Personal attacks (conducted on this forum) - Page 2

THE eXchanger · 12-29-2009, 07:46 PM

dearest

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

and, read that line

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

they would NOT try to hurt you

in fact, you would likely NOT get their heat/or get bothered

you get their heat ~ to spark you iNto action

only a spark, can spark another spark !!!

you are cream,
and, cream riSes above milk,

take their attacks & their comments against you,
as, THE GREAT COMPLIMENT
that iT iS

and, know that as a truth

MOST WHO TRY TO SLING THEIR MUD
are NOT worthy of slinging anything back at them,
lets face it, what purpose would be found,
in slinging mud at dirt ???

They would NOT come to attack you
NOR, talk 'ill' of you, behind your back,
and/or, do iT right out iN the open
unless, they were scared of you,
you were a threat,
or, they wanted to put our your spark !!!

The spirited, the truly spirited, will see, that as a truth !!!

So, you can only be one thing to them,
the mud / or dirt slingers,
and, that would be,
in a nutshell, a threat !!!

Funny thing ~ a 'real' light worker iS NOT a threat to anyone

They are NOT even a threat, to themselves

Awakening, iS quite a process

There iS NO real path, JK, taught us that

however, there is a trail to be blazed

be a trail blazer !!!

Go through a board, like you 'mean' buSineSS

and, do it, getting your iNSide SnakeS riSing !!!

Those who work hard, to divide a team,
are NOT lightworkers,
or, spiritual gurus,
they are simply NOT that

iT takes a very strong person ~ to NOT to fight back

to NOT feed their fires, and, just keep doing what you are doing

Silence is a great weapon ~ in FACT iT iS the most powerful one of all

THE SECRET iS WiTHiN ~ the trick is to let it out !!!

There will always be those, who try to separate teams

Remember TRY is NOT a DO !!!

(EVER had anyone tell you, they would try to make a party ???)

Did they ever turn up, put in a showing ???

Likely NOT !!!

We say, support everyone, who is doing their best

to wake people up, and, create awareness !!!

iT iS those people ~ who hold the 'real' spirit

LETS FACE iT !!!

iT iS NOT easy to try to be candle

however, iT is, and, has always been

through all time, ancient times, and, right NOW TYMES

Those CANDLES, brave enough,
to help with the LiGHTiNG OTHER CANDLES
that others try to blow out,
do NOT be a candle,that goes out in 'ill' wind

instead , be a candle,
that will propels others,
and, help them to ignite, and,
and, hep them to reunite
in ways, that brings out the 'real' spirit 'within"
and, sets people on 'fire'
and, pushes them into 'desire'

those people ~ they are the 'rare' ones

and, NO DOUBT, the rare, are oft times singled out !!!

celebrate your rareness, and, what iS unique about you !!!

The real spirit has always been here,
it started with Bill, and, it started with Kerrie,
and, their united/and, unified force/and, power as a vision,
and, look what occurred...

iT iS as alive and, as well,
or, at least,
as well, as, we, and,
all the rest of the people,
choose to come together,
and, make iT ~ all it CAN be !!!

yup-iT iS happening in this NOW

best thing to do ~ iS always be a 'good' eXpression
and, by doing so~ YOU will always be seen, to do 'good' work

THE MAIN REASON many came here at thiS TYME iS:

to do their best work

and, to do it in groups

and, to do it, in ways

~ the dark falls away,

and, EVERYTHiNG TURNS BRiGHT !!!

"To be rare, and, well_done at the same time
--is to express yourself, with integrity,
in the highest eXpression of truth, which is LOVE"

TRUTH is, always the highest eXpression of LOVE !!!

The other types of action, against us,
attacks, crude or snide comments,
fit into the lowest order !!!

Make a resolution,
to NOT accept/or be accepting of that type of stuff,
as, THE TRUTH !!! ~ because iT iS NOT

DiG DEEP and, DiSCOVER THE TRUTH
about your own stuffing !!!
and, then dish that out to the world
as. The eXchanger, that you really are !!!

iF we all did that
... what a world of eXchangerS iT would be !!!

Remember ~~ 'WiLL" is "THE WAY" !!!

Gnosis5 · 12-29-2009, 08:48 PM

Another policy I have is to either not respond or to pick up the part of their post that does not spell it all out for me and ask for more clarity.

