I am calling out Dan Burisch

[Ravens and Doves]

When a person has his friends close and his enemies closer - and a few thousand neutrals in between - and your phone tapped and your parakeet chipped with AI (I imagine) - expcect some pretty wild, out-of-character behavior and statements.

My uncle worked at Gloom Lake (and elsewhere). He said he'd tell us kids what he did there only on his death bed. He died of a stroke that left his brian unable to let his mouth speak or his hand do much else but make strange signs (Dan also had a stroke).

We are in Rome and Dan is among those in the Puzzle Palace.

I don't know what he wrote, yet, but I know he's not being untruthful when it comes down to what he said in his initial interviews on Camelot. That's good enough for me.

If he and his wife are doing real harm to Kerry and this community and are not in the black-op cross hairs, that something different, but with cross hairs come little lazer beems and I, for one, almost caused some serious damage to an innocent person - and went a bit psycho - thinking something that wasn't true.

I need to go to Eagles and get back to yallz, but believe me, he's walking in a pair of shoes that are not on sale in the mall and I'll always like the man.

Paul

www.ravensanddoves.com

[tone3jaguar]

You can find what he wrote about Kerry and Camelot over in the News and Reports section of Avalon in the thread with Dan Burisch in the title.

[day]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

You can find what he wrote about Kerry and Camelot over in the News and Reports section of Avalon in the thread with Dan Burisch in the title.

Thanks Jag for pointing out two things, when someone attacks unjustly, such as the attack on Bill and Kerry from Marcia and Dan, your antenna shot straight up and you brought it out in the open on the forum.

Second point is how you pointed out that this began because of what happened when Dan supported vaccinations. The whole scenario shifted, Dan and Marcia felt attacked, and then attacked Bill and Kerry - Their comments about the crystal seemed way off base, implying that Kerry had somehow tried to jeopardize the Lotus Project by giving a defective crystal, and how they were in need of apologies for the outburst from the audience... yes something is way off base.

We all want to be charitable and keep things cool, especially now with global vaccinations etc. but a perspective also needs to be kept. Its unfortunate that this happened in Zurich but when push comes to shove, another side emerges during stressful situations.

Psychic attacks could be responsible for some of it, but what about character? Do the actions of Dan and Marcia imply that felt they were doing Bill and Kerry a favor for coming to the conferences? Couldnt it also be the opposite as well?

its a great thread, and glad that you took a stand

[14 Chakras]

It is good to tell it like we see it I agree with this!

I personally believe it's very important for all seekers of truth to avoid group think at all times. Discernment comes from within.

I personally believe a big part of the problem with humanity at this stage is that it's natural for us to look for someone outside of us that has all the answers.

That's not gonna happen folks until we have fully enlightened Christ beings walking the planet (and they are going to help you to connect to the answers within you!), Burisch is obviously not one of those yet (I say yet, because I believe all people have the potential to overcome their egos and be reborn into the Christ Consciousness).

I want to post more on this thread, but am busy for the weekend.. so next week...

One of my thoughts in general for the search for truth is: Keep up the great debate, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater!

[cosmictexan]

The latest update from Dr. Dan Burisch

BREAKING NEWS!
Researcher blames Dan for uproar at Barcelona conference - that DAN DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND!!!!!

Dr. Dan Burisch, noted Area-51 scientist who blew the whistle on Area-51 secrecy, the existence of an extraterrestrial housed in a secret lab beneath Groom Lake (S-4) and exposed the truth about the time-paradox and looking glass technology, "Refuses to Play Ball" in Zurich.

Called a "Hero" and cheered by the good people at the Volkshaus, Dan Burisch is later accused of "Not Appeasing" the mob . (Click Here to read
more )

http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/backpage_1.htm

What really happened in Zurich? And what happened after?
What prompted the conference organizer to later write Dan saying: "If you do not trust me for any reason, then all is lost."
What is lost? Their sacrifial lamb?
Well, I've got news for them, the Eagles are not going to be served up on the 'half-shell' for them, or for anybody else.

Imagine (given the clever maneuvering of the vaccine question into the panel discussion, and the publicity generating firestorm it created) .... imagine what the Eagles would have been walking into if they were still willing to go to the L.A. conference?

