God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

[orthodoxymoron]

Please don't ignore this thread. This is not just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Is this subject too hard to think about? Is it perceived as being irrelevant? Or...is it just plain boring? Again...I would just like to hear various opinions and insights.

[lindabaker]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Please don't ignore this thread. This is not just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Is this subject too hard to think about? Is it perceived as being irrelevant? Or...is it just plain boring? Again...I would just like to hear various opinions and insights.

okay, I will read your first post. I will sincerely respond. You have requested feedback so many times that I'll read it. Perhaps it is the length of your post which makes it daunting...

[macrostheblack]

A still pond with ripples of positive change.

A person at a certain level of growth shall question the existence of god but in reality is questioning religion.

Religion is a safe guard that was initiated in the past to give order to us humans. We have followed this and evolved but also killed many defending our view upon God.

God is creator and you are a creator in your body!(what you percieve is what you get!). Religion is not god. The true path that matches religion is us with our views and feeling. We all have different opinion and that is what makes humanity unique AND now we doubt old beliefs for they nolonger carry wieght. This is perfection in the continual growth of a soul. God does not work by the impressions placed within a book. Those teachings where for a past human culture but with wisdom still carry meaning in some parts and in other not.

If man turns away from religion he shall unite and follow a path that leads to peace. Then man shall be closer to the God they where unsure of. If we shed our personal views and focus on others then there is paradise where we all just... share and grow together ... and in doing this get far closer to God than having seperate houses that preach this rule or that.

Sadly, those in control of religion know this and prevent a earth where all unite and help each other. To be true human would mean the end of the negative and simply a statement of love that would turn away needs for greed and power. We would all love each other like we do our children.

Stop feeling love only for those near and spread it to those elsewhere, bless them( think - I am glad to be present here with you), be happy and feel it, then send that energy to them. Treat the world as a close part of you. Like the relfection in the mirror that reveals a world around you that is here WITH you. (which we ignore ) Like the photgraph that reveals far more around you that was present when you had the pic taken(we only remember ourselves within it) . Share your happiness and love in your mind to someone who is a stranger, a person in need of help. Pray before sleep with joy for a suffering patient to heal - never focus upon the sickness, nor the pain they feel.

By doing such things you shall find that your own life changes and you see with more clearer eyes. Yes, you see and feel more painful realities but you also know that if you focus upon your happiness(with intent to share) and share it within the mind - then ripples occur.

These ripples clear the muddy waters that cloud our vision.

Clear waters display such beautiful sunlight.

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The S and L reference are powerful words that act to keep control(oh, there are far more powerful agencies at work), even when used in method to promote change. AVOID using them! Replace them from now on with L for Love, and S for Soul.(oh, we are more than we where told and no longer need the influence of a outdated control measures)

[macrostheblack]

When ones life and/of security falls apart the person in question thinks this is it!

They take in the reality of their situation and only see one sign - ruin.

Go to that sign post and you will find it is stuck on. (by you)

Peel it away and you will see another message that comes from you!

It says, "This route cannot be continued. Please follow this direction to return to peace within your life and heart"

How many of us stop and look for the real sign when things go wrong?

How many of us listen to our true self and not outside involvement that effects the real you?

There is always an answer that carries you best interests at heart and it comes from you - if you take the time to look.

[MyShadow]

all of this - the basis for these - are other people's ideas - conjugated and packaged into popular beliefs. You know in your heart what your truth is - just focus on that and all of this other "stuff" will dissolve into where it came from, yet it's important to experience it so you can come to this point.

[Mercuriel]

Evolutionary man finds it difficult to fully comprehend the significance and to grasp the meanings of Evil, Error, Sin, and Iniquity. Man has been very slow to perceive that contrastive Perfection and Imperfection produce potential Evil. He has been slow in perceiving that conflicting Truth and Falsehood create confusing Errors. That the divine endowment of "freewill choice", eventuates in the divergent realms of Sin and Righteousness. It is the persistent pursuit of Divinity that leads to the kingdom of God, as contrasted with it's continuous rejection, which leads to the domains of Iniquity.

The Gods neither create evil, nor permit sin and rebellion. Potential evil is time-existent in a universe embracing all the differential levels of perfection meanings and values. Sin is potential in all realms where imperfect beings are endowed with the ability to choose between Good and Evil. The very conflicting presence of Truth and Untruth, Fact and Falsehood, constitutes the potentiality of Error. The deliberate choice of Evil constitutes Sin. The willful rejection of Truth is Error, where the persistent pursuit of Sin and Error is Iniquity.