Gnosis

KathyT · 12-29-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brightest Light

i'm new here so maybe my opinion doesn't count.

but how can we find the truth if mean people can be mean?

what i mean is...

i got attacked on a forum a few years ago. the people were really mean and calling me names. i think they didn't like me.

so i had to leave that forum because the people there were so mean. the names they called me and the words they used really hurt me. i cried for a few weeks because it was traumatic. i found some healing frequencies that helped me and meditated a lot. after awhile i got strong again but how can i go back there now? they might do it again.

i don't want people to be mean to me.

Some people are so much more sensitive than others. I'm not speaking about you, because I don't know you, but sometimes people are so sensitive that they become weak.

We can not know what happened to you or why on another forum. I do not understand why you would cry for weeks. My suggestion is that you try using several usernames on several forums, that will allow you to practice at your communication, and then you will be able to not be quite so sensitive about what you say. After all, it is only a forum.

Yes, it is good to avoid being mean, however, in a democracy where free speach is protected, people should be able to discuss all sides of issues.

Céline · 12-29-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KathyT

Yes, it is good to avoid being mean, however, in a democracy where free speach is protected, people should be able to discuss all sides of issues.

In this house (forum) all may speak their mind...but meanness is NOT aloud.

Majorion · 12-29-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KathyT

people should be able to discuss all sides of issues

Hi Kathy,

Forgive me, I'm quite late catching on as I haven't fully read the thread.

My question is, and you seem to express a feeling of being suppressed, I'm just wondering what 'side' you are referring to, what side is not supposedly allowed to discuss things?

Peace

Majorion · 12-29-2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

got attacked on a forum a few years ago.

Well if its any comfort, you're certainly not the only one, everyone and anyone whose been on forums.

In fact I too had such experiences, and I don't mean just 'normal disagreement', technically more like outright harassment.

The solution? is if it gets to the a point where debate is no longer an option, and if the person(s) you're discussing with cannot address your points in a respectful manner like adults, then simple, "conversation over".

Many people are more concerned with the thrill of posting negative messages rather than actually productive discussion. And so, its very easy to tell when one is not really interested in healthy debate, and best solution is ignore.

Cheers

nameless · 12-30-2009, 01:44 PM

I think its up to the so called administrators to unfortunately "police" threads in the sense that posters should remain on topic. Name calling and direct rudeness is off topic so should be removed . A critique/break down and analysis of someones opinion which could possibly have a percieved "negative" connotation should remain if it is in context, pertinent and on topic. It's not up to admin to make moral judgements, rebuke or reinterpret opinion, it should purely be a mechanical "contextual topic" application.

Philosophy is the pleasure of argument/conversation.

We do so in the forum of words which allows us to maintain a dissasociation with the causality of the materiel, ie we are not physicaly fighting as a way of putting across idealogies.

sometimes namecalling and bad feeling communicated is an experience we all have shared perhaps in our past and sometimes lazily attributed to rites of passage or an initiatory step. Some of us have learnt from this and that we now end up with the conclusion that words can give us pleasure as well as pain but in all circumstances and wether good or bad are an invented control mechanism that we must control, lest it control us. Others have thus been lead to the conclusion that words are a disease of language thus was created such methods as "the cut up". Writing and words we all employ follow a structure or "rules of grammer" that we have all agreed to use, a common ground for us to play on. It is self policed purely because not to do so would mean an inability to communicate and would be self harming. Maybe we should allow people to express their inability the same way we allow people to express their so called "positive creativity". either way two sides of the same coin. If one is so easily effected by words in both a positive and negative context there is an inbalance, you become a wanton victim wallowing in the supressed love of self loathing, fear and may become mainpulated and hurt too easily and would be a person better suited to some other abstract medium such as maths, painting, or music.

micjer · 12-30-2009, 02:07 PM

Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more.

Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member.

The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw.

If you are not aware of what I am talking about you can click on the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

DOMINIC 777 · 12-30-2009, 02:35 PM

I totally agree with micjer on all of his points.......and the third point has to be looked at .
We must never stop the freedom of speech, never stop different ideas etc...
maybe we can start one thread where if a person totaly disenchanted politely put,(p........off......) ....writes into it...and the rest of us try to win them back round...called the "RED ROOM"..................that way they can get it off their chest
lol
dominc

Quote:

Originally Posted by micjer

Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more.

Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member.

The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw.

If you are not aware of what I talking about you can click on the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

Zeddo · 10-19-2009, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudra

...............................
If people who have undergone such cruelty and hardship can behave like this there is a lot we can learn in our daily human relations where the challenges we get are so much milder.
It takes great mastery of self to avoid a stimulus response based reaction ..to keep one's temper in check and to act with clarity of heart.
I understand some people are more of a " warrior " type . This is fine but then also I believe it should contained within the bounderies of a code of honor and decency towards our fellow human beings.
Arguments should not to started with the intention to kill each others head off but always been directed as bringing Light.

Love Always
mudra

I have to agree and this is what my post "Being at one" alludes to. I shan't say anymore.

Much LL&P

Z

morguana · 10-19-2009, 09:58 PM

is all i want to say
bou x

Gnosis5 · 12-29-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Wow.

I thought I'd just talk about something I do that makes it easier to respond to "hard" posts that may seem emotionally charged.

First, I just read the post and let my first impression guide me, I do not react, I just feel and write nothing. Then I reread the post and imagine that I'm the one who wrote it and use my own internal voice as the narration. I put my self in their shoes so to speak. Through doing this I have realized that nine times out of ten, the other person just wants their opinion to be respected... not to get into a fight.

If we state our opinions (as we should) keep in mind how it will be read by another reader, keep in mind that the person who writes a post feels strongly about what they are saying. Try to be that person for a few minutes so that you can understand where they are coming from...

Then respond. After all, we are all ONE.

I have no doubt that we will get it together and continue on in a way that is complimentary and respectful to ALL opinions without demeaning anyone. It is very important that we have the freedom to do so, and it is also very important that we do not abuse our freedom and thus retain an open and peaceful forum.

Peace of mind,
Wormhole

Good, I'm starting to do that more. Sometimes I get overly invested in my current viewpoint, but I upgrade my viewpoints so rapidly that I probably self-correct before anyone can take offense.

We are all going through a process here. Thank you moderators for being indulgent but firm.

Gnosis

12-29-2009, 07:46 PM	#1
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Personal attacks (conducted on this forum) dearest if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are and, read that line if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are they would NOT try to hurt you in fact, you would likely NOT get their heat/or get bothered you get their heat ~ to spark you iNto action only a spark, can spark another spark !!! you are cream, and, cream riSes above milk, take their attacks & their comments against you, as, THE GREAT COMPLIMENT that iT iS and, know that as a truth MOST WHO TRY TO SLING THEIR MUD are NOT worthy of slinging anything back at them, lets face it, what purpose would be found, in slinging mud at dirt ??? They would NOT come to attack you NOR, talk 'ill' of you, behind your back, and/or, do iT right out iN the open unless, they were scared of you, you were a threat, or, they wanted to put our your spark !!! The spirited, the truly spirited, will see, that as a truth !!! So, you can only be one thing to them, the mud / or dirt slingers, and, that would be, in a nutshell, a threat !!! Funny thing ~ a 'real' light worker iS NOT a threat to anyone They are NOT even a threat, to themselves Awakening, iS quite a process There iS NO real path, JK, taught us that however, there is a trail to be blazed be a trail blazer !!! Go through a board, like you 'mean' buSineSS and, do it, getting your iNSide SnakeS riSing !!! Those who work hard, to divide a team, are NOT lightworkers, or, spiritual gurus, they are simply NOT that iT takes a very strong person ~ to NOT to fight back to NOT feed their fires, and, just keep doing what you are doing Silence is a great weapon ~ in FACT iT iS the most powerful one of all THE SECRET iS WiTHiN ~ the trick is to let it out !!! There will always be those, who try to separate teams Remember TRY is NOT a DO !!! (EVER had anyone tell you, they would try to make a party ???) Did they ever turn up, put in a showing ??? Likely NOT !!! We say, support everyone, who is doing their best to wake people up, and, create awareness !!! iT iS those people ~ who hold the 'real' spirit LETS FACE iT !!! iT iS NOT easy to try to be candle however, iT is, and, has always been through all time, ancient times, and, right NOW TYMES Those CANDLES, brave enough, to help with the LiGHTiNG OTHER CANDLES that others try to blow out, do NOT be a candle,that goes out in 'ill' wind instead , be a candle, that will propels others, and, help them to ignite, and, and, hep them to reunite in ways, that brings out the 'real' spirit 'within" and, sets people on 'fire' and, pushes them into 'desire' those people ~ they are the 'rare' ones and, NO DOUBT, the rare, are oft times singled out !!! celebrate your rareness, and, what iS unique about you !!! The real spirit has always been here, it started with Bill, and, it started with Kerrie, and, their united/and, unified force/and, power as a vision, and, look what occurred... iT iS as alive and, as well, or, at least, as well, as, we, and, all the rest of the people, choose to come together, and, make iT ~ all it CAN be !!! yup-iT iS happening in this NOW best thing to do ~ iS always be a 'good' eXpression and, by doing so~ YOU will always be seen, to do 'good' work THE MAIN REASON many came here at thiS TYME iS: to do their best work and, to do it in groups and, to do it, in ways ~ the dark falls away, and, EVERYTHiNG TURNS BRiGHT !!! "To be rare, and, well_done at the same time --is to express yourself, with integrity, in the highest eXpression of truth, which is LOVE" TRUTH is, always the highest eXpression of LOVE !!! The other types of action, against us, attacks, crude or snide comments, fit into the lowest order !!! Make a resolution, to NOT accept/or be accepting of that type of stuff, as, THE TRUTH !!! ~ because iT iS NOT DiG DEEP and, DiSCOVER THE TRUTH about your own stuffing !!! and, then dish that out to the world as. The eXchanger, that you really are !!! iF we all did that ... what a world of eXchangerS iT would be !!! Remember ~~ 'WiLL" is "THE WAY" !!! Last edited by Karen; 12-31-2009 at 01:26 PM. Reason: faked quoted removed