No.... The answer is Absolutely No. What do they think - that the Eagles went through all those years of education and managed to survive the hard crucible of experience with Majestic, without being able to recognize a bungled attempt to manipulate public opinion at their expense? Publicity at any price, is that it? The Eagles have sharp eyes - they get it - the conference organizers don't care if they endanger their guest-speakers, as long as they get a few more dollars at the gate? Right?

Wrong. (coming next.....)

I can't seem to find anything about Barcelona at all. I'm confused. He never states which researcher he is talking about but I think he is talking about David Wilcock (that is MY opinion) I have read David's blog about the trip to Zurich and a lot of the info in the above link goes along with the blog. Here is the link for David's blog and you be the judge. Zurich trip is about half way through the blog.

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=482&Itemid=70

[franciejones]

Sheeple. not worth it

[14 Chakras]

Ok So DB has a different opinion than you do on Vaccines. DB has an ego. DB calls himself 'eagle' of whatever. DB filed for bankruptcy at some point.

Therefore, everything he said is a complete and utter lie right? Well, I personally think there are more possibilities worth considering.

Ok, so the alternative story is this:

1) DB initial interview was mainly factual based on his actual experiences.

2) DB was chosen to work with Maji because he did indeed have some kind of connection to the Greys. Whether or not you want to believe it, hybrids are very real and there is weird stuff going on when they abduct people. Piecing together DB story, it does sound like at some point as a youngster he was abducted and something occurred that gave him a connection to the greys. I haven't read his interview in a long time, I don't remember the exact details here.

3) He, like many other scientist in our world, was involved in some of the many many many projects going on underground right now. It doesn't sound like DB was by any means a top dog, much more likely a very compartmentalized asset that was used from time to time for various projects.

4) One of their uses for DB was to communicate with this JRod fella because JRod felt more comfortable communicating with DB since whatever had happened in the abduction scenario as a youngster had brought forth some kind of connection here. This is not unreasonable, and it's similar to Matilda O'Donnell's story Matilda O'Donnell's Alien Interview for that story: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11323 It makes sense that the Greys want to communicate to someone they have some trust with rather than military personnel who obviously see no value in their life. They would look for someone with a good heart, and someone that there is a connection with. In this case, there was a connection because of whatever happened with DB as a youngster. This turned out to be a smart move for JRod as Dan did eventually help him out of there. The cosmic opportunity presented itself and in the movie of earth, which is much more exciting than joe public believes, got to play his exciting part for that time and help JRod home.

5) Note, that whatever happened with DB as a youngster is why Maji got him involved as an asset in the first place. They DID NOT get him involved because he is so sophisticated or such a genius or whatever.

6) As with all 'whistle blowers' DB has been given access to one very compartmentalized piece of the puzzle. He's never had any communication or knowledge of aliens other than Greys, had action underground limited to a couple of D.U.M.B.s, certainly not a large network. He doesn't understand spiritual truth moreso than most on this forum. He doesn't have all the answers, but he does have some incredibly interesting experiences that were worth sharing.

7) It is cosmic law that what is hidden must be revealed in some way shape or form. What is done in secret must be revealed to the people to a certain degree or the karmic load would be too great for those who do things in secret to bear. Generally this is done in such a way that very very few will actually catch on to the hint, but the case can be made the truth was revealed and the hint was there.

8) If you know it's time you had to share some of the information about certain compartmentalized activities, would you maybe consider using one of your assets who a) there's no hard proof that he worked with you b) is flawed in ego kind of ways, in fairness as most human beings are! therefore only highly discerning researchers have any hope of finding and believing his stuff. Most want to have some kind of perfect news reporter person who is hardly human serve them up truth on a plate. That's the entertainment industry for you, but it's not reality. DB, with all his human flaws, is reality.

9) DB goes out and tells you his experiences. Some people listen, DB is drawn into his own ego where it's all about his little group and his ideas and he's got the answers. Now this is obviously not true. DB has experiences worth sharing and may still get some info from time to time from the inside, but DB has many illusions, including illusions of grandeur, like the rest of us and those who blindly follow him as some kind of a guru are indeed headed for the ditch.

10) Because DB is imperfect, doesn't mean his original story, which makes PERFECT sense as a puzzle piece in the grand puzzle of truth as long as you're willing to break through your pre-conceived notions of what can and cannot exist.

11) Whistle blowers have egos. They also have experiences that are worth sharing. Their experiences doesn't make them superior to anyone else regardless of whether others mistakenly think it does or whether they themselves mistakenly think that they do.

