Is 2012 Doom and Gloom Fiction?

[tone3jaguar]

My observation was that he is an excellent historian and a not so good profit. He was going for the profit role with the predictions and it just did not work out. This does not however take away from the truthfullness and accuracy of the rest of the presentation. Who knows, maby multiple versions of Ian Continued down parallel timelines where the scenario he predicted did happen.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

My observation was that he is an excellent historian and a not so good profit. He was going for the profit role with the predictions and it just did not work out. This does not however take away from the truthfullness and accuracy of the rest of the presentation. Who knows, maby multiple versions of Ian Continued down parallel timelines where the scenario he predicted did happen.

Please clarify your use of the word "profit" in this post... Is it a misspelling or sarcasm/satire?

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by seashore

Please clarify your use of the word "profit" in this post... Is it a misspelling or sarcasm/satire?

yes I ment prophet, I type about 100 WPM and rarely grammar check forum posts

[tone3jaguar]

You guys are missing the point of the presentation, instead of seeing the obviously accurate interpretation of what the Calendar actually maps out, some of you are nit picking because a guy that is now no longer living tried his hand at predicting the future for the first time and it turned out that he was not any good at it. Forget about what he said was going to happen logistically, get outside your judgmental boxes and see the total picture of the message.

[Northern Boy]

You can not discount what some one says because one little part of what`s said does not come to pass. If we went by that assumption Nostradamus works would have never been published, did everything Edgar Cayce ever said happen there are things out side of what we see and feel everyday that has the ability to alter the course of the future many do not take this into consideration

[Seashore]

...a guy that is now no longer living...

This is irrelevant.

[tone3jaguar]

What ever it takes to be right, even if it means ignoring the truth. Whatever, good luck with that.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

... ignoring the truth...

What truth is that?

[tone3jaguar]

If you can't see the eloquent truth in how that Baktune calendar is structured based off of that presentation then I am not going to be able to get you to understand it here. He accidentally jumped to conclusions about what would transpire in the future. So what? Big deal? You are going to allow a mistake he made in trying to extrapolate what would happen in the future negate all the extraordinary information he had about the past and the accuracy of that calendar?

The whole point that he was trying to make in the presentation is that the Universe is evolving on a set schedule. Moreover on certain dates there are huge shifts in the over all theme of consciousness of the Universe that effect all that lies within it. You are going to throw out all of that because he was wrong about the future?

If you want to go back to Early November 2008, that is when the 6th day of the calendar started. That marked the spot where the power consciousness would begin to be completely purged from our experience. Then by the end of the 7th day things are supposed to have transformed drastically enough that the world would now be run by ethics. Think about what has happened since then. Corporations the world over have been exposed for the unethical policies they adopted in the quest for POWER! One after the other they are going down in flames. Once it is all said and done, you can pretty much bet that there wont be any business entities or government officials that will not be exposed for their POWER based, unethical behavior.

Ian assumed that when it came time to give up the white house that the bushes would fight to keep it, and all kinds of crazy stuff would happen. He was not aware that both parties are actually controlled by the same groups of people. If he had known that, his guesses would have been much closer to the truth.

So you see, the general over all theme of what the calendar was showing would happen to consciousness at this time is indeed occurring. The new vibration of ethics is flushing out the old vibration of power. Now it is not happening as fast as some of the more impatient of us would like. However I am great full that it is not happening to fast. When it happens really fast it is called a World War. Relax, sit back, and watch the Power Consciousness be cleansed from he planet over the next couple years, then come back and try to tell me that there was not truth in that presentation.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

If you can't see the eloquent truth in how that Baktune calendar is structured based off of that presentation...

I definitely see the eloquent truth of his interpretation of history. The grand sweep of history. Yes, indeed. Part 1 was excellent.

[Swanny]

I think Nostradamus was stoned

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I think Nostradamus was stoned

You crack me up!!

[lemon_sky88]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I think Nostradamus was stoned

I think were all stoned !!! Actually He used techniques to put himself out of his mind or (stoned) in order to have his visions. I caint remember all the details but I watched a program that shows some of his methods and it involved going with out sleep for days on end. Not eating for periods of time. Theres alot more but I caint remember it all.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

...Corporations the world over have been exposed for the unethical policies they adopted in the quest for POWER! One after the other they are going down in flames...

The taxpayer is the entity in the hot seat right now--not corporations.

We have a lot of work to do.

[Seashore]

truthseeker,

Can you answer my question about Calleman's claim on this thread?

[Pomguymguy]

As we are co- creators with the ALL - then what are we all here for?

No Worries - The Universe is expanding - it's ALL POSITIVE guy's

[David]

Just thought this was fitting.

Aerosmith - Livin' On The Edge

YouTube - Aerosmith - Livin' On The Edge

[asteram]

Seems like a good place to post this once more.

The Actual Astronomy of 2012

http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...astronomy.html

Hint: The alignment happened in 1998. Notice anything different since then? I do.

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by asteram

Seems like a good place to post this once more.