12-29-2009, 08:48 PM	#2
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Personal attacks (conducted on this forum) Another policy I have is to either not respond or to pick up the part of their post that does not spell it all out for me and ask for more clarity. Gnosis Last edited by Karen; 12-31-2009 at 01:21 PM. Reason: remove faked quote

12-30-2009, 01:44 PM	#7
nameless Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 41	Re: Personal attacks (conducted on this forum) I think its up to the so called administrators to unfortunately "police" threads in the sense that posters should remain on topic. Name calling and direct rudeness is off topic so should be removed . A critique/break down and analysis of someones opinion which could possibly have a percieved "negative" connotation should remain if it is in context, pertinent and on topic. It's not up to admin to make moral judgements, rebuke or reinterpret opinion, it should purely be a mechanical "contextual topic" application. Philosophy is the pleasure of argument/conversation. We do so in the forum of words which allows us to maintain a dissasociation with the causality of the materiel, ie we are not physicaly fighting as a way of putting across idealogies. sometimes namecalling and bad feeling communicated is an experience we all have shared perhaps in our past and sometimes lazily attributed to rites of passage or an initiatory step. Some of us have learnt from this and that we now end up with the conclusion that words can give us pleasure as well as pain but in all circumstances and wether good or bad are an invented control mechanism that we must control, lest it control us. Others have thus been lead to the conclusion that words are a disease of language thus was created such methods as "the cut up". Writing and words we all employ follow a structure or "rules of grammer" that we have all agreed to use, a common ground for us to play on. It is self policed purely because not to do so would mean an inability to communicate and would be self harming. Maybe we should allow people to express their inability the same way we allow people to express their so called "positive creativity". either way two sides of the same coin. If one is so easily effected by words in both a positive and negative context there is an inbalance, you become a wanton victim wallowing in the supressed love of self loathing, fear and may become mainpulated and hurt too easily and would be a person better suited to some other abstract medium such as maths, painting, or music.

12-30-2009, 02:07 PM	#8
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Personal attacks (conducted on this forum) Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more. Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member. The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw. If you are not aware of what I am talking about you can click on the following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack Last edited by micjer; 12-30-2009 at 03:34 PM.

10-19-2009, 09:58 PM	#11
morguana Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: sussex, uk Posts: 1,137	Re: Personal attacks is all i want to say bou x __________________ better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace the way is not in the sky, the way is in the heart forum guidlines Avalon Chat