12) On this very forum, occasionally people attack each other verbally and may not coming off looking great to others who don't appreciate that kind of communication. We are imperfect. Dan Burisch is imperfect. I don't judge all of someone's thoughts, experiences and beliefs by whether they are perfect and right about everything, that would be ridiculous.

13) It is a fact, that as soon as someone steps onto the main stage and are revealing sensitive information, they will face psychic opposition. There are competing elites and differing agendas, and they do indeed have their psychic attack dogs ready to pounce wherever their could be a leak in their matrix. It is also a fact that whistleblowers and all others can protect themselves by working with Archangel Michael, but how many of them know that or do that? (almost zero right?). Psychic opposition can easily drag someone down into ego traps that really destroy their outer appearance and much of their work. In DB's place, it's not unlikely that he is facing opposition and it is dragging him down into the weird world of eagle ego...

That is a bit more rambling like than usual for one of my post, but I am standing here and letting you know, that my discernment tells me that DB's initial interview, however imperfect that he is, should not be discounted so lightly by those who are truly seeking the truth.

There are actually many cosmic lessons in the Grey story that DB has let us in on and I'm looking forward to digging into those at some point...

DB has opened the door on a lot of stuff, one or two pieces in the puzzle, and when you add in many other whistleblower materials the big picture of what's really happening in our world starts to come into focus... truth is indeed much stranger than fiction, where do you think fiction comes from?

[tone3jaguar]

If you look back at all of my posts in the past about Dan Burisch, before this thread, I was supportive of the stories he told. I was even still supportive of the stories he told and the line he was taking on Vaccines even after listening to the audio of the Amsterdam Conference where he voiced his opinion. At that point I had never made any attempt to research the dangers of Vaccines on my own. I had no frame or reference to weather he was right or if the audience was right.

Then I happened across the first set of videos that I posted in this thread. I began to realize that there was not really any valid opinion in favor of PTB sponsored vaccines. Seeing as how easily I came across that information and that it only took me about 5-10 min. of searching on Youtube to find it, I began to wonder how such a well versed scientist in the field of microbiology could not be aware that injecting people with toxic levels of Mercury would be harmful. Then after about another 5-10 min of using the You Tube search engine I found the other videos that I have posted in this thread.

Still at this point I had not formed any definate conclusions in my mind about Burisch because he had yet to come back to us with his conclusions about the dangers of vaccines. I thought that for sure after it had only taken me a grand total of about 25 min. to find all the documented data that one needs to know to determine if vaccines have dangerous compounds or not, that surely an intelligent "scientist" like Burisch would easily come to the same conclusions.

Burisch had said when he left the conference that he was going to do research to find out once and for all if the concerns of the masses where justified scientifically or not. He supposedly went and did extensive research and came back with the conclusion that vaccines had never been used to harm the recipients of them and that if Project Camelot would continue to insist that they were dangerous that he could no longer be involved with PC. He did research on a level far more extensive than the lengths I went to in order to discover the truth and his conclusion is that injecting your blood stream with among other things Mercury has never been proven to have any harmful effects?

At this point after I read his conclusions I knew I had been had, and that the only way he could be saying this is if he was being instructed to. I even stated earlier in this thread that

Post #4 by Tone3jaguar

Who knows, just like any good and highly trained disinformation agent he has mixed the truth in with the lies. We will never know which was which. They do this to trick the individuals watching who have clear intuitive discernment. The truth parts turn up the antenna of the viewer, then the disinfo parts get integrated into that vibe. Not very complicated. I actually think that the stuff he said about the grays and the looking glass may have been true. However, that information had absolutely no logistical value to any of us.

This thread is not about everything that Dan Burisch has ever said being true or not. It is about the in your face deception that he attempted to shove down my throat and all of yours believing that it would work because people had decided to start trusting him. It is not a matter of opinion as to weather the ingredient load in the vaccines is dangerous or not. It is scientifically proven to be dangerous and has been for a long time. Even the dumbest of scientists on their worst day could easily see this by reviewing the video and also written evidence in the numerous thesis style books that have been written on it.

Thank god my sister and brother in law already knew about the Mercury in the vaccines 3 years ago before my niece was born or else she might be mentally disabled instead of bright and intelligent. The only reason they knew when I was oblivious to it was because he ran a Chelation Therapy Clinic and had been well versed in all the possible sources of heavy metals for quite some time.

