destroy the value of everything we create. We print more money and devalue our dollar to 'save' the companies and system that is destroying us. "Too big to fail" is something we've collectively agreed on, and it's a lie.

So yes, we don't need these guys or their crappy systems, which is more like a parasite than something helpful, but, the future will have enlightened, empowering governments, rather than no governments at all... and it will take the most spiritually evolved people to stand up and take dominion over their government and their planet rather than thinking leadership is only for the spiritually un-evolved... that's an illusion too.

Moving into some cave and meditating our whole lives, is not why we were born into north American society, we are here to be IN the world, just not of it.

Change that's is needed will come from us, not from outside of us, and unfortunately, not from media created sensation Obama!

Leaders Don't Create Followers, They Create More Leaders.

Posted by Doug.Bach on 04/18/09 12:05 PM

Right now there are hundreds of local groups meeting all over the country to promote the principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy through their grassroots efforts.

...this is a call to all members in all states to join this effort to help sow the seeds of freedom in every district and county in the country.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...cpg=1#comments




I was particularly impressed with this blog on the Campaign for Liberty website as I recalled immediately these sections of the Alex Collier transcript I posted at Project Camelot back in October 2008.


Alex Collier Contactee ... Message from the Andromedans
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4507

Alex Collier asks Vissaeus ~ Andromedan:
"What's going to happen to us? What is it that you want me to do?"

Vissaeus answers:
"This is how we foresee who you all become."

"Responsible freedom of self-determination becoming truly self-confident and free. To unconditionally be responsible for yourself without being coerced by some other authority."

Vissaeus continues:
"The most necessary action for all of your Terraview races who are aware is to do whatever you are capable of to eliminate your degenerated societies."

CORRECTION: RECENTLY I LISTENED TO THE VIDEO AGAIN THAT I TRANSCRIBED THIS FROM AND NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SAID ILLUMINATE AND NOT ELIMINATE. OOPS...I GUESS BOTH ACTIONS COULD BE EFFECTIVE IN DISARMING.

"Consciousness is your scale, it always provides balance, which does not ever fail. It speaks to those who listen and tells them what to do and what not to do. Not to one or all beings who choose to be evolved. The administrators of your government are responsible for professional order, but not your moral codes of order."

"The key to your happiness Terrans is in the hands of your own consciousness. We have perceived that you Terrans have arranged your lives not according to yourselves, but according to others."

"Your disappointments are due to this fact. This kind of conduct of yours is what is limiting your races. Each one of you is a free soul, a free consciousness. No one is the servant or slave of anyone else. Though the hidden ones will trick you to believe otherwise. Mutual respect is imperative for a healed planet and race. Our help is being extended to you if you so want it . Because of your genetic lineages to our races we would like to be there with you during your difficult times. Today your planet and your race destroys itself in ignorance."

"The goal is to recover the genuine human beings lost deep within yourselves."

"And try to always be at one with yourself."

Alex explains:
"In Andromeda one of the things that they stress is creating a race of leaders. In that leadership everyone has a responsibility to not only be a leader themselves but to make a leader of everyone else. And in that, everyone moves together. There may be varying different degrees, but everyone moves together. This is something that they have stressed over and over and over again. They have also stressed being as close to nature as possible."

ILLUMINATE THE ILLUMINATI!

Copied from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...hlight=leaders

[lemon_sky88]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.



Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

I have to agree I feel the light side of Obama. I see a dark side the hovers around him rather than manafesting from within maybe is the best way I can put it. I just canno tell how much of a hold they have on him. He chose his cabinet and it was a risky choice. I see two scinarios. Obama is a pupet now and the adjenda pushes on with out a key roadblock needed for us the awakend. Or Or Or.... He could actually be attempting to dismantel the iluminati one by one. This would require him to draw each of them close and strike only when time is right. which may require him to make a few moves to through them off. Which to us would seem to be terrible moves which proves him to be a iluminati. But there could be great underlieing reason we miss due to secrect adjenda to dimantle the PTB. This task of his if he is who he puts him self out there to be, is a task that has been tried many times with little sucess so I stand behind him for now but do not have my mind totally made up as to weathe ror not its option one or twol thanks

[Jacqui D]

[SIZE="3"]I do not like to get into racial issues but something is nagging at me that Obama may just have been pushed through because the US has such a high neopolitan mix of races and let us not forget the lost votes of the last election!
A recount surprisingly got george bush jnr in.
I wonder if it was speculation on the PTB that wished this to look that the various race electors got their man so to say.