The Actual Astronomy of 2012

http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...astronomy.html

Hint: The alignment happened in 1998. Notice anything different since then? I do.

Great post thanks Asteram.

[truthseeker]

Hi folks,

I’m back from Wales. Had a great holiday (thank you Burgundia for wishing us well on our hols). Had a lot of rain, but also plenty of sunshine between.

All,

It is only necessary to read one of the three lengthy comments that I posted back in 2008 to get the gist of the perspective on 2012 that I find most accurate. The three comments are, to a large extent, copies, each with additional material relating to the subject matter of the threads concerned. I also recommend a close scrutiny of John Major Jenkins’ website (http://alignment2012.com/), particularly his dialogue with Calleman and critique of same. See the following links: -

http://alignment2012.com/Calleman-debate.html
http://alignment2012.com/Exchange-in-2000.html
http://alignment2012.com/MayanCalendarBasics.htm
http://alignment2012.com/eldersand2012-exchange.html
http://alignment2012.com/debate2001.html

Also take a look at his critique of Jose Arguelles’ Dreamspell theory, which also does not reflect the true long count of the Maya (see http://alignment2012.com/following.html.)


I know my Avalon posts and the dialogue between Jenkins’ and Calleman are all a bit long-winded, but if you really want to begin to understand 2012 and the Mayan long-count calendar, you do need to explore these critiques of some of the main players in the 2012 movement. Don’t accept my word for it. Do your own homework and research. There is so much rubbish out there on 2012 and the Mayan calendar. Lots of writers are cashing in on it. There is some very sloppy ‘research’ out there, which is presented as fact, when in truth much of it is wild speculation, misinformation, disinformation, strongly held belief/opinion, plane fantasy or any combination of the above.

Seashore,

Personally, I feel inclined to take Calleman’s (& thus Lungold’s) understanding on the Mayan Calendar with a pinch of salt. With regard to the statement that “the Cosmic Tree of Life at the center of our universe behind these quantum shifts was discovered by modern science only in 2003”, I have no knowledge of such a discovery. However, I suspect this is another of Calleman’s distortions.

Tone3Jaguar,

I would be really interested to here your take on Jenkins’ dialogue with Calleman and his critique of his perspective (see above links). It is a long read though. Jenkins has a very spiritual perspective on 2012 and the long-count calendar. However, to my mind, his is a much more grounded spirituality than that proclaimed by Calleman.

Asteram,

That is an excellent link (http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...astronomy.html) on the true astronomy of 2012 and the galactic alignment. I recommend all of you read this piece by Thomas Razzeto.

Taadev,

With reference to the original audio/video you presented, here is the full unedited (almost two hours) version (http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/pl...20_44_37-08_00). This is certainly a mainstream academic (one of the more open-minded ones) perspective on the Mayan Calendar and 2012. It is definitely worth listening to the longer version to get a better perspective on the academic view. There is an equally long follow up audio/video, also hosted by Jan Irvin, where he interviews John Major Jenkins (see http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/pl...00_07_50-08_00). This, to my mind, represents a more balanced view on 2012 and the Mayan Calendar.

Look forward to some more responses from you guys.

Best Wishes,

Truthseeker (Andrew)

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

...Seashore,

Personally, I feel inclined to take Calleman’s (& thus Lungold’s) understanding on the Mayan Calendar with a pinch of salt. With regard to the statement that “the Cosmic Tree of Life at the center of our universe behind these quantum shifts was discovered by modern science only in 2003”, I have no knowledge of such a discovery. However, I suspect this is another of Calleman’s distortions...

Thank you, Andrew, and thank you for sharing your careful research with us!

[taadev]

I've found when one is predicting events based on intuition or whatever it is that "speaks" to us internally, the exact timing is the most difficult thing to be accurate.

He really put himself out there with these events however, that seem to not have materialized in mass, but many report going through something very unusual.

What I found interesting was the tie, to the date, in to the I Ching predictions of Time Wave Zero. (Pls ignore the fact someone put an Aztec calendar; I doubt it was McKenna.




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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

You guys are missing the point of the presentation, instead of seeing the obviously accurate interpretation of what the Calendar actually maps out, some of you are nit picking because a guy that is now no longer living tried his hand at predicting the future for the first time and it turned out that he was not any good at it. Forget about what he said was going to happen logistically, get outside your judgmental boxes and see the total picture of the message.

[David]

Only our time will tell...

[burgundia]

predicting the exact time is like playing lottery, one day you'll win something. In I-Ching any number may signify a day, a month or a year. So if you get a number 5 for example, the event may occur within 5 days, 5 months or 5 years. I-Ching also say that if you know what might happen and if you take a given action, an outcome may change...for better or for worse, depending on your move.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by burgundia

...I-Ching also say that if you know what might happen and if you take a given action, an outcome may change...for better or for worse, depending on your move.

To me, this is saying we don't know what is going to happen...

It seems to me that any predictions people make should be made with humility. This is the direction I see that we are moving toward. Not, this is what is going to happen.