This thread was not an attack on anyone. It was retaliation for the war that the PTB started long ago when they began maming women and children for the sake of control and status. If Dan Burisch did not want to get caught up in the line of fire then he should have conducted himself in a more ethical manner. Tough s--t for Dan Burisch and anyone else that tries to feed me information that is designed to endanger my health. If he can't take the heat then he should get out of the fire, oh wait he already did. Boo, Hoo, Hoo

[14 Chakras]

P.S. As a quick follow up, whether or not we believe anything DB has said is far less important than the way we choose to interact with each other and deal with truth in general. It's not about 'us vs. them' and deciding who and what is good and bad. It's about working on ourselves and using every opportunity, including our interactions with each other, to come from a more loving place rather than a dualistic one... it's about taking the middle road rather than getting into dualistic arguments, things are not black and white. Unconditional love is what will save the earth, being right or wrong in arguments won't get us very far..

Unconditional love to all of you, and DB.

[tone3jaguar]

Deciding who and what is good and bad is what the truth movement is all about. Camelot is at the forefront of the truth movement and this is the Camelot General Discussion. Therefore, I am going to respectfully agree to disagree with you on that one

[14 Chakras]

Well, the fact is that many many many respected scientist, in fact the VAST majority of the medical community and respected medical professionals in our world, believe vaccines are helpful and not harmful. Every single child that is born in North America is vaccinated soon after they are born.

Do you really think that doctors would go along with this if they believed vaccines are dangerous?

So DB shares the opinion of the VAST majority of respected medical professionals and scientist on the planet.

We here in the 'truth' community see things very differently than the world in general. DB is not necessarilly a suspicious truth seeker like you are. He worked for Maji. He is much more bought into the things they are doing than you are. He doesn't see the deception as much. His experiences are hyper interesting and worth hearing, his opinions on the other hand, are not necessarilly!!!

You are here Tone because you are a truth seeker. Most of us are here because of that. DB would most likely not be involved in the truth seeking community if not for his background of employment and ET contact. He doesn't necessarilly understand the nefarious forces behind the Powers that Be and that is where there is a disconnect.

His testimony is incredibly valuable for those who are looking for the big picture, however, he himself doesn't get the big picture. Obviously, he doesn't get the agenda behind vaccines or H1N1 either, but these things have nothing whatsoever to do with his career or exposures on greys and looking glasses.

Again though, vaccines are part of a much larger picture, everyone already gets vaccinated period. Yet we're still here having this chat, so they're not exactly pure death. Certainly it's possible that H1N1 vaccines could be more harmful than usual, but there is so much awareness around this that I very much doubt that they could sneak too much negative stuff in there without people testing it and finding out exactly what's in there.. so I personally don't think, at this point that the H1N1 vaccine, will necessarilly be so much more harmful than the other many many vaccines that are already out there and being given to billions of people.

My point is, it's not fair nor logical to discredit someones entire testimony and history on an unrelated point where you share a different viewpoint.

[tone3jaguar]

The doctors have tunnel vision and do not have the advantage of ever having been shown a paradigm outside of the main stream. The fact is that before vaccines ever started back in the early 1900's no one had ever heard of autism because no one had it. Then in the early 80's they where giving babies 12 shots loaded with Mercury which resulted in 1 in every 2500 children having autism. Now they give babies 24 shots with mercury in them that amounts to 400x the safe level of mercury as mandated by the FDA. This I discovered after doing 25 min total of video research. There is not debate, it is black and white. If Dr. Burisch really is a scientist, you could say that he is so far out side of the box that the tunnel vision of main stream medicine would not even be something he is aware of which would make him uncovering the truth even easier than it would be for a main stream doctor.

He claims he worked for Majestic, where is the proof? They listed him as a prison guard and security guard at a casino as a cover? He declared bankruptcy because he could not pay back the student loans after his way through school was paid for by his keepers?

His daughter was secretly made part of a treaty deal with future mutant humans and he had to give up custody of her so that they would not be allowed to take her back to the future and use her as a genetic blueprint? I seem to remember that story from somewhere else. Oh thats right, Fox Maulders Black Ops dad was responsible for the disappearance of Foxes sister because of some sort of deal that he struck.