True and False Liberty

Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer Rebellion and the Adamic default, none of them has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of "Immature Evolutionary Mortals" to distinguish between true and false Liberty. True Liberty is the quest of the eons and the reward of evolutionary progress. False Liberty is the subtle deception of the "Error of Time" and the "Evil of Space". Truly enduring Liberty is predicated on the reality of Justice. Inherently, this is the understanding of Intelligence, Maturity, Fraternity, and Equity culminating in the expression of Liberty.

Liberty can be a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence - When it's motivation is Unintelligent, Unconditioned, and Uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality, and always regards Social Equity, Cosmic Fairness, Universe Fraternity, and Divine Obligations.

Liberty is suicidal when it is divorced from Material Justice, Intellectual Fairness, Social Forbearance, Moral Duty, and Spiritual Values. Liberty is simply nonexistent apart from Cosmic Reality and Responsibility, and ALL personality reality is proportional to it's Divinity relationships.

Unbridled Self-Will and unregulated Self-Expression equal Unmitigated Selfishness, which is the acme of Ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of Self, is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated Liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel Deception and License masquerading in the garments of Liberty, is the forerunner or precursor of abject Bondage and Suffering.

True Liberty is the associate of genuine Self-Respect whereas false Liberty is the consort of Self-Admiration. True Liberty is the fruit of one's self-control whereas false Liberty is the assumption of Self-Assertion. Self-Control leads to altruistic service whereas Self-Admiration leans towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual, in so much as they are willing to sacrifice their righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust Power over their fellow beings.

Even Wisdom is Divine and Safe, only when it is Cosmic in Scope, and Spiritual in Motivation.

There is no error greater than the type of Self-Deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of Power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these personalities of their Natural Liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against such Fraud, Unfairness, Selfishness, and Unrighteousness. It is only true and genuine Liberty that is compatible with the reign of Love, and the Ministry of Mercy.

It is extremely audacious that the self-willed creature encroaches upon the rights of their fellows in the name of their own personal Liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the Universe (The Creator and His Co-ordinates) stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of "will", and potentials of "personality"...

No being, in the exercise of their supposed personal Liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators. These priviledges of existence are duly respected by all their Loyal Associates, Subordinates, and Subjects.

Evolutionary Man has to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere. This is not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is a heritage of early evolutionary man, but on the worlds of normally advancing civilization, physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute and non-usage (That is, those Systems that are not under Isolation and Quarantine due to the Rebellion of a System Sovereign and then the Default of It's Adamic Material Son and Daughter).

The Theft of Liberty

With the Son, and in the Spirit, did God project eternal Havona, and ever since then, has been obtained the eternal pattern of "Co-ordinate participation" in Creation. This is more simply put as - Sharing. This pattern of sharing is the master design for every one of the Sons and Daughters of God who go out into space, to engage in the attempt to duplicate in time, the central universe of eternal perfection - Havona...

Every creature of every evolving universe who aspires to do the Father's will, is destined to become the partner of the time-space Creators in this magnificent adventure of experiential perfection attainment. Were this not true, the Father would have hardly endowed such creatures with creative free will, and neither would he indwell them as the Thought-Adjuster to actually go into partnership with them by means of his own spirit. That said, the path of the Co-creator is one in which You are willing to share in it's contruction, while at the same time respecting every free willed creature's desire and birthright to do the same.

Lucifer's folly was the attempt to do the nondoable. To attempt to short-circuit time in an experiential universe. Lucifer's crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania (Our Local System), which was the unrecognized abridgment of the creature's personal participation - Freewill participation that is - In the long evolutionary struggle to attain the status of "Light and Life" both individually and collectively.

In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your System placed the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God's will as it is revealed in the bestowal of free will upon all personalized creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible infringement of the freewill choice of the Ascenders and Servers of the System of Satania. This was a threat to forevermore deprive EVERY ONE of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the slowly erecting monument of experiential wisdom, which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania.

Thus does Lucifer's manifesto of Personal Freedom, masquerading in the vestments of Liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a monumental threat to encapsulate the theft of personal liberty and do it on a scale that has been approached only twice in all the history of Nebadon.

In short, what God had given men and angels Lucifer would have taken away from them, that is, the divine privilege of participating in the creation of their own destinies and of the destiny of this local System of Inhabited Worlds.

No being in all the universe has the rightful liberty to deprive any other being of it's true liberty, which is the right to love and be loved, as well as the privilege of worshiping the Prime Creator and of serving Your fellow aspects of First Source.

[777 The Great Work]

God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

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[Carol]

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