The fact that Obama actually made it in the whitehouse at all is something that would never of happened a few years ago, so yes they have an agenda they want to say "But you voted him in" they have no comebacks that way.
I think Obama is just another puppet as each and every president has been in the past, the ruling of any country goes a lot higher up than that, if you think whatever Obama has to say will make an Iota of difference (only) if they want it too.

If you visit the http://www.freemantv.com/articles/barackhenaten.shtml

There is some interesting info on there and Obama's conspracy of birthright is explained nicely, in fact who is this guy?/SIZE]

[mntruthseeker]

NO president is voted in and I will never believe that any election is honest.

Bush's recount has already been proven a fraud, as if we didnt know. The machines were rigged and I doubt he got even half the votes. I personally wanted Gore, what a fool I was............

Its a waste of time speculating. Right now Acorn is being investigated and up on charges of "dead men voting" It was plain to see what they were up to. I'm not saying a black man would not have one. won but it was time for one to win, pure and simple.

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it

[Jacqui D]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

NO president is voted in and I will never believe that any election is honest.

Bush's recount has already been proven a fraud, as if we didnt know. The machines were rigged and I doubt he got even half the votes. I personally wanted Gore, what a fool I was............

Its a waste of time speculating. Right now Acorn is being investigated and up on charges of "dead men voting" It was plain to see what they were up to. I'm not saying a black man would not have one. won but it was time for one to win, pure and simple.

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it

Spot on truthseeker you said it exactly how i wanted to. What's an election lol!!

[lemon_sky88]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it

I too believe this. However if I were a light worker that was to be sent on a mission to infultraite this vast army of darkness. I would need to wear there suit to even begin to think about getting past there first line defences which have kept the dark ones at the top of the ladder thus far. Im a very optomistic person and I think theres only one thing we can do about those decisions is see how this gose. Its time to step back and say no rather than through rocks and stones. communial/tribal living with barter and trade and no offical power grid are a few preminitions ive had that quite frankly i some times wish could be sped up processes so I can get on with livin free (the way they dont want me to live so they can have my power)

[mntruthseeker]

Yes, I love to think that is what is going on too. My husband and my son both tell me its so. Usually I am the guilable one in the house and I hope for the worlds sake they are correct.

We do have to make our own reality and I guess I better get busy with positive thinking.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.



Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

Anchor,

Have you changed these beliefs in any way?

[Anchor]

That is a specific question and the quote is out of context, so I will answer carefully.

Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.

Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

Everything in SeaGreen, I stand by, the stuff in Cyan was in retrospect woolly thinking and not properly thought through or researched and perhaps paraphrased too much. This does not imply that the SeaGreen stuff is based on research. The last paragraph definitely is not - that is nothing my gut intuition.

Does that answer the question?

Do you have any new information? (By that I mean hard facts and not media sensationalized innuendo).

A..

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Anchor

That is a specific question and the quote is out of context, so I will answer carefully.



Everything in SeaGreen, I stand by, the stuff in Cyan was in retrospect woolly thinking and not properly thought through or researched and perhaps paraphrased too much. This does not imply that the SeaGreen stuff is based on research. The last paragraph definitely is not - that is nothing my gut intuition.

Does that answer the question?

Do you have any new information? (By that I mean hard facts and not media sensationalized innuendo).

A..

Yes, it does, and I love the way you went about answering it. No changing the subject or getting nasty.

I don't have new information. I have not been participating much on the Obama threads. I focus on other things. But when you said Obama is of the light, I was amazed by the statement and had to find out more.

Thanks for your forthright answer!!