[franciejones]

Not worth it...too much big brother and sleeping going on here

[franciejones]

Not worth it

[14 Chakras]

Deciding who is 'good' and who is 'bad' is something I don't agree is the path to enlightenment.

We see through a glass darkly here. There is truth found everywhere, but illusions also found everywhere. The path is one of mastering our discernment, we are working towards Christ discernment which is where we can see and hear what is real and what is unreal.

When we expect a person either has only truth or only lies, then we are assuming things are very black and white, and that's not reality.

I'm certainly not here saying everything DB says is true, and it's not even so much about DB, but it is about whether or not it's a good approach to judge people and their work and put them in categories of good or bad. I don't agree with this. Personally, my discernment has led me to continue to believe that some of the info that DB revealed is ground breaking and very interesting.

In fairness, there are disinfo agents, and there are mind controlled disinfo agents, I believe that is true. It is also a good idea to share our discernment on individuals. I'm sharing my discernment in this case. It obviously differs from some others, and that's a good thing, because if you only get one viewpoint, then you're missing a big part of the spectrum of possibilities.

I don't think vaccines are a good thing. I also don't think because someone is a microbiologist they can go back to some lab and prove that they are harmful. Vaccines are so effective for the PTB because it is thus far almost impossible to conclusively prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are harmful. Feel free to take whatever study you can find to your local doctor or microbiologist or scientist and I'm guessing, if they bother to investigate, you will be presented with 5 studies for everyone that you show them that show that vaccines are safe.

I'm not saying those studies aren't skewed, but I am saying it's very difficult and possibly impossible to conclusively prove, at this point, that vaccines are harmful beyond any shadow of a doubt, even for a microbiologist.

At some stages on the search we may need to be very black and white about things, but I believe we must keep climbing from there where we can hear truth even when it comes from very unexpected sources. If the messenger is an ant, heed him.

Peace!

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Well, the fact is that many many many respected scientist, in fact the VAST majority of the medical community and respected medical professionals in our world, believe vaccines are helpful and not harmful. Every single child that is born in North America is vaccinated soon after they are born.

Fact, you can avoid getting vaccinated or having your children vaccinated in all 50 states by declaring a religious objection to doing so. I did this at the health department for my children and received a nice blue form that I turned into any day cares and public schools. I never had a problem doing so. They lie to people by saying that you can't send your children to day cares or public schools if they are not vaccinated. SO, every child IS NOT vaccinated in North America.

Do you really think that doctors would go along with this if they believed vaccines are dangerous?

Yes I do as it was just proven that doctors get paid bonuses in the UK if they get 75% of children vaccinated and a bigger bonus if it is above 90%. Guess what? They have upped the vaccination rate! So, yes they will work harder to get the lil tykes vaccinated for money.

Another fact is that nurses and doctors get about 30 minutes to an hours instruction on the validity of vaccinations. That's their research time in medical school. Guess who gives the class? Usually a "scientist" from the pharm company. So, guess now if they are given an unbiased factual based lecture. Here is another bit of facts for you. Any research doctor who dares to do a double blind study or study of any kind into the dangers of vaccines loses their funding. Guess how many double blind studies have been done by American scientists here in America as to the danger of vaccines. As of my last count, none! Italy has actual medical scientists who have done the studies and have proven the dangers of the MMR, Rubella vaccines and their direct tie to Autism and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. The UK even quit vaccinated children under 2 yrs at one point based on the SIDS research, and their SIDS rate dropped dramatically. Vaccines in babies can cause encephalitis (swelling of the brain) and thereby kill the child.

I have studied the issue of vaccines in depth since 1991 and have more factual study time than the average doctor or nurse by hundreds of hours. Yet, because I am not a doctor or nurse they take a knee jerk reaction that I am a kook and don't know a thing. I have even lost doctors for my children due to refusing to let them brow beat me into vaccinating them. They love to treat you like you are an idiot and endangering your child for such decisions, but I have not backed down. Sadly, my ex got them vaccinated a couple of years ago, and now I have to take measures to get the poisons out of their systems, but I got them all over the age of 8 before this happened, and for that I think I avoided much brain damage.

