A different look at G.W.Bush

[Kahunamahalo]

And besides, why should we believe anything that Putin has to say?

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

And besides, why should we believe anything that Putin has to say?

Why not? His opinion as a leader is just as valid as any other leaders.

[Kahunamahalo]

Uh huh...

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Uh huh...

Do you somehow have a problem with him because of his nationality, or his country? Do you not like him as a person?

Why would you immediately dismiss him out of hand?

[Kahunamahalo]

3 letters...KGB

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

3 letters...KGB

Did he create the KGB?


I believe in the United States we have something similar.. two branches actually.. FBI and CIA..

[Kahunamahalo]

Yes we do, and I don't trust them either. Why would you defend an ex KGB officer? Nothing good ever came from that organization.

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Yes we do, and I don't trust them either. Why would you defend an ex KGB officer? Nothing good ever came from that organization.

I am not defending anyone. I am asking why you would dismiss him out of hand.

Many Vietnam vets did some pretty bad things that they were ordered to do. I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.

This world is not black and white. There are nuances and shades of grey.

A spectrum if you will

Right----------------------iffy----------------------------Wrong


Where things lie on that spectrum is the key to finding balance.

[Kahunamahalo]

Uh huh

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Uh huh

Right.
Do you understand the words that I am typing?

[Kahunamahalo]

You've no argument.

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

You've no argument.

Much like your uhhuhs and dismissive nature? Naturally. You will believe what you will believe, and I will believe what I believe.

My reasoning to consider his opinion valid is because of external factors including the memoirs of people in Bush's Administration. Your argument is based on him being a former 'kbg' operative (or at least that is the reasoning you've placed on the forum). I also do not dismiss people out of hand unless they've given me a reason to do so with their tone or abrasive nature with me personally.

[Kahunamahalo]

Listen, obviously you are not changing my position and I am not trying to change yours, believe what you want. Anything beyond this point is wasting HD space on the server. Time to move on.

[Orion11]

well said, kah.

[Jenn]

I just couldn't imagine what it was like growing up in that family...
Brainwashed from birth?! What poor soul chose to come back as him???

[Carol]

George Bush has years of alcohol and substance abuse (cocaine) under his belt so-to-speak. This man has all of the ear-marks of someone who has significant brain damage from his chronic drug use, which anyone in the field will also tell you impairs judgment. He is but a mere puppet of the Cheney cartel which is headed up by pappy Bush.

[lohiaaditya]

Hey,

I respect all your opinions but please I request you to avoid clashing with anyone who does not think similar to you, let it be it wont help anyone. Just post your opinions and constructively build on it. Period.

Well my personal viewpoint, I think that Vladimir Putin is a supposedly good person or a leader. I may be wrong. If you look at the current Georgia situation, and if you have been reading stuff other than CNN and BBC you would know how much the western media is filtering and showing him as a aggressor which he is not. I also understand that every leader of every nation looks at their own benefits, and I think there is nothing wrong with that because if the leader doesnt then no one will. So if Putin is thinking in favour of Russia then I think there is nothing wrong with it, but the difference between him and the other leaders is that, he 'seems' to be supporting the truth and others, which you can clearly see, are spreading false fear and hatred and wrong information. By looking at this you can clearly see that everyone associated with the US admin is lying. I am not referring to the 'people' of US, only the admin. I dont think people anywhere in a majority would ever agree to violence.

Based on these things I feel Putin among the available choices is the most trust worthy leader. Even better, only trust yourself. But for anyone inclined towards politics, I think that Putin would be the most trust worthy choice. Well thats my opinion.
We know that Putin was a KGB, but we do not know why he was there and what he did and was he mind controlled or not. If we say anything it I believe would be speculation at best. But I read an article at lamecherry and I got the link somewhere in this forum about him being mind controlled, anyone aware of lamecherry please read that its a good read. But again that could be wrong and maybe he is actually a very bad person etc, my opinions are only based on what I have come to understand by situations unfolding around us, and by reading all forms of media.

[mkpetrov]

Or Putin is just as bad as Bush? Makes much more sense.

[EchosLament]

Also if you read Scott McClennan's book you will find a similar tale.According to Mr. McClennan, G.W.Bush really believed in what he was doing. It was sold to him on the premise of saving lives without properly judging the repercussions or blowback from the decisions that were made in haste as well as things that had been planned long before.

[Kahunamahalo]

Oh brother, thats rich. And you are trying to change my opinion because?

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Oh brother, thats rich. And you are trying to change my opinion because?

I could never change someoone's opinion. That lies within the person holding it. I am asking why would feel this way.

[coppercondor]

yea im not to worried about Putin, Its PALIN im worried about *shudders*

[EchosLament]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

And besides, why should we believe anything that Putin has to say?

Sounds like trying to change a view to me... But I am just wasting server space.