Yes, many are damaged and killed by vaccines. The diseases that are targeted by vaccines were already on the decline in N. America before the vaccines were made. They still vaccinate for Polio despite Salk requesting the vaccine be discontinued in N. America as every case here was directly linked to the vaccine after the 1980's. The rise in autism, ADHD, mental slowness has increased dramatically from 40 years ago. Many parents know something happened to their child, but can't figure out what happened. Many need to mourn the loss of the child that would have been, and move on with the child they have. I do believe if we get these poisons out of our children we an greatly improve their mental acuity.

So DB shares the opinion of the VAST majority of respected medical professionals and scientist on the planet.

Yes, that is true, but they also once believed leeching was the cure for everything and that there was no such thing as microbes. Once the truth was discovered they grew and took precautions when treating patients. The truth is out there about what's in vaccines and the outcome on immune systems and intelligence of those receiving vaccines, so why do they keep it up? Maybe because there is a reason to dumb down our kids, turn them into order obeying, non-thinking slaves.

Again though, vaccines are part of a much larger picture, everyone already gets vaccinated period. Yet we're still here having this chat, so they're not exactly pure death. Certainly it's possible that H1N1 vaccines could be more harmful than usual, but there is so much awareness around this that I very much doubt that they could sneak too much negative stuff in there without people testing it and finding out exactly what's in there.. so I personally don't think, at this point that the H1N1 vaccine, will necessarilly be so much more harmful than the other many many vaccines that are already out there and being given to billions of people.

You are assuming anyone in America does test those vaccines. Again, you can get out of being vaccinated if you take the right steps. Going from a strong healthy person to someone who is bedridden, mentally disabled, crippled is very devastating and for many of those people they wish they had just died. Just ask those in the military who are guinea pigs and end up a shell of who they once were. I don't think the H1N1 vaccine will cause a mass die off. I think it will make those with the genetic marker to the H1N1 ready to be infected when it is unleashed on the population. It's there to give them one flag to activate the full swine flu once they encounter it. I do think there is a definite agenda to kill off blacks and Hispanics. The American population could be targeted due to the whole independence viewpoint and why bother fighting us in the streets if they can just make us sick and die from a flu that they can say, "We warned you, but you didn't listen and didn't take the vaccine".

All in all, this is planned, and they see the whole chess board while we get to see see pieces and areas, but not the whole layout. No need to fear, but knowledge allows me to feel peace, and know more to make choices and respond to situations and not simply react like a sheep about to be slaughtered (easy to herd and kill).

[14 Chakras]

Unified Serenity, thanks for some of the info there, I'm not totally on the up and up about the laws around vaccines and such..

My personal feeling about the DB thing is that he is not part of this forum or community, vaccines has never been an issue for him, as Tone says, before Tone bothered to research them recently he thought they were fine.

I think DB was in the category of those who thought they were fine. He was blindsided by this question about vaccines at the conference, had really no ideas of the negative effects, and basically said he thought they were fine. Then he said he would do some research to confirm.

Now the fact is DB has an ego thing going on. He publicly states they are fine. So when he goes and does research, do you think he is going to seek out information that validates or dis-validates his public statement? It's exactly the same as when you take this info to a scientist or a doctor, they are going to look for info that makes vaccines appear safe to validate their own ego and opinion. It's EASY to find stuff that does validate vaccines and that's what DB finds and states.

Now in large part because he did that, everything he's said is getting written off, even though none of his work had anything to do with vaccines and he probably shouldn't have even been asked about them because he is not some kind of guru who knows stuff out of his line of experience. He doesn't.

I don't have answers for the student loan stuff but 15K loan for a PHD is like one or two semesters, not a whole education. Obviously he wasn't full time with Magi and if he says he was full time, that's a hole in his story that he'll need to explain.

Personally, I think DB probably spruced up his resume even to himself to appear better to himself and others. It doesn't mean Maji stuff never occured. That's my opinion.

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

The way it works however, is that diseases exist in the first place due to karmic misuse of energy by the people. They are wake up calls for people to change their way of being. When you fix things from a material perspective, the karma that created the disease, now needs to express itself in another way. That's the door the PTB have to put some mercury into these things and whatever else to get people with the backdoor. Whenever you solve something with a strictly material solution rather than solving the consciousness problem that is creating the karma that expresses itself as the problem in the first place, then you are always going to have a backside to the solution that is going to cause another problem in another way. That's cosmic law.

Basically, you can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem in the first place.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

This is a big lie we have been force fed.
Virus pandemics self limit and then extinguish.
Polio was in a huge decline before the vaccine.
And there's a lot more to that story ...

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/polio_chart.htm

[Karen]

We have been lied to about the savior effect of vaccines.

Pertussus (whooping cough)
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/pertussis.htm
Again notice the decline of 80% before the vaccine was introduced.

Measles
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/measles_chart.htm

[Unified Serenity]

Karen, this is exactly why I have zero trust in the AMA and Pharm companies. Vaccines do not save us, but they do compromise our immune systems and nervous systems. Look at the skyrocketing diseases that have appeared in the past 45 years.

Look at the cost in lost human potential and the ability to think for ourselves. It's all about money and power, and anyone who plays along with them is carrying a heavy load for what they have done. Is DB evil? I don't think so, but I do think he is wrong on vaccines.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Yes I do as it was just proven that doctors get paid bonuses in the UK if they get 75% of children vaccinated and a bigger bonus if it is above 90%. Guess what? They have upped the vaccination rate! So, yes they will work harder to get the lil tykes vaccinated for money.

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I was a Zurich and my intuition was flashing in my head "BS" throughout the whole 2 hour DB discussion on Friday especially when she started talking about CO2 and global warming. And then to steer the whole discussion in the group talk about vacines I feel I wasted ~4 hours of my life. I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

[Hiram]

DB insistence on control of information is unsettling. When teamed up together DB and MB behave in a strange way, so it does not surprise me that people BullS*#t detectors were going off.

My opinion is that he has had some genuine experience, but that fascinatingly enough, he and MB continue to manufacture their new interactions for notoriety.

I know this is a bold claim, and I used to really entertain all that he said. I just find it so unlikely that this person seems to be personally involved in almost any UFO related topic you can bring up...and all the Gordon Novel stuff....what is the point of that? What are you trying to prove?

It takes a lot for me to say things like this because I strongly believe in giving everyone a fair chance to tell their story.

I encourage everyone here to use their best discernment when listening to these witnesses.

Perhaps I am feeling him out incorrectly?

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

I guess I am kind of glad I don't have the money to waste on a trip like that. I would love to go to LA to one of Kerry's events, but then again it costs some to travel from FL to LA. I would value the opportunity to meet others face to face and share information as I do believe that some people will share more that way than online where there is a permanent record so to speak. Yes, I agree in hearing people out, but keep one's radar operating at top speed as there are quite a few who like to dress things up beyond their real experiences.

I'd love to have a conference in the South East US for those of us willing to attend and give of our time, but not wishing to spend thousands to do so. Then again, that's sort of what ground crews are for, and it would be great to have one near me. So far not much luck on the requests I have made for local or regional contacts. Hmmm, maybe it's me, lol. C'est la vie!

[tone3jaguar]

I could not resist, I know this is beating the dead horse with a slege hammer. I just visited the Eagles Disobey wanna-be web site and found that Dan Burish is backing up his rediculousness with a topping of ludicrous.

There is so much B.S. up there on his web site that I do not even know where to start. Oh I know I will start with how he has decided to bash his “friend” David Wilcock. I made the call back when Burisch came out with his researched conclusions that injecting Merucury, Ether, Aluminum and what ever else is in a vaccination that his trip to never never land was going to come back to haunt David Wilcock. To be clear I like David, and that is why this is so ludicrous. I think Dan is off of his meds.

From the Eagles Disobey Web Page

DW has an interesting way to view it......most people observed Dan diffuse the problem in Zurich hat had been set up as a staged event*- a problem primed and ready to go the moment that the vaccine question was brought up.* This is the same guy that tells people how to achieve ascention, and ladles out the pablum on stage, while privately calling women "ho's with crack babies.... (his quote from email "we still need to settle our account for the conference fee as well, and I really don’t want to send bank account info by electronic means other than a fax machine, as I wrote Rxxx... so let’s expedite that process as I’ve got to feed my eight crack babies from these eight different ho’s........."**
*This was right on the heels of the Barcelona conference ending and certainly sounds like he's been waiting a while waiting for pay. The Barcelona conference was NOT a Proj. "C" conference, but the Zurich conferencewas, and that has been established in their own advertisements, prior to an apparent attempt by them to 'cover up' such a relationship.*
He was paid, but not the Eagles. Oh, yea..... that's right, the Eagles feed the homeless. That took care of that.*
........ and then defines himself as a "chicken****".

Then there are the delusions about Bill Ryan

*

But what really happened in Zurich?**
And what happened after the incident?

What prompted the conference organizer to later write Dan*saying: "If you do not trust me for any reason, then all is lost."*
What is lost? Their sacrificial lamb?** Well, we've got news for them, the Eagles are not going to be served up on the 'half-shell' for them, or for anybody else.*

Imagine (given the clever maneuvering of the vaccine question into the panel discussion, and the publicity generating firestorm it created) ....* imagine what the Eagles would have been walking into if they were*still*willing to go to the L.A. conference?**

No....*The answer is*Absolutely No.**What do they think - that*the Eagles went through all those*years of education and managed to survive the hard crucible of experience with*Majestic, without being able to recognize a*bungled*attempt to manipulate public opinion*at their expense?* Publicity at any price,*is that it?* The Eagles have sharp eyes - they get it - theconference organizers*don't care if they endanger their guest-speakers, as long as they get a few more dollars at the gate?**Right?

No, Wrong.***

Then there is the conspiracy he has invented about where Camelot gets its funding

WHO'S YOUR DADDY?* Everybody is asking the question:* Where does* Proj "C" get the money to jet all over the world.*Donations? (sure...... or is it something else?) To read the expose,

Then you click on the link and you get this

Exposee on Zurich Part 2

Who's Your Daddy????*


WE KNOW.*
http://www.projectcamelot.org/*
"9 August 2009 •**

"*"COINTELPRO"*is the FBI acronym for a series of covert action programs directed against domestic groups. In these programs, the Bureau went beyond the collection of intelligence to secret action defined to "disrupt" and "neutralize" target groups and individuals. The techniques were adopted wholesale from wartime counterintelligence." -- the 1975 Church Committee
*Stan:** We are as you are more than likely well aware now in the throes of quasi covert U.S. Government funding of our gravity/TIME Control program and with the lead of some ten experimental power/propulsion design concepts being developed concurrently around our patent pending circular universal ARV plan form also being used IMHO to propel Majic's black reputed "Solar Warden" deep space triangles. We are also now into a preliminary cut and bend on this consortium developed program based on reverse engineering of the ARV plan form. We strictly do not intimidate as you are already well aware.*

We could have long ago taken an offensive posture against identified but innocent MJ targets of opportunity but that would have made a future diplomatic rapprochement with Majic impossible once the serious and dangerous to all tit for tat back and forth commenced.*

Grin and bear it was the decided policy which RP will tell you was my personal policy decision as I was obviously the primary target of Majic's disruptive*COINTELPRO*and PsyOps focused activities.*

Much of my intercepted aggressive vocal and e-mail posturing was only intended to deter such unnecessary dumb aggressions...*
Gordon Nxxxxxxxxx"

UNSTABLE OR HIDING SOMETHING?*

IS IT MORE LIKELY SOME DEEP DARK COINTELPRO*ON OUR SIDE, OR THAT SOMEONE'S FINGERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE COOKIE JAR?????????*

HERE IS WHAT WAS SENT TO EAGLES DISOBEY AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE:

He also now has a page where he “exposes” what really happened at Baxter Parmeceuticals where he justifies the avian flu contamination as human error.

"Okay...there has been some speculation about Baxter, and much of the truth about the real connection with Zurich is now posted in the Hideaway, by Stan. The great Zurich uprising about Baxter is nonexistent. It is true they made some errors, errors which I deplore, and the truth is...

Most of the truth of the matter can be found in WIKIPEDIA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International
http://www.answers.com/topic/baxter-international-inc

First of all, I am neither an apologist for Baxter, nor do I condone all their actions. I never said I did, but a few were busy being loud. Baxter is a greedy company with a serious record of quality control problems, and some poor management decisions. Those issues of greed are not something with which I am willing to really deal, as in parsing money deals for the public, save that no decision should compromise the public's health. When I say the public's health, I wonder if people know what I mean? I mean, where ever possible individually, but certainly never over the population. With all products, some adverse reactions occur, but the medical science we now have is the best we have! They, and even we, are trying to make it better.

[Tango]

This is for all of 'us' on the thread... we, could all say these words to DC...

L00KS like its goin into in this thread... So, I think its a fitting...



Just, imagine 'You' saying these words with ME standing right there next to you.

Trooly,


Tango